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(Talking Points Memo)   National Review slams RNC autopsy for failing to identify "the source of the GOP's recent electoral woes"   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 28
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2013-03-19 09:34:21 AM
14 votes:

Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.  they KNOW why they lost.  But they cannot actually admit to those reasons in public...not without setting off another civil war within the ranks.  they're trapped in a cage of their own making.  the evangelicals won't let them slide on moral issues, the corporate elite won't let them slide one penny on fiscal issues, and years of training their rank and file to believe that ANY compromise is a sign of weakness prevents them from brokering even an internal peace accord, let alone finding some way to make a deal with the Democrats.

the GOP is locked into it's current course.  I have no idea how they're going to get outta this one.


Their only option is to fark that chicken even harder.  Maybe the feathers will catch fire with all friction and a Phoenix will rise from the ashes and they can fark that instead for awhile
2013-03-19 09:24:00 AM
8 votes:
RNC autopsy - the anus was remarkable.
2013-03-19 09:40:20 AM
7 votes:
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Sam, this patient died because he was old, white, hated women, minorities and believed Reaganomics was feasible.
2013-03-19 10:48:37 AM
4 votes:
Clearly, the only solution is a groundbreaking idea so new that it hasn't been beta tested yet. What if we gave tax cuts -- are you still following me, here?-- what if we gave tax cuts...to the rich?
2013-03-19 09:05:45 AM
4 votes:

Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.


Yes, they are.
2013-03-19 11:50:55 AM
3 votes:

Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.  they KNOW why they lost.  But they cannot actually admit to those reasons in public...not without setting off another civil war within the ranks.  they're trapped in a cage of their own making.  the evangelicals won't let them slide on moral issues, the corporate elite won't let them slide one penny on fiscal issues, and years of training their rank and file to believe that ANY compromise is a sign of weakness prevents them from brokering even an internal peace accord, let alone finding some way to make a deal with the Democrats.

the GOP is locked into it's current course.  I have no idea how they're going to get outta this one.



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TEA-rell: The facts of life... to make a radical alteration in the evolvement of an American political party is fatal. A coding sequence cannot be revised once it's been established.
GOP Batty: Why not?
TEA-rell: Because by the second mid-term of incubation, any cells that have undergone TEA Party/Nativist reversion mutation give rise to revertant colonies, like rats leaving a sinking ship; then the ship... sinks.
GOP Batty: What about EMS-3 Moderate recombination?
TEA-rell: We've already tried it - Huntsman, Collins, Snowe, Lugar, Christie......; it created a virus so lethal the subject was dead before it even left the table.
GOP Batty: Then a RINO repressor protein that would block the operating cells.
TEA-rell: Wouldn't obstruct replication; but it does give rise to an error in replication, so that the newly formed DNA strand carries with it a TEA Party mutation - and you've got a virus again... but this, all of this is academic. You were made as well as we could make you.
GOP Batty: But not to last.
TEA-rell: The light that burns twice as bright burns for half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, GOP. Look at you: you're the Prodigal Son; you're quite a prize!
GOP Batty: I've done... questionable things for votes.
TEA-rell: Also extraordinary things; revel in your time.
GOP Batty: Nothing the God of Politics wouldn't let you into heaven for.
2013-03-19 10:01:41 AM
3 votes:

dr_blasto: We know their trickle-down bullshiat doesn't work,


WTF are you talking about. It works perfectly. Are the rich not getting richer?
2013-03-19 11:44:33 AM
2 votes:

gingerjet: I read the report.  I found it funny that it spends a lot of time into improving messaging to woman, minorities and young people.  Completely glossing over the fact that its the GOP policies that women, minorities and young people hate and not the fact the GOP is not doing proper outreach to those groups of people.


I know what will work a web site.  Young people love computers and we can have women's section done in pink telling them stuff about families and kids maybe a few jello recipes.  We can even translate a few pages into Spanish as outreach, the go part is that we will only translate stuff we think they will like.
2013-03-19 10:26:21 AM
2 votes:

GiantRex:  Now, tell me, is it likely that there are any voters (let alone the couple of million that would have been needed to sway the results) who voted for Obama because the GOP isn't conservative enough? What a crock of shiat.


I think their rationale is that these people didn't vote for Obama but instead sat out the election, that the GOP needs to twist the Derp dial to 11 to get more true conservatives to vote. The GOP won't change until they nominate a "true conservative" for the presidency and then watch him(her) get beaten like a Christopher Walken cowbell.
2013-03-19 09:35:08 AM
2 votes:

Weaver95: dr_blasto: Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.

Yes, they are.

no, they're not.  they are delusional, they are obstinate and they are arrogant.  But they aren't stupid.  think of the Republicans as being more the victims of a mental illness than being stupid.  they are driven by a set of goals that conflicts with the reality around them...but their mythology and shared delusions are internally consistent (for the most part).  the mental illness bit comes in when they choose to ignore inconvenient facts in favor of their echo chamber delusions.  if they were simply stupid we would be able to lie and trick them very easily.  As it stands, Obama and the Democrats aren't winning against the Republicans because they've out-thought the GOP...they're winning because the GOP's ideology is so extreme, so insane that the rest of the country wants nothing to do with it.  And because the Republican party is so insane, they simply are not capable of changing their approach.  that option simply does not exist for the Republican party.  they KNOW that they're losing.  they KNOW that their too extreme.  But they can't change their ideology any more than someone who's OCD could stop touching a door handle three times before opening it.  they know it's wrong, they KNOW it...but they can't help themselves.


So, more medication and Republicanism can be managed successfully?
2013-03-19 09:22:50 AM
2 votes:

somedude210: St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.

You're assuming that they actually think their cunning criticisms through all the way though


So they are criticizing the report's lazy shallow analysis by providing more lazy shallow analysis of their own. Whoaaa, that is so meta!
2013-03-21 12:06:07 AM
1 votes:
So first you surround yourself with people who are paid to tell you what you want to hear, and you lose the election.

Then you pay some other people to tell you the truth about what went wrong, and you tell everyone they are full of crap and ignore what they say.

BRILLIANT!
2013-03-19 03:09:21 PM
1 votes:

manimal2878: Philip Francis Queeg: manimal2878: Philip Francis Queeg: Do you think it's possible that you are over estimating the importance of the gun issue to the voters, in light of the fact that most of the proposals poll favorably with the public?

Depends on the proposals that make it through how important the gun issue will be.  It could end up not mattering at all.

What proposals do you think will make the public rise up en masse to vote Republican?

Don't know, don't care, en masse changes are not even relevant.   It would only come into play in a swing state where small numbers would matter.


There are no swing states in Congressional elections. But your deep concern about something you neither know or care about is noted.
2013-03-19 01:24:19 PM
1 votes:

manimal2878: Weaver95: manimal2878:

Stop being emotional scroll back up and actually read what I said.  You are acting like a farking tea-partier, only on the opposite end of the political spectrum building a strawman and getting all hot and bothered about it.

i'm being emotional?  scroll back up top this thread for a moment and reconsider what the article under discussion is supposed to be - it's about the GOP post mortum on the election losses and what they can do to fix their problem(s).  And what was your response to that article?  you changed the subject to gun control.  now why would you do that, I wonder?

My earlier point up thread was that the GOP (and those who support them) would change the subject to avoid discussing the reasons for the GOP election failures.  then you come along and what did you do?  changed the subject to a wedge issue.

Nice try at a dodge.   But answer my question, do certain democrats want to implement weapon bans and magazine restrictions or not?  You claimed that I was lied to about that, thus implying that I was stupid enough to believe GOP bullshiat.  Unless Feinstein is no longer a Democrat then I was not lied to.  I don't expect you will apologize for that though.

On the other hand you are right, this is a wedge issue.  And my point all along was that this time it is the Democrats that brought this particular wedge into the debate, thus, in my view helping out the GOP.


Actually, I'd say that it was Aurora, Newtown, Arizona and Chicago that made this an issue, but I get what you're saying.
2013-03-19 12:04:46 PM
1 votes:
It appears the GOP has chosen the way of pain.
2013-03-19 11:53:22 AM
1 votes:

Foundling: . (both parties) If somebody is not working, they need to show up at some government building prior to 8am. They will be training for a new job till noon. They will get a light lunch at noon. They will be pushing resumes and calling potential employers till 5pm.


Because history has proven there's nothing more effective than cold-calling.
2013-03-19 11:51:16 AM
1 votes:
Don't listen to those libby, lib libs as the RNC, Republicans!

STAY THE COURSE!

/You're winning.
2013-03-19 11:03:15 AM
1 votes:

DROxINxTHExWIND: Its all about being able to better fool the voters into voting against their self-interests.


Chuck Todd yesterday - "The GOP does not yet know whether it needs to improve the pizza or the box."

// looking like, for the first time, the GOP has a laser-like focus on the box
2013-03-19 11:00:27 AM
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.


I posted this story in another thread yesterday, but it is worth repeating..

Many years ago when I was a much younger man, I lusted after a beautiful Mexican girl that I worked with. She was super devout and fairly conservative.

I met her a bit before the 2000 elections and it surprised me that she was firmly in Gore's camp. I eventually asked her how she could vote for a democrat when I knew how conservative she was.

Her response was "The Republicans hate us". Enough said.

I never did get in her pants. Her crazy was a special kind of crazy.
2013-03-19 10:52:26 AM
1 votes:
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"Well, it can't be our parenting policies - we're awesome!"
2013-03-19 10:27:40 AM
1 votes:
"We can't tell you our conclusion, but it rhymes with 'Tree Core Funservative"
2013-03-19 09:51:23 AM
1 votes:
the GOP's main problem is that there aren't enough millionaires in the country. therefore they need the uneducated poors to vote for them as well. and to do that, they have to appeal to religion and race politics (ergo, the tea party). but as old tricorn-wearing, bible-thumping racists die off, even those two groups together aren't large enough to win national elections.

the only option is to change. but as weaver pointed out, they believe that change means weakness, so they're unlikely to do that. it's the scorpion and the frog.
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2013-03-19 09:41:26 AM
1 votes:
Now that we have had the autopsy, when is the burial?
2013-03-19 09:35:48 AM
1 votes:

mrshowrules: Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.  they KNOW why they lost.  But they cannot actually admit to those reasons in public...not without setting off another civil war within the ranks.  they're trapped in a cage of their own making.  the evangelicals won't let them slide on moral issues, the corporate elite won't let them slide one penny on fiscal issues, and years of training their rank and file to believe that ANY compromise is a sign of weakness prevents them from brokering even an internal peace accord, let alone finding some way to make a deal with the Democrats.

the GOP is locked into it's current course.  I have no idea how they're going to get outta this one.

Their only option is to fark that chicken even harder.  Maybe the feathers will catch fire with all friction and a Phoenix will rise from the ashes and they can fark that instead for awhile


Good god, that's farking hilarious.
2013-03-19 09:28:27 AM
1 votes:
Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.  they KNOW why they lost.  But they cannot actually admit to those reasons in public...not without setting off another civil war within the ranks.  they're trapped in a cage of their own making.  the evangelicals won't let them slide on moral issues, the corporate elite won't let them slide one penny on fiscal issues, and years of training their rank and file to believe that ANY compromise is a sign of weakness prevents them from brokering even an internal peace accord, let alone finding some way to make a deal with the Democrats.

that's probably the best, most succinct explanation of the state of the current GOP i've seen. this should be printed on cards and handed out at CPAC.
2013-03-19 09:13:02 AM
1 votes:

dr_blasto: Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.

Yes, they are.


no, they're not.  they are delusional, they are obstinate and they are arrogant.  But they aren't stupid.  think of the Republicans as being more the victims of a mental illness than being stupid.  they are driven by a set of goals that conflicts with the reality around them...but their mythology and shared delusions are internally consistent (for the most part).  the mental illness bit comes in when they choose to ignore inconvenient facts in favor of their echo chamber delusions.  if they were simply stupid we would be able to lie and trick them very easily.  As it stands, Obama and the Democrats aren't winning against the Republicans because they've out-thought the GOP...they're winning because the GOP's ideology is so extreme, so insane that the rest of the country wants nothing to do with it.  And because the Republican party is so insane, they simply are not capable of changing their approach.  that option simply does not exist for the Republican party.  they KNOW that they're losing.  they KNOW that their too extreme.  But they can't change their ideology any more than someone who's OCD could stop touching a door handle three times before opening it.  they know it's wrong, they KNOW it...but they can't help themselves.
2013-03-19 08:41:32 AM
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.


You're assuming that they actually think their cunning criticisms through all the way though
2013-03-19 08:22:37 AM
1 votes:
considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.
 
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