If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(CBS Atlanta)   Worst...healer...ever infects 16 with HIV   (atlanta.cbslocal.com) divider line 77
    More: Dumbass, HIV, Prevention in Atlanta, United Press International, CBS Atlanta  
•       •       •

9251 clicks; posted to Main » on 19 Mar 2013 at 4:16 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



77 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2013-03-19 07:43:54 AM

SpeedyBB: AverageAmericanGuy: Say what you want, chiropractors are awesome.

You go once a week, get a great massage, have all your stiff joints cracked, and feel like a million bucks. It's pretty great.

Not to mention that it's a practice with six thousand years of medical history behind it.

The Chinese, not particularly known to be a people given to voodoo or superstitition, were practicing acupuncture, moxybustion and herbal medicine when you white folks' ancestors were living in peat bogs and painting themselves blue. And they're still doing it (in addition to appropriating western medical discoveries).

Just because you can't understand it, don't ridicule it.

Remember when your own medical men were laughing derisively when Pasteur suggested they wash their hands after treating a patient with an infectious condition.

And thus spreading infection merrily among the innocent supplicants.

farm9.staticflickr.com

 
2013-03-19 07:51:58 AM

Benevolent Misanthrope: That also counts acupuncture, chiropractors, homeopathy, faith healers, and Marvin Gaye.


Heh.
 
2013-03-19 08:29:20 AM

Deacon Blue: RobSeace: Deacon Blue: Homopaths

NTTAWWT

Nobody's complimented  me on my troll yet.  I thought it was pretty good


2/10.  Not enough bites before you revealed it as a troll.
 
2013-03-19 08:30:18 AM

SpeedyBB: AverageAmericanGuy: Say what you want, chiropractors are awesome.

You go once a week, get a great massage, have all your stiff joints cracked, and feel like a million bucks. It's pretty great.

Not to mention that it's a practice with six thousand years of medical history behind it.

The Chinese, not particularly known to be a people given to voodoo or superstitition, were practicing acupuncture, moxybustion and herbal medicine when you white folks' ancestors were living in peat bogs and painting themselves blue. And they're still doing it (in addition to appropriating western medical discoveries).

Just because you can't understand it, don't ridicule it.

Remember when your own medical men were laughing derisively when Pasteur suggested they wash their hands after treating a patient with an infectious condition.

And thus spreading infection merrily among the innocent supplicants.


THIS ONE, however, I have to rate as at least a 7/10.
 
2013-03-19 08:48:13 AM
I would hunt him down and kill him with a baseball bat and a blow torch.
 
2013-03-19 08:51:55 AM

robohobo: I would hope these charges are all for murder. Is there something in place for long time range murder? There's sure to be a precedent, with some skanky person who knows they have aids or hiv farking people.

If only there was worse than the death penalty.


Yes, there is attempted murder charges for spreading HIV intentionally, this  being negligence though, I am curious if it'll be "Attempted negligent manslaughter"

What worries me is who did the prick stick, that started giving everyone HIV.
 
2013-03-19 08:59:25 AM
And to think, this could have been all avoided by putting little condoms on the needles.

SeraphicSorcerer: robohobo: I would hope these charges are all for murder. Is there something in place for long time range murder? There's sure to be a precedent, with some skanky person who knows they have aids or hiv farking people.

If only there was worse than the death penalty.

Yes, there is attempted murder charges for spreading HIV intentionally, this  being negligence though, I am curious if it'll be "Attempted negligent manslaughter"

What worries me is who did the prick stick, that started giving everyone HIV.


It may be possible that the first individual didn't know they were infected and could be counted in the 16.
 
2013-03-19 09:04:50 AM

lack of warmth: And to think, this could have been all avoided by putting little condoms on the needles.

SeraphicSorcerer: robohobo: I would hope these charges are all for murder. Is there something in place for long time range murder? There's sure to be a precedent, with some skanky person who knows they have aids or hiv farking people.

If only there was worse than the death penalty.

Yes, there is attempted murder charges for spreading HIV intentionally, this  being negligence though, I am curious if it'll be "Attempted negligent manslaughter"

What worries me is who did the prick stick, that started giving everyone HIV.

It may be possible that the first individual didn't know they were infected and could be counted in the 16.


That's what I was thinking, and I think any blood related activity, (especially new places) need to be told you have HIV, that being said, he should still be sterilizing before doing the sticking. What worries me more is, are there even more out there that now don't even know they have it.
 
2013-03-19 09:11:58 AM
This place says you definitely need to tell your primary care, and it's a part of your medical record once your HIV status is known.

That being said unsure where beyond that goes. But out of safety, large gashes, or anyplace where blood could be a worry for contamination, It's your obligation I believe.

Like I said, if this was sex related, there would be 16 counts of Attempted murder, and possible premeditation or aggravating circumstances may be applied to the charges depending on the district

IANAL however, but I do know that law.
 
2013-03-19 09:23:53 AM
SeraphicSorcerer:
It may be possible that the first individual didn't know they were infected and could be counted in the 16.

That's what I was thinking, and I think any blood related activity, (especially new places) need to be told you have HIV, that being said, he should still be sterilizing before doing the sticking. What worries me more is, are there even more out there that now don't even know they have it.


This.

Always sterilize instruments, and if there is any moment of doubt get yourself tested.  Porn stars complain about having to use condoms, but every time one of them come up HIV-pos they all have to be tested before they can continue filming, well the pros.  Testing and sterilizing standards are the only reason why we don't have the crazy problems of Aids seen in some African countries.  The threat is going to always be there.
 
2013-03-19 09:57:23 AM
SpeedyBB: The Chinese, not particularly known to be a people given to voodoo or superstition,

lolwut? Chinese medicine still today, as in right now, are still using tiger penis, elephant skins, and tusks, leopard skins, parts of north american bear, rhino horn, endangered turtles, etc, as medicine. It is a multi-billion dollar black market in China. They are easily the single MOST superstitious people in the world today today, if not in all of history. Or maybe they take second after India. They have a large market for "dragon bones" fer chissakes.
 
2013-03-19 10:01:08 AM

karmachameleon: willfullyobscure: acupuncture remains popular because when people have it done, they feel and see undeniable results. Otherwise they wouldn't go back, QED. Suck on it, haters.

The reason for this is well known and understood.  Most telling is that it doesn't matter if the patient is receiving "proper" acupuncture or not - people who receive either "real" or "sham" acupuncture report positive results.


It's funny that you don't understand that even the "sham" acupuncture techniques are actually considered to be alternative methods of stimulating the points, and this is was documented more than 2000 years ago.

Western medicine is so out of it's depth on this that it can't even come up with adequate testing protocols, and yet you put blind faith into a system that actively discouraged basic sanitation and fed children heroin on purpose less than 100 years ago.

What's more you seem to be completely unaware that modern, scientific research is being carried out at a breakneck pace in China on traditional medicine and there's any number of excellent adjunct treatements and therapies in use over there because of that. They even do invasive surgery with nothing but acunpuncture and NSAIDs.
 
2013-03-19 10:06:40 AM

LiberalConservative: willfullyobscure: acupuncture remains popular because when people have it done, they feel and see undeniable results. Otherwise they wouldn't go back, QED. Suck on it, haters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo


I think you ought to get some placards made up, with bloody needles on them or something,  and you can stand outside your local acupuncture clinic. When patients go in and out, you can scream at them: "YOU DIDN'T REALLY FEEL ANYTHING. YOU'RE NOT FEELING ANYTHING! YOU CAN'T FEEEEEEL IT!!1!1"
 
2013-03-19 10:31:40 AM

willfullyobscure: LiberalConservative: willfullyobscure: acupuncture remains popular because when people have it done, they feel and see undeniable results. Otherwise they wouldn't go back, QED. Suck on it, haters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

I think you ought to get some placards made up, with bloody needles on them or something,  and you can stand outside your local acupuncture clinic. When patients go in and out, you can scream at them: "YOU DIDN'T REALLY FEEL ANYTHING. YOU'RE NOT FEELING ANYTHING! YOU CAN'T FEEEEEEL IT!!1!1"


Interesting idea. Though i expect they do feel something as needles are stuck into them. Probably better to hand out flyers explaining the placebo effect. Or perhaps just business cards with an appropriate URL. Pity it won't make much difference; always another innocent ready to be scammed (by someone who unfortunately is probably also deluded into thinking their service is medically valid).
 
2013-03-19 10:44:06 AM
The obvious question that needs to be answered is why a CBS affiliate in Atlanta is reporting on a crime in Switzerland.
 
2013-03-19 10:56:15 AM

LiberalConservative: willfullyobscure: LiberalConservative: willfullyobscure: acupuncture remains popular because when people have it done, they feel and see undeniable results. Otherwise they wouldn't go back, QED. Suck on it, haters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

I think you ought to get some placards made up, with bloody needles on them or something,  and you can stand outside your local acupuncture clinic. When patients go in and out, you can scream at them: "YOU DIDN'T REALLY FEEL ANYTHING. YOU'RE NOT FEELING ANYTHING! YOU CAN'T FEEEEEEL IT!!1!1"

Interesting idea. Though i expect they do feel something as needles are stuck into them. Probably better to hand out flyers explaining the placebo effect. Or perhaps just business cards with an appropriate URL. Pity it won't make much difference; always another innocent ready to be scammed (by someone who unfortunately is probably also deluded into thinking their service is medically valid).


You do not feel the needles when inserted; or if you do, the practitioner has made a mistake. What you do feel is (usually) an immediate sense of drowsiness and well-being followed by a variety of stimulating effects as the acupuncturist manipulates the needles. The effects can be varied quite a bit, from sweating to hot flashes to feelings of sleepiness, alertness, calm or agitation depending on what's desired. Acupuncture is often used to relieve constipation or congestion and the effects are proximate, to say the least.

But you go right ahead and tell the patients it's all in their heads. Whatever lets you sleep at night, hon.
 
2013-03-19 11:19:35 AM
We must immediately ban Atlanta, Switzerland and music.

For the children
 
2013-03-19 12:13:55 PM

SpeedyBB: AverageAmericanGuy: Say what you want, chiropractors are awesome.

You go once a week, get a great massage, have all your stiff joints cracked, and feel like a million bucks. It's pretty great.

Not to mention that it's a practice with six thousand years of medical history behind it.

The Chinese, not particularly known to be a people given to voodoo or superstitition, were practicing acupuncture, moxybustion and herbal medicine when you white folks' ancestors were living in peat bogs and painting themselves blue. And they're still doing it (in addition to appropriating western medical discoveries).

Just because you can't understand it, don't ridicule it.

Remember when your own medical men were laughing derisively when Pasteur suggested they wash their hands after treating a patient with an infectious condition.

And thus spreading infection merrily among the innocent supplicants.


Lol. Yes, the Chinese aren't known for their superstitions at all. Not their huge array of things that constitute good luck, nor the large amount of hells they have, nor all the woo that is passed on, including the notion that ground up rare animal parts are aphrodisiacs.
 
2013-03-19 12:16:11 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: SpeedyBB: The Chinese, not particularly known to be a people given to voodoo or superstition,

lolwut? Chinese medicine still today, as in right now, are still using tiger penis, elephant skins, and tusks, leopard skins, parts of north american bear, rhino horn, endangered turtles, etc, as medicine. It is a multi-billion dollar black market in China. They are easily the single MOST superstitious people in the world today today, if not in all of history. Or maybe they take second after India. They have a large market for "dragon bones" fer chissakes.


Looking at the rest of the thread, all I can say is "forget it ThrobblefootSpectre, it's Trollytown."
 
2013-03-19 12:55:06 PM
I smell a rat.  My infection control experience is about 10 years out of date but the last I knew, there wasn't a measurable risk of HIV infection from solid needles.  Back in my hospital days, if you got stuck with a hollow needle you'd be tested and given anti-retrovirals.  If you got cut or jabbed by something that was only blood-smeared (scalpel blade, suture needle, etc.) you wouldn't be treated for possible HIV exposure because it'd never been shown to pass by that route.  Even with a hollow needle, the chance of transmission from a known HIV positive patient was something like 0.1%.  On the other hand, the Hepatitis transmission risk was something like 40% no matter what you got stuck with.

tl;dr
I call bullshiat.
 
2013-03-19 07:58:14 PM
That would be the day I quit WoW. Or at least went DPS.
 
2013-03-19 09:12:15 PM

Alex Broughton Butt Chugger: Thats_right_ALL_the_tea: SpeedyBB: The Chinese, not particularly known to be a people given to voodoo or superstitition,

And that's how I know this post is a troll. Marriages spike on "auspicious" days with good astrological numbers, millions are paid for ground-up rhino horns to improve virility because horns look kinda like a boner, and every other business run by Chinese seems to have 8 somewhere in the name just because it shares a pronunciation with wealth or luck or whatever it was. The Chinese are probably the single most visibly superstitious group I know of. And that's despite the fact that I know Pakistanis whose parents still worry about djinn.

Of course they are, haven't you seen those movies?


MEA CULPA:
I should have known better than to write that. Yes they are prone to odd beliefs, like all other races. What I should have said is that ample evidence exists for the validity of eastern medicine, and while the process is subtler and gentler than the sledge-hammer of antibiotics, surgery or physical therapy, it can have the effect of encouraging the body to rebalance and heal itself. I speak from personal experience, and I wish I didn't have to travel two hours to North Jakarta and wait two hours more in line for the acupuncturist. These days most folks either carry their own needles with them or buy a fresh pack for each treatment. Between hep and HIV the word has spread.

The limitations of western medicine (and thought) are well-known enough that an open and inquisitive mind will consider alternatives, even if they do not conform to the holy standard of the western scientific method. How much about the workings of the human body is still unknown? How often have the poo-bahs of science and medicine changed their tune for us in the past fifty years?

It was amusing to note that when the CIA found out the KGB was devoting serious time, money and attention to paranormal phenomena (particularly those having to do with practical skills like psychokinesis) they very grudgingly delved a bit into it themselves. But with fingers crossed. The Soviets had no prejudice about such matters: whatever might work, they gave it a shot. Not that much came out of it but the point is that they were not self-limiting the way farkers apparently are.

Wash your hands after treating that diphtheria patient, gentlemen. Even if you don't believe in the wee beasties.
 
2013-03-19 09:15:03 PM

Farce-Side: Deacon Blue: RobSeace: Deacon Blue: Homopaths

NTTAWWT

Nobody's complimented  me on my troll yet.  I thought it was pretty good

2/10.  Not enough bites before you revealed it as a troll.


That's like Roy D. Mercer talking about 'africadesiacs'.
 
2013-03-20 03:43:52 AM

willfullyobscure: LiberalConservative: willfullyobscure: LiberalConservative: willfullyobscure: acupuncture remains popular because when people have it done, they feel and see undeniable results. Otherwise they wouldn't go back, QED. Suck on it, haters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

I think you ought to get some placards made up, with bloody needles on them or something,  and you can stand outside your local acupuncture clinic. When patients go in and out, you can scream at them: "YOU DIDN'T REALLY FEEL ANYTHING. YOU'RE NOT FEELING ANYTHING! YOU CAN'T FEEEEEEL IT!!1!1"

Interesting idea. Though i expect they do feel something as needles are stuck into them. Probably better to hand out flyers explaining the placebo effect. Or perhaps just business cards with an appropriate URL. Pity it won't make much difference; always another innocent ready to be scammed (by someone who unfortunately is probably also deluded into thinking their service is medically valid).


You do not feel the needles when inserted; or if you do, the practitioner has made a mistake. What you do feel is (usually) an immediate sense of drowsiness and well-being followed by a variety of stimulating

are placebo effects as the acupuncturist manipulates the needles. The effects can be varied (because they are placebo effects) quite a bit, from sweating to hot flashes to feelings of sleepiness, alertness, calm or agitation (wait a second - you said they didn't feel anything!?!?!) depending on what's desired an individual's experienced placebo effect. Acupuncture is often used to relieve attempt treatment of constipation or congestion and the effects are none or on occasion proximate (due to placebo effect), to say the least.

But you go right ahead and tell the patients it's all in their heads. Whatever lets you sleep at night, hon.


FTFY. But you are right on this last point - educating people to help reduce their likelihood of being scammed certainly does help me sleep at night.
Not much point responding either - I'm pretty sure you fall into that deluded category.
 
2013-03-20 10:55:26 AM

LiberalConservative: (due to placebo effect), to say the least.But you go right ahead and tell the patients it's all in their heads. Whatever lets you sleep at night, hon.FTFY. But you are right on this last point - educating people to help reduce their likelihood of being scammed certainly does help me sleep at night.Not much point responding either - I'm pretty sure you fall into that deluded category.


Here you go, friendo: a meta study rounding up most of the legitimate research into acupuncture:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18711761

Its quite real- there's more than thirty years of controlled studies on the mechanism. Nobody fully understands it, in biological terms, but it is unmistakably present.

So perhaps its time you stop taking what you know on blind faith and do a little research? I know its easier to simply make up your mind about what is and isn't real based on your own feelings and wishes for it to be true, but the real world doesn't work that way.
 
2013-03-20 10:56:19 PM

willfullyobscure: LiberalConservative: (due to placebo effect), to say the least.But you go right ahead and tell the patients it's all in their heads. Whatever lets you sleep at night, hon.FTFY. But you are right on this last point - educating people to help reduce their likelihood of being scammed certainly does help me sleep at night.Not much point responding either - I'm pretty sure you fall into that deluded category.

Here you go, friendo: a meta study rounding up most of the legitimate research into acupuncture:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18711761


Fail. The article only summarises theories oh how AA may/might/perhaps work. And it does this by only referencing favourable articles to its own conclusion. The article does not even address the initial question of whether AA is a valid medically proven treatment. A search of the article for "placebo" returns... oh my golly gosh... ZERO occurances. From these points its blindingly obvious this article is NOT a "meta study rounding up most of the legitimate research into acupuncture".

Its quite real- there's more than thirty years of controlled studies on the mechanism.

Fail. That any topic/phenomena has been studied for thirty years is not proof it is real/exists.

Nobody fully understands it, in biological terms, but it is unmistakably present.

Fail. The placebo effect is very well understood, demonstrated, and proven. And provides the best explanation for effects that are "unmistakenly present" but that "nobody understands".

So perhaps its time you stop taking what you know on blind faith and do a little research? I know its easier to simply make up your mind about what is and isn't real based on your own feelings and wishes for it to be true, but the real world doesn't work that way.

From your points above it is pretty clear that this last piece of text applies to yourself.
I've got more important things to do than reply to the deluded. By all means continue accepting any studies that support your beliefs/desires while ignoring an overwhelming majority of studies to the contrary. I'll just have to hope the sharing of your beliefs cause minimal harm to others that are ignorant of objective and quantitative enquiry.
 
2013-03-21 11:27:54 AM

LiberalConservative: From these points its blindingly obvious this article is NOT a "meta study rounding up most of the legitimate research into acupuncture".


I like how you explained yourself out of bothering to read any of the reams of research this study references. You did the internet equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and going lalalalala.

I only linked this study because it was the easiest roundup- it was far from the first public research on Google.

It works on rabbits and horses, dude. placebo that fact away.

None so blind as those that will not see --Gandalf
 
Displayed 27 of 77 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report