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2013-03-19 12:12:21 AM
12 votes:
It's basically time to burn Steubenville to the ground and salt the earth so nothing grows again there, isn't it?
2013-03-18 11:56:22 PM
11 votes:
F*cking amazing. The fact that those two assholes have garnered the slightest bit of sympathy floors me.
2013-03-19 12:05:11 AM
10 votes:
What gets me is that the major reason the state was able to make a case against the duo is because they and their friends tweeted/instagrammed/youtubed all about it, and these two girls apparently didn't get the message to not say stupid stuff that could get you in trouble with the law on easily traceable social networks.

Really, it's astounding how many members of today's youth think that what they say/post on any social network can't come back to bite them in the ass.
2013-03-19 12:02:09 AM
10 votes:

SilentStrider: F*cking amazing. The fact that those two assholes have garnered the slightest bit of sympathy floors me.


Oh, just stick around in the thread.  You'll see lots here.  Not to mention CNN, who made the story about how two young men's promising athletic careers would be ruined by the verdict.

Makes me farking sick.
2013-03-19 02:34:41 AM
9 votes:

TopoGigo: Dafatone: GAT_00: Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.

Someday we'll have a thread on this subject where "cry rape" doesn't get brought up.

Someday.

It happens. Nobody knows how often it happens, but it definitely happens. While the words "cry rape" are pretty insensitive, the fact remains that it is hard to prove that any particular woman was "date raped". (God, how I hate that term.)
So, WTF can we do about it? We can't assume that any accuser is automatically telling the truth. We can't assume that any accuser is automatically lying. We can't assume that any accuser is automatically exaggerating. We can't read their f*cking minds. Polygraphs are inadmissible in court, for what I can only assume are good reasons. The only thing I know to do is to tell girls to fight. At least if there are physical injuries, there is evidence. Punch, claw, scratch, kick, bite. And accept that you might get your face irreparably smashed in, or your life abruptly ended. WTF, that doesn't work, either.


Sure, it happens.  People are falsely accused of other crimes, but if we get an article about someone running an illegal dog kennel, no one's yelling about how people get falsely accused of illegal dog kennels.

It happens, but it doesn't need to be pointed out in every thread about rape.  A thread about someone falsely accused?  Sure.  A thread about a trial itself, where the truth of the accusation is in question?  Sure.

But here, we have a thread about two asshole girls tweeting at a rape victim, whose attackers have already been found guilty.  What, there, has anything to do with "sometimes women falsely accuse men of rape" other than this sickening notion that in EVERY single thread on this subject, someone has to chime in with "sometimes women falsely accuse men of rape ?"
2013-03-19 12:29:13 AM
9 votes:

Snarfangel: By the way, I am not suggesting that women are normally nicer than men (that's an argument for another day). I'm just saying that if a couple of woman ganged up and cut off  some innocent guy's Mr. Happy while he was drunk and forwarded pictures of the crime to all of their friends, I don't think a whole lot of men would make threats to the victim if the women were convicted. They would at least have some empathy at how horrific such a crime was.

Yes, even if they were 15 and 16 years old, and the women were beach volleyball stars or whatever. There are some things you just don't do.


Different crime.  When Mr. Happy is damaged, the man is unquestionably wronged.  No one asks whether he wanted it.

When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is.  It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case.
2013-03-19 01:52:44 AM
8 votes:
Interesting.  A state with a significant percentage of functionally illiterate people, and a small town high school therein has 19 football coaches.    Holy crap, America, your priorities are totally farked up.
2013-03-19 01:27:02 AM
7 votes:
Remind me again how playing high school sports builds character.
2013-03-19 02:41:21 AM
6 votes:

TopoGigo: Dafatone: GAT_00: Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.

Someday we'll have a thread on this subject where "cry rape" doesn't get brought up.

Someday.

It happens. Nobody knows how often it happens, but it definitely happens. While the words "cry rape" are pretty insensitive, the fact remains that it is hard to prove that any particular woman was "date raped". (God, how I hate that term.)
So, WTF can we do about it? We can't assume that any accuser is automatically telling the truth. We can't assume that any accuser is automatically lying. We can't assume that any accuser is automatically exaggerating. We can't read their f*cking minds. Polygraphs are inadmissible in court, for what I can only assume are good reasons. The only thing I know to do is to tell girls to fight. At least if there are physical injuries, there is evidence. Punch, claw, scratch, kick, bite. And accept that you might get your face irreparably smashed in, or your life abruptly ended. WTF, that doesn't work, either.


Sorry, but I value my life and the intact bones on my face too much to do something that is not likely to result in anything other than me getting seriously injured or killed if I find myself in a situation where I know I'm not going to be able to successfully fight off an attacker. Your approach is why women for centuries couldn't get justice when they were raped. The very fact that a woman survived her rape was used as proof that she must have wanted it because someone who was really wanting to preserve her virtue would have fought back to the point of death.

Your approach is also why women who are raped carry massive amounts of unwarranted guilt with them for years--they've been programmed to believe that if they don't get the crap beat out of them then it's partly their fault because they didn't resist enough.

As horrible a crime as rape is, I'm not going to put my life on the line just to convince a bunch of misogynists that it wasn't consent, and I'm not going to ask anyone else to do so either. That attitude hearkens back to the idea that a woman's virginity was more important than her life.
2013-03-19 02:20:31 AM
6 votes:

cardex: Benevolent Misanthrope: 

When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is.  It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case.


She has every right to say no up to the point it's over, not 2 weeks later then decide it was rape not defending the guys but in this place they are only 33% to blame the girl is 17% and her parents are 50% for not teaching her not to get shiat face drunk and farking every guy in town


Oh, look.  Another moron defending the rapists.  No, she is 0% responsible for getting rape.  When you pass out drunk with supposed friends, you get sharpie moustache picture posted on facebook that you laugh about the next day.  You don't get dragged unconscious from party to party, half naked, and sexually abused.

The blame is on the rapists, their parents for not teaching them right from wrong, and the community for creating and encouraging this kind of behavior.
2013-03-19 02:09:26 AM
6 votes:

johnsmith99: It's always a bad sign when a small town is proud of it's high school football heritage.  The last thing you should do is make celebrities out of a bunch of 17 year old boys.
Really, also, just shiatty parenting all the way around.


This. Football alone didn't cause this, anymore than football caused the Penn State rapes. It's when entire communities decide that the school sports program is their meaning for existence that anything that could disrupt it gets brushed aside (if you're lucky) or stomped down (if you're not). Not only does it lead to crap like this, but it leaves a truly farked-up mindset in the people who graduate and then spend the rest of their lives in the same town thinking nothing they ever do will ever be as important as being a 17-year-old playing a game. After a couple of generations of raising kids in an environment like that and you have a community that isn't too far removed morally from Lord of the Flies.

You know, I don't look at every grad of Penn State as automatically complicit in the Sandusky/Paterno case, but this? The way so many in the school, the town, the police, and the local government all deliberately tried to make this go away, never giving a damn for anything but the image of their star athletes? Fark me, this is simply a town that needs to be walled off and left to starve.
2013-03-19 01:35:21 AM
6 votes:
It's always a bad sign when a small town is proud of it's high school football heritage.  The last thing you should do is make celebrities out of a bunch of 17 year old boys.
Really, also, just shiatty parenting all the way around.
2013-03-19 12:57:28 AM
6 votes:

SilentStrider: F*cking amazing. The fact that those two assholes have garnered the slightest bit of sympathy floors me.


The entire town was blowing off doing anything til Anonymous amped up the international pressure. It was a little dorkysh*t town on lockdown that loved its football more than the law, and this was true for weeks.

Go back and read the whole history of this thing. The youtube vid ("She is *so raped*) was up for weeks, local police did nothing. Coach did nothing. Town did nothing.

Sh*theel local politics and good-ol-boy bullcrap in a famously football-centric town were winning out until international lights were shone, which is where Anonymous came in.
2013-03-19 12:05:51 AM
6 votes:

Snarfangel: WTF is wrong with some people? And girls? Not just misanthropic basement-dwelling Cheeto-stained football nuts?


Bet they're cheerleaders.
2013-03-19 03:17:19 AM
5 votes:

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: ADHD Librarian: Nice rant. But I'm guessing you didn't read the tweet. Here it is, because RTFA is hard: "You ripped my family apart, you made my cousin cry, so when I see you it's gonna be homicide."

Yes, that's a threat with a lot of anger towards the victim, but it doesn't blame her for getting raped.



"You ripped my family apart, you made my cousin cry"

She's either blaming the victim for being raped, or she's blaming the victim for reporting the crime. Either way, she appears to be blaming the victim for not accepting rape as a natural and unavoidable part of life.
2013-03-19 02:16:46 AM
5 votes:

cardex: Benevolent Misanthrope:
When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is.  It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case.


She has every right to say no up to the point it's over, not 2 weeks later then decide it was rape not defending the guys but in this place they are only 33% to blame the girl is 17% and her parents are 50% for not teaching her not to get shiat face drunk and farking every guy in town


Are you seriously defending rapists... because "she was a slut" and "football". You belong in this state.
2013-03-19 02:07:06 AM
5 votes:
If you follow high school sports as an adult, you need to get a farking life.
2013-03-19 01:57:59 AM
5 votes:
You trolls (future trolls...and past trolls in the other thread) are aware there are Farkettes (including myself) (and Farkers) that have been raped.  Show some respect.  Nothing but love here, yeah!?  <3
2013-03-19 01:34:22 AM
5 votes:
Stories like this makes me happy that I never got into sports.  I can't imagine being so devoted to a sport that all who are involved are such heroes that they are above the law and anyone who reports them for rape becomes the subject of death threats.  "Sorry you got raped, but your rapers are BETTER people than you because they can play a sport, so keep your mouth shut and don't ruin their promising careers."

At what point do we put this girl and her family into some sort of witness protection program, because that's apparently what's going to be needed at this point.  I'm taking bets that by Friday someone will have attempted an attack on her, or actually attacked her.
2013-03-19 01:33:55 AM
5 votes:
If you get drunk and pass out at a party then you deserve whatever happens to you.  Of course, that should be things like having a mustache drawn on your face or having your hand put in a bowl of warm water or tying your shoes together.  Being sexually groped or molested or raped are NOT on the approved list of things you can do to someone who is drunk and passed out.  Castrate the two monsters.  Then fry 'em up and make them eat it.
2013-03-19 12:43:40 AM
5 votes:

Snarfangel: By the way, I am not suggesting that women are normally nicer than men (that's an argument for another day). I'm just saying that if a couple of woman ganged up and cut off  some innocent guy's Mr. Happy while he was drunk and forwarded pictures of the crime to all of their friends, I don't think a whole lot of men would make threats to the victim if the women were convicted. They would at least have some empathy at how horrific such a crime was.

Yes, even if they were 15 and 16 years old, and the women were beach volleyball stars or whatever. There are some things you just don't do.


The scenario there is more than a little bit different.  If they had mutilated her genitals I believe it would be much harder for anyone to come out in support of them.

Now, if two women had taken a passed-out drunken guy and had their way with him sexually, I think you'd find a lot of men laughing at the guy for pressing charges and a lot of people saying things like 'wow, lucky him, where were girls like that when I was in high school'.
2013-03-19 02:58:48 AM
4 votes:
Apparently I'm the only person that RTFA.  So, to repeat:

THE GIRLS THAT MADE THESE THREATS ARE RELATED TO THE CONVICTED RAPISTS. THEY DID NOT DO THIS BECAUSE THEY JUST WORSHIP ATHLETES.

Does this change the fact that this was an extremely Farker up situation? No.
Are you justified in threatening someone because your cousin/ family member got caught raping her? No.
Is it important to get these kinds of details right as Steubenville hopefully starts the process of evolving into a less Farker up,community? Yes!
2013-03-19 02:00:23 AM
4 votes:

the ha ha guy: GAT_00: As bad as it still is for women who are victims of rape, it is actually worse if a man gets raped by a woman.  The almost universal reaction is of disbelief.


I know this firsthand. I tries to press charges against the woman who raped me when I was a teenager, and the reactions were always some variation of "congratulations" or "women can't commit rape" (usually both). Literally nobody took me seriously.

/No, it wasn't as enjoyable as you think. She used a dildo.

blondelogic.typepad.com
2013-03-19 12:36:43 AM
4 votes:
Goddamn. People can sure be stupid, heartless assholes.
2013-03-19 12:33:45 AM
4 votes:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: GAT_00: Snarfangel: WTF is wrong with some people? And girls? Not just misanthropic basement-dwelling Cheeto-stained football nuts?

Bet they're cheerleaders.

Stereotyping? From my GAT_00? It's more disappointing than you think.


omnibus_necanda_sunt: Seriously, you could just go on cha-cha and get the name right now. Hiding the girl is the exact opposite of what they should have done.

People are stupid, and if you look like you're hiding something, they'll side against you. Or simply, out of sight, out of mind.


Yeah, I'm going to consider valid the opinion of someone who thinks the problem with all of this is that we haven't made a spectacle out of the victim for being raped.
2013-03-19 12:22:13 AM
4 votes:
By the way, I am not suggesting that women are normally nicer than men (that's an argument for another day). I'm just saying that if a couple of woman ganged up and cut off  some innocent guy's Mr. Happy while he was drunk and forwarded pictures of the crime to all of their friends, I don't think a whole lot of men would make threats to the victim if the women were convicted. They would at least have some empathy at how horrific such a crime was.

Yes, even if they were 15 and 16 years old, and the women were beach volleyball stars or whatever. There are some things you just don't do.
2013-03-19 12:10:44 AM
4 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Really, it's astounding how many members of today's youth think that what they say/post on any social network can't come back to bite them in the ass.


It's not just the idiot kids. How many of your Facebook friends posted that idiotic faux-legalese about "photo copyrights" that they cross-their-hearts-and-hope-to-die KNEW would magically undo the "tl;dr" end-user contract they agreed to with the site and prevent Evil Zuckerberg from making even more billions by using the blurry photo of their cats posted on the timeline?

But, yes, these kids *are* layering on a bonus level of weapons-grade stupidity considering the convictions happened in large part to the criminals courteously posting the evidence of their crime for the police.
2013-03-19 11:09:54 AM
3 votes:
You know what's laughable about this entire thread...

The biggest point about being black out drunk are the people who think when someone says "Don't get black out drunk or you could get raped"

is interpreting that as "that internet meanie says black out drunk is asking for rape so it's blaming the victim and justifying rape culture"

when the reality is:

It's not asking to get raped, no one asks to get raped... And it's not implied... What the reality is, it opens the door of opportunistic rapists to rape... To them, it's an opportunity, one they couldn't take if the playing field was leveled. That makes them cowardly scum rapists instead of aggressive asshole rapists...

No one is justifying what they did except controversy stirring media shills... And no one is BLAMING the victim...

The argument about pass out drinking is this:
It doesn't matter if you are male, or female, getting so drunk you pass out is an opportunity for scumbags. Some scumbags might just vandalize your face, which may or may not be emotionally traumatizing... Some scumbags will pose you for scandalous pictures and post them on the internet... The truly evil scumbags will rape you...

So the advice is: Don't get pass out drunk, because while there's no excuse for people being scumbags, telling  people that to do that makes them scumbags isn't going to stop them from being scumbags, that's why they are scumbags...

You can't just get on the internet and berate a bunch of people and tell them they are a murder culture and to not to murder and expect the murder rate to drop... Murders will still happen, but as a society, we have a general idea on how to avoid getting murdered... such as, don't fark your best friends wife... it could get you murdered... don't screw over your drug dealer, it WILL get you murdered... don't wear rival gang colors when you're on someone else's turf, you could get murdered... that's not blaming the victim or potential victims, it's trying to get people to not get murdered...

We are trying to help people not get raped... it's not easy to identify rapists, they don't dress in special clothes, there's no gang signs or colors for rapists, and they don't walk around with raging rapist hard ons... so we advise, rapists could be anywhere, and we don't want you to get raped, so please don't get so drunk you pass out, because you might not get raped the first time, or the fifth time, but the risk of getting raped is probably hundreds of times higher than when you aren't passed out...

Risky behavior is a numbers game before something catastrophic happens... just ask Steve Irwin
2013-03-19 07:33:36 AM
3 votes:

robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.


When I was in the jewelry business, I sold lots and lots of jewelry - to lots of people.
So when some guys hit my salesman and ripped me for $100,000 worth of merchandise, I totally had it coming.
2013-03-19 07:18:10 AM
3 votes:
Argh.
I read the other thread a few days ago. The one that said men need to be trained not to rape. The one that insisted we live in a rape culture. Like it was socialy accepted to say "hey guys I'm going to the store for some snacks and I'll probably rape the first woman I see. want anything?"
I thought bull.. we don't live in a "rape culture". Rape is one of the most reviled crimes around. No one in this day and age supports a convicted rapeist.
Now this crap from CNN and some of the stuff in these theads is makeing me loose a little more faith in humanity.
Its very hard to tell your self that you don't live in a rape culture when the lady on the national news crys for the poor poor rapeists and how the conviction will harm their future.
2013-03-19 03:24:41 AM
3 votes:

Jim_Callahan: 1. The crime occurred
2. The crime was actually committed by the defendant


however you don't need defend your character as it won't be an issue.
2013-03-19 03:19:10 AM
3 votes:

ZeroCorpse: lacydog: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

This has to be the saddest tumblr I have ever found. Humanity blows.

Yeah... Wow... It makes you kinda wish for a disease that only kills people with I.Q.s below 120.


No.  You don't have to be smart to be a decent human being.  I want a disease that kills assholes.
2013-03-19 02:52:11 AM
3 votes:
This is like the JV version of the Penn State scandal, with a large number of the people in the town doing whatever necessary to protect their precious football team, which has become more like a cult than a recreational activity for kids. Right or wrong, they don't care--if you fark with the team, you must be destroyed.

The football program should be burned to the ground, and the ground salted.
2013-03-19 02:48:47 AM
3 votes:
Doesn't surprise me after the whole Paterno thing where people were livid over the fact that their beloved coach was "mistreated". They might have only been a few dozen in a crowd of thousands who just wanted his head... but they were there.

This is what gets me...

People will howl about the evils of video games or half a dozen other things but start talking about the dark underside of sports fanaticism and you're trying to ruin the entirely pure as the driven snow holiness that is sports. The fanatical level of sports enthusiasm creates far more problems for society than the video game set.
2013-03-19 02:47:31 AM
3 votes:

lacydog: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

This has to be the saddest tumblr I have ever found. Humanity blows.


Yeah... Wow... It makes you kinda wish for a disease that only kills people with I.Q.s below 120.
2013-03-19 02:39:10 AM
3 votes:

cardex: neongoats: ExperianScaresCthulhu: neongoats: cardex: Benevolent Misanthrope:
When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is.  It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case.


She has every right to say no up to the point it's over, not 2 weeks later then decide it was rape not defending the guys but in this place they are only 33% to blame the girl is 17% and her parents are 50% for not teaching her not to get shiat face drunk and farking every guy in town

Are you seriously defending rapists... because "she was a slut" and "football". You belong in this state.

Except that Cardex is right.

Sorry, no. Unless "loves rapists" makes him "right".

I mean, it might make him "right wing" but not "correct".

That may be the first time I have ever been called right wing, I do like sucking dick and I know that is one of the main requirements to join the right but my worship of the FSM kicks me back out. And as I said I was not defending the guys could not give 2 shiats about football (or any other sport but I do enjoy the locker room at the gym for other reasons) my point was that the girl did not think it was rape until the entire school started calling her a slut, and several of my friends have kids in her age range and not a single one of them would allow one to go to a party without supervision and would not have called the cops long before the girl had a chance to wake up in a strange house the next day


Right, teenagers never disobey their parents and sneak out to hit a party.

There is a difference here, going to a party and getting drunk is normal for kids. Going to a party, finding a farked up chick and videotaping yourself gang raping her while she is unconscious, that is not normal. And in fact, is wrong. And evil.

And I hope those guys spend their lives getting prison raped. fark that town..
2013-03-19 02:31:30 AM
3 votes:
Ooh, hang on... let me get out my rape apologist red and brand a few more farkers in here.
/just when you think you've got 'em all
2013-03-19 02:25:25 AM
3 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: neongoats: cardex: Benevolent Misanthrope:
When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is.  It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case.


She has every right to say no up to the point it's over, not 2 weeks later then decide it was rape not defending the guys but in this place they are only 33% to blame the girl is 17% and her parents are 50% for not teaching her not to get shiat face drunk and farking every guy in town

Are you seriously defending rapists... because "she was a slut" and "football". You belong in this state.

Except that Cardex is right.


Sorry, no. Unless "loves rapists" makes him "right".

I mean, it might make him "right wing" but not "correct".
2013-03-19 02:24:37 AM
3 votes:

cardex: She has every right to say no up to the point it's over, not 2 weeks later then decide it was rape not defending the guys but in this place they are only 33% to blame the girl is 17% and her parents are 50% for not teaching her not to get shiat face drunk and farking every guy in town

100% guilty.

FTFY, stupid.
2013-03-19 02:16:17 AM
3 votes:

cmb53208: If you follow high school sports as an adult, you need to get a farking life.


This.

I hope the feds put the girl in the witness protection program. I know it doesn't work like that, but she needs a whole new life after this.
2013-03-19 02:03:22 AM
3 votes:

Skyday: You trolls (future trolls...and past trolls in the other thread) are aware there are Farkettes (including myself) (and Farkers) that have been raped.  Show some respect.  Nothing but love here, yeah!?  <3


Or had someone close to them raped and saw the psychological damage that stayed with her for years and will always be lingering in the back of her mind, no matter what.
2013-03-19 01:59:09 AM
3 votes:
High school football, man. It's the worst waste of everybody's time, but people take that shiat seriously and revere the douchebags who play it. Especially in a small town.

High school football makes people in small towns stupid.
2013-03-19 01:51:07 AM
3 votes:

GAT_00: Snarfangel: WTF is wrong with some people? And girls? Not just misanthropic basement-dwelling Cheeto-stained football nuts?

Bet they're cheerleaders.



Possibly. After all the craziness of the Sandusky trial, I learned just how much jocksniffers are willing to forgive because FOOTBALL!

Fortunately, social media and technology have made it near impossible for idiot criminals to keep their mouths shut.
2013-03-19 01:48:48 AM
3 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: SilentStrider: F*cking amazing. The fact that those two assholes have garnered the slightest bit of sympathy floors me.

Oh, just stick around in the thread.  You'll see lots here.  Not to mention CNN, who made the story about how two young men's promising athletic careers would be ruined by the verdict.

Makes me farking sick.


Once again, the Onion is prophetic
2013-03-19 01:41:41 AM
3 votes:

BunkoSquad: It's basically time to burn Steubenville to the ground and salt the earth so nothing grows again there, isn't it?


That's a start. I propose the following:
-Life in prison as well as surgical castration and penectomy for the rapists
-Tithe the incomes of the population of Steubenville to pay for anything the victim might need at a rate of 25% per year. Make any attempt to fight this decree punishable by seizure of ALL assets
-Do same for anyone posting support for the rapists in social media or any other forum and for the talking heads at CNN et al who doubtless deliberately leaked the victim's name
Americans are very big on rape, and the only thing that will cure this fetish is constant, permanent punishment for those who indulge in it, be it through the actual act or by showing support for the act and its perpetrators.
2013-03-19 01:36:03 AM
3 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "Rape" victim


"Intelligent" comment.
2013-03-19 01:36:03 AM
3 votes:

Therion: I say we take off and nuke the entire site (Ohio) from orbit, just to be sure.


As someone who lives directly on the other side of the river, I support this.  Say what you want about WV but it's rednecks on one side in PA and these types next door in Ohio that make this area look horrendous.

Honestly, other than people associated with the school, people in this area don't support the cover-up.  We were outraged, just powerless against it.  People around here are tired of the violent crime, drug problem, and break-ins/robberies that go unreported, and this is the icing on the cake.  Without the national spotlight it would've been swept under the rug by people associated with the school, because there's an incestuous relationship between the school and those in power in the area.  You only hear the idiots, you don't hear all the people that wanted this pursued, or wanted to speak up but were afraid for this very reason.  Obviously I'm not talking about the ones that refused to cooperate because of being associated with the act, but those that may have had knowledge or wanted to bring attention to it but didn't feel safe enough to speak up.
2013-03-19 01:34:23 AM
3 votes:

puffy999: Athletics trumps all when it comes to young society.


The ability to understand advanced mathematics or chemistry is nothing compared to running, jumping, catching,rolling over, and fetching.
2013-03-19 01:29:19 AM
3 votes:
This whole athlete worship thing is just a cover for an alien breeding program to create the finest, stupidest meat humans possible. You see, the town jocks are regarded as studs that are meant to breed the womenfolk of the town and it's their duty to rape their way to a fine crop of beefy delicious yokels.
2013-03-19 01:24:59 AM
3 votes:
I say we take off and nuke the entire site (Ohio) from orbit, just to be sure.
2013-03-19 12:50:15 AM
3 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Snarfangel: You're mad because I used "misanthropic" in a sentence, aren't you.

No, I'm mad because of the double standard of a rape case.  Not at you.

BTW, though - and this is not snark, it's a continuation on your point - do you think things would be different if it were a case of a man being raped?  I thought men were really terrible to male rape victims.


As bad as it still is for women who are victims of rape, it is actually worse if a man gets raped by a woman.  The almost universal reaction is of disbelief.

Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.  Women get harassed for making a claim quite often, and other women discredit real claims by falsely crying rape without any real consequence.

And even with all of that, it's still better than it was 10 years ago.  Pretty sad state all around.
2013-03-19 01:16:48 PM
2 votes:
Dafatone: GAT_00: Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.

Someday we'll have a thread on this subject where "cry rape" doesn't get brought up.

Someday.

I'm female, I have a friend who has been raped. My ex was accused of rape by a woman who, as we found out, had a history of "crying rape" or sexual assault whenever she was fired from a job.

farked up, entitled people do exist and instead of just getting thrown out of court she should have been thrown in jail. I've no doubt she's just gone on to do it again.

My ex just wanted the whole thing over with, he was so broken from having to go through it.

Oh well then, your cool-story-sis vignette here proves every strawman argument about crying rape that there ever was, eh?



Yes! Discard any and all "cool stories" that might go against your rigidly held beliefs culled from others' "cool stories"
2013-03-19 11:28:06 AM
2 votes:
Also, when I have been at parties when my friends (of either sex) were black out drunk, my initial reaction was to call a cab and get them home safely, not draw penises on their faces or find someone suitably equipped to "tea bag" them.
2013-03-19 10:53:08 AM
2 votes:
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2013-03-19 10:48:27 AM
2 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: A dude who gets blackout drunk is told to suck it up, and his frat brothers and high school classmates are not called rapists when the pictures get out the next day.

Because Men Are Responsible For Their Actions. Men have the mental fortitude to look out for themselves, and take care of themselves and make decisions for themselves.

Women... do not. And a large segment of the population is most comfortable with women not being responsible for anything.


You are a very damaged individual. Do you have any insight as to why? Have you tried to find out, because I for one would like to find out whatever the hell it was that caused you to view the world this way, so I can have some sort of benefit concert or rubber bracelet campaign in order to ensure it never happens to anyone else.

Seriously, you would like victims to take more ownership of their rape? Acknowledge that everyone did something wrong and both sides can forgive, forget and move on with a smile, because now they have some nice new, amusing rape anecdotes to tell at parties?

Sexual assault is 100% not, never under any circumstances, the responsibility of the raped.
High on shrooms and wandering naked round the bar, stupid thing to do (IMHO) but if you are Sexual assaulted it is still because of the rapist.
Had sex with 4 out of 5 boys at a party and say no to the 5th? Not behaviour I'd personally recommend, but if you are then assaulted it is still because of the rapist.
And, seriously, to claim there is any sort of gender bias at play is completely and utterly insane. The gender of the people doesn't change the one incontrovertible fact of the matter, in any sexual act both (all, if that is your thing) parties must be able to consent. If anyone can't (or doesn't) then stop what you are doing and go find someone who will or a nice inanimate object which doesn't have to.
If the person you are with is too drunk to say yes, that is the same as saying no. If the person you are with is so high they think you are Jim Morrison and it might be a yes... Wait until they land, give them plenty of water and somewhere safe to sleep it off and at some later point, when they are certain of who you are, confirm it was a yes and then have your fun.
Seriously, not raping (or sexually assaulting) people is really easy.
2013-03-19 09:30:58 AM
2 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: She, however, is NOT to be let off the hook.

Again, this is a chick who had morning after regrets because she couldn't pull the 'deny deny deny' card herself. There was proof she ended up with the short end of the stick when she went looking for the trouble she ended up finding.

If there is no investigation of this chick's home life and if she is not put into drug and alcohol rehab, some other dude -- maybe even a silly ass white knight currently saying she's blameless -- is going to end up on the short end of a future stick in relation to her.

/but i forogt: women are eternally blameless


What in the holy f*ck is wrong with you?
2013-03-19 09:29:28 AM
2 votes:
What kind of person sees someone in a helpless state and says, "Cool, I am going to repeatedly assault that person!" What kind of community calls that sort of thing a youthful indiscretion? How do we raise women who think it's okay that men assault women? More importantly, how do we stop this?
2013-03-19 09:14:04 AM
2 votes:

Tat'dGreaser: Are people really trying to use this as a reason to get rid of high school sports?


Just me.

This isn't the on'y reason, IMO.  I really do believe school affiliated sports are a net negative.  That goes for college, too.  I am not opposed to sport, but it needs to be separated from academics.

I am well aware that my opinion is the minority, and likely always will be.
2013-03-19 08:17:36 AM
2 votes:

robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.


So what?  If she is conscious and says "Yes" to the entire basketball team then that is her decision.  If she is passed out and does not give consent then it is no longer her decision.  At that point it is rape.
2013-03-19 07:44:45 AM
2 votes:
As someone who lived in Steubenville for 10 years, this doesn't surprise me one bit.  I went to Catholic Central (Big Red's football "rival"), and then went to Franciscan University of Steubenville there as well.

Trust me, if you spend enough time there you either get sucked in and are stuck there for life, or you run as fast as you can and never look back. From the outside it looks like a lazy, do-nothing town, but once you've been there for a while, it's a frightening place to be.  There is a lot of bad mojo there.

Some of you may recall the case there (almost 15 years ago) where two college students were kidnapped and executed in the area.  Yeah, those were my friends.  They were shot in the head (after quite a bit of torture) for their farking SUV.  I have plenty of other examples of how twisted that place is, but I'm pretty sure this rape case, and the reaction to it, can do the talking for me.

I still have a few "friends" back there, but I haven't been back to see them in a couple of years now.  Every time I drive over the bridge from Weirton to the 'Ville, I always get a knot in my stomach -  it's like returning to the scene of a crime.

/lurker, but had to toss my two cents
//know more about Steubenville than I'd like
///have always wanted to do slashies like the cool kids.
2013-03-19 07:31:16 AM
2 votes:

robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.


Oh well sh*t, cancel that prison sentence and give the kids some medals. This changes everything.
2013-03-19 05:23:39 AM
2 votes:

the ha ha guy: ADHD Librarian: In a situation where someone is impaired by alcohol (yay, teenage party), they are unable to (by law in most jurisdictions) consent to a sexual encounter. If both participants are impaired, how does a legal system decide which one is the rapist?


Easy. The FBI says men can't be victims of rape, therefore it's impossible for the woman to be a rapist.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/frequently-asked-questions/ucr_ fa qs
For UCR reporting purposes, can a male be raped?

No. The UCR Program defines forcible rape as "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will" (p. 19). In addition, "By definition, sexual attacks on males are excluded from the rape category and must be classified as assaults or other sex offenses depending on the nature of the crime and the extent of injury".


That definition is out of date. In 2012, they changed it to "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or  by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." In any event, that definition was used to compile statistics; it didn't have legal force. In jurisdictions using the new definition or something similar, women can rape and men can be raped. Even in those using the old definition, a woman in this situation could be charged with sexual assault, and some degrees of sexual assault would have the same penalties as rape. And some places, like Canada, don't have a specific crime of "rape" - it would be included under sexual assault/aggravated sexual assault, and penetration isn't the issue in determining the crime or the sentence.

In the case of two intoxicated people having sex,  theoretically both could be charged and convicted. But it's important to keep in mind that in most places, it isn't just that fact that someone has been drinking that makes them incapable of consenting. They need to be  significantly impaired, and in practical terms that means if not unconscious, then really quite incoherent/incapacitated. Chances are two people that incapacitated aren't doing much. Then things get really fact-specific - was one of them less impaired than the other? Was one plying the other with drinks? Was one in control of the situation? There may be an assumption (not really a fair one in my opinion) that a man so drunk he can't legally consent can't physically have intercourse, but if such an argument were made in court the defense could counter it with expert witnesses.I  don't actually know of any cases where both people have filed charges against each other (but I haven't really looked at this stuff since law school, which was a while ago). But theoretically  could they both be convicted of the same crime? Sure, at least under Canadian law.
2013-03-19 04:50:01 AM
2 votes:

the ha ha guy: She's either blaming the victim for being raped, or she's blaming the victim for reporting the crime. Either way, she appears to be blaming the victim for not accepting rape as a natural and unavoidable part of life.


It is alas very common for families to unite against people who report childhood sexual abuse. "How dare she send dear old Gramps to prison?"
2013-03-19 04:38:11 AM
2 votes:

doglover: It will if you accuse someone with enough money to hire a lawyer worth their salt.


One word, relevance. Any time a defense attorney starts digging into whoever was the victim, in a burglary, theft etc the prosecutor just objects citing a lack of relevance. Because it's not relevant. And not going to find many judges who'd overrule the objection, cause they damn well it's not relevant. The one place where it somehow doesn't hold up is rape cases. Or at least in holds up in fewer court rooms. There are judges around who will make due with a single warning about trying to take shots at the character of the victim and if the defense attorney doesn't follow along, it starts getting expensive.
2013-03-19 04:23:32 AM
2 votes:

OgreMagi: Skyday: You trolls (future trolls...and past trolls in the other thread) are aware there are Farkettes (including myself) (and Farkers) that have been raped.  Show some respect.  Nothing but love here, yeah!?  <3

Or had someone close to them raped and saw the psychological damage that stayed with her for years and will always be lingering in the back of her mind, no matter what.


To be fair, there's likely some rapists here too.
2013-03-19 03:40:24 AM
2 votes:

rynthetyn: Your approach is also why women who are raped carry massive amounts of unwarranted guilt with them for years--they've been programmed to believe that if they don't get the crap beat out of them then it's partly their fault because they didn't resist enough


I get where you're coming from, but we can't simply lock up everyone at whom a finger is pointed. The presumption of innocence is especially important for such emotionally charged cases.
2013-03-19 03:02:25 AM
2 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."


See, the problem most people have is right here.  They think the default is Yes until she says No.  The actual default is No, and even though she can say Yes, that Yes can be revoked at any time before full consummation.

The fine line is whether the man was led to believe an encounter was consensual, but she later regretted it (This, I believe, was the crux of the Kobe Bryant case and at least one of the Roethlisberger cases). In this case, it doesn't even get close to that line; it never even got out of the default No, and by law it couldn't have even if she said Yes.
2013-03-19 02:55:10 AM
2 votes:
Some of these comments here and other threads remind me when the world cup was in south africa and it seemed like the news just kinda said women are gonna get raped so you may as well  protect yourself, the whole time I was wondering is it really just that inevitable...and were pushing these devices on people, not sure that the device was even real

gistville.com
2013-03-19 02:53:47 AM
2 votes:

cardex: to blame the girl is 17% and her parents are 50% for not teaching her not to get shiat face drunk and farking every guy in town


You might want to get your moral compass degaussed.
2013-03-19 02:44:56 AM
2 votes:

Snarfangel: WTF is wrong with some people? And girls? Not just misanthropic basement-dwelling Cheeto-stained football nuts?


On of the reason that other girls (and women) are often the most vocal when it comes to victim shaming is a rather unfortunate quirk of human psychology. When (some) girls look at this situation they see something which seems familiar to them, they too have had too much to drink at a party or trusted some boy more than they should. Yet, they have not been raped. Rather than look at this as normal (seriously girls, most of us men have a 100% success in not raping anyone), or as fortunate (yes, not 100% of men manage to die without having raped someone), the human brain tries to find a reason. So, 'obviously' they were not raped when they passed out at the party because {{insert rationalisation here}}. t may be because they 'didn't dress like that' or didn't 'lead them on' or 'flirt' or because everyone knows they are not like 'that'...
As such, their own sense of security comes from a fallacy of their own imagining which requires the rape victim to have had some hand in her own situation. After all, if it isn't partially her fault, why, it is almost like it could happen to anyone?

/As an interesting aside though (and I asked this question myself during a recent training session on counselling teenagers on matters of sexuality, but no one could (or would?) answer it clearly. Too many lawyers in the room for anyone to offer a free opinion).
In a situation where someone is impaired by alcohol (yay, teenage party), they are unable to (by law in most jurisdictions) consent to a sexual encounter. If both participants are impaired, how does a legal system decide which one is the rapist? Or, could it be (like with teenage self portraits) that one person can be both the victim AND the perpetrator of the crime?
//I am not saying that the situation with these two boys is such a case
///sometimes it is bloody obvious who the perpetrator(s) is (are)
2013-03-19 02:31:05 AM
2 votes:
http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

This has to be the saddest tumblr I have ever found. Humanity blows.
2013-03-19 02:25:56 AM
2 votes:

cardex: She has every right to say no up to the point it's over, not 2 weeks later then decide it was rape not defending the guys but in this place they are only 33% to blame the girl is 17% and her parents are 50% for not teaching her not to get shiat face drunk and farking every guy in town


Assholes, assholes everywhere.
2013-03-19 02:23:27 AM
2 votes:
In the high school halls
In the shopping malls
Conform or be cast out
Subdivisions --
In the basement bars
In the backs of cars
Be cool or be cast out
2013-03-19 02:21:22 AM
2 votes:

Dafatone: GAT_00: Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.

Someday we'll have a thread on this subject where "cry rape" doesn't get brought up.

Someday.


It happens. Nobody knows how often it happens, but it definitely happens. While the words "cry rape" are pretty insensitive, the fact remains that it is hard to prove that any particular woman was "date raped". (God, how I hate that term.)
So, WTF can we do about it? We can't assume that any accuser is automatically telling the truth. We can't assume that any accuser is automatically lying. We can't assume that any accuser is automatically exaggerating. We can't read their f*cking minds. Polygraphs are inadmissible in court, for what I can only assume are good reasons. The only thing I know to do is to tell girls to fight. At least if there are physical injuries, there is evidence. Punch, claw, scratch, kick, bite. And accept that you might get your face irreparably smashed in, or your life abruptly ended. WTF, that doesn't work, either.
2013-03-19 02:15:34 AM
2 votes:

cmb53208: If you follow high school sports as an adult, you need to get a farking life.


They have lives, just not ones they like. For a lot of the hardcore high school football fans in my hometown, their days playing ball were the best their lives were or ever will get. Once they realized they wouldn't be Super Bowl heroes by age 20, they settled into a slow boil of a crap job, an annoying wife, dumb kids, and no hope for escape.

Those ten Friday nights a year are practically all they have.
2013-03-19 02:09:26 AM
2 votes:

GAT_00: Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.


Someday we'll have a thread on this subject where "cry rape" doesn't get brought up.

Someday.
2013-03-19 02:03:16 AM
2 votes:

BunkoSquad: It's basically time to burn Steubenville to the ground and salt the earth so nothing grows again there, isn't it?


If you've ever been to Stuebenville, you'd know it'd been time for the last 50 years.
2013-03-19 02:03:10 AM
2 votes:
farking Ohio. Gotta get outta there.

Seriously, actual humanity has no place here. Just jocksniffing meatheads and the people that blow them. Steubenville is just Columbus and Cleveland and Cinci writ smaller.

If some OSU shiatball was stupid enough to videotape him and his buddies gang raping some passed out coed, the city would riot if you tried to convict them. I'm not even kidding. Bro culture rules supreme here and if you don't constantly suck frat bro/football bro cock constantly, you are basically an outsider.
2013-03-19 01:53:15 AM
2 votes:

SilentStrider: Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh, just stick around in the thread. You'll see lots here. Not to mention CNN, who made the story about how two young men's promising athletic careers would be ruined by the verdict.

Makes me farking sick.

Oh I lurked in the verdict thread. I saw enough to last a lifetime.


I posted some in the thread about CNN's coverage, but then couldn't stick around because it was making me hate humanity.
2013-03-19 01:36:24 AM
2 votes:
Wow, high profile case, then you threaten the victim. Gaining unwanted negative attention didn't cross their minds?!
2013-03-19 01:33:14 AM
2 votes:
Steubenville: I live (relatively) right up the road, and I am ashamed.

/don't blame the place, blame the ignorant people.
//jocks and athletic supporters (pun intended) are assholes.
2013-03-19 01:27:04 AM
2 votes:
I mean, you can't teach empathy or class, but for Christ's sake why haven't these soulless assholes learned to stop posting this shiat on the internet!
2013-03-19 01:22:38 AM
2 votes:
2013-03-19 12:39:33 AM
2 votes:

Snarfangel: You're mad because I used "misanthropic" in a sentence, aren't you.


No, I'm mad because of the double standard of a rape case.  Not at you.

BTW, though - and this is not snark, it's a continuation on your point - do you think things would be different if it were a case of a man being raped?  I thought men were really terrible to male rape victims.
2013-03-19 12:05:30 AM
2 votes:
So does this mean we can legally rape the tweeters?

I mean after we sufficiently ply them with alcohol of course.
2013-03-19 12:03:32 AM
2 votes:
WTF is wrong with some people? And girls? Not just misanthropic basement-dwelling Cheeto-stained football nuts?
2013-03-20 01:00:04 PM
1 votes:

TopoGigo: It happens. Nobody knows how often it happens, but it definitely happens. While the words "cry rape" are pretty insensitive, the fact remains that it is hard to prove that any particular woman was "date raped". (God, how I hate that term.)
So, WTF can we do about it? We can't assume that any accuser is automatically telling the truth. We can't assume that any accuser is automatically lying. We can't assume that any accuser is automatically exaggerating. We can't read their f*cking minds. Polygraphs are inadmissible in court, for what I can only assume are good reasons. The only thing I know to do is to tell girls to fight. At least if there are physical injuries, there is evidence. Punch, claw, scratch, kick, bite. And accept that you might get your face irreparably smashed in, or your life abruptly ended. WTF, that doesn't work, either.


Fighting might not always be the best idea.  Fighting back might cause the rapist to get more enraged and apply enough force to strangle, crush or suffocate the victim.
I reiterate, this rule does not apply to all cases, but I can understand that the victim might be too afraid instinctually to try to fight back, especially if there is an extreme mismatch of power.  If those instincts kick in, it is probably better to not fight back.
Maybe the victim might be more concerned about surviving than she or he would about not looking guilty.

The fighting back scenario also rules out rape while being in a compromising situation: drunk, asleep, high, comatose, etc.  I know there are people who say "Well she shouldn't have been drinking" but other people have no right to molest the compromised person when drunk.
2013-03-20 10:29:45 AM
1 votes:

precious_crotchflake: thisone: Dafatone: GAT_00: Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.

Someday we'll have a thread on this subject where "cry rape" doesn't get brought up.

Someday.

I'm female, I have a friend who has been raped. My ex was accused of rape by a woman who, as we found out, had a history of "crying rape" or sexual assault whenever she was fired from a job.

farked up, entitled people do exist and instead of just getting thrown out of court she should have been thrown in jail. I've no doubt she's just gone on to do it again.

My ex just wanted the whole thing over with, he was so broken from having to go through it.

Oh well then, your cool-story-sis vignette here proves every strawman argument about crying rape that there ever was, eh?


As a woman, her story of what happened is not unusual.
Some women use sex to get what they want.
The cry of rape is the other side of that coin.
2013-03-19 07:30:20 PM
1 votes:
The hell is wrong with that place? Is there something in the water? Is there some secret government brainwashing program going on that makes everyone that live there a blithering idiot, and a disgrace to the human race? I cannot understand those two retarded failures of humanity getting any sympathy at all. I don't wish ill will on people, but I couldn't care less if they get raped while locked up. You reap what you sow. I am really hoping there is a lot of poorly worded miscommunication going around, and any sympathy is the fact they made a huge mistake that will follow them the rest of their lives. Even then it would be sympathy for their potential, but people evil enough to rape drunk girls really don't have a lot of potential to begin with. So I'm at a loss all around.
2013-03-19 07:07:20 PM
1 votes:

superdude72: WTF is up with kids posting this shiat from their Twitter accounts. Is it *that hard* to use email? Or for something that truly needs to remain private, a note tied to a brick and thrown through a window?


Personally, I hope the people who would do this NEVER learn to threaten anyone anonymously. Like the rapists, had it not been for their own stupidity using the social media and smartphones to record what they did, they might never have been caught and punished. I would love to live in a world where an assault like this would have never taken place, but I know that's never going to happen.  Sooooo....if people in this world are determined to hurt one another, I hope the ones that do, will make mistakes like this each and every time so that it will make finding them all the easier.
2013-03-19 04:20:28 PM
1 votes:

stonicus: ADHD Librarian: So, if the 'voiceless men of the world' are your concern, express your concern by shouting down any people, any laws and any Farkers who are apologists for rapist. When a woman has her day in court don't moan that a man didn't but say loudly "good, I'm glad that rapist got his comeuppance" and see if you can help create a society where no one would stand around and watch something like this happen. It shouldn't take too much work, because most people seem to be able to hold a party and have a drink without raping anyone and it can't be much of a stretch to go from not raping anyone to being willing to stop any rapes you see.

Much easier said than done...

On a different note... It's just anecdotal, but I've yet to meet a woman in my life who says she hasn't been a victim of sexual assault at some point in her life.  Not one.


Bullshiat.  You are surrounding yourself with attention whores.  Regret does not equal rape.  Also, more men are raped in the US per year then women.  Know your facts.
2013-03-19 03:39:12 PM
1 votes:

quickdraw: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 610x610]
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Oh, if only that "we all" part were true... But, it's obvious from these sort of threads that it's not...
2013-03-19 03:18:14 PM
1 votes:
Teenagers do stupid things and when they are around other teens, the level of stupid cannot be measured.  I have seen my own teen do things as part of a group that he knows full well are wrong (just like his parents did at his age). The BIG difference is he knows he did something dumb and is sorry.

These sociopaths didn't just humilate and rape another teen, they posted it - and the pics/videos were still there the next day.  No remorse.  No guilt.  I don't care how drunk they were.... some things you just know are wrong no matter how drunk you are.
2013-03-19 02:55:53 PM
1 votes:

stonicus: How soon before lying to a girl invalidates her giving of consent and turns the act into rape


That's already in place bubba... California has it listed as The defendant induced the victim to engage in sexual intercourse by making a fraudulent representation.
2013-03-19 02:43:36 PM
1 votes:

ADHD Librarian: But as so many people have pointed out, plenty of women are ignored (given the gender ratio of victims, probably more women are ignored than men) doesn't make it right but isn't the take home message 'listen when someone says they were raped' rather than making it somehow about gender?



It wouldn't be about gender at all if people would stop making it a farking joke. But across nearly all facets of society, including female rape victims, female-on-male rape is practically celebrated. So without acknowledging the gender discrepancy, how is that ever going to change?
2013-03-19 02:40:14 PM
1 votes:

Peekachicka: Just because people put themselves in certain situations doesnt mean they should be taken advantage of. No one should be shot just because they wear the color blue, no one should be kidnapped because they were walking home from school alone,

and no one should be raped just because they had too much to drink.

And no one should be sold a house with an adjustable mortgage that will balloon out of control just because they don't understand complex finance law.  The line we draw on where our obligation to protect our fellow man vs. enact our own interests is so arbitrary.

How soon before lying to a girl invalidates her giving of consent and turns the act into rape?  Meet a girl, hit it off, several dates later, she gives consent because she thinks you're a fine catch and she wants to pursue a relationship with you.  After the deed, she finds out your married.  Did you violate her ability to give consent?  How are lies different from alcohol when it comes to that person's ability to process consent?
2013-03-19 02:30:25 PM
1 votes:

ADHD Librarian: So, if the 'voiceless men of the world' are your concern, express your concern by shouting down any people, any laws and any Farkers who are apologists for rapist. When a woman has her day in court don't moan that a man didn't but say loudly "good, I'm glad that rapist got his comeuppance" and see if you can help create a society where no one would stand around and watch something like this happen. It shouldn't take too much work, because most people seem to be able to hold a party and have a drink without raping anyone and it can't be much of a stretch to go from not raping anyone to being willing to stop any rapes you see.


Much easier said than done...

On a different note... It's just anecdotal, but I've yet to meet a woman in my life who says she hasn't been a victim of sexual assault at some point in her life.  Not one.
2013-03-19 02:27:31 PM
1 votes:

ADHD Librarian: Is she not entitled to her day in court until you feel that enough men have had their say?



My argument is against the social, legal, and political standards that allow the police to deny rape in the first place. When the police refuse to press charges against a man, it's bad. When they refuse to press charges against a woman, it's equally bad. But in the eyes of most of society, one of these is completely acceptable, even celebrated to an extent.
2013-03-19 02:15:38 PM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: /but i forogt: women are eternally blameless the unconscious cannot give consent, or put another way

, unconsciousness is not a license to rape.

Fixed that for you, ya sociopath.
2013-03-19 01:53:32 PM
1 votes:

ADHD Librarian: Your 'facts' are manifestly untrue. The conviction rate where the victim is male is higher than when the victim is female.



The conviction rate only measures those who make it into court. But when the police make threats against the victim for daring to go against the status quo, the case never makes into court in the first place.
2013-03-19 01:51:12 PM
1 votes:

precious_crotchflake: Actually, GAT_00 really DID argue that it's worse for men.  Quoted verbatim.


The context was clear that he was referring to the reaction to the crime, not the crime itself.

GAT_00: As bad as it still is for women who are victims of rape, it is actually worse if a man gets raped by a woman.  The almost universal reaction is of disbelief.

Both genders have it bad, but only one is eligible for support after the fact.

When a female rape victim is threatened when trying to press charges, it makes national news. When a male rape victim is threatened when trying to press charges, the reaction is "why would you want to ruin the life of that sweet innocent girl" (actual quote from a "support" hotline after the police refused to help).
2013-03-19 01:24:51 PM
1 votes:

cardex: not defending the guys


Yes, you are.

It's pretty hard to "consent" or "say no" or do much of anything blameworthy when you're farking unconscious.

So, have you heard that one of these fine student-athletes offered three dollars to any of his teammates who would piss on the girl while she was vomiting in the street?  And that more than a few got their three dollars?

Not that you would "defend" such people, heaven forbid.
2013-03-19 01:10:20 PM
1 votes:

precious_crotchflake: Oh lovely, the "my victimhood is so much worse than yours" b.s. followed by a healthy helping of MRA propaganda b.s.
How about we all just say it probably really sucks for everyone,  and stop trying to compare victimhood wangs. Can we do that?



When a woman presses charges against a man for rape, the man usually goes to jail.

When a man presses charges against a woman for rape, the police will usually threaten the man with filing a false police report.

Nobody is arguing that the action itself is worse for men (I'd argue that it's worse for women), but men are practically unable to press charges in the first place.
2013-03-19 01:00:54 PM
1 votes:

jso2897: Actually, no. In most places, you don't have to be "passed out drunk" to be unable to consent, you only have to be "impaired", to legally be unable to consent.

If you're sober enough to get a hardon, you're sober enough to be responsible for what you do with it.


Consider lesbian rape.
2013-03-19 12:48:36 PM
1 votes:
Can anyone clarify what exactly happened during "the act"?  All the news reports I've read throw the word "rape" around like candy at a parade, and then don't actually talk about what legally constituted the rape.  The NYT summary indicates one of the boys played with her titties and stuck his finger in her hooha.  Did one of them actually use their penis and penetrate her butthole or hooha?

And I'm going to pose a question, or discussion instigation, which will completely piss off a bunch of people and probably have me labeled a rape apologist or some other BS.  But here's the moral conundrum I'm posing, based on what I know about the actual act, and some assumptions to make it more arguable:

Apparently the girl was completely unconscious and unaware of what was going on and she didn't have any recollection of the act.
Assume the guy(s) penetrated her with his dong in her butthole/hooha, but not excessively or forcibly, perhaps gently, in such a way that resulted in no physical damage to the girl.
This results in a situation where, after the act, the girl is completely emotionally/mentally and physically unaffected and unharmed by the act. If you didn't tell her it happened, she'd have no clue it ever happened.  Her future life would be unaffected by the act.  We're talking just the act here and the effect of the act, not the effect of the social media blowup and trial, etc.
In such a situation (given the above assumptions) is the act morally wrong?  Has the girl been wronged?  Should the guy(s) be penalized?  How significantly?

Is the above situation any morally different than: drawing a penis on your passed out friend's forehead?  shaving your friend's head hair off while they're passed out drunk?  clipping your friend's toenails while they're passed out drunk?

If you ignore moral preconceptions, is it any different than the above scenarios?
2013-03-19 12:46:44 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Benevolent Misanthrope: Snarfangel: You're mad because I used "misanthropic" in a sentence, aren't you.

No, I'm mad because of the double standard of a rape case.  Not at you.

BTW, though - and this is not snark, it's a continuation on your point - do you think things would be different if it were a case of a man being raped?  I thought men were really terrible to male rape victims.

As bad as it still is for women who are victims of rape, it is actually worse if a man gets raped by a woman.  The almost universal reaction is of disbelief.

Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.  Women get harassed for making a claim quite often, and other women discredit real claims by falsely crying rape without any real consequence.

And even with all of that, it's still better than it was 10 years ago.  Pretty sad state all around.


Oh lovely, the "my victimhood is so much worse than yours" b.s. followed by a healthy helping of MRA propaganda b.s.
How about we all just say it probably really sucks for everyone,  and stop trying to compare victimhood wangs. Can we do that?
2013-03-19 12:45:11 PM
1 votes:

CeroX: Seasons I'v Withered: My daughter was raped by a football player @ 14 . You know what the cops said? But --- But hes a star football player,do you really want to do this?

Farking Canton ,Ohio

Now ya know
They take that shait seriously

And that's exactly what i was talking about earlier... if the rapist had been a basement dwelling D&D nerd, the police would have raided the house in full SWAT gear and it wouldn't have made national news because no one cares about the skeevy D&D nerd and he doesn't contribute to the reputation or success of the school and by proxy the city, where as Bret McQuaterback the Rapist gets community cover up for his rapes because he's the local celebrity, and everyone knows that when you try and expose a flaw in a greek hero, it's going to make the news and then the shiat storm begins...


But he's the quarterback.  It can't possibly be rape.  What girl says no to the quarterback?
2013-03-19 12:39:47 PM
1 votes:

Seasons I'v Withered: My daughter was raped by a football player @ 14 . You know what the cops said? But --- But hes a star football player,do you really want to do this?

Farking Canton ,Ohio

Now ya know
They take that shait seriously


And that's exactly what i was talking about earlier... if the rapist had been a basement dwelling D&D nerd, the police would have raided the house in full SWAT gear and it wouldn't have made national news because no one cares about the skeevy D&D nerd and he doesn't contribute to the reputation or success of the school and by proxy the city, where as Bret McQuaterback the Rapist gets community cover up for his rapes because he's the local celebrity, and everyone knows that when you try and expose a flaw in a greek hero, it's going to make the news and then the shiat storm begins...
2013-03-19 12:34:38 PM
1 votes:

PunGent: the ha ha guy: ADHD Librarian: In a situation where someone is impaired by alcohol (yay, teenage party), they are unable to (by law in most jurisdictions) consent to a sexual encounter. If both participants are impaired, how does a legal system decide which one is the rapist?


Easy. The FBI says men can't be victims of rape, therefore it's impossible for the woman to be a rapist.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/frequently-asked-questions/ucr_ fa qs
For UCR reporting purposes, can a male be raped?

No. The UCR Program defines forcible rape as "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will" (p. 19). In addition, "By definition, sexual attacks on males are excluded from the rape category and must be classified as assaults or other sex offenses depending on the nature of the crime and the extent of injury".


You skipped 20)  "By definition, sexual attacks on males are excluded from the rape category and must be classified as assaults or other sex offenses depending on the nature of the crime and the extent of injury"



I didn't skip it, you skipped reading it in my post.
2013-03-19 11:39:32 AM
1 votes:

quickdraw: ADHD Librarian:

/As an interesting aside though (and I asked this question myself during a recent training session on counselling teenagers on matters of sexuality, but no one could (or would?) answer it clearly. Too many lawyers in the room for anyone to offer a free opinion).
In a situation where someone is impaired by alcohol (yay, teenage party), they are unable to (by law in most jurisdictions) consent to a sexual encounter. If both participants are impaired, how does a legal system decide which one is the rapist? Or, could it be (like with teenage self portraits) that one person can be both the victim AND the perpetrator of the crime?

A rape is not a sexual encounter. If you understand it as just another form of physical assault then it's pretty straightforward. The perpetrator is solely at fault and cannot be a victim.


accept according to the LAW, minors are incapable of giving consent... so that person's point, is that LEGALLY speaking, 2 people who are 14 who have sex, are, by LAW incapable of consensual sex, therefore, WHO is the rapist by LEGAL definition?

This isn't your opinion, OR the opinion of the general populace... we ALL know that if someone forces or coerces themselves on a person who didn't consent to sex that it's rape... but there are soft issues, such as 2 people who the law says are incapable of making a consensual sexual decisions... so who's "at fault"? The law simply turns a blind eye to those situations or it criminalizes the males because males are defaulted as the aggressor where women are concerned...

So put aside YOUR opinion and look at the law as it is written

Seriously, i hope you are never on jury, you can't seem to look at the law objectively, and certainly incapable of looking at rape objectively, and more than willing to sling mud at those of us who look at rape from a legal standpoint and therefore look at the cases objectively... Just come out and admit that you are incapable of having a rational objective conversation about rape and politely excuse yourself from the conversation and let those who understand debate play on the internet...
2013-03-19 11:36:38 AM
1 votes:

CeroX: You know what's laughable about this entire thread...

The biggest point about being black out drunk are the people who think when someone says "Don't get black out drunk or you could get raped"

is interpreting that as "that internet meanie says black out drunk is asking for rape so it's blaming the victim and justifying rape culture"

when the reality is:

It's not asking to get raped, no one asks to get raped... And it's not implied... What the reality is, it opens the door of opportunistic rapists to rape... To them, it's an opportunity, one they couldn't take if the playing field was leveled. That makes them cowardly scum rapists instead of aggressive asshole rapists...

No one is justifying what they did except controversy stirring media shills... And no one is BLAMING the victim...
....

We are trying to help people not get raped... it's not easy to identify rapists, they don't dress in special clothes, there's no gang signs or colors for rapists, and they don't walk around with raging rapist hard ons... so we advise, rapists could be anywhere, and we don't want you to get raped, so please don't get so drunk you pass out, because you might not get raped the first time, or the fifth time, but the risk of getting raped is probably hundreds of times higher than when you aren't passed out...

Risky behavior is a numbers game before something catastrophic happens... just ask Steve Irwin
 ...

Exactly, no one asks to be stabbed in the chest by a stingray, but if you swim around the barrier reef half naked, it's just a matter of time!

how is that any different? yeah no one should be raped, freakin obviously, but when you can't know or trust those around you you should never let yourself, an underage girl, drink yourself into a blackout. that's just idiotic because then you're at the mercy of whoever else is there and it's just a matter of time until it happens when someone with equally impaired judgement is there to take advantage. I'm not "blaming the victim" so don't even claim that I am, but in this case  she can't be completely absolved either.
2013-03-19 11:36:37 AM
1 votes:

ADHD Librarian: quickdraw: ADHD Librarian:

/As an interesting aside though (and I asked this question myself during a recent training session on counselling teenagers on matters of sexuality, but no one could (or would?) answer it clearly. Too many lawyers in the room for anyone to offer a free opinion).
In a situation where someone is impaired by alcohol (yay, teenage party), they are unable to (by law in most jurisdictions) consent to a sexual encounter. If both participants are impaired, how does a legal system decide which one is the rapist? Or, could it be (like with teenage self portraits) that one person can be both the victim AND the perpetrator of the crime?

A rape is not a sexual encounter. If you understand it as just another form of physical assault then it's pretty straightforward. The perpetrator is solely at fault and cannot be a victim.

Not going to argue with that at all. In fact I will agree with you 100%.
But I suspect you have misconstrued my point. No problem, I write in a very awkward style so I will try and keep the myriad of commas under control and rephrase...

Given that (at least here where I am) a person who is impaired by alcohol cannot consent to sex and (again, where I am) sex without consent is rape (it seems from some discussions this is not always the case, so lets assume I am using rape/sexual assault interchangeably as a colloquial, rather than legal definition).
Umm,
Take 3...
If sex without consent is rape and an intoxicated person cannot consent, what happens when 2 intoxicated people have a sexual encounter. Are they both rapists and also both victims?
I asked the question in a training course because as someone who works with young people I felt that there was an ambiguity in the language and teenagers do not always deal well with ambiguity.
I mentioned it here as an aside (and probably shouldn't as it was not pertinent to this case, well, perhaps except in the sense that when only 1 of you is conscious such technicalities are irrelevant ...


Ignoring that both people are drunk, are they both willing participants? Or is one doing most/all of the work?
2013-03-19 11:26:35 AM
1 votes:
i.imgur.com

/Well, there's your problem
2013-03-19 11:18:12 AM
1 votes:

CeroX: The argument about pass out drinking is this:
It doesn't matter if you are male, or female, getting so drunk you pass out is an opportunity for scumbags


No it isn't. In social environments where rape is considered unacceptable raping an unconscious person is not seen as an easy opportunity because the people around you will object.
2013-03-19 10:41:06 AM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Jorn the Younger: Honest question: Do you actually not recognise the difference between drawing someone with a sharpie and sexual assault?  Because that seems to be what you're saying here.   "Yes a girl was raped, but someone drew a Hitler mustache on me when I passed out, that's just as bad!"


I recognize there are two different rules, one for each gender, which is illustrated by HotWingConspiracy's court case of the LSU fan versus the Alabama fan whether HWC wants to acknowledge it or not.

As for drawing on a drunken person, the drunken person did not consent.  By making exceptions to the rule, one confuses the rules.  Either all shenanigans involving the drunken are off-limits, or none are.  Trying to parse shiat with 'well, this isn't as bad as this' always leads to differences of opinions about what's a Big Deal and what isn't.

And, again, if the guys were also drunk, all bets should be off. Except that they aren't.  Suck it up.


Ok, so you don't understand the difference.  Thanks for answering.

So you know, referring to rape as "shenanigans" isn't going to win you very many friends.
2013-03-19 10:30:33 AM
1 votes:
I live here, and I hate to say this, but.....

It's Ohio, these girls doing this to the victim, and the fact that football seems more important than someone being victimized is not surprising. Sad to say it, but that's Ohio.


Please someone help sponsor us normal people to leave this state, please!!!! (Then Nuke the hell out of it.)
2013-03-19 10:27:26 AM
1 votes:

CWeinerWV: The apologists seem to not be familiar with the details of the case.


Has an excellent timeline (excellent but disgusting).

Long story short.  She was pass out drunk, unable to talk coherently at a minimum, when the sexual acts began...including the flashing of her breasts for her, leaving her topless in the middle of the street, taking pics of her, penetrating her on multiple occasions with fingers, and peeing on her.  And those are just the things confirmed by those who didn't do that acts.  The other stuff rumored to have happened (by people tweeting at the time) included slapping her with their genitals on camera, anal sex.
2013-03-19 10:25:07 AM
1 votes:

Therion: I say we take off and nuke the entire site (Ohio) from orbit, just to be sure.


As a lifelong Ohio resident, I'm strangely comfortable with this.

Gimme a couple days notice so I can move the gf, her cat, and both of our computers and immediate families out first, though.  Oh, and the coffee stash.

/because coffee
2013-03-19 10:08:38 AM
1 votes:
The apologists seem to not be familiar with the details of the case.

Also, there's plenty of statements to indicate the girl may have been drugged.  Not proof enough to be argued sufficiently in the trial, but this should at least be considered as a possibility.  The timeline from being completely fine to blackout drunk was a little to narrow for my tastes.  All this social media crap is timestamped, and people made statements about her being completely sober not long before all this went down.  Nothing stays under wraps here.   The victim herself told people she thought she was drugged.  Even if it's not true, shouldn't we consider that we don't know this was a simple case of someone drinking themselves into a blackout?  And this whole "she deserves some blame" crap.  Sure maybe she does, for blacking out, for the hangover I'm sure she had, if maybe someone drew a penis on her face, but for the rape of her lifeless body? And I bet I probably shouldn't wear short skirts either, right? Seriously, just keep that opinion to yourself or go back to 4chan with the other monkeys.

I mean, before we start slut-shaming someone and blaming her for being raped, take a second to think that there's lots of information that got lost with the gross purposeful mishandling of this case before outside authorities stepped in.
2013-03-19 10:04:24 AM
1 votes:

The Muthaship: Tat'dGreaser: Are people really trying to use this as a reason to get rid of high school sports?

Just me.

This isn't the on'y reason, IMO.  I really do believe school affiliated sports are a net negative.  That goes for college, too.  I am not opposed to sport, but it needs to be separated from academics.

I am well aware that my opinion is the minority, and likely always will be.


I am with you on this.
Education is for what it is and you would do well to eliminate sports and teach martial arts to all from kindergarten on up.
Also, teach logic. From simple Aristotle up to existential.

Tell me after 18 years of learning martial arts and logic you would be fooled into voting for a moran, bullied by a do-nut muncher, or unable to get a job writing code.
Heck, You would probably not over spend your paycheck, either.

What kind of a nation would it be if morons couldn't get elected, Bullies were stood up to and everyone had a job?
2013-03-19 10:03:57 AM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Jizz Master Zero: I don't know why people don't like these threads. It provides a wonderful opportunity to cull idiots like cardex from the herd.

It's really very simple: the object of your desire doesn't have to say no, they have to say yes. If they're passing out or have passed out at any point in the night, they're too drunk to consent, even if they come to later and seem okay. Period. End of discussion. There's no room for debate. There's no gray area. It's black and white, plain and simple. Any, "Aw, but she shouldn't have gotten drunk," or, "Her parents shouldn't have let her out," is just bullshiat rationalization and irrelevant, seeing as, you know, someone was interacted with sexually without consent. That's the magic word here, kiddies: Consent. When it comes to sexual interactions, there's no wiggle room, no allowance for interpretation. It has to be absolute. It's absolutely pathetic that this still has to be spelled out.

If everybody is drunk,
then why are men responsible for their yeses and noes
but women are not?

How many of the kids at that party were sober?
How many of the accused, those who stood around and those who participated,
were sober?

Again, Men Are Responsible.  Women Are Never Responsible.
Men are ultimately capable of consent at all times.
Women are ultimately rarely capable of consent at the best of times.

Those two young men who got drunk while underaged are now going to be sex offenders and go to Big Boy jail after juvie.  Because A Man Must Face Up To His Responsibilities.  They farked up.  To the pokie they go.

Women don't.  Women are children, and are to be treated as such.  They know not what they do, even when they do, because a Man is just that much more mentally capable of handling life, pressure, and consequences.

Women are not.

So yeah, they farked up.  So did she, though.  Her consequences are not as cut and dried as theirs, though.  The pushback is against declaring her blameless for her own situation.


Saved in RED as "Possible Rapist"
2013-03-19 09:41:29 AM
1 votes:
As for rape apologists: the only rape apologists are those who accept any accusation without any filters, and without trial for the accused. You know, the folk who honestly believe that a rape accusation is meaningless to the person who has been accused because no 'victim' lies.

Except that isnt the case here. There were a room full of boys laughing about the crime as it was going on. There were photos of the passed out girl. You're white-knighting a situation that did not exist, except in your head. Which says something.
2013-03-19 09:30:17 AM
1 votes:

CeroX: quickdraw: The Muthaship: quickdraw: The Muthaship: Football is fine.  Hell, all sports are fine.  They just need to be removed from schools.

It's not the football that's the problem. It's the rape. If you took all the sports out of all the schools in the world there would still be just as much rape.

It takes away a motive to cover it up.

No it doesn't. Rape is a crime. It is a crime that happens in many different places every day. It is just like other crimes such as theft or battery. The motive of the cover-up is to avoid prison time. No one wants their kid to go to prison.

cover up from parents yes, cover up from the community because they had "promising football careers" not so much... look at how the community in stubs is treating the victim, had the rapists been D&D nerds, i doubt the community would be as supportive of the rapists...

None of that is relevant to it being a crime and being a crime is not the question, the question is why the community, CNN, and other people on twitter are demonizing the vic, and the obvious answer is that it's because those kids were local high school football stars... They were the big fish in the little pond and to them, the school reputation, the school's chances for state, were all "ruined by that slut" because petty shallow people put more importance on school spirit and elevating the football player to greek hero status than for care on a life shattering crime... and THAT is carried on the back of highschool football...


No it's not. The same media response happens in ALL rape cases. Just like there is always some yokel who comes into every fark thread blathering about how people are often falsely accused of rape. The rape apologists are everywhere in every strata of our culture. What we don't usually have is video of the rape itself to make it clear that the target wasn't giving mixed signals.

The media frenzy is because of the video and the absolute undeniably guilty status of the rapists. A similar frenzy would have happened if the video had been taken anywhere else. The multiracial aspect of the case adds to the hype. In short. They are trolling.
2013-03-19 09:28:09 AM
1 votes:
Then there was the ever present football-player rapist . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO8vBVUaKvk

Coincidence?  I think not.
2013-03-19 09:21:37 AM
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mock26: robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.

So what?  If she is conscious and says "Yes" to the entire basketball team then that is her decision.  If she is passed out and does not give consent then it is no longer her decision.  At that point it is rape.

That first part isn't true.  All she has to do is claim that she felt forced or afraid and that's why she said yes and spread her legs and suddenly the whole basketball team is marked as rapists.


Or alternatively, they walk away without a mark and people start referring to the accuser as a doorknob and such. But I suppose that even happens post conviction for a sexual assault that was recorded and bragged about, amirite?
2013-03-19 07:58:53 AM
1 votes:

Millennium: here we have yet another town that needs to have football taken away (looking at you, Penn State). If significant numbers of people will defend known predators because football, then the community does not deserve to have it, and, indeed, needs to have it taken away so that the local culture can deal with its corruption.


This.

PSU should have had football nuked, and so should this town.
Let them idolize embroiderers or upholsterers.
2013-03-19 07:55:53 AM
1 votes:

BunkoSquad: It's basically time to burn Steubenville to the ground and salt the earth so nothing grows again there, isn't it?


I don't know about that, but here we have yet another town that needs to have football taken away (looking at you, Penn State). If significant numbers of people will defend known predators because football, then the community does not deserve to have it, and, indeed, needs to have it taken away so that the local culture can deal with its corruption.
2013-03-19 07:43:09 AM
1 votes:
So, so very late to the thread, but I just finished reading a book titled Woman's Inhumanity to Woman and it certainly touched on this phenomenon- females ganging up on a female victim. It doesn't really explain why this happens, except some double standard that girls and boys grow through and doesn't really explain how to fix. Except by learning to communicate in a more forthright fashion. We seem to have a kind of evil cunning.
2013-03-19 07:43:05 AM
1 votes:

CeroX: TopoGigo: robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.

Cool Story, Bro Disgusting Example of a Human Being.

You know he is actually being snarky about the shiatty people at the school right?

You aren't dense enough to think those are his opinions even with the "from the kids in her school" clearly in the statement are you?


No, I don't know that. Seeing as a) this is Fark, and b) he appears to have posted the victim's name just a few comments previously, I assume those either are his opinions, or he'd like us to believe they are his opinions so we'll flip out on him. I could be wrong, of course, but I don't think it makes me dense to assume the default position.
2013-03-19 07:42:15 AM
1 votes:

cardex: Benevolent Misanthrope: 

When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is.  It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case.


She has every right to say no up to the point it's over, not 2 weeks later then decide it was rape not defending the guys but in this place they are only 33% to blame the girl is 17% and her parents are 50% for not teaching her not to get shiat face drunk and farking every guy in town


She doesn't have to say "no", she has to say "yes". Your standard is from the Stone Age and is based on the idea that if a women does not scream "no" it's okay.

I can't take all your possessions and then say "well he didn't say no." And I can't go to you when you have a lack of capacity, due to drunkeness, and talk you into giving me all your worldly possessions.
2013-03-19 07:35:58 AM
1 votes:

jso2897: robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.

When I was in the jewelry business, I sold lots and lots of jewelry - to lots of people.
So when some guys hit my salesman and ripped me for $100,000 worth of merchandise, I totally had it coming.


You shouldn't have put yourself in that kind of situation. Statistically, you should know that you tempt thieves. It's really your fault.
2013-03-19 07:32:11 AM
1 votes:

robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.


Cool Story, Bro Disgusting Example of a Human Being.
2013-03-19 07:28:58 AM
1 votes:

IlGreven: /Justice has been done. Everyone on both ends needs to let go.


THAT

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2013-03-19 07:26:34 AM
1 votes:
By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.
2013-03-19 07:26:02 AM
1 votes:
That's awesome that they got arrested for it. Set a precedence that law enforcement will not take it lightly.
2013-03-19 07:22:06 AM
1 votes:

Mcavity: Argh.
I read the other thread a few days ago. The one that said men need to be trained not to rape. The one that insisted we live in a rape culture. Like it was socialy accepted to say "hey guys I'm going to the store for some snacks and I'll probably rape the first woman I see. want anything?"
I thought bull.. we don't live in a "rape culture". Rape is one of the most reviled crimes around. No one in this day and age supports a convicted rapeist.
Now this crap from CNN and some of the stuff in these theads is makeing me loose a little more faith in humanity.
Its very hard to tell your self that you don't live in a rape culture when the lady on the national news crys for the poor poor rapeists and how the conviction will harm their future.


When people start blaming victims for tempting rapists then you know that society has gone to the dogs on sexual crimes.
2013-03-19 07:20:59 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around. Women get harassed for making a claim quite often, and other women discredit real claims by falsely crying rape without any real consequence.


And this is why, as mentioned earlier, women have to "prove" they were raped, because of a few attention-seeking and/or guilty-feeling individuals.  Actual rape victims are double-victimized by the Girls Who Cried Wolf.  It pisses me off because it trivializes when a rape really happens.  Not to mention that the "rape" suspect, who did nothing wrong, is also victimized by this slander.
2013-03-19 07:19:59 AM
1 votes:

Dafatone: GAT_00: Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.

Someday we'll have a thread on this subject where "cry rape" doesn't get brought up.

Someday.


I'm female, I have a friend who has been raped. My ex was accused of rape by a woman who, as we found out, had a history of "crying rape" or sexual assault whenever she was fired from a job.

farked up, entitled people do exist and instead of just getting thrown out of court she should have been thrown in jail. I've no doubt she's just gone on to do it again.

My ex just wanted the whole thing over with, he was so broken from having to go through it.
2013-03-19 07:17:42 AM
1 votes:

punishmentforshoplifting: As the mother of a one year old son you'd better believe that my husband and I will be doing everything in our power to instill in him a sense of respect for other human beings and to teach him that crowds and the majority can be EXTREMELY wrong in certain situations and that deviating from their opinions and actions can be not only the right thing to do, but the legal thing as well.

That being said, I'll still be scared shiatless when he gets to high school. Teenagers in general are borderline psychopaths.


Well, I think the first step is to make sure he avoids joining a rape crew.

/seriously though. Good luck.
2013-03-19 07:17:11 AM
1 votes:

CeroX: Zarquon's Flat Tire: bumper crop

what's a bumper crop? I'm not familiar with agricultural terms... by the sound of it, something that is grown at the ends of a field that is different than the rest of the field?


Still no etymology...I'm too lazy to walk downstairs to my real dictionary...but bumper has a secondary meaning:  something large

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bumper
2013-03-19 07:08:22 AM
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: publikenemy: ...

whatthefarkamireading.jpg



A cry for attention from a child.
2013-03-19 07:04:38 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: How would you classify Paterno's crimes


He was informed of an "incident" by McQueery.  The police were called.

We don't knwo the severity of the incident (McQueery has changed his story about what he told him).

Legally Paterno did what was required.

Morally, especially for a guy who is touted as a "Hero" for doing the right thing, and making sure his role as an educator was #1, he failed miserably, but he never broke any laws.
2013-03-19 06:53:52 AM
1 votes:
We're going to learn that rape by the Rape Crew isn't entirely rare and that this victim isn't the first. She was an outsider and she didn't understand that Steubenville victims don't talk.

At least - that's how I'm betting this story unfolds.

When the girl first came forward - she was accused of being an outsider trying to destroy lives by twisting the facts. It wasn't so much outrage that she was raped - but merely that she'll was talking about it.

Also - think about the sheer number of people that witnessed it, tweeted it, and took pictures but said nothing nor tried to stop it.
2013-03-19 06:47:11 AM
1 votes:

PunGent: TopoGigo: Dafatone: GAT_00: Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.

Someday we'll have a thread on this subject where "cry rape" doesn't get brought up.

Someday.

It happens. Nobody knows how often it happens, but it definitely happens.

About 2% of the time, in line with other crimes, according to the FBI.

(stat is probably 10 years old, may be out of date by now)


So what you're saying is - it would be wrong to assume that every victim is falsely accusing someone of rape since it is statistically more likely that they're telling the truth.

/clarifying for those Farkers arguing that it's necessary that rape victims be doubted by everyone until they've been tried in the media.
2013-03-19 06:40:27 AM
1 votes:

TopoGigo: Dafatone: GAT_00: Add this to the fact that some women have been shown to simply cry rape if they regretted a decision to sleep with someone because it would ruin a relationship, or simply cry it for attention, and there are still severe problems all around.

Someday we'll have a thread on this subject where "cry rape" doesn't get brought up.

Someday.

It happens. Nobody knows how often it happens, but it definitely happens.


About 2% of the time, in line with other crimes, according to the FBI.

(stat is probably 10 years old, may be out of date by now)
2013-03-19 06:32:56 AM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it. Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is. It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case


I completely agree that it was farked up that they even tried to make that claim in this case.  But most cases aren't like this.

Without proof that she was incapacitated and couldn't give consent (as it is in most cases) it comes down to her word vs his, and in a country where you practice innocent until proven guilty, then yes she has to prove that (I am assuming you mean actually asked fro it, not oh she sleeps around, hung out with dudes and was wearing something slutty so she "asked" for it).
2013-03-19 06:31:38 AM
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: People defended Michael Jackson like mad over allegations of child abuse and blamed the victims and their parents instead.


Missed chances would have been the South Park episode where the boys win a trip to the Neverland Ranch, where they spend most of their time trying not to be left alone with Micheal Jackson.  Meanwhile various mothers are sneaking around trying to covertly trying to catch Micheal on film doing something blackmail worthy. The punchline at the end where Cartman discovers Micheal's dirty secret, when he finds Micheal Jackson in bed with his mother. Holy Shiat, Micheal Jackson is a Mother Fu *credits roll*
2013-03-19 06:24:32 AM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: Snarfangel: By the way, I am not suggesting that women are normally nicer than men (that's an argument for another day). I'm just saying that if a couple of woman ganged up and cut off  some innocent guy's Mr. Happy while he was drunk and forwarded pictures of the crime to all of their friends, I don't think a whole lot of men would make threats to the victim if the women were convicted. They would at least have some empathy at how horrific such a crime was.

Yes, even if they were 15 and 16 years old, and the women were beach volleyball stars or whatever. There are some things you just don't do.

Different crime.  When Mr. Happy is damaged, the man is unquestionably wronged.  No one asks whether he wanted it.

When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is.  It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case.


While I agree it's horrible. The only thing worse then a country that makes the prosecution prove their case is a country that doesn't

Do you seriously realize what you are asking for. A justice system where just the word of the victim is grounds for conviction. Do you not seriously see what's wrong with that type of system
2013-03-19 06:09:23 AM
1 votes:
Ok folks, time to move out of that hellhole. Change your name (I don't know it, but I hear it got leaked), do whatever you can to get away from crazy assholes like this.  Well that and the town's bumper crop of rapists.
2013-03-19 06:02:14 AM
1 votes:

robohobo: This rape thread isn't nearly as entertaining as that last rape thread with the college girl. Now, THAT was rape thread.  This one doesn't even have tinfoil-hat maggie every other post.

/rape


Yeah... i believe that was the thread were any male that participated in that thread was labeled a rape apologist, whatever the fark that is...
2013-03-19 04:59:56 AM
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: Owangotang: Football: More important than rape to morons, sluts, and jocksniffers.

Anyone popular is more important.

It's the same phenomenon that makes a poor kid with drugs go to jail for years, while a pop star goes to Betty Ford and gets sympathy in the press. It's the same reason why a family member is never really guilty of a crime, they're victims of The System....

People you like can't do anything wrong. People you don't like need to be punished for existing.


The difference is that no one really clamors for Lindsay Lohan to be spared prosecution, yet whether it is Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Paterno, or these kids from an Ohio H.S. football team people just seem willing to defend them. I'm not sure football is to blame but there is a definite correlation there.
2013-03-19 04:53:40 AM
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: Yeah... Wow... It makes you kinda wish for a disease that only kills people with I.Q.s below 120.


So, since mean score is always set to 100, it would eventually kill everyone?
2013-03-19 04:53:11 AM
1 votes:
People are stupid almost beyond belief.  Twitter, Facebook and the like. I love how those things allow those of us who are smart enough to stay away from them to more and more know exactly where and who the really stupid ones are.
2013-03-19 04:10:31 AM
1 votes:

stoli n coke: FunkOut: puffy999: Athletics trumps all when it comes to young society.

The ability to understand advanced mathematics or chemistry is nothing compared to running, jumping, catching,rolling over, and fetching.


You might want to understand a little more biology, there, Professor. Athletic ability is an indicator of strengh, which is attractive in the hunter/gatherer sense. Just like the root of attraction to large breasts and nice hips is indicative of a woman who can have and take care of children more easily.

It's been part of our DNA since the caveman days. Back then, the guys who whined about not getting chicks because they understood advanced math usually froze to death.


I think the point was that the priorities at the school are backwards, and that's why these vermin are getting support. Education system fail, and priorities fail.
2013-03-19 03:49:29 AM
1 votes:

puffy999: stoli n coke: It's been part of our DNA since the caveman days. Back then, the guys who whined about not getting chicks because they understood advanced math usually froze to death.

Actually, those are the folks who advanced the species, by developing weapons, tools, and so forth. Hell, probably found which hides made for the best clothing in harsh environments, to boot.


The smart tribes don't let the guy who makes the best flint arrowheads get killed in a hunting expedition.  His arrowheads mean the difference between wounding and killing an animal.
2013-03-19 03:45:52 AM
1 votes:

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: THE GIRLS THAT MADE THESE THREATS ARE RELATED TO THE CONVICTED RAPISTS


That's nice.

If only this entire f*cked up situation were limited to these two coonts.

And, chances are, if their cousins were random douchebags and not well-known douchebags, they likely wouldn't go to such extremes.
2013-03-19 03:37:53 AM
1 votes:

doglover: Jim_Callahan: Um, when someone robs you or shoots you or something, you also have to prove:

1. The crime occurred
2. The crime was actually committed by the defendant

Don't you understand that we live in a rape culture! Rape is totally different and doesn't even have to be reported to the police or proven to punish the rapists for life. And of course by rapists I mean men, because all men are rapists!


Well, if only there were mountains of evidence in this case.

/Oh wait.
2013-03-19 03:36:59 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: TuteTibiImperes: Really, it's astounding how many members of today's youth think that what they say/post on any social network can't come back to bite them in the ass.

It's not just the idiot kids. How many of your Facebook friends posted that idiotic faux-legalese about "photo copyrights" that they cross-their-hearts-and-hope-to-die KNEW would magically undo the "tl;dr" end-user contract they agreed to with the site and prevent Evil Zuckerberg from making even more billions by using the blurry photo of their cats posted on the timeline?

But, yes, these kids *are* layering on a bonus level of weapons-grade stupidity considering the convictions happened in large part to the criminals courteously posting the evidence of their crime for the police.


Oh that gets me every time.

I'm a semi-professional photographer (In that, occasionally, people I know ask me to attend events to photograph them) and I've only ever uploaded personal photos and a few samples of my work to Facebook. Why? Because anyone who knows anything about taking photos as a business is that you don't just hand the goddamn things out for free. There are a number of legal means by which a website/person/entity can usurp photos you've taken. Mostly, they involve whatever that entity is being far more deeply pocketed than the photographer, and out-lawyerin'.

Anyone who thinks posting a few sentences on their facebook feed is going to do anything is a fool.
2013-03-19 03:32:05 AM
1 votes:
publikenemy:

Given that you apparently live in a world where raping while black with black friends is a successful defence I can see why you would struggle with the real world.
2013-03-19 03:31:47 AM
1 votes:

doglover: Jim_Callahan: Um, when someone robs you or shoots you or something, you also have to prove:

1. The crime occurred
2. The crime was actually committed by the defendant

Don't you understand that we live in a rape culture! Rape is totally different and doesn't even have to be reported to the police or proven to punish the rapists for life. And of course by rapists I mean men, because all men are rapists!


Yeah.  That was the line.  Definitely done with you.
2013-03-19 03:26:23 AM
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Jim_Callahan: 1. The crime occurred
2. The crime was actually committed by the defendant

however you don't need defend your character as it won't be an issue.


It will if you accuse someone with enough money to hire a lawyer worth their salt.
2013-03-19 03:23:33 AM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Um, when someone robs you or shoots you or something, you also have to prove:

1. The crime occurred
2. The crime was actually committed by the defendant


Don't you understand that we live in a rape culture! Rape is totally different and doesn't even have to be reported to the police or proven to punish the rapists for life. And of course by rapists I mean men, because all men are rapists!
2013-03-19 03:22:55 AM
1 votes:
Wow. That Tumblr link is heinous. I would be completely okay with euthanizing everyone featured on that blog. Disturbing the kind of prejudice that is so prevalent in this day in age. When you were raised correctly, without a care about differences like race, gender, or sexuality, it is easy to forget that other people are broken in the head. Sick, sad world.
2013-03-19 03:20:22 AM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.


Um, when someone robs you or shoots you or something, you also have to prove:

1. The crime occurred
2. The crime was actually committed by the defendant

This is universally how it works for literally every crime, and does not constitute the defendant "being the one on trial".  People can argue that you gave them something instead of them stealing it when you're accusing them of theft, too, and that defense works about as often as arguing that rape was actually consensual.  Not very often, but sometimes.
2013-03-19 03:13:58 AM
1 votes:

Snarfangel: By the way, I am not suggesting that women are normally nicer than men (that's an argument for another day). I'm just saying that if a couple of woman ganged up and cut off  some innocent guy's Mr. Happy while he was drunk and forwarded pictures of the crime to all of their friends, I don't think a whole lot of men would make threats to the victim if the women were convicted. They would at least have some empathy at how horrific such a crime was.

Yes, even if they were 15 and 16 years old, and the women were beach volleyball stars or whatever. There are some things you just don't do.


There is nothing so vile and evil as a teenaged girl. Especially towards other teen girls.
2013-03-19 03:09:25 AM
1 votes:

ADHD Librarian: In a situation where someone is impaired by alcohol (yay, teenage party), they are unable to (by law in most jurisdictions) consent to a sexual encounter. If both participants are impaired, how does a legal system decide which one is the rapist?



Easy. The FBI says men can't be victims of rape, therefore it's impossible for the woman to be a rapist.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/frequently-asked-questions/ucr_ fa qs
For UCR reporting purposes, can a male be raped?

No. The UCR Program defines forcible rape as "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will" (p. 19). In addition, "By definition, sexual attacks on males are excluded from the rape category and must be classified as assaults or other sex offenses depending on the nature of the crime and the extent of injury".
2013-03-19 03:06:01 AM
1 votes:
I heard that the black lawyer said something to the effect of "if only you chose to hang with only your black friends that night. We totally could've beat this thing if your co-defendant were black. I could've used my handy dandy "rush-to-judgement racism" card, and we coulda beat this thing."...and he would have had many supporters. Including here on good ol' Fark
2013-03-19 03:05:34 AM
1 votes:
ADHD Librarian: Nice rant. But I'm guessing you didn't read the tweet. Here it is, because RTFA is hard: "You ripped my family apart, you made my cousin cry, so when I see you it's gonna be homicide."

Yes, that's a threat with a lot of anger towards the victim, but it doesn't blame her for getting raped.
2013-03-19 02:53:30 AM
1 votes:

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Seriously, you could just go on cha-cha and get the name right now. Hiding the girl is the exact opposite of what they should have done.


...if you think this incident was bad...imagine how they'd be if anyone who doesn't actually know her could do so? Are you seriously insinuating that, because you could find her name with some hunting, that you should be able to get it without the effort?
2013-03-19 02:43:24 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: Snarfangel: WTF is wrong with some people? And girls? Not just misanthropic basement-dwelling Cheeto-stained football nuts?

Bet they're cheerleaders.


The pic at the bottom of TFA suggests the girl that made the death threat is related to one of the convicted rapists. Not saying its right, but it appears to not just be jock sniffing.
2013-03-19 02:43:16 AM
1 votes:
i1048.photobucket.com
2013-03-19 02:34:41 AM
1 votes:

neongoats: ExperianScaresCthulhu: neongoats: cardex: Benevolent Misanthrope:
When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is.  It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case.


She has every right to say no up to the point it's over, not 2 weeks later then decide it was rape not defending the guys but in this place they are only 33% to blame the girl is 17% and her parents are 50% for not teaching her not to get shiat face drunk and farking every guy in town

Are you seriously defending rapists... because "she was a slut" and "football". You belong in this state.

Except that Cardex is right.

Sorry, no. Unless "loves rapists" makes him "right".

I mean, it might make him "right wing" but not "correct".


That may be the first time I have ever been called right wing, I do like sucking dick and I know that is one of the main requirements to join the right but my worship of the FSM kicks me back out. And as I said I was not defending the guys could not give 2 shiats about football (or any other sport but I do enjoy the locker room at the gym for other reasons) my point was that the girl did not think it was rape until the entire school started calling her a slut, and several of my friends have kids in her age range and not a single one of them would allow one to go to a party without supervision and would not have called the cops long before the girl had a chance to wake up in a strange house the next day
2013-03-19 02:32:23 AM
1 votes:

stoli n coke: cmb53208: If you follow high school sports as an adult, you need to get a farking life.

They have lives, just not ones they like. For a lot of the hardcore high school football fans in my hometown, their days playing ball were the best their lives were or ever will get. Once they realized they wouldn't be Super Bowl heroes by age 20, they settled into a slow boil of a crap job, an annoying wife, dumb kids, and no hope for escape.

Those ten Friday nights a year are practically all they have.



All the more reason to nuke Steubenville from orbit. Put the poor imbeciles who live there out of their misery and make sure they can't cause misery for anyone else. I'm from Saskatchewan, I know what life is like in a small town full of small people. A nuclear holocaust is Christian charity compared to existing in a place where the best you can hope for in life is to be good at high school sports.
2013-03-19 02:31:49 AM
1 votes:

stoli n coke: cmb53208: If you follow high school sports as an adult, you need to get a farking life.

They have lives, just not ones they like. For a lot of the hardcore high school football fans in my hometown, their days playing ball were the best their lives were or ever will get. Once they realized they wouldn't be Super Bowl heroes by age 20, they settled into a slow boil of a crap job, an annoying wife, dumb kids, and no hope for escape.

Those ten Friday nights a year are practically all they have.


I really don't understand the mindset of high school football fans in places like Ohio, and yet I grew up in a town where several of the high schools have teams that are routinely competing for the state championships and ranked as some of the best in the nation. Is this a phenomenon that happens when there's nothing else that a town has going for it other than the single high school football team? I mean, where I'm from, people like their high school football and the schools have produced some pretty big names but this whole idea that football is the be all and end all of the town identity where adults relive their glory days is just sad and pathetic.
2013-03-19 02:27:53 AM
1 votes:

Generation_D: Sh*theel local politics and good-ol-boy bullcrap in a famously football-centric town were winning out until international lights were shone, which is where Anonymous came in.


That's a bit surprising to me, given how much Anonymous favors rape.
2013-03-19 02:21:04 AM
1 votes:
GungFu:

l3.yimg.com
I don't get it. How can he be guilty? Look at what he's wearing! And he doesn't even play golf!

Ooohhhhh, but look at that darkie next to him. Tell me that ain't the guilty look of a rapin', stank-fanger player. He's looking at the little white girl, and still trying to taste what's left off his thumb.
2013-03-19 02:17:58 AM
1 votes:
I will agree I don't have much good to say about that part of Ohio, but maybe the problem is football. Why does Notre Dame still have a football team and the same question for Steubenville. I enjoy participating in team sports and strategy makes football about the only sport I could imagine watching if I had time. However, the collateral damage from HS and NCAA is unacceptable and do not even consider the damage caused by the "pros."
2013-03-19 02:15:09 AM
1 votes:
Benevolent Misanthrope: 

When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is.  It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case.



She has every right to say no up to the point it's over, not 2 weeks later then decide it was rape not defending the guys but in this place they are only 33% to blame the girl is 17% and her parents are 50% for not teaching her not to get shiat face drunk and farking every guy in town
2013-03-19 02:12:18 AM
1 votes:

Benevolent Misanthrope: When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it. Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."


The problem is, it's a finding of fact. How do you determine whether a girl changed her mind before, during, or after? How do you determine if a guy had a .12 BAC and a girl had a .09 BAC, and the sex was otherwise consensual, who raped whom? As terrible as it is, there is no way to both be fair to the accuser and maintain a standard of reasonable doubt for the defendant. This is one of the unfortunate facts of life.

**Note that none of the above applies to this case. These guys were smart enough to have multiple witnesses and video evidence, so all questions of fact are conveniently answered for them. The only question now is how good they were at football, apparently.
2013-03-19 02:06:44 AM
1 votes:
America has the moral fiber of India.
2013-03-19 01:56:33 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: As bad as it still is for women who are victims of rape, it is actually worse if a man gets raped by a woman.  The almost universal reaction is of disbelief.



I know this firsthand. I tries to press charges against the woman who raped me when I was a teenager, and the reactions were always some variation of "congratulations" or "women can't commit rape" (usually both). Literally nobody took me seriously.

/No, it wasn't as enjoyable as you think. She used a dildo.
2013-03-19 01:46:37 AM
1 votes:

CWeinerWV: Therion: I say we take off and nuke the entire site (Ohio) from orbit, just to be sure.

As someone who lives directly on the other side of the river, I support this.  Say what you want about WV but it's rednecks on one side in PA and these types next door in Ohio that make this area look horrendous.

Honestly, other than people associated with the school, people in this area don't support the cover-up.  We were outraged, just powerless against it.  People around here are tired of the violent crime, drug problem, and break-ins/robberies that go unreported, and this is the icing on the cake.  Without the national spotlight it would've been swept under the rug by people associated with the school, because there's an incestuous relationship between the school and those in power in the area.  You only hear the idiots, you don't hear all the people that wanted this pursued, or wanted to speak up but were afraid for this very reason.  Obviously I'm not talking about the ones that refused to cooperate because of being associated with the act, but those that may have had knowledge or wanted to bring attention to it but didn't feel safe enough to speak up.


From west Virginia also, and I cringe when I hear the mud slinged in our direction. If people could see what a proud and dignified people we are (mostly), I want to tell them.... but they wont see the light.

/lets meet up, drink some moonglow, and try to come up with a plan. BY GOD! Go mounties!
2013-03-19 01:37:25 AM
1 votes:

CWeinerWV: I mean, you can't teach empathy or class, but for Christ's sake why haven't these soulless assholes learned to stop posting this shiat on the internet!


My first thought on seeing your post

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/15052506/images/130640 73 91502.jpg  (NSFW)
2013-03-19 01:35:40 AM
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An I know this isnt all cases but women/girls are so amazingly brutal towards each other especially in things like this, some odd lack of empathy that becomes aggression towards some victims
2013-03-19 01:33:47 AM
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l3.yimg.com

I don't get it. How can he be guilty? Look at what he's wearing! And he doesn't even play golf!
2013-03-19 01:32:11 AM
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cameroncrazy1984: Just when you thought Steubenville couldn't get any classier.


Everybody loves somebody, sometime. It's just that sometimes they're unconscious.
2013-03-19 01:31:34 AM
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Step one: remove rape victim and her family from Steubenville area.
Step two: nuke Steubenville from orbit.
problem solved
2013-03-19 01:29:24 AM
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CWeinerWV: I mean, you can't teach empathy or class, but for Christ's sake why haven't these soulless assholes learned to stop posting this shiat on the internet!


these are talking monkeys, not humans. they aren't that smart, and don't have the compassion that a human would have,
2013-03-19 12:53:01 AM
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Just when you thought Steubenville couldn't get any classier.
2013-03-19 12:43:21 AM
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Mr. Coffee Nerves: TuteTibiImperes: Really, it's astounding how many members of today's youth think that what they say/post on any social network can't come back to bite them in the ass.

It's not just the idiot kids. How many of your Facebook friends posted that idiotic faux-legalese about "photo copyrights" that they cross-their-hearts-and-hope-to-die KNEW would magically undo the "tl;dr" end-user contract they agreed to with the site and prevent Evil Zuckerberg from making even more billions by using the blurry photo of their cats posted on the timeline?

But, yes, these kids *are* layering on a bonus level of weapons-grade stupidity considering the convictions happened in large part to the criminals courteously posting the evidence of their crime for the police.


I was seeing that post so much for a while that I had the snopes page about it bookmarked for easy copy/pasting
2013-03-19 12:06:43 AM
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Girls making threats against a rape victim? Who knew Ben Roethlisberger still had fans after last year's performance?
 
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