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(Pro Football Talk)   Tom Brady restructures contract: "What a great guy Tom Brady is". Megatron and Suh restructure contracts: "neither Johnson nor Suh is taking less money, their cap hits are just being pushed forward into the future"   (profootballtalk.nbcsports.com ) divider line
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2013-03-19 07:54:30 AM  
In other words, neither Johnson nor Suh is taking less money, and their cap hits are just being pushed forward into the future, meaning that $11 million bill will come due in future years.

If you think they're going to see all of that back-end money, you're a farking moron or Matt Millen.  That money is not guaranteed, and in a few years the general manager/director of player personnel WILL go to Suh and Johnson and say, "We need to restructure this contract again, we'll sign you to an extension that flattens out the cap hit, or we'll likely start evaluating whether or not to cut you and take the portion of the hit."

This happens with EVERY PLAYER.  It's part of the business; the contracts players sign mean jack shiat except for guaranteed money.
 
2013-03-19 08:03:52 AM  

UNC_Samurai: In other words, neither Johnson nor Suh is taking less money, and their cap hits are just being pushed forward into the future, meaning that $11 million bill will come due in future years.

If you think they're going to see all of that back-end money, you're a farking moron or Matt Millen.  That money is not guaranteed, and in a few years the general manager/director of player personnel WILL go to Suh and Johnson and say, "We need to restructure this contract again, we'll sign you to an extension that flattens out the cap hit, or we'll likely start evaluating whether or not to cut you and take the portion of the hit."

This happens with EVERY PLAYER.  It's part of the business; the contracts players sign mean jack shiat except for guaranteed money.


Yep.
 
2013-03-19 08:05:41 AM  
In other words, neither Johnson nor Suh is taking less money, and their cap hits are just being pushed forward into the future, meaning that $11 million bill will come due in future years. But in a year when the Lions' top decision makers, including G.M. Martin Mayhew and coach Jim Schwartz, have to know that their jobs are on the line if they don't win, it was important for them to be able to make deals with free agents like Reggie Bush and Glover Quin now, not to worry about the future.

They both have a fine career ahead of them working in Congress.
 
2013-03-19 08:10:59 AM  
And, don't forget, Brady actually got an EXTRA $3 million in his 'restructure', but that was conveniently overlooked as well...
 
2013-03-19 08:11:21 AM  
Is Schwartz likely to be retained if the Lions don't have a great season this year?  I would think anything less than a playoff win is his ass.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:35 AM  
Because the Lions' players are blah?
 
2013-03-19 08:25:38 AM  
Brady restructured his contract last year, and all that was sais was that it pushed his cap got back. No one called him a nice guy.

What he did thus tear was sign an extension for considerably less money than he could have demanded. Even though his cap hit is pushed back, his extension adds less per year than a franchise tag on a WR ($9 mil/ year on the extension, WR tag was $9.5 mil).

Try to turn this into a narrative if you want, but it's clear that you're clueless when you do.
 
2013-03-19 08:27:46 AM  

Close2TheEdge: In other words, neither Johnson nor Suh is taking less money, and their cap hits are just being pushed forward into the future, meaning that $11 million bill will come due in future years. But in a year when the Lions' top decision makers, including G.M. Martin Mayhew and coach Jim Schwartz, have to know that their jobs are on the line if they don't win, it was important for them to be able to make deals with free agents like Reggie Bush and Glover Quin now, not to worry about the future.

They both have a fine career ahead of them working in Congress.


We WISH Congress had the incumbency rate of an NFL front office.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:41 AM  

meddleRPI: Brady restructured his contract last year, and all that was sais was that it pushed his cap got back. No one called him a nice guy.

What he did thus tear was sign an extension for considerably less money than he could have demanded. Even though his cap hit is pushed back, his extension adds less per year than a franchise tag on a WR ($9 mil/ year on the extension, WR tag was $9.5 mil).

Try to turn this into a narrative if you want, but it's clear that you're clueless when you do.


And assuming he doesn't suffer a catastrophic injury, there is a zero percent chance Brady plays out this current contract as it is written.

Everybody with an actual clue knows it'll be renegotiated in two years and Brady won't have left a cent on the table.
 
2013-03-19 08:42:58 AM  

xaks: And, don't forget, Brady actually got an EXTRA $3 million in his 'restructure', but that was conveniently overlooked as well... is totally dreamy.



/Peter King'd that for you
 
2013-03-19 08:53:04 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: meddleRPI: Brady restructured his contract last year, and all that was sais was that it pushed his cap got back. No one called him a nice guy.

What he did thus tear was sign an extension for considerably less money than he could have demanded. Even though his cap hit is pushed back, his extension adds less per year than a franchise tag on a WR ($9 mil/ year on the extension, WR tag was $9.5 mil).

Try to turn this into a narrative if you want, but it's clear that you're clueless when you do.

And assuming he doesn't suffer a catastrophic injury, there is a zero percent chance Brady plays out this current contract as it is written.

Everybody with an actual clue knows it'll be renegotiated in two years and Brady won't have left a cent on the table.


Out of curiosity how much money would you actually be willing to stake on that claim? After all he never renegotiated his first big contract, even after the year he had in 2007.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:39 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: meddleRPI: Brady restructured his contract last year, and all that was sais was that it pushed his cap got back. No one called him a nice guy.

What he did thus tear was sign an extension for considerably less money than he could have demanded. Even though his cap hit is pushed back, his extension adds less per year than a franchise tag on a WR ($9 mil/ year on the extension, WR tag was $9.5 mil).

Try to turn this into a narrative if you want, but it's clear that you're clueless when you do.

And assuming he doesn't suffer a catastrophic injury, there is a zero percent chance Brady plays out this current contract as it is written.

Everybody with an actual clue knows it'll be renegotiated in two years and Brady won't have left a cent on the table.


Don't think so. I'm 98% sure that the reason he took less was because it was all guaranteed. Every penny, no matter what.
 
2013-03-19 09:02:41 AM  

GoldSpider: Because the Lions' players are blah?


Even worse, they play for the Lions.
 
2013-03-19 09:10:09 AM  
Jim Schwartz is a terrible head coach. Shiulda been gone by now anyway.
 
2013-03-19 09:10:38 AM  

UNC_Samurai: In other words, neither Johnson nor Suh is taking less money, and their cap hits are just being pushed forward into the future, meaning that $11 million bill will come due in future years.

If you think they're going to see all of that back-end money, you're a farking moron or Matt Millen.  That money is not guaranteed, and in a few years the general manager/director of player personnel WILL go to Suh and Johnson and say, "We need to restructure this contract again, we'll sign you to an extension that flattens out the cap hit, or we'll likely start evaluating whether or not to cut you and take the portion of the hit."

This happens with EVERY PLAYER.  It's part of the business; the contracts players sign mean jack shiat except for guaranteed money.


They are making base salary but the rest of their money is a signing bonus so it actually is guaranteed.
 
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2013-03-19 09:18:28 AM  
when your wife makes $50 mil a year and if she leaves you, she would pay alimony, that give you options.....
 
2013-03-19 09:18:28 AM  

king of vegas: Jim Schwartz is a terrible head coach. Shiulda been gone by now anyway.


Why he's still around:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 09:25:39 AM  
Suh must be planning on drawing a couple less penalty fines this year.
 
2013-03-19 09:28:00 AM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Suh must be planning on drawing a couple less penalty fines this year.


no matter what people say, he really did clean up his act last year.  Other than the mystery kick to Schlub, which I still don't really care about.

/farker cartwheeled.
 
2013-03-19 09:39:51 AM  

king of vegas: Jim Schwartz is a terrible head coach. Shiulda been gone by now anyway.


He's irreplaceable. Where are you gonna find a coach who can't control his players and finishes the season with eight straight losses?  Those kinda guys don't grow on trees.
 
2013-03-19 09:43:36 AM  

basemetal: UNC_Samurai: In other words, neither Johnson nor Suh is taking less money, and their cap hits are just being pushed forward into the future, meaning that $11 million bill will come due in future years.

If you think they're going to see all of that back-end money, you're a farking moron or Matt Millen.  That money is not guaranteed, and in a few years the general manager/director of player personnel WILL go to Suh and Johnson and say, "We need to restructure this contract again, we'll sign you to an extension that flattens out the cap hit, or we'll likely start evaluating whether or not to cut you and take the portion of the hit."

This happens with EVERY PLAYER.  It's part of the business; the contracts players sign mean jack shiat except for guaranteed money.

Yep.


Look at the people who don't know how NFL contracts work.

They turned the money into a signing bonus, which is paid immediately and prorated over the life of the contract. So yes, the money is guaranteed and in fact is about to get paid to them now. The restructure does exactly what the headline says
 
2013-03-19 09:52:53 AM  
Tom Brady restructures contract: "What a great white guy Tom Brady is".

/obvious
 
2013-03-19 10:14:55 AM  

the biggest redneck here: Don't think so. I'm 98% sure that the reason he took less was because it was all guaranteed. Every penny, no matter what.


That's not true.  As of right now, it's only guaranteed in the event of a career-ending injury.  If he's on the roster for the last game of the 2014 season, the rest of the years are guaranteed, at which point Brady will almost definitely want to renegotiate, since that's precisely what's happened four times before.

And he didn't take less.  He nearly doubled his guaranteed money.
 
2013-03-19 10:16:22 AM  
Yeah, everyone who restructures their contract should get a lot of fawning. It's not fair!
 
2013-03-19 10:17:23 AM  
A lot of talent there. Not many wins to show for it.
 
2013-03-19 10:18:15 AM  

johnny_vegas: Tom Brady restructures contract: "What a great white guy Tom Brady is".

/obvious


Think that's what subby was actually going for.
 
2013-03-19 10:18:32 AM  

YoungLochinvar: Out of curiosity how much money would you actually be willing to stake on that claim? After all he never renegotiated his first big contract, even after the year he had in 2007.


I'll put $100 on Brady renegotiating his contract again before his career is over, provided his career goes beyond 2014 as stipulated in his current deal.

And again, he's renegotiated his contract four times in his career, each time guaranteeing himself MORE money.  Don't be naive just because you have a man crush on your boy Brady, Medford.
 
2013-03-19 10:23:25 AM  

ChrisDe: A lot of talent there. Not many wins to show for it.


It's 2 people and Megatron just broke the record for receiving yards in a season (whether that was better or worse for the team I don't know).  They made it to the playoffs impressively after years of darkness, and I think the Lions made great use of those picks but they still struggle to fill their organisation with complimentary talent (thinking of their weak WR and LB corps).
 
2013-03-19 10:26:59 AM  
I expect this Brady slobbering by Pat slappies like Peter King and the like...but they are still pushing this ridiculous narrative on NFL Network.

Just the other day the hot gal that hosts the morning show led with "Tom Brady, who just took less than market value to help the Pats..."

I about barfed in my coffee cup...are you kidding me?
 
2013-03-19 10:27:51 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: the biggest redneck here: Don't think so. I'm 98% sure that the reason he took less was because it was all guaranteed. Every penny, no matter what.

That's not true.  As of right now, it's only guaranteed in the event of a career-ending injury.  If he's on the roster for the last game of the 2014 season, the rest of the years are guaranteed, at which point Brady will almost definitely want to renegotiate, since that's precisely what's happened four times before.

And he didn't take less.  He nearly doubled his guaranteed money.


So you're saying that the stuff being printed about his contract in the 48 hours following its announcement might not have been totally accurate? I feel so misled now.
 
2013-03-19 10:28:58 AM  

ChrisDe: A lot of talent there on the offensive side of the ball. A secondary and Linebacking group that has more holes than swiss cheese.


FTFY
 
2013-03-19 10:36:17 AM  

UNC_Samurai: you're a farking moron or Matt Millen


You said the same thing twice

//as a Bears fan, the Lions need to give that guy a second chance
//or maybe he should go to the packers
 
2013-03-19 10:37:40 AM  

thecpt: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Suh must be planning on drawing a couple less penalty fines this year.

no matter what people say, he really did clean up his act last year.  Other than the mystery kick to Schlub, which I still don't really care about.

/farker cartwheeled.


This is true and you're right to note it. I think that bad press from clogging Schaub in the knob helped keep him mostly in line the rest of the season too.
Could be a good thing to keep his attitude in check and let his ability speak for itself.
 
2013-03-19 10:48:02 AM  

GoldSpider: Because the Lions' players are blah?


"blah" as in "not having a strong personality" or "blah" as in "not hands-down the best receiver in football, perhaps best player at any position"?
 
2013-03-19 10:48:57 AM  
Absolutely.  Suh is the mold of what a great guy is, both on and off the field.
Had you just stuck with Calvin Johnson, I might not think you're fishing, 'Troitmitter.
 
2013-03-19 10:49:00 AM  

JRaynor: UNC_Samurai: you're a farking moron or Matt Millen

You said the same thing twice

//as a Bears fan, the Lions need to give that guy a second chance
//or maybe he should go to the packers


I like the way you think. The NFC North is the best division top to bottom talent-wise (the records bore that out in 2012), even if the NFC West arguably have the conference's two best teams (Arizona drags them down quite a bit).
 
2013-03-19 10:58:32 AM  
Brady lost Welker and probably will lose the tuck rule. He is over let him go.
 
2013-03-19 11:19:04 AM  
UNC_Samurai: ***snip***

Please get out of my brain.  Thank you.
 
2013-03-19 11:21:35 AM  

the biggest redneck here: So you're saying that the stuff being printed about his contract in the 48 hours following its announcement might not have been totally accurate? I feel so misled now.


Just take the blue pill and keep your television on either ESPN or, once the season begins, Football Night in America on NBC.  Peter King will make it all better.
 
2013-03-19 11:25:16 AM  
I don't remember this praise subby is referring to for Brady, and I'm also not reading this article about these guys as them getting the same money but pushed out over time as negative.

Congrats on trying to make something out of nothing Subby
 
2013-03-19 11:29:59 AM  
If we're on the subject of Detroit, what is Fat Stafford doing right now?  Detoit is not winning with a QB whose chin strap sinks into his face like it's squishing a marshmallow.  Someone light a fire under that guy.
 
2013-03-19 11:47:55 AM  

Iceberg659: They are making base salary but the rest of their money is a signing bonus so it actually is guaranteed.


justtray: Look at the people who don't know how NFL contracts work.

They turned the money into a signing bonus, which is paid immediately and prorated over the life of the contract. So yes, the money is guaranteed and in fact is about to get paid to them now. The restructure does exactly what the headline says


Yes...but did they turn just this season's salary (except for minimums)  into bonus money...or salary for all remaining contracted seasons (except for minimums)?
The article is a little short on detail.
 
2013-03-19 11:51:18 AM  

srhp29: I don't remember this praise subby is referring to for Brady, and I'm also not reading this article about these guys as them getting the same money but pushed out over time as negative.

Congrats on trying to make something out of nothing Subby


yep and yep
 
2013-03-19 11:59:31 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: king of vegas: Jim Schwartz is a terrible head coach. Shiulda been gone by now anyway.

Why he's still around:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 400x350]


That amused me enough to make this

i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-19 12:03:27 PM  

js34603: Yeah, everyone who restructures their contract should get a lot of fawning. It's not fair!


Now you are just being silly.  No one is saying that.  Only white players (preferably banging hot models) should get the fawning.
 
2013-03-19 12:04:32 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: If we're on the subject of Detroit, what is Fat Stafford doing right now?  Detoit is not winning with a QB whose chin strap sinks into his face like it's squishing a marshmallow.  Someone light a fire under that guy.


Hasn't he thrown for like eleventypotato yards (some even to receivers other than Megatron) since joining the league?

Shouldn't a winning-type team be able to run the ball from further than 2 yards out? Shouldn't they also play defense (I don't know what the Lions' D-rank was last year, but I assume it was under 16)?
 
2013-03-19 12:09:12 PM  

Close2TheEdge: In other words, neither Johnson nor Suh is taking less money, and their cap hits are just being pushed forward into the future, meaning that $11 million bill will come due in future years. But in a year when the Lions' top decision makers, including G.M. Martin Mayhew and coach Jim Schwartz, have to know that their jobs are on the line if they don't win, it was important for them to be able to make deals with free agents like Reggie Bush and Glover Quin now, not to worry about the future.

They both have a fine career ahead of them working in Congress.


Jeez, I may have disagreements and say bad things about people, but there are lines I just won't cross. Have you no shame sir?!

/snicker
 
2013-03-19 12:10:22 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: If we're on the subject of Detroit, what is Fat Stafford doing right now?  Detoit is not winning with a QB whose chin strap sinks into his face like it's squishing a marshmallow.  Someone light a fire under that guy.


I know this will likely cause the FARK NFL football world to go into chaos and confusion given the "Only the QB matters" mindset most of you have...but Stafford, nor the offense isn't the problem in Detroit.

Top Ten Offensive + 21st Against the Pass + 24th Against the Run + 3rd worst Special Teams + Drive Killing Stupid Penalties By The Players and the Coach + Tough NFC North Division = 4-12

Their Linebackers are terrible and their Secondary is just abysmal...zero depth as they really struggled against #2 WRs and TEs.
 
2013-03-19 12:14:29 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Nana's Vibrator: If we're on the subject of Detroit, what is Fat Stafford doing right now?  Detoit is not winning with a QB whose chin strap sinks into his face like it's squishing a marshmallow.  Someone light a fire under that guy.

Hasn't he thrown for like eleventypotato yards (some even to receivers other than Megatron) since joining the league?

Shouldn't a winning-type team be able to run the ball from further than 2 yards out? Shouldn't they also play defense (I don't know what the Lions' D-rank was last year, but I assume it was under 16)?


Yeah Stafford isn't the second coming of Joe Montana or anything, but he's not where the problem lies.  The offensive line is not that good in general and extra terrible at running blocking.  The defensive secondary is bad.  Plus have the time when Detroit does get a stop on 3rd down it seems like they commit a penalty in the process and give the other team a first down.  At this point I feel like Suh's signature play is on 3rd and 3, meeting the running back in the backfield for a two yard loss, but grabbing his facemask on the way down to provide an automatic first down.  Every so often Avril or Vanden Bosch comes in with a defensive hold or illegal hands to the face just for variety's sake.

/the D-Coord needs to be fired, the Wide 9 doesn't work that well with the personnel Detroit has and the defense has serious discipline issues
 
2013-03-19 12:18:06 PM  

Coach_J: but Stafford, nor the offense isn't the problem in Detroit.


Stafford isn't the problem, but the offense sort of is. He doesn't have a single RB that can avoid injury after five carries, nor an offensive line that can run block for crap. So, if you give the keys to a wholly one-dimensional and predictable offense to a young QB, yeah, some INTs and frustration will happen.

In general though, their defense and special teams are definitely a bigger issue than the offense.
 
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