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2013-03-19 03:32:07 AM

the ha ha guy: ADHD Librarian: In a situation where someone is impaired by alcohol (yay, teenage party), they are unable to (by law in most jurisdictions) consent to a sexual encounter. If both participants are impaired, how does a legal system decide which one is the rapist?


Easy. The FBI says men can't be victims of rape, therefore it's impossible for the woman to be a rapist.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/frequently-asked-questions/ucr_ fa qs
For UCR reporting purposes, can a male be raped?

No. The UCR Program defines forcible rape as "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will" (p. 19). In addition, "By definition, sexual attacks on males are excluded from the rape category and must be classified as assaults or other sex offenses depending on the nature of the crime and the extent of injury".


Sure, but you are assuming a gender difference in the rape. What if we have two boys, or two girls?
Statistically much less likely, yet still prosecuted under the same laws.
 
2013-03-19 03:36:52 AM

Moonfisher: ZeroCorpse: lacydog: http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/

This has to be the saddest tumblr I have ever found. Humanity blows.

Yeah... Wow... It makes you kinda wish for a disease that only kills people with I.Q.s below 120.

No.  You don't have to be smart to be a decent human being.  I want a disease that kills assholes.


But I poop from there!
 
2013-03-19 03:36:59 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: TuteTibiImperes: Really, it's astounding how many members of today's youth think that what they say/post on any social network can't come back to bite them in the ass.

It's not just the idiot kids. How many of your Facebook friends posted that idiotic faux-legalese about "photo copyrights" that they cross-their-hearts-and-hope-to-die KNEW would magically undo the "tl;dr" end-user contract they agreed to with the site and prevent Evil Zuckerberg from making even more billions by using the blurry photo of their cats posted on the timeline?

But, yes, these kids *are* layering on a bonus level of weapons-grade stupidity considering the convictions happened in large part to the criminals courteously posting the evidence of their crime for the police.


Oh that gets me every time.

I'm a semi-professional photographer (In that, occasionally, people I know ask me to attend events to photograph them) and I've only ever uploaded personal photos and a few samples of my work to Facebook. Why? Because anyone who knows anything about taking photos as a business is that you don't just hand the goddamn things out for free. There are a number of legal means by which a website/person/entity can usurp photos you've taken. Mostly, they involve whatever that entity is being far more deeply pocketed than the photographer, and out-lawyerin'.

Anyone who thinks posting a few sentences on their facebook feed is going to do anything is a fool.
 
2013-03-19 03:37:53 AM

doglover: Jim_Callahan: Um, when someone robs you or shoots you or something, you also have to prove:

1. The crime occurred
2. The crime was actually committed by the defendant

Don't you understand that we live in a rape culture! Rape is totally different and doesn't even have to be reported to the police or proven to punish the rapists for life. And of course by rapists I mean men, because all men are rapists!


Well, if only there were mountains of evidence in this case.

/Oh wait.
 
2013-03-19 03:38:30 AM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Seriously, you could just go on cha-cha and get the name right now. Hiding the girl is the exact opposite of what they should have done.

People are stupid, and if you look like you're hiding something, they'll side against you. Or simply, out of sight, out of mind.


It's called "protecting the victim's privacy". Don't they usually do this with minors?
 
2013-03-19 03:40:24 AM

rynthetyn: Your approach is also why women who are raped carry massive amounts of unwarranted guilt with them for years--they've been programmed to believe that if they don't get the crap beat out of them then it's partly their fault because they didn't resist enough


I get where you're coming from, but we can't simply lock up everyone at whom a finger is pointed. The presumption of innocence is especially important for such emotionally charged cases.
 
2013-03-19 03:41:07 AM

Abacus9: omnibus_necanda_sunt: Seriously, you could just go on cha-cha and get the name right now. Hiding the girl is the exact opposite of what they should have done.

People are stupid, and if you look like you're hiding something, they'll side against you. Or simply, out of sight, out of mind.

It's called "protecting the victim's privacy". Don't they usually do this with minors?


Yes.
 
2013-03-19 03:42:47 AM

stoli n coke: It's been part of our DNA since the caveman days. Back then, the guys who whined about not getting chicks because they understood advanced math usually froze to death.


Actually, those are the folks who advanced the species, by developing weapons, tools, and so forth. Hell, probably found which hides made for the best clothing in harsh environments, to boot.
 
2013-03-19 03:42:56 AM

ADHD Librarian: Sure, but you are assuming a gender difference in the rape. What if we have two boys, or two girls?



Two boys? Neither are rapists, because "by definition, sexual attacks on males are excluded from the rape category".

Two girls? Again, neither are rapists, because most women lack the appropriate equipment for "carnal knowledge" (defined by most laws as "penile penetration").
 
2013-03-19 03:45:52 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: THE GIRLS THAT MADE THESE THREATS ARE RELATED TO THE CONVICTED RAPISTS


That's nice.

If only this entire f*cked up situation were limited to these two coonts.

And, chances are, if their cousins were random douchebags and not well-known douchebags, they likely wouldn't go to such extremes.
 
2013-03-19 03:49:29 AM

puffy999: stoli n coke: It's been part of our DNA since the caveman days. Back then, the guys who whined about not getting chicks because they understood advanced math usually froze to death.

Actually, those are the folks who advanced the species, by developing weapons, tools, and so forth. Hell, probably found which hides made for the best clothing in harsh environments, to boot.


The smart tribes don't let the guy who makes the best flint arrowheads get killed in a hunting expedition.  His arrowheads mean the difference between wounding and killing an animal.
 
2013-03-19 03:49:31 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: ADHD Librarian: Nice rant. But I'm guessing you didn't read the tweet. Here it is, because RTFA is hard: "You ripped my family apart, you made my cousin cry, so when I see you it's gonna be homicide."

Yes, that's a threat with a lot of anger towards the victim, but it doesn't blame her for getting raped.


My nice rant (and, thanks for saying so), was actually less about the specific tweets of TFA and more about the shocked "...and girls..."of the Farker I was replying to. A cry which has been a significant undercurrent to this story, given the reaction of not just girls on twitter, but female news commentators (who have a bit more of a public voice).
 
2013-03-19 04:00:51 AM

sevente: publikenemy:

Given that you apparently live in a world where raping while black with black friends is a successful defence I can see why you would struggle with the real world.


So, you choose to live in a state of denial then. I hear that state is over-crowded..

So do you deny my perfectly clear view that nearly every time we are dealing with a case of white vs black crime, or anything really, that the R word is an almost instinctual response to the question of why this crime or perceived injustice was committed?

To the point of I myself will be called a racist just for noticing this and commenting on it?

Do you not think that just maybe possibly there would've been a goddammed circus frenzy and the rage and sensationalism would not have been at a fevered pitch had both defendants been black?

So you don't agree that their defense lawyers may have asked out loud whether or not the police and prosecution were racist and didn't like the fact that 2 black men had consensual sex with a white girl?.....they would have been obligated to use every defense possible to get them off.

Reminds me of something....historical maybe..

(knock on door)...."open up ma'am, we need to speak to your husband!"

(lady in house)...."he's not home right now..what's this all about?"

(racism police).... "ma'am, your husbands been accused of spreading racist propaganda, now open up or you're gonna need a new door"

(lady in house)...."what!?...what could he possibly have done?"

(racist police)...."he said rap music sucks ma'am...he said it sucked"....here we come ma'am!
 
2013-03-19 04:08:06 AM

Moonfisher: No. You don't have to be smart to be a decent human being. I want a disease that kills assholes.


But then Fark will have no more visitors. :(
 
2013-03-19 04:10:31 AM

stoli n coke: FunkOut: puffy999: Athletics trumps all when it comes to young society.

The ability to understand advanced mathematics or chemistry is nothing compared to running, jumping, catching,rolling over, and fetching.


You might want to understand a little more biology, there, Professor. Athletic ability is an indicator of strengh, which is attractive in the hunter/gatherer sense. Just like the root of attraction to large breasts and nice hips is indicative of a woman who can have and take care of children more easily.

It's been part of our DNA since the caveman days. Back then, the guys who whined about not getting chicks because they understood advanced math usually froze to death.


I think the point was that the priorities at the school are backwards, and that's why these vermin are getting support. Education system fail, and priorities fail.
 
2013-03-19 04:21:23 AM
When the football program gets bad press because of sexual assaults, you need to try extra hard to show more loyalty to said football program. Because it's not about rape, it's about pride in a bunch of guys who can play a game which your identity is sadly dependant upon.
 
2013-03-19 04:21:59 AM
[uptalk inflection-gradient = 4]

I'm here for the gang rape thread...
I'm not sure but I feel like I think rape is bad?  Why don't they like, make rape illegal or something?
We should like... start a petition about making a law against rape...  What do you guys think?

[/uptalk]
 
2013-03-19 04:22:15 AM

johnsmith99: It's always a bad sign when a small town is proud of it's high school football heritage.  The last thing you should do is make celebrities out of a bunch of 17 year old boys.


Better that than celebrate those pansy college teams. Even the deep south isn't as proud of being unedjamacated than Ohioans.
 
2013-03-19 04:23:32 AM

OgreMagi: Skyday: You trolls (future trolls...and past trolls in the other thread) are aware there are Farkettes (including myself) (and Farkers) that have been raped.  Show some respect.  Nothing but love here, yeah!?  <3

Or had someone close to them raped and saw the psychological damage that stayed with her for years and will always be lingering in the back of her mind, no matter what.


To be fair, there's likely some rapists here too.
 
2013-03-19 04:37:35 AM

WillofJ2: An I know this isnt all cases but women/girls are so amazingly brutal towards each other especially in things like this, some odd lack of empathy that becomes aggression towards some victims


There have been several cases here where rape victims have been outed and berated on Facebook, resulting in those responsible going to prison. In every reported case it has been women who did it.
 
2013-03-19 04:38:11 AM

doglover: It will if you accuse someone with enough money to hire a lawyer worth their salt.


One word, relevance. Any time a defense attorney starts digging into whoever was the victim, in a burglary, theft etc the prosecutor just objects citing a lack of relevance. Because it's not relevant. And not going to find many judges who'd overrule the objection, cause they damn well it's not relevant. The one place where it somehow doesn't hold up is rape cases. Or at least in holds up in fewer court rooms. There are judges around who will make due with a single warning about trying to take shots at the character of the victim and if the defense attorney doesn't follow along, it starts getting expensive.
 
2013-03-19 04:39:02 AM

sevente: Ooh, hang on... let me get out my rape apologist red and brand a few more farkers in here.
/just when you think you've got 'em all


Already added 5 of those to my "fav" list, which is starting to look like anything but.

superdude72: WTF is up with kids posting this shiat from their Twitter accounts. Is it *that hard* to use email? Or for something that truly needs to remain private, a note tied to a brick and thrown through a window?


No, don't do that. Keep this shait public. Make it known to the world and let the world decide what to do with these subhuman pieces of trash.
 
2013-03-19 04:40:13 AM

LavenderWolf: Well, if only there were mountains of evidence in this case.


Actually, weren't they .jpgs?
 
2013-03-19 04:40:36 AM

James F. Campbell: But then Fark will have no more visitors. :(


hey, some of us aren't assholes! :D
 
2013-03-19 04:42:11 AM
Football: More important than rape to morons, sluts, and jocksniffers.
 
2013-03-19 04:45:26 AM

Owangotang: Football: More important than rape to morons, sluts, and jocksniffers.


which i really do not understand. I'm not a sporty type of person (i don't have any interest in any specific sporting event) but i have watched numerous sports being played and, after baseball, american football is by far one of the most bloody boring sports out there.
 
2013-03-19 04:48:16 AM

germ78: Step one: remove rape victim and her family from Steubenville area.
Step two: nuke Steubenville from orbit.
problem solved


Seriously, can we start a fund to move the victim and her family away from there?
 
2013-03-19 04:48:21 AM

Owangotang: Football: More important than rape to morons, sluts, and jocksniffers.


Anyone popular is more important.

It's the same phenomenon that makes a poor kid with drugs go to jail for years, while a pop star goes to Betty Ford and gets sympathy in the press. It's the same reason why a family member is never really guilty of a crime, they're victims of The System....

People you like can't do anything wrong. People you don't like need to be punished for existing.
 
2013-03-19 04:50:01 AM

the ha ha guy: She's either blaming the victim for being raped, or she's blaming the victim for reporting the crime. Either way, she appears to be blaming the victim for not accepting rape as a natural and unavoidable part of life.


It is alas very common for families to unite against people who report childhood sexual abuse. "How dare she send dear old Gramps to prison?"
 
2013-03-19 04:50:19 AM

the ha ha guy: GAT_00: As bad as it still is for women who are victims of rape, it is actually worse if a man gets raped by a woman.  The almost universal reaction is of disbelief.


I know this firsthand. I tries to press charges against the woman who raped me when I was a teenager, and the reactions were always some variation of "congratulations" or "women can't commit rape" (usually both). Literally nobody took me seriously.

/No, it wasn't as enjoyable as you think. She used a dildo.


I'm really sorry about what happened to you. No-one should be raped or sexually assaulted by anyone-ever. Unfortunately, people of all genders are capable of doing terrible things.
 
2013-03-19 04:53:11 AM
People are stupid almost beyond belief.  Twitter, Facebook and the like. I love how those things allow those of us who are smart enough to stay away from them to more and more know exactly where and who the really stupid ones are.
 
2013-03-19 04:53:40 AM

ZeroCorpse: Yeah... Wow... It makes you kinda wish for a disease that only kills people with I.Q.s below 120.


So, since mean score is always set to 100, it would eventually kill everyone?
 
2013-03-19 04:53:49 AM
TuteTibiImperes:  'wow, lucky him, where were girls like that when I was in high school'.

This further ties into the treatment of women in the culture, where women simply cannot have an effect on men, or are so perceived.
 
2013-03-19 04:55:51 AM

Cozret: ZeroCorpse: Yeah... Wow... It makes you kinda wish for a disease that only kills people with I.Q.s below 120.

So, since mean score is always set to 100, it would eventually kill everyone?


I fail to see the problem here. Humans suck.
 
2013-03-19 04:59:56 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Owangotang: Football: More important than rape to morons, sluts, and jocksniffers.

Anyone popular is more important.

It's the same phenomenon that makes a poor kid with drugs go to jail for years, while a pop star goes to Betty Ford and gets sympathy in the press. It's the same reason why a family member is never really guilty of a crime, they're victims of The System....

People you like can't do anything wrong. People you don't like need to be punished for existing.


The difference is that no one really clamors for Lindsay Lohan to be spared prosecution, yet whether it is Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Paterno, or these kids from an Ohio H.S. football team people just seem willing to defend them. I'm not sure football is to blame but there is a definite correlation there.
 
2013-03-19 05:00:09 AM

Cozret: ZeroCorpse: Yeah... Wow... It makes you kinda wish for a disease that only kills people with I.Q.s below 120.

So, since mean score is always set to 100, it would eventually kill everyone?


And the problem here is sophomoria, not IQ.
 
2013-03-19 05:01:04 AM
Parts of USA is turning into India.

/don't tip the holy cow
 
2013-03-19 05:06:59 AM

Owangotang: The difference is that no one really clamors for Lindsay Lohan to be spared prosecution, yet whether it is Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Paterno, or these kids from an Ohio H.S. football team people just seem willing to defend them. I'm not sure football is to blame but there is a definite correlation there.


People defended Michael Jackson like mad over allegations of child abuse and blamed the victims and their parents instead.
 
2013-03-19 05:10:43 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Owangotang: The difference is that no one really clamors for Lindsay Lohan to be spared prosecution, yet whether it is Ben Roethlisberger, Joe Paterno, or these kids from an Ohio H.S. football team people just seem willing to defend them. I'm not sure football is to blame but there is a definite correlation there.

People defended Michael Jackson like mad over allegations of child abuse and blamed the victims and their parents instead.


True, however in more recent years football generates more of this type of thing.
 
2013-03-19 05:22:52 AM

WhyteRaven74: One word, relevance. Any time a defense attorney starts digging into whoever was the victim, in a burglary, theft etc the prosecutor just objects citing a lack of relevance. Because it's not relevant. And not going to find many judges who'd overrule the objection, cause they damn well it's not relevant. The one place where it somehow doesn't hold up is rape cases. Or at least in holds up in fewer court rooms. There are judges around who will make due with a single warning about trying to take shots at the character of the victim and if the defense attorney doesn't follow along, it starts getting expensive.


Well, previous sexual behavior _is_ relevant.  Sexual assault is a subset of assault (well, battery in many cases).  Have you ever watched a non-sexual assault proceeding?  Pretty much the first line a defender will take is "well, the other guy started it" and start bringing out the negative character witnesses to make that credible.  This isn't a special thing that only happens in rape cases.

So what I'm saying here isn't that lawyers aren't dicks, that's pretty much a job requirement, it's that you're seeing unequal treatment where there isn't necessarily any.  Defense attourneys overstep the bounds of good taste and malign the character of the accuser all the time, in every kind of criminal and civil proceeding, and unless their degree is from the internet they typically manage to do it in a manner that keeps relevance from being a valid objection.
 
2013-03-19 05:23:39 AM

the ha ha guy: ADHD Librarian: In a situation where someone is impaired by alcohol (yay, teenage party), they are unable to (by law in most jurisdictions) consent to a sexual encounter. If both participants are impaired, how does a legal system decide which one is the rapist?


Easy. The FBI says men can't be victims of rape, therefore it's impossible for the woman to be a rapist.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/frequently-asked-questions/ucr_ fa qs
For UCR reporting purposes, can a male be raped?

No. The UCR Program defines forcible rape as "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will" (p. 19). In addition, "By definition, sexual attacks on males are excluded from the rape category and must be classified as assaults or other sex offenses depending on the nature of the crime and the extent of injury".


That definition is out of date. In 2012, they changed it to "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or  by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim." In any event, that definition was used to compile statistics; it didn't have legal force. In jurisdictions using the new definition or something similar, women can rape and men can be raped. Even in those using the old definition, a woman in this situation could be charged with sexual assault, and some degrees of sexual assault would have the same penalties as rape. And some places, like Canada, don't have a specific crime of "rape" - it would be included under sexual assault/aggravated sexual assault, and penetration isn't the issue in determining the crime or the sentence.

In the case of two intoxicated people having sex,  theoretically both could be charged and convicted. But it's important to keep in mind that in most places, it isn't just that fact that someone has been drinking that makes them incapable of consenting. They need to be  significantly impaired, and in practical terms that means if not unconscious, then really quite incoherent/incapacitated. Chances are two people that incapacitated aren't doing much. Then things get really fact-specific - was one of them less impaired than the other? Was one plying the other with drinks? Was one in control of the situation? There may be an assumption (not really a fair one in my opinion) that a man so drunk he can't legally consent can't physically have intercourse, but if such an argument were made in court the defense could counter it with expert witnesses.I  don't actually know of any cases where both people have filed charges against each other (but I haven't really looked at this stuff since law school, which was a while ago). But theoretically  could they both be convicted of the same crime? Sure, at least under Canadian law.
 
2013-03-19 05:33:37 AM
This rape thread isn't nearly as entertaining as that last rape thread with the college girl. Now, THAT was rape thread.  This one doesn't even have tinfoil-hat maggie every other post.

/rape
 
2013-03-19 05:44:29 AM

ADHD Librarian: Snarfangel: WTF is wrong with some people? And girls? Not just misanthropic basement-dwelling Cheeto-stained football nuts?

On of the reason that other girls (and women) are often the most vocal when it comes to victim shaming is a rather unfortunate quirk of human psychology. When (some) girls look at this situation they see something which seems familiar to them, they too have had too much to drink at a party or trusted some boy more than they should. Yet, they have not been raped. Rather than look at this as normal (seriously girls, most of us men have a 100% success in not raping anyone), or as fortunate (yes, not 100% of men manage to die without having raped someone), the human brain tries to find a reason. So, 'obviously' they were not raped when they passed out at the party because {{insert rationalisation here}}. t may be because they 'didn't dress like that' or didn't 'lead them on' or 'flirt' or because everyone knows they are not like 'that'...
As such, their own sense of security comes from a fallacy of their own imagining which requires the rape victim to have had some hand in her own situation. After all, if it isn't partially her fault, why, it is almost like it could happen to anyone?

/As an interesting aside though (and I asked this question myself during a recent training session on counselling teenagers on matters of sexuality, but no one could (or would?) answer it clearly. Too many lawyers in the room for anyone to offer a free opinion).
In a situation where someone is impaired by alcohol (yay, teenage party), they are unable to (by law in most jurisdictions) consent to a sexual encounter. If both participants are impaired, how does a legal system decide which one is the rapist? Or, could it be (like with teenage self portraits) that one person can be both the victim AND the perpetrator of the crime?
//I am not saying that the situation with these two boys is such a case
///sometimes it is bloody obvious who the perpetrator(s) is (are)


I'm gonna go with the two guys carrying the body around were less impaired than the lifeless body they were carrying.

But that's just my take.
 
2013-03-19 06:02:14 AM

robohobo: This rape thread isn't nearly as entertaining as that last rape thread with the college girl. Now, THAT was rape thread.  This one doesn't even have tinfoil-hat maggie every other post.

/rape


Yeah... i believe that was the thread were any male that participated in that thread was labeled a rape apologist, whatever the fark that is...
 
2013-03-19 06:09:23 AM
Ok folks, time to move out of that hellhole. Change your name (I don't know it, but I hear it got leaked), do whatever you can to get away from crazy assholes like this.  Well that and the town's bumper crop of rapists.
 
2013-03-19 06:15:21 AM

CeroX: robohobo: This rape thread isn't nearly as entertaining as that last rape thread with the college girl. Now, THAT was rape thread.  This one doesn't even have tinfoil-hat maggie every other post.

/rape

Yeah... i believe that was the thread were any male that participated in that thread was labeled a rape apologist, whatever the fark that is...


Pretty much. Good times.

/swimming with sharks is a great idea
 
2013-03-19 06:19:07 AM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: bumper crop


what's a bumper crop? I'm not familiar with agricultural terms... by the sound of it, something that is grown at the ends of a field that is different than the rest of the field?
 
2013-03-19 06:24:32 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Snarfangel: By the way, I am not suggesting that women are normally nicer than men (that's an argument for another day). I'm just saying that if a couple of woman ganged up and cut off  some innocent guy's Mr. Happy while he was drunk and forwarded pictures of the crime to all of their friends, I don't think a whole lot of men would make threats to the victim if the women were convicted. They would at least have some empathy at how horrific such a crime was.

Yes, even if they were 15 and 16 years old, and the women were beach volleyball stars or whatever. There are some things you just don't do.

Different crime.  When Mr. Happy is damaged, the man is unquestionably wronged.  No one asks whether he wanted it.

When a woman is raped, she is generally the one on trial, and has to prove she didn't ask for it.  Which pisses me off on alot of levels, because - even if she did consent, this implies that a woman doesn't have the right to say, "Stop."

Sick, but that's the way it is.  It's the prevailing tactic for rape defense, and was absolutely openly used in this case.


While I agree it's horrible. The only thing worse then a country that makes the prosecution prove their case is a country that doesn't

Do you seriously realize what you are asking for. A justice system where just the word of the victim is grounds for conviction. Do you not seriously see what's wrong with that type of system
 
2013-03-19 06:31:38 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: People defended Michael Jackson like mad over allegations of child abuse and blamed the victims and their parents instead.


Missed chances would have been the South Park episode where the boys win a trip to the Neverland Ranch, where they spend most of their time trying not to be left alone with Micheal Jackson.  Meanwhile various mothers are sneaking around trying to covertly trying to catch Micheal on film doing something blackmail worthy. The punchline at the end where Cartman discovers Micheal's dirty secret, when he finds Micheal Jackson in bed with his mother. Holy Shiat, Micheal Jackson is a Mother Fu *credits roll*
 
2013-03-19 06:32:46 AM
The world we (unfortunately) live in.
 
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