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2013-03-19 11:03:15 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: Its all about being able to better fool the voters into voting against their self-interests.


Chuck Todd yesterday - "The GOP does not yet know whether it needs to improve the pizza or the box."

// looking like, for the first time, the GOP has a laser-like focus on the box
 
2013-03-19 11:06:05 AM  

Dr Dreidel: DROxINxTHExWIND: Its all about being able to better fool the voters into voting against their self-interests.

Chuck Todd yesterday - "The GOP does not yet know whether it needs to improve the pizza or the box."

// looking like, for the first time, the GOP has a laser-like focus on the box


See comments about providing economic opportunity for women (while opposing the fair pay act and making statements like "men should be paid more they are the ones who support the family") need to polish that turd into something more attractive.
 
2013-03-19 11:07:43 AM  

Weaver95: dr_blasto: Stupid just seems to cover most of it the easiest.

I guess what i'm trying to say is - don't underestimate the Republicans.  if they ever get their shiat together, they can make life extremely difficult for the rest of us.


Yes, but this isn't 1994 or the Bush years. The well oiled message machine has been clogged with tea bags. Karl Rove the chess player has been burned at the stake. They aren't in a position to pull anything off except cutting our nose off to spite our face.
 
2013-03-19 11:09:48 AM  

Maud Dib: mrshowrules:

Their only option is to fark that chicken even harder.  Maybe the feathers will catch fire with all friction and a Phoenix will rise from the ashes and they can fark that instead for awhile

Why does it burn when I pee?


It means you are doing it right.
 
2013-03-19 11:12:37 AM  
So yeah, is there any doubt left that the GOP is going to experience a schism and we'll have a hard right third party running against them?
 
2013-03-19 11:12:54 AM  

St_Francis_P: Mentat: St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.

Or not.

Of course not every Hispanic falls neatly into a political box, but it's a fact that Bush had good success getting them to vote for him. And it's common sense that the hate from the GOP isn't going to encourage them to vote Republican. The alternative is to give up on a large and growing bloc of voters.


Which ignores the fact that at this moment, on a range of issues, Hispanics/Latinos are trending towards the liberal positions.
 
2013-03-19 11:13:19 AM  

Lackofname: Weaver95: dr_blasto: Stupid just seems to cover most of it the easiest.

I guess what i'm trying to say is - don't underestimate the Republicans.  if they ever get their shiat together, they can make life extremely difficult for the rest of us.

Yes, but this isn't 1994 or the Bush years. The well oiled message machine has been clogged with tea bags. Karl Rove the chess player has been burned at the stake. They aren't in a position to pull anything off except cutting our nose off to spite our face.


I'm gleeful about the problems they have, but I refuse to count my chickens before they hatch.

Karl Rove is still out there. True, many current tea baggers say they hate him, and he's useless but I'd still put money on him sticking around doing work in 2016. Hell, he might still even land a job doing commentary on election night!

The GOP is shameless with a chronic short term memory. I wouldn't underestimate them no matter how warm and fuzzy it would make me feel.
 
2013-03-19 11:16:09 AM  
Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration...

They're baby-killing, fascist, communist, atheistic Muslim terrorists looking for a handout?
 
2013-03-19 11:16:17 AM  

Mentat: St_Francis_P: Mentat: St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.

Or not.

Of course not every Hispanic falls neatly into a political box, but it's a fact that Bush had good success getting them to vote for him. And it's common sense that the hate from the GOP isn't going to encourage them to vote Republican. The alternative is to give up on a large and growing bloc of voters.

Which ignores the fact that at this moment, on a range of issues, Hispanics/Latinos are trending towards the liberal positions.


So, give up on them and walk away?
 
2013-03-19 11:16:28 AM  

Mentat: St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.

Or not.


From what I've read about 70% of US Hispanics identify themselves as Catholic. Not sure if that has drastically changed.
 
2013-03-19 11:19:13 AM  
Reagan brought in the social conservatives and for nearly two decades the financial leaders of the Republican Party was happy to pay lip service to them in order to get their votes. They did not actually care about any of their issues, because they have nothing to do with money - in fact many business leaders have pointed out that a lot of the social conservative policies COST money. But that was OK, because they had no intention of implementing any of them - they successfully convince social conservatives that "big business" was good for them, and got their votes.

The problem for them is that said social conservatives eventually got pissed off and started getting their own candidates elected during the 2000s/Bush years, and the party elites don't know what to do now. Said conservatives now want absolute adherence to their views from any and all candidates, and some of those views don't play well outside of their circles.

I look at the Portman thing - if you head to Townhall or Freep you'll see dozens of threads filled with hundreds or thousands of posts of people talking about how the gay issue is simply not negotiable, and they won't accept a candidate that compromises on it. Others openly wonder why an issue that affects such a small percentage of people is actually getting attention, and assume it's a conspiracy. They don't get that people can be in favor of fairness or equality for OTHERS and consider that as actually being important.

As long as the social conservatives are a huge focus, the party will be in trouble in national elections. Local and state elections, where the governor of a non-Bible State can profess neutrality on such, they do betterz
 
2013-03-19 11:22:31 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: The GOP isn't trying to figure out what went wrong with regards to their communication techniques or fine-tuning their message. Its not about figuring out social media or getting a better ground game. Its all about being able to better fool the voters into voting against their self-interests. Lets see, how can we call the blacks "freeloading n*&&ers" to increase our percentage of the white vote, while simultaneously appealing to the African-American bigots who hate gays? How can we simultaneously let the Hispanics know that they're all dirty illegal Mexicans to us, but they should vote for us because a lot of them are Catholic? How can we call a gay person a f*ggot who is leading the country down the path of moral decline while we tell people how inclusive we are? How can we call everyone who doesn't make $500k/yr a "taker" without getting caught on tape? How can we get the middle class to view the poor as the source of all their problems?


This was my earliest appearance:

mrshowrules         
2005-09-30 10:00:10 AM  
Feedthecollapse:
I was sure that gasoline had nothing to do with the air conditioning...?
I think running the AC compressor creates resistance on one of the belts which causes the engine to work harder using more gas. However, you can argue that driving the bus with the windows open creates more drag and therefore might use up even more gas. Myth Busters had a show on this but I forget the conclusion.
My Boobies ever by the way!


Yes, I was boobied in my Boobies.
 
2013-03-19 11:22:34 AM  
1. Look, everybody knows that the problem is that the GOP sat back and allowed Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of their precious bodily fluids. That's why they lost the election and they're just going to have to purge that shiat if they ever expect to get anywhere.

2. When I want to read an NRO editorial, TPM is always my go- to source.
 
2013-03-19 11:26:10 AM  
1. Focus on rewarding work (I do not mean an A+ for participation) and encouraging the success of businesses with less than 50 employees.

2. Quit telling Americans how to live. "Freedom" does not include the right to own people.

3. (both parties) If somebody is not working, they need to show up at some government building prior to 8am. They will be training for a new job till noon. They will get a light lunch at noon. They will be pushing resumes and calling potential employers till 5pm. At the end of the day they will get one day's worth of welfare. Conservatives don't  get to call anybody lazy. Fatso doesn't get to make fun of people on welfare at 11am anymore. Liberals can't say we're neglecting the poor. Employers don't get to create a worse work environment than this, because it's always there. When one of these offices gets ten unemployed people, they put their skills together to create a start-up company, so they're not dependent on employers that already exist.

If both parties hate me for these ideas, then good.
 
2013-03-19 11:28:07 AM  

Weaver95: dr_blasto: Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.

Yes, they are.

no, they're not.  they are delusional, they are obstinate and they are arrogant.  But they aren't stupid.  think of the Republicans as being more the victims of a mental illness than being stupid.  they are driven by a set of goals that conflicts with the reality around them...but their mythology and shared delusions are internally consistent (for the most part).  the mental illness bit comes in when they choose to ignore inconvenient facts in favor of their echo chamber delusions.  if they were simply stupid we would be able to lie and trick them very easily.  As it stands, Obama and the Democrats aren't winning against the Republicans because they've out-thought the GOP...they're winning because the GOP's ideology is so extreme, so insane that the rest of the country wants nothing to do with it.  And because the Republican party is so insane, they simply are not capable of changing their approach.  that option simply does not exist for the Republican party.  they KNOW that they're losing.  they KNOW that their too extreme.  But they can't change their ideology any more than someone who's OCD could stop touching a door handle three times before opening it.  they know it's wrong, they KNOW it...but they can't help themselves.


This. Some of the most brilliant people I've ever known are Republican. Everything is fine and dandy as long as you don't bring up politics or religion. It gets scary though when you dare to even mention Obamas name or even put the letters O and B close enough together to even make that sound that they turn into that fire-breathing hell beast devoid of all things logical. It really is an amazing sight to behold.
 
2013-03-19 11:28:24 AM  

St_Francis_P: Mentat: St_Francis_P: Mentat: St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.

Or not.

Of course not every Hispanic falls neatly into a political box, but it's a fact that Bush had good success getting them to vote for him. And it's common sense that the hate from the GOP isn't going to encourage them to vote Republican. The alternative is to give up on a large and growing bloc of voters.

Which ignores the fact that at this moment, on a range of issues, Hispanics/Latinos are trending towards the liberal positions.

So, give up on them and walk away?


Of course not.  Scare people about non-existent voter fraud so you can pass restrictive laws that primarily effect people who vote Democratic, and mess around with the Electoral College.
 
2013-03-19 11:29:44 AM  

Fart_Machine: Mentat: St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.

Or not.

From what I've read about 70% of US Hispanics identify themselves as Catholic. Not sure if that has drastically changed.


Which means they are pro-life and for social justice.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:20 AM  

Foundling: 1. Focus on rewarding work (I do not mean an A+ for participation) and encouraging the success of businesses with less than 50 employees.

2. Quit telling Americans how to live. "Freedom" does not include the right to own people.

3. (both parties) If somebody is not working, they need to show up at some government building prior to 8am. They will be training for a new job till noon. They will get a light lunch at noon. They will be pushing resumes and calling potential employers till 5pm. At the end of the day they will get one day's worth of welfare. Conservatives don't  get to call anybody lazy. Fatso doesn't get to make fun of people on welfare at 11am anymore. Liberals can't say we're neglecting the poor. Employers don't get to create a worse work environment than this, because it's always there. When one of these offices gets ten unemployed people, they put their skills together to create a start-up company, so they're not dependent on employers that already exist.

If both parties hate me for these ideas, then good.


There are some...problems with this list.

But you knew that.
 
2013-03-19 11:30:52 AM  
National Review Piece: In reality, selling the Republican party's appeal is more about the appeal than about the selling.

So, neither the National Review nor the RNC group are willing to flatly admit that the core problem is: "current GOP political policies as practiced suck for lots of people". (The RNC comes closer.) However, the core problem isn't the appeal or the selling -- it's the product. However, they're incapable of considering that most people rejecting GOP notions about what ought to be done might be a symptom that the GOP are in the political wrong.
 
2013-03-19 11:32:23 AM  
i.imgur.com


Belongs in all these threads
 
2013-03-19 11:34:49 AM  
considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

They are liberal in the same sense that Richard Lugar was a RINO.  The Republican party has gone so far to the right that Reagan is liberal by comparison.
 
2013-03-19 11:36:23 AM  
I read the report.  I found it funny that it spends a lot of time into improving messaging to woman, minorities and young people.  Completely glossing over the fact that its the GOP policies that women, minorities and young people hate and not the fact the GOP is not doing proper outreach to those groups of people.
 
2013-03-19 11:37:40 AM  

Gergesa: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

They are liberal in the same sense that Richard Lugar was a RINO.  The Republican party has gone so far to the right that Reagan is liberal by comparison.


Reagan...that's the guy that gave blanket amnesty to illegal aliens, right?

Yeah, RINO.
 
2013-03-19 11:39:07 AM  

Fart_Machine: Mentat: St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.

Or not.

From what I've read about 70% of US Hispanics identify themselves as Catholic. Not sure if that has drastically changed.


59% of American Catholics support same-sex marriage.  That's 1% higher than the country as a whole:  http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/poll-tracks-dramatic-ris e -in-support-for-gay-marriage/

American Catholics do not necessarily match the American/Vatican hierarchy or what the GOP likes to pin on them.
 
2013-03-19 11:44:02 AM  

Foundling: 3. (both parties) If somebody is not working, they need to show up at some government building prior to 8am. They will be training for a new job till noon.


This would require a substantial increase in government and higher taxes to implement, something that one party finds abhorrent.
 
2013-03-19 11:44:33 AM  

gingerjet: I read the report.  I found it funny that it spends a lot of time into improving messaging to woman, minorities and young people.  Completely glossing over the fact that its the GOP policies that women, minorities and young people hate and not the fact the GOP is not doing proper outreach to those groups of people.


I know what will work a web site.  Young people love computers and we can have women's section done in pink telling them stuff about families and kids maybe a few jello recipes.  We can even translate a few pages into Spanish as outreach, the go part is that we will only translate stuff we think they will like.
 
2013-03-19 11:44:41 AM  

Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.  they KNOW why they lost.  But they cannot actually admit to those reasons in public...not without setting off another civil war within the ranks.  they're trapped in a cage of their own making.  the evangelicals won't let them slide on moral issues, the corporate elite won't let them slide one penny on fiscal issues, and years of training their rank and file to believe that ANY compromise is a sign of weakness prevents them from brokering even an internal peace accord, let alone finding some way to make a deal with the Democrats.

the GOP is locked into it's current course.  I have no idea how they're going to get outta this one.


TAX CUTS!!!!
 
2013-03-19 11:49:35 AM  

Ishkur: Foundling: 3. (both parties) If somebody is not working, they need to show up at some government building prior to 8am. They will be training for a new job till noon.

This would require a substantial increase in government and higher taxes to implement, something that one party finds abhorrent.


No you just tell the people already working for the government that "You're lucky to have job" and increase their workload.  I'd guess you could stick five, maybe up to eight, of these people in each public classroom in the country and let the teachers help them in their free time.
 
2013-03-19 11:49:51 AM  

Generation_D: Weaver95: dr_blasto: Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.

Yes, they are.

no, they're not.  they are delusional, they are obstinate and they are arrogant.  But they aren't stupid.  think of the Republicans as being more the victims of a mental illness than being stupid.  they are driven by a set of goals that conflicts with the reality around them...but their mythology and shared delusions are internally consistent (for the most part).  the mental illness bit comes in when they choose to ignore inconvenient facts in favor of their echo chamber delusions.  if they were simply stupid we would be able to lie and trick them very easily.  As it stands, Obama and the Democrats aren't winning against the Republicans because they've out-thought the GOP...they're winning because the GOP's ideology is so extreme, so insane that the rest of the country wants nothing to do with it.  And because the Republican party is so insane, they simply are not capable of changing their approach.  that option simply does not exist for the Republican party.  they KNOW that they're losing.  they KNOW that their too extreme.  But they can't change their ideology any more than someone who's OCD could stop touching a door handle three times before opening it.  they know it's wrong, they KNOW it...but they can't help themselves.

So, more medication and Republicanism can be managed successfully?


I would suggest a full frontal lobotomy and electric shocks.
 
2013-03-19 11:50:40 AM  
newnation.sg
 
2013-03-19 11:50:55 AM  

Weaver95: look - the GOP isn't stupid.  they KNOW why they lost.  But they cannot actually admit to those reasons in public...not without setting off another civil war within the ranks.  they're trapped in a cage of their own making.  the evangelicals won't let them slide on moral issues, the corporate elite won't let them slide one penny on fiscal issues, and years of training their rank and file to believe that ANY compromise is a sign of weakness prevents them from brokering even an internal peace accord, let alone finding some way to make a deal with the Democrats.

the GOP is locked into it's current course.  I have no idea how they're going to get outta this one.



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TEA-rell: The facts of life... to make a radical alteration in the evolvement of an American political party is fatal. A coding sequence cannot be revised once it's been established.
GOP Batty: Why not?
TEA-rell: Because by the second mid-term of incubation, any cells that have undergone TEA Party/Nativist reversion mutation give rise to revertant colonies, like rats leaving a sinking ship; then the ship... sinks.
GOP Batty: What about EMS-3 Moderate recombination?
TEA-rell: We've already tried it - Huntsman, Collins, Snowe, Lugar, Christie......; it created a virus so lethal the subject was dead before it even left the table.
GOP Batty: Then a RINO repressor protein that would block the operating cells.
TEA-rell: Wouldn't obstruct replication; but it does give rise to an error in replication, so that the newly formed DNA strand carries with it a TEA Party mutation - and you've got a virus again... but this, all of this is academic. You were made as well as we could make you.
GOP Batty: But not to last.
TEA-rell: The light that burns twice as bright burns for half as long - and you have burned so very, very brightly, GOP. Look at you: you're the Prodigal Son; you're quite a prize!
GOP Batty: I've done... questionable things for votes.
TEA-rell: Also extraordinary things; revel in your time.
GOP Batty: Nothing the God of Politics wouldn't let you into heaven for.
 
2013-03-19 11:51:16 AM  
Don't listen to those libby, lib libs as the RNC, Republicans!

STAY THE COURSE!

/You're winning.
 
2013-03-19 11:51:23 AM  

markie_farkie: Here's your problem, GOP... The vast majority of your base identifies with, and worships this:

[cdn02.cdnwp.thefrisky.com image 600x450]


Point of order: You can get those in New York City. I can walk two blocks and get a farking 48-ounce Super Big Gulp for two bucks and change. 7-11 is exempt as a "grocery," and can sell huge sodas.

It doesn't make the law any less stupid, but like so many right-wing tropes it's based on an example that has absolutely no basis in reality.
 
2013-03-19 11:53:22 AM  

Foundling: . (both parties) If somebody is not working, they need to show up at some government building prior to 8am. They will be training for a new job till noon. They will get a light lunch at noon. They will be pushing resumes and calling potential employers till 5pm.


Because history has proven there's nothing more effective than cold-calling.
 
2013-03-19 11:53:39 AM  

EyeballKid: Clearly, the only solution is a groundbreaking idea so new that it hasn't been beta tested yet. What if we gave tax cuts -- are you still following me, here?-- what if we gave tax cuts...to the rich?


Paul Ryan agrees...

i.imgbox.com
 
2013-03-19 11:55:13 AM  

Gergesa: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

They are liberal in the same sense that Richard Lugar was a RINO.  The Republican party has gone so far to the right that Reagan is liberal by comparison.


Or people like my wife are now considered liberal and she is actually pretty conservative.

Except, she uses common sense. She really is anti-abortion but realizes that ship has sailed and the issue was settled 40 yeas ago. Plus, she realizes that people are going to get them no matter what so they may as well do it safely. I'm fairly sure she is for abstinence (of course, we farked like crazy before we were married) but also knows that kids need to know about birth control and protecting themselves.

And after the Rapey McRaperson comments during the last election cycle, she vowed to never vote for a Republican again.

And she thinks Sarah Palin is an idiot. So she has that going for her.
 
2013-03-19 11:55:23 AM  

Fizpez: No you just tell the people already working for the government that "You're lucky to have job" and increase their workload.


Silly Lib.  Government jobs aren't REAL jobs.
 
2013-03-19 11:56:20 AM  
From what I can see, the Republican's focus is controlling state governments.  The power that comes with that enables them to legally propose and pass legislation that disenfranchises potentially pro-Democrat voters.  Yes, the courts will intervene, but on balance I believe the Republicans will succeed.  They have learnt that no matter how nefarious the action, the news-cycle will move on in a few days.
 
2013-03-19 11:57:07 AM  
Is the solution something that rhymes with Snorlax Butts?
 
2013-03-19 11:58:22 AM  

Foundling: . (both parties) If somebody is not working, they need to show up at some government building prior to 8am. They will be training for a new job till noon. They will get a light lunch at noon. They will be pushing resumes and calling potential employers till 5pm. At the end of the day they will get one day's worth of welfare. Conservatives don't  get to call anybody lazy. Fatso doesn't get to make fun of people on welfare at 11am anymore. Liberals can't say we're neglecting the poor. Employers don't get to create a worse work environment than this, because it's always there. When one of these offices gets ten unemployed people, they put their skills together to create a start-up company, so they're not dependent on employers that already exist.


Why don't they, I don't know, do something actually productive that helps the economy like improving infrastructure and conservation?
 
2013-03-19 12:00:06 PM  

markie_farkie: Here's your problem, GOP... The vast majority of your base identifies with, and worships this:


i.imgur.com

My goodness.  It certainly looks like she's been sipping from a Big Derp.
 
2013-03-19 12:02:37 PM  
You know - if the GOP figures out a way to bring old dead people back to life they just might have a chance.  Seriously, I think that's a big part of their problem - the people who religiously vote "R" are dying.

That and the whole "we hate and seek to punish everyone who is not like us".....
 
2013-03-19 12:04:09 PM  
Heard it put best on NPR yesterday.

The GOP must rebrand itself or it will die.

The first rule of rebranding is don't let anyone know you're doing it.

If you listen closely to what they are saying, some things are very subtly changing. I think it's mostly disingenuous, but they are taking baby steps. The evangelicals are getting the shaft.

And that's a good thing.
 
2013-03-19 12:04:46 PM  
It appears the GOP has chosen the way of pain.
 
2013-03-19 12:05:42 PM  

Lumpmoose: Fart_Machine: Mentat: St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.

Or not.

From what I've read about 70% of US Hispanics identify themselves as Catholic. Not sure if that has drastically changed.

59% of American Catholics support same-sex marriage.  That's 1% higher than the country as a whole:  http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/poll-tracks-dramatic-ris e -in-support-for-gay-marriage/

American Catholics do not necessarily match the American/Vatican hierarchy or what the GOP likes to pin on them.


You know growing up Catholic, I don't identify myself as one now as I haven't been in a church in years, my parents and most of their friends where pretty liberal.  The abortion issue was a problem but not a deal breaker for many of them.  Other social issues and what not mattered more.  Most of my friends who still identify as Catholics are still pretty liberal for the most part, a few tea bagger but that is for other reasons. The upper hierarchy of the Church may tend GOP/conservative but the rank and file tend to more centrist/liberal.
 
2013-03-19 12:05:56 PM  

Weaver95: I have no idea how they're going to get outta this one.


They don't need to get out of it, the democrats will bail them out by pushing the gun issue.
 
2013-03-19 12:06:55 PM  
The GOP has two policies: tax cuts and shaming sluts.
 
2013-03-19 12:07:47 PM  
I will say this though.

If the National Review claims this postmortem "didn't offer a viable change of course", they are correct.

Moderation is the only viable course at this point, and anyone even slightly to the left of Mussolini is screamed at as a RINO and a leftist.
 
2013-03-19 12:10:45 PM  

Mentat: St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them.

Or not.


That was a very illuminating study/poll, however even though it notes that Latinos identify themselves as "Liberal" more than the general populace (30% versus 20% ish), and they are right in line with public acceptance of homosexuals, there's a serious anti-abortion and strong religious core to the group that can more than make up for that if the Republicans can use them as wedge issues. 51% of respondents against abortion is enough of an issue by itself if it's properly addressed, let alone the serious core of religious conservatives.

Let's hope that the GOP doesn't figure out how to make this a core issue to Latino voters next time.
 
2013-03-19 12:12:09 PM  

St_Francis_P: considering that Hispanics are often ideologically liberal for reasons beyond immigration.

And by "ideologically liberal" they mean staunchly anti-abortion conservative Catholics, who might vote conservative if Republicans didn't make it so plain that they hate them poor and brown.


And there you have the reasons why the GOP doesn't think they're possible to win over.
 
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  4. Click here to submit a link.

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