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2013-03-19 09:09:26 AM  
Are people really trying to use this as a reason to get rid of high school sports?
 
2013-03-19 09:10:35 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: lacydog: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

This has to be the saddest tumblr I have ever found. Humanity blows.

They can try, but they can't hide the number of women who say

Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions.

and

Don't get blackout drunk.


So dont get drunk, rape someone, video tape it and forget you did it later?

Sounds like good advice.
 
2013-03-19 09:11:13 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Are people really trying to use this as a reason to get rid of high school sports?


Nah - they are using it to troll fark threads.
 
2013-03-19 09:11:37 AM  

quickdraw: No it doesn't.


This whole story began with the coverage of attempts to quash this incident because the perpetrators were on the football team.  The coaches and administrators of the school are under investigation by a grand jury as we speak.  And that is certainly not unique to Steubenville.  It happens lots of places.  Usually much more successfully.
 
2013-03-19 09:13:29 AM  

Therion: I say we take off and nuke the entire site (Ohio) from orbit, just to be sure.


PLEASE do.  That will also save us a lot of worthless Ohio news coverage on the next election cycle.
 
2013-03-19 09:14:04 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Are people really trying to use this as a reason to get rid of high school sports?


Just me.

This isn't the on'y reason, IMO.  I really do believe school affiliated sports are a net negative.  That goes for college, too.  I am not opposed to sport, but it needs to be separated from academics.

I am well aware that my opinion is the minority, and likely always will be.
 
2013-03-19 09:14:14 AM  

Mock26: robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.

So what?  If she is conscious and says "Yes" to the entire basketball team then that is her decision.  If she is passed out and does not give consent then it is no longer her decision.  At that point it is rape.


That first part isn't true.  All she has to do is claim that she felt forced or afraid and that's why she said yes and spread her legs and suddenly the whole basketball team is marked as rapists.

The dudes were big dummies because you're supposed to record sexual acts to prove that someone was willing, if they try to accuse you after the fact:  The Tupac rule.  And then i remember some of these kids weren't even conceived when Tupac was murdered.  But you record sexual acts to cover your ass.  If you can't cover your ass, don't do it.

As for the school doorknob, well, hopefully this is a wakeup call for her. What's the betting odds on whether she continues to engage in risky sexual behavior versus cleans her act up?
 
2013-03-19 09:16:03 AM  

xanadian: SilentStrider: F*cking amazing. The fact that those two assholes have garnered the slightest bit of sympathy floors me.

High school football.  SERIOUS BUSINESS


When a football scholarship is the only way to leave your shiathole town in bumblefark USA...it gets to be serious business

Regardless, these sick bastards should have been tried as adults. No pansy-ass juvie time for rapists.

This is small consolation, but at least these two won't turn another college campus into their hunting grounds.
 
2013-03-19 09:16:12 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Are people really trying to use this as a reason to get rid of high school sports?


Men are monsters and high school football and basketball teams are dens of iniquity which must be PURGED.  Duh.
 
2013-03-19 09:17:28 AM  

quickdraw: The Muthaship: quickdraw: The Muthaship: Football is fine.  Hell, all sports are fine.  They just need to be removed from schools.

It's not the football that's the problem. It's the rape. If you took all the sports out of all the schools in the world there would still be just as much rape.

It takes away a motive to cover it up.

No it doesn't. Rape is a crime. It is a crime that happens in many different places every day. It is just like other crimes such as theft or battery. The motive of the cover-up is to avoid prison time. No one wants their kid to go to prison.


cover up from parents yes, cover up from the community because they had "promising football careers" not so much... look at how the community in stubs is treating the victim, had the rapists been D&D nerds, i doubt the community would be as supportive of the rapists...

None of that is relevant to it being a crime and being a crime is not the question, the question is why the community, CNN, and other people on twitter are demonizing the vic, and the obvious answer is that it's because those kids were local high school football stars... They were the big fish in the little pond and to them, the school reputation, the school's chances for state, were all "ruined by that slut" because petty shallow people put more importance on school spirit and elevating the football player to greek hero status than for care on a life shattering crime... and THAT is carried on the back of highschool football...
 
2013-03-19 09:18:16 AM  

Skyday: You trolls (future trolls...and past trolls in the other thread) are aware there are Farkettes (including myself) (and Farkers) that have been raped.  Show some respect.  Nothing but love here, yeah!?  <3


I wonder if one particular idiot will show up again and demand proof
 
2013-03-19 09:19:39 AM  

PsyLord: SilentStrider: F*cking amazing. The fact that those two assholes have garnered the slightest bit of sympathy floors me.

The one tweet they showed indicated that she was related to the one of the two guys found guilty (he is her cousin).


Does this narrow it down at all in a place like Steubenville? Aren't most of these people related somehow?
 
2013-03-19 09:20:39 AM  

CeroX: The Muthaship: quickdraw: The Muthaship: Football is fine.  Hell, all sports are fine.  They just need to be removed from schools.

It's not the football that's the problem. It's the rape. If you took all the sports out of all the schools in the world there would still be just as much rape.

It takes away a motive to cover it up.

stoli n coke: The Muthaship: Football is fine.  Hell, all sports are fine.  They just need to be removed from schools.

Why would you want to take away revenue streams from already struggling schools.

Most schools lose money on football.  That's why many poorer districts don't even have it.

a lot of schools around us use athletic boosters to cover, and schools don't put that much money out... football and cheerleaders gain the support of parents all over... I see more secondary curricular programs cut long before football... art, music, shop, clubs like chess or debate... football is the last program in a school to be cut... unless it's an inner city school, schools like Kings not only don't have the funds, they don't have the space for football... but there seems to be a flip on inner city schools, there is a higher focus on positive creativity and learning, unlike the burbs where football is not just a national past time, it's the life blood of the burbs


Actually, in a lot of "urban" schools, they just substitute basketball for football - and it is often defended just as fiercely, because it is viewed as a "ticket out" of poverty.
 
2013-03-19 09:21:19 AM  

The Muthaship: quickdraw: No it doesn't.

This whole story began with the coverage of attempts to quash this incident because the perpetrators were on the football team.  The coaches and administrators of the school are under investigation by a grand jury as we speak.  And that is certainly not unique to Steubenville.  It happens lots of places.  Usually much more successfully.


Well of course but what I'm getting at is the same cover up happens all the time all over the place. If it was just academic sports then, yes, by all means go after those. Do you only read sports news or something? Because there have been some pretty high profile rape cases in military, non-sport academics, and religious institutions quite recently. In addition to the rape that goes on constantly all around you. Unless you live in the boonies somebody somewhere is being raped right now within a mile or two of you.

Someone you know is a rapist. It's that simple.
 
2013-03-19 09:21:37 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mock26: robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.

So what?  If she is conscious and says "Yes" to the entire basketball team then that is her decision.  If she is passed out and does not give consent then it is no longer her decision.  At that point it is rape.

That first part isn't true.  All she has to do is claim that she felt forced or afraid and that's why she said yes and spread her legs and suddenly the whole basketball team is marked as rapists.


Or alternatively, they walk away without a mark and people start referring to the accuser as a doorknob and such. But I suppose that even happens post conviction for a sexual assault that was recorded and bragged about, amirite?
 
2013-03-19 09:23:11 AM  

quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: lacydog: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

This has to be the saddest tumblr I have ever found. Humanity blows.

They can try, but they can't hide the number of women who say

Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions.

and

Don't get blackout drunk.

So dont get drunk, rape someone, video tape it and forget you did it later?

Sounds like good advice.


Don't get blackout drunk, period.

Don't get drunk.

Don't willingly place yourself in bad situations for god knows what reason, multiple times.

Don't play with fire when it comes to waking up in strange situations. The first time, you're an idiot but you can learn from it.  The second time, you must actively want it.  The third and fourth and subsequent times, you must be actively seeking out such situations.. again for god knows what reasons.  Probably the same ones which led you to be well known for getting blackout drunk in your little community.

The boys were stupid.

She, however, is NOT to be let off the hook.

Again, this is a chick who had morning after regrets because she couldn't pull the 'deny deny deny' card herself.  There was proof she ended up with the short end of the stick when she went looking for the trouble she ended up finding.

If there is no investigation of this chick's home life and if she is not put into drug and alcohol rehab, some other dude -- maybe even a silly ass white knight currently saying she's blameless -- is going to end up on the short end of a future stick in relation to her.

/but i forogt: women are eternally blameless
 
2013-03-19 09:23:48 AM  
All you people white-knighting the boys are forgetting something: THEIR OWN FRIENDS TWEETED THEY WERE RAPING THE GIRLS WHILE IT WAS GOING ON.

There was a 30 minute Youtube full of drunk inbreds in the living room making jokes about the rape ongoing in the bedroom at the time.

THE ACCUSATION/STORY STARTED WITH THEIR OWN FRIENDS. As a joke certainly. A drunken joke.

But FFS stop white knighting the attackers. Guilty with ample evidence. You weren't at the trial, neither was I, but this is a long long way from a girl recanting consensual sex two weeks later.

Inbred small town social politics is a huge part of it, football > law in small towns is a big part of it, and slut-shaming the victim is part of it. Stupid red state regions of the country where all this stuff can flourish is part of it.

People talking out their a-- on forums anonymously, welcome to the internet.
 
2013-03-19 09:25:46 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: lacydog: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

This has to be the saddest tumblr I have ever found. Humanity blows.

They can try, but they can't hide the number of women who say

Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions.

and

Don't get blackout drunk.

So dont get drunk, rape someone, video tape it and forget you did it later?

Sounds like good advice.

Don't get blackout drunk, period.

Don't get drunk.

Don't willingly place yourself in bad situations for god knows what reason, multiple times.

Don't play with fire when it comes to waking up in strange situations. The first time, you're an idiot but you can learn from it.  The second time, you must actively want it.  The third and fourth and subsequent times, you must be actively seeking out such situations.. again for god knows what reasons.  Probably the same ones which led you to be well known for getting blackout drunk in your little community.

The boys were stupid.

She, however, is NOT to be let off the hook.

Again, this is a chick who had morning after regrets because she couldn't pull the 'deny deny deny' card herself.  There was proof she ended up with the short end of the stick when she went looking for the trouble she ended up finding.

If there is no investigation of this chick's home life and if she is not put into drug and alcohol rehab, some other dude -- maybe even a silly ass white knight currently saying she's blameless -- is going to end up on the short end of a future stick in relation to her.

/but i forogt: women are eternally blameless


Saaaay....you're not one of the guys who stole my jewelry, are you?
 
2013-03-19 09:25:55 AM  

quickdraw: Someone you know is a rapist. It's that simple.


Yep, I even know who you're talking about.

But, to your point, are you saying that because there are other motivations for cover up, this one should be ignored?  I don't think we can eliminate the military, and religious entities are Constitutionally protected.  Not that we shouldn't do all we can to eliminate sexual assault wherever it exists  I don't recall reading anything from the framers about the sanctity of high school football.
 
2013-03-19 09:28:09 AM  
Then there was the ever present football-player rapist . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CO8vBVUaKvk

Coincidence?  I think not.
 
2013-03-19 09:29:18 AM  

The Muthaship: Just me.

This isn't the on'y reason, IMO.  I really do believe school affiliated sports are a net negative.  That goes for college, too.  I am not opposed to sport, but it needs to be separated from academics.

I am well aware that my opinion is the minority, and likely always will be.


Lulz, yes you are

How can you have professional sports if no one is allowed to get better at it when they're younger?
 
2013-03-19 09:29:24 AM  

Generation_D: But FFS stop white knighting the attackers. Guilty with ample evidence. You weren't at the trial, neither was I, but this is a long long way from a girl recanting consensual sex two weeks later.


Maybe reading is hard, but I haven't seen much of that in this thread at all.

The inevitable words "cry rape" ALWAYS ignites a powder keg in these threads though.
 
2013-03-19 09:29:28 AM  
What kind of person sees someone in a helpless state and says, "Cool, I am going to repeatedly assault that person!" What kind of community calls that sort of thing a youthful indiscretion? How do we raise women who think it's okay that men assault women? More importantly, how do we stop this?
 
2013-03-19 09:30:17 AM  

CeroX: quickdraw: The Muthaship: quickdraw: The Muthaship: Football is fine.  Hell, all sports are fine.  They just need to be removed from schools.

It's not the football that's the problem. It's the rape. If you took all the sports out of all the schools in the world there would still be just as much rape.

It takes away a motive to cover it up.

No it doesn't. Rape is a crime. It is a crime that happens in many different places every day. It is just like other crimes such as theft or battery. The motive of the cover-up is to avoid prison time. No one wants their kid to go to prison.

cover up from parents yes, cover up from the community because they had "promising football careers" not so much... look at how the community in stubs is treating the victim, had the rapists been D&D nerds, i doubt the community would be as supportive of the rapists...

None of that is relevant to it being a crime and being a crime is not the question, the question is why the community, CNN, and other people on twitter are demonizing the vic, and the obvious answer is that it's because those kids were local high school football stars... They were the big fish in the little pond and to them, the school reputation, the school's chances for state, were all "ruined by that slut" because petty shallow people put more importance on school spirit and elevating the football player to greek hero status than for care on a life shattering crime... and THAT is carried on the back of highschool football...


No it's not. The same media response happens in ALL rape cases. Just like there is always some yokel who comes into every fark thread blathering about how people are often falsely accused of rape. The rape apologists are everywhere in every strata of our culture. What we don't usually have is video of the rape itself to make it clear that the target wasn't giving mixed signals.

The media frenzy is because of the video and the absolute undeniably guilty status of the rapists. A similar frenzy would have happened if the video had been taken anywhere else. The multiracial aspect of the case adds to the hype. In short. They are trolling.
 
2013-03-19 09:30:19 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mock26: robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.

So what?  If she is conscious and says "Yes" to the entire basketball team then that is her decision.  If she is passed out and does not give consent then it is no longer her decision.  At that point it is rape.

That first part isn't true.  All she has to do is claim that she felt forced or afraid and that's why she said yes and spread her legs and suddenly the whole basketball team is marked as rapists.

Or alternatively, they walk away without a mark and people start referring to the accuser as a doorknob and such. But I suppose that even happens post conviction for a sexual assault that was recorded and bragged about, amirite?


A not insignificant number of women are going hard in on this chick.  Ask yourself why.
 
2013-03-19 09:30:24 AM  

the ha ha guy: ADHD Librarian: In a situation where someone is impaired by alcohol (yay, teenage party), they are unable to (by law in most jurisdictions) consent to a sexual encounter. If both participants are impaired, how does a legal system decide which one is the rapist?


Easy. The FBI says men can't be victims of rape, therefore it's impossible for the woman to be a rapist.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/frequently-asked-questions/ucr_ fa qs
For UCR reporting purposes, can a male be raped?

No. The UCR Program defines forcible rape as "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will" (p. 19). In addition, "By definition, sexual attacks on males are excluded from the rape category and must be classified as assaults or other sex offenses depending on the nature of the crime and the extent of injury".


That's farked up!
 
2013-03-19 09:30:58 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: She, however, is NOT to be let off the hook.

Again, this is a chick who had morning after regrets because she couldn't pull the 'deny deny deny' card herself. There was proof she ended up with the short end of the stick when she went looking for the trouble she ended up finding.

If there is no investigation of this chick's home life and if she is not put into drug and alcohol rehab, some other dude -- maybe even a silly ass white knight currently saying she's blameless -- is going to end up on the short end of a future stick in relation to her.

/but i forogt: women are eternally blameless


What in the holy f*ck is wrong with you?
 
2013-03-19 09:31:21 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: How can you have professional sports if no one is allowed to get better at it when they're younger?


Club sports.  I hate how things are done in Europe, but this is one thing they get pretty right.  There are very few school affiliated sports there.  At least in the way we think of them here.
 
2013-03-19 09:31:32 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: The Muthaship: Just me.

This isn't the on'y reason, IMO.  I really do believe school affiliated sports are a net negative.  That goes for college, too.  I am not opposed to sport, but it needs to be separated from academics.

I am well aware that my opinion is the minority, and likely always will be.

Lulz, yes you are

How can you have professional sports if no one is allowed to get better at it when they're younger?


HeeHee. What you didz there - I seez it.
 
2013-03-19 09:31:57 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: lacydog: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

This has to be the saddest tumblr I have ever found. Humanity blows.

They can try, but they can't hide the number of women who say

Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions.

and

Don't get blackout drunk.

So dont get drunk, rape someone, video tape it and forget you did it later?

Sounds like good advice.

Don't get blackout drunk, period.

Don't get drunk.

Don't willingly place yourself in bad situations for god knows what reason, multiple times.

Don't play with fire when it comes to waking up in strange situations. The first time, you're an idiot but you can learn from it.  The second time, you must actively want it.  The third and fourth and subsequent times, you must be actively seeking out such situations.. again for god knows what reasons.  Probably the same ones which led you to be well known for getting blackout drunk in your little community.

The boys were stupid.

She, however, is NOT to be let off the hook.

Again, this is a chick who had morning after regrets because she couldn't pull the 'deny deny deny' card herself.  There was proof she ended up with the short end of the stick when she went looking for the trouble she ended up finding.

If there is no investigation of this chick's home life and if she is not put into drug and alcohol rehab, some other dude -- maybe even a silly ass white knight currently saying she's blameless -- is going to end up on the short end of a future stick in relation to her.

/but i forogt: women are eternally blameless


You got some serious issues with women dude
 
2013-03-19 09:32:43 AM  

The Muthaship: Club sports.  I hate how things are done in Europe, but this is one thing they get pretty right.  There are very few school affiliated sports there.  At least in the way we think of them here.


I may have been wasted the entire time, but I think I remember there being school sports in Germany.
 
2013-03-19 09:33:21 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Don't get drunk.


You want to bring back prohibition? Good luck with that lulz.
 
2013-03-19 09:33:41 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Don't get blackout drunk, period.

Don't get drunk.


Jeez, might as well just kill myself then.  What else is there to live for?
 
2013-03-19 09:34:22 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mock26: robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.

So what?  If she is conscious and says "Yes" to the entire basketball team then that is her decision.  If she is passed out and does not give consent then it is no longer her decision.  At that point it is rape.

That first part isn't true.  All she has to do is claim that she felt forced or afraid and that's why she said yes and spread her legs and suddenly the whole basketball team is marked as rapists.

The dudes were big dummies because you're supposed to record sexual acts to prove that someone was willing, if they try to accuse you after the fact:  The Tupac rule.  And then i remember some of these kids weren't even conceived when Tupac was murdered.  But you record sexual acts to cover your ass.  If you can't cover your ass, don't do it.

As for the school doorknob, well, hopefully this is a wakeup call for her. What's the betting odds on whether she continues to engage in risky sexual behavior versus cleans her act up?



Do you get some sort of jollies trying to vilify a woman for getting raped?

In my experience, I've noticed that the people most willing to brand a girl a slut are mad because she is having sex, and she isn't having sex with them.

I'll clarify something for you. Yes, there are consequences to drinking. If you get blackout drunk, your friends have a right to do some things, i.e. draw on your face with a Sharpie, make drunk text messages from your phone, etc. However, if you get blackout drunk, your friends DON"T have the right to rape you.

Why is that so difficult for some of you to understand?
 
2013-03-19 09:34:59 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: HotWingConspiracy: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mock26: robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.

So what?  If she is conscious and says "Yes" to the entire basketball team then that is her decision.  If she is passed out and does not give consent then it is no longer her decision.  At that point it is rape.

That first part isn't true.  All she has to do is claim that she felt forced or afraid and that's why she said yes and spread her legs and suddenly the whole basketball team is marked as rapists.

Or alternatively, they walk away without a mark and people start referring to the accuser as a doorknob and such. But I suppose that even happens post conviction for a sexual assault that was recorded and bragged about, amirite?

A not insignificant number of women are going hard in on this chick.  Ask yourself why.


I wasn't aware that women show complete solidarity in other cases.

How about you tell us why.
 
2013-03-19 09:35:00 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: A not insignificant number of women are going hard in on this chick. Ask yourself why.


*raises hand* I know I know!!!!! I know the answer to this one! It's because women can be sociopaths too!
 
2013-03-19 09:36:58 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: The Muthaship: Just me.

This isn't the on'y reason, IMO.  I really do believe school affiliated sports are a net negative.  That goes for college, too.  I am not opposed to sport, but it needs to be separated from academics.

I am well aware that my opinion is the minority, and likely always will be.

Lulz, yes you are

How can you have professional sports if no one is allowed to get better at it when they're younger?


Wat

The little leagues aren't school sponsored.
 
2013-03-19 09:38:18 AM  

quickdraw: CeroX: quickdraw: The Muthaship: quickdraw: The Muthaship: Football is fine.  Hell, all sports are fine.  They just need to be removed from schools.

It's not the football that's the problem. It's the rape. If you took all the sports out of all the schools in the world there would still be just as much rape.

It takes away a motive to cover it up.

No it doesn't. Rape is a crime. It is a crime that happens in many different places every day. It is just like other crimes such as theft or battery. The motive of the cover-up is to avoid prison time. No one wants their kid to go to prison.

cover up from parents yes, cover up from the community because they had "promising football careers" not so much... look at how the community in stubs is treating the victim, had the rapists been D&D nerds, i doubt the community would be as supportive of the rapists...

None of that is relevant to it being a crime and being a crime is not the question, the question is why the community, CNN, and other people on twitter are demonizing the vic, and the obvious answer is that it's because those kids were local high school football stars... They were the big fish in the little pond and to them, the school reputation, the school's chances for state, were all "ruined by that slut" because petty shallow people put more importance on school spirit and elevating the football player to greek hero status than for care on a life shattering crime... and THAT is carried on the back of highschool football...

No it's not. The same media response happens in ALL rape cases. Just like there is always some yokel who comes into every fark thread blathering about how people are often falsely accused of rape. The rape apologists are everywhere in every strata of our culture. What we don't usually have is video of the rape itself to make it clear that the target wasn't giving mixed signals.

The media frenzy is because of the video and the absolute undeniably guilty status of the rapists. A similar frenzy would have happened if the video had been taken anywhere else. The multiracial aspect of the case adds to the hype. In short. They are trolling.


Lame.  Someone having a different opinion from you is not the same as trolling.  "Oh noes, how dare someone have a different opinion than me!  They can't mean it! They must be saying it to get under my skin, no one could possibly think differently from me!"

Again, lame.

Yes, the amount of video and picture is unusual.................... for adults.  This is the world these kids live in, though.  They document everything.   Their parents and grandparents may have witnessed the same shiat, but no one was going to walk around with a $800 camcorder or whatever recording everything.  That was rich kid and Hollywood elite shiat.

Now, even the brokest of brokeass welfare recipients can get their hands on a cameraphone in America.  The kids are going to have to learn to use such documentation wisely.  Or the adults are going to have to learn not to be shocked by what such documentation reveals -- about their children, and about themselves at that age -- in the light of day.

As for rape apologists:  the only rape apologists are those who accept any accusation without any filters, and without trial for the accused.  You know, the folk who honestly believe that a rape accusation is meaningless to the person who has been accused because no 'victim' lies.
 
2013-03-19 09:40:08 AM  

jso2897: ExperianScaresCthulhu: quickdraw: ExperianScaresCthulhu: lacydog: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

This has to be the saddest tumblr I have ever found. Humanity blows.

They can try, but they can't hide the number of women who say

Take responsibility for yourself and your own actions.

and

Don't get blackout drunk.

So dont get drunk, rape someone, video tape it and forget you did it later?

Sounds like good advice.

Don't get blackout drunk, period.

Don't get drunk.

Don't willingly place yourself in bad situations for god knows what reason, multiple times.

Don't play with fire when it comes to waking up in strange situations. The first time, you're an idiot but you can learn from it.  The second time, you must actively want it.  The third and fourth and subsequent times, you must be actively seeking out such situations.. again for god knows what reasons.  Probably the same ones which led you to be well known for getting blackout drunk in your little community.

The boys were stupid.

She, however, is NOT to be let off the hook.

Again, this is a chick who had morning after regrets because she couldn't pull the 'deny deny deny' card herself.  There was proof she ended up with the short end of the stick when she went looking for the trouble she ended up finding.

If there is no investigation of this chick's home life and if she is not put into drug and alcohol rehab, some other dude -- maybe even a silly ass white knight currently saying she's blameless -- is going to end up on the short end of a future stick in relation to her.

/but i forogt: women are eternally blameless

Saaaay....you're not one of the guys who stole my jewelry, are you?


No, I stole your bike.
And your fish.
 
2013-03-19 09:41:29 AM  
As for rape apologists: the only rape apologists are those who accept any accusation without any filters, and without trial for the accused. You know, the folk who honestly believe that a rape accusation is meaningless to the person who has been accused because no 'victim' lies.

Except that isnt the case here. There were a room full of boys laughing about the crime as it was going on. There were photos of the passed out girl. You're white-knighting a situation that did not exist, except in your head. Which says something.
 
2013-03-19 09:42:33 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: The little leagues aren't school sponsored.


Soooo rape and the little leagues is why we should remove all sports from schools? How about all social clubs from schools? You remove the jocks and it's only a matter of time before the state championship chess team starts raping girls at parties.
 
2013-03-19 09:43:20 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: The little leagues aren't school sponsored.

Soooo rape and the little leagues is why we should remove all sports from schools? How about all social clubs from schools? You remove the jocks and it's only a matter of time before the state championship chess team starts raping girls at parties.


Checkmate, ho.
 
2013-03-19 09:44:21 AM  
Meanwhile in some other shiat town, pics of a wasted 15 year old with a penis in her mouth are being posted to you got posted. farked up world we live in...
 
2013-03-19 09:46:59 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: As for rape apologists: the only rape apologists are those who accept any accusation without any filters, and without trial for the accused. You know, the folk who honestly believe that a rape accusation is meaningless to the person who has been accused because no 'victim' lies.


lol wut. You're hilarious. Now you have taken it upon yourself to define what a rape apologist is and under what conditions you will sanction a statement as an official rape apology.

However it is kind of you to give the media the benefit of the doubt here and assume their motives are sincere and that they really believe the nonsense they spew. We, more cynical farkers, recognize they are trolling a narrative for monetary gain but you cling to your innocence. It's real for you dammit!
 
2013-03-19 09:47:19 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: HotWingConspiracy: The little leagues aren't school sponsored.

Soooo rape and the little leagues is why we should remove all sports from schools?


Never said that, just destroying your "but how dem kids gunna lern to throw stuff" argument.
 
2013-03-19 09:47:56 AM  

stoli n coke: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mock26: robohobo: By all accounts from kids i her school, this girl was a train depot at parties.

So what?  If she is conscious and says "Yes" to the entire basketball team then that is her decision.  If she is passed out and does not give consent then it is no longer her decision.  At that point it is rape.

That first part isn't true.  All she has to do is claim that she felt forced or afraid and that's why she said yes and spread her legs and suddenly the whole basketball team is marked as rapists.

The dudes were big dummies because you're supposed to record sexual acts to prove that someone was willing, if they try to accuse you after the fact:  The Tupac rule.  And then i remember some of these kids weren't even conceived when Tupac was murdered.  But you record sexual acts to cover your ass.  If you can't cover your ass, don't do it.

As for the school doorknob, well, hopefully this is a wakeup call for her. What's the betting odds on whether she continues to engage in risky sexual behavior versus cleans her act up?


Do you get some sort of jollies trying to vilify a woman for getting raped?

In my experience, I've noticed that the people most willing to brand a girl a slut are mad because she is having sex, and she isn't having sex with them.

I'll clarify something for you. Yes, there are consequences to drinking. If you get blackout drunk, your friends have a right to do some things, i.e. draw on your face with a Sharpie, make drunk text messages from your phone, etc. However, if you get blackout drunk, your friends DON"T have the right to rape you.

Why is that so difficult for some of you to understand?


No.  No one has the right to be taken advantage of when blackout drunk.
There are no exceptions.
Making rape (specifically the rape of a female, right? not the rape of a male?) the lone exception is suspect  and heinous.  It is not feminism. It doesn't look out for women. It doesn't resolve the problem of folks being taken advantage of when blackout drunk.

These dudes stuck their fingers in vagina.
If she were a dude, they would have taken pictures of their ballsacks on her (his, in that case) face.
They molested her, just like it would have been molestation to place their ballsacks on her face.

Teabagging hahahahahah so funny hahahahahhaha its your own fault for passing out dude hahahahhaha

But let a woman get the equivalent of teabagged, and you same dudes are all about 'THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!'

Fool, please.

There will never be an equal society, when members of the society are treated unequally.

A dude who gets blackout drunk is told to suck it up, and his frat brothers and high school classmates are not called rapists when the pictures get out the next day.

Because Men Are Responsible For Their Actions.  Men have the mental fortitude to look out for themselves, and take care of themselves and make decisions for themselves.

Women... do not.  And a large segment of the population is most comfortable with women not being responsible for anything.
 
2013-03-19 09:49:41 AM  
I don't know why people don't like these threads. It provides a wonderful opportunity to cull idiots like cardex from the herd.

It's really very simple: the object of your desire doesn't have to say no, they have to say yes. If they're passing out or have passed out at any point in the night, they're too drunk to consent, even if they come to later and seem okay. Period. End of discussion. There's no room for debate. There's no gray area. It's black and white, plain and simple. Any, "Aw, but she shouldn't have gotten drunk," or, "Her parents shouldn't have let her out," is just bullshiat rationalization and irrelevant, seeing as, you know, someone was interacted with sexually without consent. That's the magic word here, kiddies: Consent. When it comes to sexual interactions, there's no wiggle room, no allowance for interpretation. It has to be absolute. It's absolutely pathetic that this still has to be spelled out.
 
2013-03-19 09:50:26 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Teabagging hahahahahah so funny hahahahahhaha its your own fault for passing out dude hahahahhaha


Ewwwww. Dude you really need a better class of friends.
 
2013-03-19 09:54:22 AM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: These dudes stuck their fingers in vagina.
If she were a dude, they would have taken pictures of their ballsacks on her (his, in that case) face.
They molested her, just like it would have been molestation to place their ballsacks on her face.

Teabagging hahahahahah so funny hahahahahhaha its your own fault for passing out dude hahahahhaha


Boy does this guy wish that was true.
 
2013-03-19 09:54:38 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Never said that, just destroying your "but how dem kids gunna lern to throw stuff" argument.


They're already at school most of the day anyway! Might as well let them play sports.

It's not sports that's the problem, it's the local community mindset. That's it, take football away and they'll find something else to fixate on.
 
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