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(Chicago Trib)   Singer Michelle Shocked shocks San Francisco audience with anti-gay rant, tells people to spread the word; future show venues drop her like a crazy hot potato   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 174
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2013-03-19 09:58:17 AM  

theorellior: Sgt Otter: I remember the name, but the song I thought I knew her from was actually by Suzanne Vega.

Fortunately I know from personal experience that Suzanne Vega is *not* a lesbian.

/In my dreams
//Call me, Suzanne!


True! But her concerts certainly attract that crowd.  Was one of a handful of men at the show I went to back in the 90s. Good show!

/Would hit her like Luka
//Wait, that didn't come out right...
 
2013-03-19 09:58:19 AM  
In before the "b..b..but the First Amendment" constitutional scholars.
 
2013-03-19 09:58:31 AM  

WhyteRaven74: Fluorescent Testicle: Self-hating lesbian who turned born-again as a way of overcompensating.

She's been a born again for years now, and she was raised Mormon. And yes that strengthens your point.


She has been born again for 5 years. She has been more and more hateful as the years have gone by.
I guess jesus = hate.
 
2013-03-19 10:00:38 AM  

theorellior: namatad: I always thought she was a lesbian. Oh wait, she was born again recently?
ROFL

Aw, crap. She spent most of her life fighting her batshiat fundie mother, only to fall down the rabbit hole herself. Sad. She's a great musician.


She didnt just fall down. She willingly and openly dove down that rabbit hole.
fark her and all the jesus freaks like her
/hello jesus freaks who dont got around yelling about gays and hell, you are meh, ok.
 
2013-03-19 10:11:41 AM  

ox45tallboy: I don't know but of all places for an anti-gay rant, I don't think San Francisco is the best choice.


In Jacksonville or Dallas this might have gotten a big cheer: but I'm surprised she made it out of the Bay area alive.
 
2013-03-19 10:13:03 AM  

wraithmare: True! But her concerts certainly attract that crowd. Was one of a handful of men at the show I went to back in the 90s. Good show!


Hah! In 1996 or thereabouts I saw her in Austin at a club called The Back Room. Its nickname was "The Black Doom" because it usually hosted metal, punk, and thrash shows. I'd actually seen Prong and Clutch there myself. Having Suzanne Vega in that venue was pretty weird, but it rocked surprisingly hard. And there were actually other men in the crowd!
 
2013-03-19 10:14:02 AM  

Spad31: Wait...someone explain why being gay is somehow special and deserving of any attention.



Because people go on anti-gay rants? And try to pass laws limiting their civil rights? And call them immoral?

Maybe?
 
2013-03-19 10:15:07 AM  

Thorn: I'm being sincere when I say that one of my very favorite things in the world is when Fark links to a story about a public figure doing something controversial, and the Weeners in the thread is "Who?"


Hah! Got Weenersed after all these years.
 
2013-03-19 10:22:24 AM  
In other news, her 1st Amendment right to speak her stupid bigoted opinions has backfired with other people expressing their right to respond to her stupid bigoted opinions by ending her already failing career.

Her fan base may change dramatically, but end her career? The 600 million made by that fantasy Mel Gibson produced might mean there are at least a few out there willing to support her new lifestyle.
 
2013-03-19 10:26:54 AM  

Gosling: Atomic Spunk: Unfortunately, this controversy will probably help her career.

She went full Westboro. You never go full Westboro.

The Sinead O'Connor career suicide retirement home welcomes its newest residient


www.celebrities-with-diseases.com
 
2013-03-19 10:36:57 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Man, Bob Dylan gets religion and we get a lot of songs with awesome gospel style layered over blues about how quitting drugs is hard and getting your life back on track is painful but worthwhile.  The Beatles get (strange) religion, and you get five-minute sitar ballads about how everyone should relax and get along and shiat.

Stupid pop-rock bullshiat kiddies get religion and we get rants about evil homosexuals.

That's a pretty good illustration of why modern music has kinda gone downhill since the 80s, I think.  The singers just aren't real people with actual life experiences and problems and so on anymore.


Interesting... I like that way of looking at it.
 
2013-03-19 10:38:31 AM  
Well this certainly matters.
 
2013-03-19 10:40:24 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I thought she was gay.


She was, but she got better.

/Sorry... just watched Monty Python's Holy Grail again this weekend
 
2013-03-19 10:41:13 AM  
The Xtian fundamentalist market is a gold mine.
 
2013-03-19 10:48:48 AM  

Jim_Callahan: The Beatles get (strange) religion, and you get five-minute sitar ballads about how everyone should relax and get along and shiat.


What's strange about it?  I personally think ALL religion is strange, but do you consider the Beatles' foray into eastern philosophy strange because it isn't Christian?  Certainly the hundreds of million adherents to that religion don't find it strange.

I do, but like I said, I find all religion strange.
 
2013-03-19 10:49:15 AM  
That's courage.  Much more courageous than Dixie Chicks.
 
2013-03-19 10:57:19 AM  

SkinnyHead: That's courage.  Much more courageous than Dixie Chicks.


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Oh look, SkinnyHead made a choice.
 
2013-03-19 11:03:42 AM  

ox45tallboy: I don't know but of all places for an anti-gay rant, I don't think San Francisco is the best choice.


I'm reminded of the "Danger Seekers" segment in the Kentucky Fried Movie.
 
2013-03-19 11:05:12 AM  

Hebjamn: The Sinead O'Connor career suicide retirement home welcomes its newest residient


If O'Connor had been given a chance to fully explain why she tore up the pic, and the media had been doing its job, I actually think she would have gotten a lot of sympathy and support.   For those who don't know, O'Connor had been the victim of systematic abuse in the "Magdalene Laundries" in her teens.  (She was forced into the system at 14 and only got out after 4 yrs)

Magdalene Laundries were a sort of "reform school" run by the Catholic church which basically imprisoned girls and forced them into hard labor of running actual laundries.  The entire system was endorsed and supported by the government and 10's of thousands of young girls had been forced into they system over their years of operations.  It was virtual slavery and many of the girls were subjected to severe physical and sexual abuse from the Nun's, Priests and Catholic Lay Members who ran the places.

The full horror of what happened in the Magdalene Laundries really didn't come out until the last few years after so many women came forward recounting their mistreatment.  The Govt of Ireland just issued an official apology just this February, 2013, to the women for their role in the mess.  Some women were dropped off as orphans at young ages and were never allowed to leave, with many dying fairly young due to their exposure of chemicals over their 14 hr work days.

I've read the story of one young woman who had been dropped off with the Sister's of Magdalene at age 2 and by age 7 she was already responsible for cooking breakfast for something like 40 other children, by age 19 she was impregnated (by someone obviously working for the sisters as she wasn't allowed to leave the facility) and that "immoral" act was used as the basis for making her stay (her twin daughters were put up for adoption) and by age 51, she was dead - simply worn out by 40+ years of hard labor.

If people would have actually listened to what Sinead O'Connor was saying (and the reasons for tearing up the Pope's photo - which was because he was publicly defending the Magdalene Sisters and the Magdalene Laundry system at that time) a lot of this "abuse" going on in the church would have been exposed 20 yrs earlier.
 
2013-03-19 11:07:50 AM  
Bummer. i really liked her music.
 
2013-03-19 11:09:10 AM  
Funny, I always assumed she was gay, too.

Too bad about her being a bigot because this is a phenomenal album.  It doesn't make the album and less phenomenal, just my enjoyment of it:

ecx.images-amazon.com

/hotlinky
 
2013-03-19 11:12:27 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: I thought she was gay.


Or at least strong bi

Funny but I thought 'Freedom of Speech' is a very liberal idea. I guess not when it's something you don't like.


Personally I think she was drunk/high and kidding.
At least that's what her mea culpa will be as she goes of the education camp.
 
2013-03-19 11:13:34 AM  
Two typos:

1) 'Kidding'
an d
2) RE-education camp.
 
2013-03-19 11:16:29 AM  
WHY DO LIBERALS HATE THE FIRST AMENDMENT! The First Amendment specifically states that she has FREEDOM OF SPEECH. The club that canceled her performance is VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION!

/ am I doing it right?
 
2013-03-19 11:16:34 AM  

inclemency: Hey biatch, despite your irrational hatred my two male friends are married. Die. Oh, and you look like a bitter lesbian, good luck with that.


You're soooooo tolerant for a liberal.
 
2013-03-19 11:17:20 AM  
I don't think she was ever full blown, out of the closet lesbian. In fact, I believe she was/is married for a time. I think the fact that she dressed kinda mannish, had super super short hair and sang folky lefty type songs, every one assumed she was and the lesbian community allowed her honorary entry into the club. Kinda like Ani DeFranco.

I think it's safe to say the membership has been revoked.

The only thing I ever knew from her was a song called "Anchorage" that played on MTV's "120 Minutes" once.
 
2013-03-19 11:22:36 AM  
What an idiot.  God doesn't hate f*gs, at least according to the New Testament.  It does encourage people to be not gay, but through love, understanding, and example.  Gays can disagree with that, of course, but the virulent anti-gay negativity isn't supposed to be there.

Christianity is wholly-based on forgiveness for wrongdoings, being charitable, being a good example to others, and evangelizing the Good Word at whatever level of loudness you're comfortable.

Christianity as many people publicly portray it, as is the case with most belief systems, is flawed and lost its real intention.
 
2013-03-19 11:23:53 AM  

RedT: In before the "b..b..but the First Amendment" constitutional scholars.


Meaning what exactly?

You hate her for saying this but when Muslim calls for the death of America or gays or the subjugation of women or forcing women to have clitorectomies not...one....word.

And you say 'That's a religion saying that stuff so it's ok' and yet...YET when a Christian comes out with something you consider 'stupid' you have a fit.

You are what is called a 'hypocrite'.
 
2013-03-19 11:32:41 AM  

Hebjamn: Gosling: Atomic Spunk: Unfortunately, this controversy will probably help her career.

She went full Westboro. You never go full Westboro.

The Sinead O'Connor career suicide retirement home welcomes its newest residient

[www.celebrities-with-diseases.com image 600x400]



You could say she picked an inappropriate venue to make her point, but Sinead was dead-farking-on about the child sex abuse in the Church. What she did probably wouldn't be too controversial today.
 
2013-03-19 11:36:18 AM  
I don't know about you guys, but Yoshi's San Francisco is about as nice a place to see a show as any I've been.  Parking in the Fillmore isn't a treat, but the club and restaurant are pretty spectacular.
 
2013-03-19 11:42:18 AM  
Dammit so much. Her "When I Grow Up (I Want To Be An Old Woman)" is one of my favorite songs.

Maan. That's just gonna taint my listening. :(
 
2013-03-19 11:43:52 AM  
From another article I read, it seemed she was on a rant about how bad gay marriage was, end of society, etc. and in response to people walking out on her, she sarcastically said, "Now you're going to go and say 'Michelle hates f*****s'" (that is, not toeing the line = hatred).

Not to say people shouldn't be unhappy with her over her sermon, but the more profane thing/s she said should be viewed in context.
 
2013-03-19 11:45:17 AM  
Fark Thread Betting Odds

Gay, overcompensating - 2:1
Gay, religious and self loathing - 7:1
Not gay, religious, hateful - 27:1
Not gay, not religious, just sick of being hit on by women - 151:1
 
2013-03-19 11:49:26 AM  
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Angeles_Church_of_God_in_Christ

""West A" is known for both its influential pastor, dynamic city ministries and for its celebrity members, which include Magic Johnson, Denzel Washington, Stevie Wonder, Michelle Shocked, and Angela Bassett."
 
2013-03-19 11:53:19 AM  

SkinnyHead: That's courage.  Much more courageous than Dixie Chicks.


Just about on par with the funeral-protesting lunatic crowd, yeah. All she needs is a few dead marines and she'll be an outright hero, eh?
 
2013-03-19 12:03:59 PM  

TomD9938: From another article I read, it seemed she was on a rant about how bad gay marriage was, end of society, etc. and in response to people walking out on her, she sarcastically said, "Now you're going to go and say 'Michelle hates f*****s'" (that is, not toeing the line = hatred).

Not to say people shouldn't be unhappy with her over her sermon, but the more profane thing/s she said should be viewed in context.


Technically, she did say that, right?

...but technicality aside, arguing against gay marriage in while appearing at a San Fransicsco venue, performing to your audience, which is largely lesbians, isn't the best career decision.
 
2013-03-19 12:04:55 PM  
Where does Phranc fit into all this??
 
2013-03-19 12:08:41 PM  

LesserEvil: Technically, she did say that, right?


Yes. That's where context comes in.

LesserEvil: technicality aside, arguing against gay marriage in while appearing at a San Fransicsco venue, performing to your audience, which is largely lesbians, isn't the best career decision.


I'd call it 'stupid' even.
 
2013-03-19 12:09:41 PM  

SkinnyHead: That's courage.  Much more courageous than Dixie Chicks.


Believe it or not, there are actually some deeply religious people who express their views on gay marraige and same-sex relationships without resorting to name calling and slurs.

I know.  This must blow your meager little mind, but it's true!
 
2013-03-19 12:10:55 PM  

Lutrasimilis: SkinnyHead: That's courage.  Much more courageous than Dixie Chicks.

Just about on par with the funeral-protesting lunatic crowd, yeah. All she needs is a few dead marines and she'll be an outright hero, eh?


To SkinnyHead? Yeah, probably.
 
2013-03-19 12:17:51 PM  
I've seen her perform over a dozen times and her musical style changed every time.  She's a fantastic performer and always has put on a great show.  I even get her monthly emails listing upcoming shows.  While she's always been different, this time I think she's gone totally nuts.

At a show in Chicago (the Cubby Bear, next to Wrigley) in the 90's she got harassed onstage by gay activists.  They wanted her to come out of the closet (the show was during pride week).  Instead she pointed out that she was getting married or had recently done it.  The gay audience members were really annoying, but Michelle took it in stride and played on.  The show had already been delayed because she'd been in NYC taping the Letterman show and her flight to Chicago got in late.  mid-way through the show the lights dimmed and a giant screen dropped behind the stage.  They played the Letterman segment live and we all got to watch Michelle watch herself on TV.  She was all weepy-eyed and we all thought that this was going to be her break-out moment.

Seems that mental illness has chewed her up something fierce...
 
2013-03-19 12:33:07 PM  
How sad.  She is one of the great unknown indie/folk artists of the era.  Her cover of the great Jean Richie's "The L&M Don't Stop Here Anymore" is amazing.  Some of her original songs are really great too.  She had two pop hits back in the 70's or 80's: "When I Grow Up" and "Anchorage."  The last one had the most airtime, but the first was more representative of her indie/folk sound.  She had a hit when Fog Town (one of her best songs, actually) got picked up by a different indie/folk band and made it into the soundtrack for a movie, and their cover of her song was nominated for an Oscar for best original song.

She had a few semi-successful albums but then sort of faded away.  I basically lost track of her despite her music being at the top of my playlists.

I saw her in San Francisco a few years back at the Swedish-American Hall.  It was a tiny venue, and we were right up in front (on folding chairs- that's how tiny it was).  I took my wife and two kids with me because the kids needed to experience some alternate culture and music.  It was quite the eye opener for them.  She is NOT mainstream three-chord verse-chorus-verse-bridge-verse-chorus-fade vanilla pop.  But she IS a talented musician.

I also thought she was gay, but it's interesting that I've fallen into the "butch=gay" trap despite the fact that I've considered myself fairly enlightened on this subject.  It's always good to have your preconceptions challenged.

I'd almost overlook this because she's whacked out in a lot of ways, and this is probably just another manifestation.  Sometimes I think talent requires a hearty helping of insanity, or something like it.  And the more talent you have the more insanity you're given.  Add conservative religion into the mix, and this is what you get.
 
2013-03-19 12:41:30 PM  
So she's hoping promoters will cancel her future shows so she can go on Fox News and complain she is being repressed? After that there will be a huge facebook campaign by other fundies to go out and buy her album on one day to teach the dirty liberals a lessons. She'll then spend all her time touring in small southern communities with a lot of Born agains. Not a great plan but it will probably work.
 
2013-03-19 01:26:08 PM  

ox45tallboy: I don't know but of all places for an anti-gay rant, I don't think San Francisco is the best choice.


Yeah about the only thing worse would be berating immigrants in a border town....
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2013-03-19 01:26:42 PM  

douchebag/hater: Funny but I thought 'Freedom of Speech' is a very liberal idea. I guess not when it's something you don't like.


Who's infringing her right to speak freely?
 
2013-03-19 01:41:59 PM  
She better anchor down in Anchorage until this blows over!

Too soon?
 
2013-03-19 02:03:51 PM  
:  Peter Murphy's caught hit and running with meth.

2nd: Michelle Shocked goes off the rails in a self-loathing anti-gay rant.


Who will be next to fulfill the '80s alt musician schadenfreude crash and burn trifecta?
 
2013-03-19 02:09:37 PM  
Anchorage is one of my all time favorites, and I remember being into her Arkansas Traveler disc for quite a while. She's a talented woman, and I'm sad to hear she's hopped aboard the hate train, regardless of the reason.

Leroy most definitely does not say hello.
 
2013-03-19 02:46:36 PM  

JohnnyApocalypse: I'm guessing most the posters here are under 30 or just weren't into the 80s indie scene. Michelle Shocked was (was) a fairly big name once.


I'm old enough to have been there, but I never understood the appeal back then. I thought her fade into obscurity was well deserved. Now I guess she's nailing the coffin shut on her career from the inside. Best of luck to you homophobic biatch.
 
2013-03-19 02:47:16 PM  

inclemency: Hey biatch, despite your irrational hatred my two male friends are married. Die. Oh, and you look like a bitter lesbian, good luck with that.


Thats pretty gross. Congrrats on your friends being nasty as hell.
 
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