Ed Grubermann: WhyteRaven74: It's not that they evolved shorter wings, it's that having shorter wings is in the given environment more advantageous for survival. Thus those individuals with short wings are more likely to reproduce and reproduce more often, leading to even more short winged individuals in the population. And that change in the frequency of a trait in response to an environmental pressure is what evolution is.Ergo: they evolved shorter wings.
AverageAmericanGuy: In a scientific test, mice had their tails cut off. Generation after generation, these mice had their tails cut off.After hundreds of generations, you know how many mice were born without tails?None. None of them evolved the feature that their environment was forcing on them.Now maybe these little birds in the wild evolved shorter wings over the course of 30 years. Or maybe they just got smart about staying away from cars on the highway. On the Galapagos Island, birds used to be indifferent or curious about humans. After their encounter with humans, they learned to be wary.So are we talking about evolution in the space of 30 years, even when scientific studies have shown that environmental pressure does not influence such a change? Or are we talking about learned behavior?Birds are smart. Bird-brained evolutionists, not so much.
uttertosh: dready zim: If only it still applied to humans.AAG is clearly operating under the assumption that trolls will inherit the earth.Wait, did he say "Blessed are the cheesemakers?"
Well, the story sounds like an urban legend or something misremembered by Karl Pilkington, but in essence, the idea of getting short-tailed mice by cutting their tales off sounds Lamarckian. Of course, cutting mice's tails off doesn't really affect their chances of reproducing (Darwinian evolution) or the usefulness of long versus short-tails (Lamarckian evolution).
I am proud to be the product of billions of years of slow progress rather than thousands of years of everything going to Hell in a Handcart pushed by God and robbed of apples by the Devil, thank you.
GeneralJim: brantgoose: Well, the story sounds like an urban legend or something misremembered by Karl Pilkington, but in essence, the idea of getting short-tailed mice by cutting their tales off sounds Lamarckian. Of course, cutting mice's tails off doesn't really affect their chances of reproducing (Darwinian evolution) or the usefulness of long versus short-tails (Lamarckian evolution).Holy farking shiat. Cut off tails are NOT an inherited characteristic, FFS. You should NEVER attempt to correct anyone on anything to do with science... not even someone as dumb and/or trolling as AAG.
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Are you suggesting that cars migrate?
What (African) cars migrating might look like
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