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2013-03-18 10:21:35 PM
It's not a question of where he grips it.
 
2013-03-18 10:32:35 PM
What do you mean? An African or European swallow?
 
2013-03-18 10:35:47 PM
Well, it doesn't matter.
 
2013-03-18 10:57:10 PM
How do you know so much about swallows?
 
2013-03-19 12:38:51 AM
What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?
 
2013-03-19 01:44:54 AM
It's a simple matter of weight ratios. A 5 ounce bird cannot beat a 1 ton car.
 
2013-03-19 03:39:43 AM

mamoru: It's a simple matter of weight ratios. A 5 ounce bird cannot beat a 1 ton car.


Obviously you haven't heard of the Superbird.

www.smcars.net
 
2013-03-19 05:38:39 AM
Well we know this article is BS because evolution is just a theory
 
2013-03-19 05:40:10 AM
It's not that they evolved shorter wings, it's that having shorter wings is in the given environment more advantageous for survival. Thus those individuals with short wings are more likely to reproduce and reproduce more often, leading to even more short winged individuals in the population. And that change in the frequency of a trait in response to an environmental pressure is what evolution is.
 
2013-03-19 05:47:46 AM
In a scientific test, mice had their tails cut off. Generation after generation, these mice had their tails cut off.

After hundreds of generations, you know how many mice were born without tails?

None. None of them evolved the feature that their environment was forcing on them.

Now maybe these little birds in the wild evolved shorter wings over the course of 30 years. Or maybe they just got smart about staying away from cars on the highway. On the Galapagos Island, birds used to be indifferent or curious about humans. After their encounter with humans, they learned to be wary.

So are we talking about evolution in the space of 30 years, even when scientific studies have shown that environmental pressure does not influence such a change? Or are we talking about learned behavior?

Birds are smart. Bird-brained evolutionists, not so much.
 
2013-03-19 05:51:15 AM

WhyteRaven74: It's not that they evolved shorter wings, it's that having shorter wings is in the given environment more advantageous for survival. Thus those individuals with short wings are more likely to reproduce and reproduce more often, leading to even more short winged individuals in the population. And that change in the frequency of a trait in response to an environmental pressure is what evolution is.


Ergo: they evolved shorter wings.
 
2013-03-19 05:54:12 AM

Ed Grubermann: WhyteRaven74: It's not that they evolved shorter wings, it's that having shorter wings is in the given environment more advantageous for survival. Thus those individuals with short wings are more likely to reproduce and reproduce more often, leading to even more short winged individuals in the population. And that change in the frequency of a trait in response to an environmental pressure is what evolution is.

Ergo: they evolved shorter wings.



Evolution is only a model.
 
2013-03-19 06:03:14 AM
This strikes me as some researchers should swallow their pride and admit BS and that they were desperately trying to justify the car load of cash they were given.
Based on that theory the European swallow should have shorter wings then the African as there is more cars in Europe then in Africa.
// car totals based on a guess just like the article
 
2013-03-19 06:11:04 AM

WhyteRaven74: It's not that they evolved shorter wings, it's that having shorter wings is in the given environment more advantageous for survival. Thus those individuals with short wings are more likely to reproduce and reproduce more often, leading to even more short winged individuals in the population. And that change in the frequency of a trait in response to an environmental pressure is what evolution is.


That is what evolution is. People that understand the concept know this. It's the denailers who refuse to even try to understand the concept which have no clue whats going on. Take AAG here. Perfect example.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:18 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: In a scientific test, mice had their tails cut off. Generation after generation, these mice had their tails cut off.

After hundreds of generations, you know how many mice were born without tails?

None. None of them evolved the feature that their environment was forcing on them.

Now maybe these little birds in the wild evolved shorter wings over the course of 30 years. Or maybe they just got smart about staying away from cars on the highway. On the Galapagos Island, birds used to be indifferent or curious about humans. After their encounter with humans, they learned to be wary.

So are we talking about evolution in the space of 30 years, even when scientific studies have shown that environmental pressure does not influence such a change? Or are we talking about learned behavior?

Birds are smart. Bird-brained evolutionists, not so much.


Your comment was simply for fun right? Shrug. Birds may be smart but they are not able to postulate and investigate theories as the "bird-brained evolutionists" are. I recall papers where dandelion plants evolved shorter flower stalks in response to lawn mowing within a similar timeframe. Am pretty sure the dandelions did not learn new behaviour. So within 30 years would not be impossible. Regardless, would think it to be a question of number of generations rather than the number of years. Also, wariness to humans may not be a purley learned behaviour but could actually be a genetic evolved trait (or partialy); birds that are less wary due to their genes get removed more often.
 
2013-03-19 06:14:44 AM

LiberalConservative: AverageAmericanGuy: In a scientific test, mice had their tails cut off. Generation after generation, these mice had their tails cut off.

After hundreds of generations, you know how many mice were born without tails?

None. None of them evolved the feature that their environment was forcing on them.

Now maybe these little birds in the wild evolved shorter wings over the course of 30 years. Or maybe they just got smart about staying away from cars on the highway. On the Galapagos Island, birds used to be indifferent or curious about humans. After their encounter with humans, they learned to be wary.

So are we talking about evolution in the space of 30 years, even when scientific studies have shown that environmental pressure does not influence such a change? Or are we talking about learned behavior?

Birds are smart. Bird-brained evolutionists, not so much.

Your comment was simply for fun right? Shrug. Birds may be smart but they are not able to postulate and investigate theories as the "bird-brained evolutionists" are. I recall papers where dandelion plants evolved shorter flower stalks in response to lawn mowing within a similar timeframe. Am pretty sure the dandelions did not learn new behaviour. So within 30 years would not be impossible. Regardless, would think it to be a question of number of generations rather than the number of years. Also, wariness to humans may not be a purley learned behaviour but could actually be a genetic evolved trait (or partialy); birds that are less wary due to their genes get removed more often.


You're arguing with an old fark Troll here. Just let it go, man. Colour him a troll colour and just ignore his babbling in the future.
 
2013-03-19 06:15:36 AM
Its simple. Birds with longs wings die. The rest don`t.

Result? No birds with long wings.

Evolution is just death due to being crap at something. If only it still applied to humans.
 
2013-03-19 06:18:20 AM

dready zim: Its simple. Birds with longs wings die. The rest don`t.

Result? No birds with long wings.

Evolution is just death due to being crap at something. If only it still applied to humans.


Warning labels = Anti-evolution conspiracy
 
2013-03-19 06:18:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: In a scientific test, mice had their tails cut off. Generation after generation, these mice had their tails cut off.

After hundreds of generations, you know how many mice were born without tails?

None. None of them evolved the feature that their environment was forcing on them.


If no mice die then evolution does not happen. Evolution is just death due to being crap at something. If only it still applied to humans...

Sometime only droll beats troll.
 
2013-03-19 06:19:16 AM

Smoking GNU: dready zim: Its simple. Birds with longs wings die. The rest don`t.

Result? No birds with long wings.

Evolution is just death due to being crap at something. If only it still applied to humans.

Warning labels = Anti-evolution conspiracy


Also speed limits, health and safety and motorbike helmets.
 
2013-03-19 06:22:37 AM

dready zim: Smoking GNU: dready zim: Its simple. Birds with longs wings die. The rest don`t.

Result? No birds with long wings.

Evolution is just death due to being crap at something. If only it still applied to humans.

Warning labels = Anti-evolution conspiracy

Also speed limits, health and safety and motorbike helmets.


Did you know that almost 1/3 of americans are registered as organ donors BUT that only a very small portion of them have bought a motorcycle to show they're serious about the commitment?
 
2013-03-19 06:22:50 AM
Evolution is a myth.

The aliens who engineered everything clip the wings for fun when no one's looking.
 
2013-03-19 06:22:54 AM

dready zim: Its simple. Birds with longs wings die. The rest don`t.

Result? No birds with long wings.

Evolution is just death due to being crap at something. If only it still applied to humans.


it does, but then compassionate humans get in the way of evolution and invent ways to "save lives"
 
2013-03-19 06:24:48 AM
I mean... er... um... evolution is JUST a theory... or... um... garble garble garble!
 
2013-03-19 06:27:06 AM

Smoking GNU: You're arguing with an old fark Troll here. Just let it go, man. Colour him a troll colour and just ignore his babbling in the future.


I suspected so, but that is ok. Not upset or anything. I actually find him too entertaining to ignore. Think getting a new job today has made me happy and less wary... hope I don't get selected out.
 
2013-03-19 06:32:44 AM
God be praised!

www.rankopedia.com
 
2013-03-19 06:43:23 AM

dready zim: If only it still applied to humans.


AAG is clearly operating under the assumption that trolls will inherit the earth.
 
2013-03-19 07:01:19 AM

AverageAmericanGuy:

In a scientific test, mice had their tails cut off. Generation after generation, these mice had their tails cut off.

After hundreds of generations, you know how many mice were born without tails?

None. None of them evolved the feature that their environment was forcing on them.

Holy Fark.  I thought everyone knew how evolution worked... at least those able to type.

cdn.memestache.com
 
2013-03-19 07:08:26 AM

uttertosh: dready zim: If only it still applied to humans.

AAG is clearly operating under the assumption that trolls will inherit the earth.


Wait, did he say "Blessed are the cheesemakers?"
 
2013-03-19 07:15:27 AM

dready zim: If only it still applied to humans.


Oh, it still applies to humans. Traffic and modern warfare have taken the place of cave bears and saber-tooth tigers, and we've still got disease and famine, and we're about to enter a world with a new and exiting climate.

...And it'll get real interesting when we start tinkering with our own genes.
 
2013-03-19 07:15:49 AM

ihopOVERpancakes: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?


Lacey Duvall vs Sylvia Saint?

/for science!
 
2013-03-19 07:16:03 AM

ciberido: uttertosh: dready zim: If only it still applied to humans.

AAG is clearly operating under the assumption that trolls will inherit the earth.

Wait, did he say "Blessed are the cheesemakers?"


LMAO!
 
2013-03-19 07:17:25 AM

Smoking GNU: It's the denailers who refuse to even try to understand the concept which have no clue whats going on.


4.bp.blogspot.com
?
 
2013-03-19 07:23:20 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: In a scientific test, mice had their tails cut off. Generation after generation, these mice had their tails cut off.

After hundreds of generations, you know how many mice were born without tails?

None. None of them evolved the feature that their environment was forcing on them.



However, having their tails cut off with a carving knife, did cause three of the mice to go blind.
 
2013-03-19 07:49:51 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: In a scientific test, mice had their tails cut off. Generation after generation, these mice had their tails cut off.

After hundreds of generations, you know how many mice were born without tails?

None. None of them evolved the feature that their environment was forcing on them.

Now maybe these little birds in the wild evolved shorter wings over the course of 30 years. Or maybe they just got smart about staying away from cars on the highway. On the Galapagos Island, birds used to be indifferent or curious about humans. After their encounter with humans, they learned to be wary.

So are we talking about evolution in the space of 30 years, even when scientific studies have shown that environmental pressure does not influence such a change? Or are we talking about learned behavior?

Birds are smart. Bird-brained evolutionists, not so much.


You cannot possibly be this stupid.
 
2013-03-19 07:55:25 AM

Free Radical: AverageAmericanGuy: In a scientific test, mice had their tails cut off. Generation after generation, these mice had their tails cut off.

After hundreds of generations, you know how many mice were born without tails?

None. None of them evolved the feature that their environment was forcing on them.

Now maybe these little birds in the wild evolved shorter wings over the course of 30 years. Or maybe they just got smart about staying away from cars on the highway. On the Galapagos Island, birds used to be indifferent or curious about humans. After their encounter with humans, they learned to be wary.

So are we talking about evolution in the space of 30 years, even when scientific studies have shown that environmental pressure does not influence such a change? Or are we talking about learned behavior?

Birds are smart. Bird-brained evolutionists, not so much.

You cannot possibly be this stupid.


stick around... find out for yourself
 
2013-03-19 08:03:24 AM
Are you suggesting automobiles migrate?
 
2013-03-19 08:12:21 AM

ihopOVERpancakes: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?


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The Billdozer: ihopOVERpancakes: What do you mean? An African or European swallow?

Lacey Duvall vs Sylvia Saint?

/for science!


Lacey Duvalle:

209.160.28.41

Silvia Saint:

www.lavozlibre.com

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-19 08:18:05 AM

dready zim: Its simple. Birds with longs wings die. The rest don`t.

Result? No birds with long wings.

Evolution is just death due to being crap at something. If only it still applied to humans.


It does, just taking longer, because of modern medecine. Just be patient.
 
2013-03-19 08:23:42 AM

Ed Grubermann: WhyteRaven74: It's not that they evolved shorter wings, it's that having shorter wings is in the given environment more advantageous for survival. Thus those individuals with short wings are more likely to reproduce and reproduce more often, leading to even more short winged individuals in the population. And that change in the frequency of a trait in response to an environmental pressure is what evolution is.

Ergo: they evolved shorter wings.


I am a creationist and I agree with this explanation. I accept natural selection and/or artificial selection as a means of evolution over time. I just don't believe in evolution as the origin of the human species.
 
2013-03-19 08:30:37 AM
In before the Monty Python references!
 
2013-03-19 08:37:53 AM

dready zim: Its simple. Birds with longs wings die. The rest don`t.

Result? No birds with long wings.

Evolution is just death due to being crap at something. If only it still applied to humans.


It worked on UK.

/sorry, I'm just really enjoying that
 
2013-03-19 08:41:44 AM

ltomberry:  I just don't believe in evolution as the origin of the human species.


The wonderful thing about science is that it's true whether you believe in it or not.
 
2013-03-19 08:52:55 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: In a scientific test, mice had their tails cut off. Generation after generation, these mice had their tails cut off.

After hundreds of generations, you know how many mice were born without tails?

None. None of them evolved the feature that their environment was forcing on them.

Now maybe these little birds in the wild evolved shorter wings over the course of 30 years. Or maybe they just got smart about staying away from cars on the highway. On the Galapagos Island, birds used to be indifferent or curious about humans. After their encounter with humans, they learned to be wary.

So are we talking about evolution in the space of 30 years, even when scientific studies have shown that environmental pressure does not influence such a change? Or are we talking about learned behavior?

Birds are smart. Bird-brained evolutionists, not so much.


If you are average, this country is farked.
 
2013-03-19 09:24:47 AM

ltomberry: I am a creationist and I agree with this explanation. I accept natural selection and/or artificial selection as a means of evolution over time. I just don't believe in evolution as the origin of the human species.


Why not? What other explanation is there for the kludge-fest that is the human body? The spine is great for swimming creatures, who first evolved it, but it's crap for a vertical land animal ...and to repeat myself from another thread: External testicles? What all-knowing, all-powerful, all-loving god would give us external testicles? That alone is proof against Genesis.

If the human body was designed, the designer must have been a retard or a sadist.
 
2013-03-19 09:35:36 AM
In related news, people still mix up adaptation, natural selection, and evolution. One of these things is not like the other.

/Non-migratory
 
2013-03-19 09:55:51 AM

dready zim: Its simple. Birds with longs wings die. The rest don`t.

Result? No birds with long wings.

Evolution is just death due to being crap at something. If only it still applied to humans.


I think you have found a solution to no child left behind.
 
2013-03-19 10:11:15 AM

Ed Grubermann: WhyteRaven74: It's not that they evolved shorter wings, it's that having shorter wings is in the given environment more advantageous for survival. Thus those individuals with short wings are more likely to reproduce and reproduce more often, leading to even more short winged individuals in the population. And that change in the frequency of a trait in response to an environmental pressure is what evolution is.

Ergo: they evolved shorter wings.


Yes, but not TO accomplish goal x.

They didn't gain shorter wings, rather they had their economic diversity trimmed by environmental pressures.
 
2013-03-19 10:16:25 AM
but but but bananas

www.damnedifgodexists.com
 
2013-03-19 10:43:42 AM

bongmiester: but but but bananas

[www.damnedifgodexists.com image 600x788]


I could have gone the entire rest of the year with out that.

/quick, more brainbleach!
 
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