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(Craigslist)   This Walking Dead fan from Atlanta might have come up with a way to actually save Rick's and everyone else's ass still in the prison from the wrath of the Governor and random Walkers   (atlanta.craigslist.org) divider line 219
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2013-03-18 08:56:56 PM
That would not be good for the show. The whole idea is that they'er constantly in danger. Take your brilliant ideas to save the world far away from the show.
 
2013-03-18 09:04:28 PM
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2013-03-19 12:06:16 AM
Wow, a boat!  Why didn't anyone else ever think of that?
 
2013-03-19 12:07:26 AM
Here's the full text.
It's actually an interesting idea.
Yea, I agree it would "end the show," sort of like Gilligan and everyone getting off the island.

But in theory, this guy's idea makes some sense.
Walkers can't swim, after all.

(someone responding in craigslist DID point out that humans would be the bigger threat, searching you out for food and supplies, but a nice gun would put the attacker down)

anyway...............


I was thinking about the current predicament Rick and his group are in and thought of a possible solution.

I think any survivor of the Zombie Apocalypse in the Atlanta area should head for the coast as soon as possible. I believe making it to the ocean increases their chances of survival greatly.

Once there they could commandeer a boat which would give them far more protection than the prison ever did simply because it can be taken out to sea where the Walkers can't get them. They don't need to be experienced sailors to accomplish this either. A boat anchored half mile to a mile out at sea would give them enough security to be able to sleep at night without fear of attack. In the morning the boat could simply return to shore.

They would have access to a natural food supply; fish, crabs, lobster and shellfish. And even if they aren't professional sailors they could travel along the coastline scavenging towns they come by. Traveling by sea would be far, far safer than by land and they could cover a larger distance. Ideally eventually making it to an island would keep them safe from Walkers and other Humans as well.

They would never make it to Savannah because they would have to travel over ground on foot because all of the roads are blocked with abandoned cars. There are just too many Walkers between here and Savannah to make that plan plausible. Also Savannah is a population center which means the closer you get to it the more Walkers you encounter.

Here is my plan for getting Rick and his group to the coast;

1. Seek out and raid all Sporting Goods and Hunting Supply stores for Canoes, Inflatable Rafts, Camouflage Netting, Cross Bows, Field Ration Packs and, most important, Ghillie Suits. Also any fireworks if possible. (Fireworks can be used to distract the Walkers)

2. Once they have all the supplies they need head for the Chattahoochee River and use the boats to head downstream. Using the Camo Netting and Ghillie Suits to make themselves appear to be nothing more than piles of swampy leaves floating on the water. This disguise would not fool the average person but any Walkers that might spot them would not be aroused as long as everyone was quiet.

3. Traveling this way by boat they could cover much more ground in a shorter period of time since all the roads are blocked by abandoned cars. There is also less chance of encountering Walkers (or at least I believe so). If they remained Camouflaged it might give them an edge if the unexpected happens. Maybe giving them time to avoid trouble.

4. According to Google Maps it would take 104 hours (4 days) to walk from Atlanta to Apalachicola, FL where the Chattahoochee empties into the ocean. I believe by boat they could do it in less or equal time. It would require less physical exertion than walking so they would not be worn out from the journey. As long as the boats remained Camouflaged they could be secured and slept in at night. Possibly away from the shore giving them added safety.

For the most part the Chattahoochee travels through secluded areas which would be ideal until it hits Columbus. That would be a problem. But once again as long as they remain quiet it could be possible to pass through the city appearing to be nothing more than a pile of weeds.

That's my plan, I invite criticism. Please feel free to point out any weak spots I may have overlooked.

Thanks
 
2013-03-19 12:09:24 AM
I can't decide which super fans are more pathetic. Walking Dead or Game of Thrones?
 
2013-03-19 12:09:53 AM
It's more than just "a boat" though.
The idea goes all out. Using gillie suits to hide for camoflauge...and camo'ing the boat itself...just living off of the land rather than having to hunt rabbits, deer, etc. And of course when you're fishing the noises are a little less. Hunting a deer for food for your survival party, that usually uses a gun if you aren't a good shot with a bow an arrow, and it's been established that Walkers can be attracted to loud noises such as gunshots.

Fireworks to distract Walkers....that's not a bad idea. At the very least, it would throw them off for the few seconds you would need to escape.
 
2013-03-19 12:10:27 AM

Fiction Fan: Also any fireworks if possible. (Fireworks can be used to distract the Walkers)


Yeah, pity fireworks are illegal in Georgia. Maybe some bottle rockets or sparklers, but I don't think that's going to help.
 
2013-03-19 12:12:35 AM
Re: Walking Dead Survival Idea (The real OTR)I'm really surprised the Obama crazies have jumped out their bunkers to respond yet...but anywho here's my take:

It won't work...it sounds like a great idea but the problem in the post-apocalypse zombie world is the people not the zombies...food will be scarce and readily available water will be scarce...the show does a horrible job (as does the comic) of showing a realistic portrayal of what life would be like...no one would be well fed & heathly looking everyone would at the point of starvation...that's right even you preppers out there would be struggling for survival...people would gravitate toward water sources & readily available food...

Where there are desperate people there is violence...so basically in every van down by the river you would have a man in

Wait for it...

A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!

But he won't be a coked out & well fed Chris Farley type...he would hungry very hungry & armed...& more than willing to kill you & your family for a meal...

My advice when the zombie apocalypse comes is stay away from people far far away...walkers are slow and stupid...people are cunning & deadly...people don't respect human life as it is now...our society couldn't withstand three days with petrol

Cheers
 
2013-03-19 12:14:02 AM
yeah, keep your zombie Apocalypse plans to yerself there bub.  You don't want everyone copying you when it happens.

if it happens....

I've said too much.
 
2013-03-19 12:30:40 AM
If the zombies do come, I hope my asshole ex-boss is one of them.
that way I won't feel that bad about smashing his skull in with a shovel.

/doesn't have walker traps in my garage
/really
 
2013-03-19 12:42:40 AM
The prison wouldn't be so bad if the Governer weren't auch an asshole.
 
2013-03-19 12:45:56 AM

What if a Texas Ranger was a Walker?

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"If a zombie bit me, it would turn into a Chuck Norris."
 
2013-03-19 02:23:59 AM

SilentStrider: The prison wouldn't be so bad if the Governor weren't such an asshole.


The prison is ideal, even with the Governor. So many secure compartments and nothing is really flammable. It pisses me off when Rick kicks out our drives by people who could be really helpful.
 
2013-03-19 02:35:08 AM
You don't buy ghille suits, you make them from local foliage.
 
2013-03-19 02:35:29 AM
better idea, why don't they use go carts?

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/not mine
 
2013-03-19 02:39:54 AM
My favorite survival plans are the ones that include looting stores for high-value items. No way would this work, especially not a year or so after the outbreak.

Hell, the Walking Dead <i>game</i> (the episodic one from TellTale) basically already dealt with this. Yes, hitting the ocean's a good idea... but at this point, everyone who had a chance to try that already has, and they took the boats with them.
 
2013-03-19 02:44:21 AM
or just kill Andrea
 
2013-03-19 02:44:29 AM

Fiction Fan: our society couldn't withstand three days with petrol


Um...
 
2013-03-19 02:44:46 AM
What a great idea-oh, wait. ZOMBIES WORK BY SMELL. hence why glenn and rick were able to walk through downtown atlanta unscathed because they were covered in zombie guts.

unless you're willing to douse a ghillie suit in zombie guts and sleep in it every night, i'm fairly sure what Rick and the prison group/Governor and Woodbury are doing is probably the best way to survive so far.

/fail
 
2013-03-19 02:48:50 AM

Mentat: Wow, a boat!  Why didn't anyone else ever think of that?


I know, right? It's such a novel idea!


WTF Indeed: I can't decide which super fans are more pathetic. Walking Dead or Game of Thrones?


Haven't had a Firefly thread for a while so you've decided to expand your threadshiatting, I see. Kudos on branching out.
 
2013-03-19 02:51:35 AM
He writes that as if other people won't think of it, and then assault Rick's group and try to take what's theirs. THAT'S THE POINT OF GOOD ZOMBIE STORIES. Not the whole "survive the zombie apocalypse derp!" thing that the survivalists think it is, but the struggles against other people-- even those in your own group-- with the zombies as an environmental factor that forces those struggles to happen.

I'm betting that this plan would result in being pinned down and shot at by swamp folk.
 
2013-03-19 02:59:44 AM
armstreet.com

Zombie survival is silly without these guys.
 
2013-03-19 02:59:49 AM
I could imagine this plan getting you killed in a sudden storm or during hurricane season. Especially since Rick and crew have zero boating experience that we know of. Also, the walkers can see you and don't need to breathe. They will walk to your position and be under you constantly. Don't fall in the water.

This plan could be good for a very short term, but you need to be on land to make a real go at long term survival IMHO.
 
2013-03-19 03:12:05 AM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: better idea, why don't they use go carts?

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/not mine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMKyKS2LGyI
 
2013-03-19 03:19:01 AM
If the zombies do come, the whole thing will be taken care of in minutes.  Slow moving animals with sub-cattle intelligence and weak skulls that have to get close enough to bite you is the worst way imaginable to spread a disease.

There's an outbreak in your town? Lock the doors, board up the windows, play x box for two or three days until the police take them all out.
 
2013-03-19 03:34:15 AM
Where are the survivors getting their fresh water now?

And how would this guy suggest they get any when they are a mile out to sea at least half of the day??

They'll have to mad max a crude distillation rig that doesn't use fire ( boats + fire = bad mojo).

No fire means electricity and I don't think solar panels and good deep cycle batteries are gonna be easy to scavenge. Let alone charge controllers.

Like it is now access to plenty of fresh water is a key factor.
 
2013-03-19 03:34:41 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: If the zombies do come, the whole thing will be taken care of in minutes.  Slow moving animals with sub-cattle intelligence and weak skulls that have to get close enough to bite you is the worst way imaginable to spread a disease.

There's an outbreak in your town? Lock the doors, board up the windows, play x box for two or three days until the police take them all out.


I think the general idea is that there was a large seed population initially, like basically everyone was infected and 90% of the population keeled over and turned zombie in the course of a few days as a result of something airborne.  The survivors that have to be bitten in order to get a germ load large enough to turn them are the people that are "immune" to the smaller cumulative dosages they're getting from just breathing, the reason they're currently in trouble is that for the first wave of the disease it didn't really work that way.

This is consistent with most of the zombies being relatively intact; if the bite was the only way to spread it every zombie should exhibit bite wounds.  It's also the only rationalization that fits with the stupid pseudoscience bullshiat arbitrarily inserted at the end of season 1 by some moron that doesn't understand how to maintain suspension of disbelief.

But, yeah... there is a reason why most zombie movies with actual pretenses toward being horror take place over the course of a few hours or at most a few days.  Any human or group thereof that can't get out of danger more or less permanently in that period of time is either so unlucky that the audience can no longer suspend disbelief, or so stupid the audience is now rooting for the zombies.  Walking Dead is... kind of in category 2, though the comic does a better job of staying plausible (the vast majority of their problems in the comic, for instance, are other survivors and the zombies are more of a hostile local weather systems thing).
 
2013-03-19 03:38:33 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: If the zombies do come, the whole thing will be taken care of in minutes.  Slow moving animals with sub-cattle intelligence and weak skulls that have to get close enough to bite you is the worst way imaginable to spread a disease.

There's an outbreak in your town? Lock the doors, board up the windows, play x box for two or three days until the police take them all out.


The same police who have a hit ratio of  34% and show up to an active shooter event with their holo sight on backwards?
 
2013-03-19 03:52:07 AM
Whatever the zombie disease is it appears animals are immune.

My survival plan would include a large pack or huge arse canines trained to shred zombies. That and polearms, seriously does no one see the obvious advantage of a melee weapon that keeps you far away from zombie teeth?
 
2013-03-19 03:54:17 AM
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2013-03-19 03:56:45 AM
Everybody within 100 miles of atlanta would be dead from toxins released by the firestorm within about four weeks anyway, the whole show is a farking farce.
 
2013-03-19 04:06:37 AM

doglover: [armstreet.com image 600x800]

Zombie survival is silly without these guys.


You want Rick and Daryl to run around battling zombies... wearing a full suit of armor... during a Southern summer? I know it gets hot and if the stories I've heard of the humidity there are true, I think I'd rather die of the zombie virus.
 
2013-03-19 04:35:17 AM
The Walking Dead isn't interested in realistic solutions.  This is a gory drama, nothing more or less.

If there ever were to be a zombie breakout then people would band together and hunt them to extinction  in no time flat.  Humans can barely restrain themselves from extincting game animals we want to see next year.  Zombies that act like they are at the top of the food chain?  They'd all be re-deaded within a week.

Also, people tend to band together when an outside threat appears.  If things got very grim we'd join forces with one another, not break into micro-tribes hell bent on warring one another.  There might be a few loner types out there, but most people would be living in a larger community than we see in TWD.

    So yeah, no boat solution for Rick and the gang.  Anything that might be pragmatic would be detrimental to building drama.
 
2013-03-19 04:43:35 AM

erik-k: You want Rick and Daryl to run around battling zombies... wearing a full suit of armor... during a Southern summer?


No, but a non-trivial number of people own full suits of armor and 99% are fans of zombie movies.

If you don't have the guy in full plate with the sword, you're being disingenuous to our culture.

As for armor, no you don't run around in it. You walk purposefully into a building and clear it.
 
Skr
2013-03-19 04:46:17 AM
I kinda scratch my head why the zombies in films don't decay into immobility faster, especially in some of those hotter humid climates. There would be a plague of flies and carrion feeders feasting on death rather quickly. Just seems you could wait a month or two in safety while the deadites turn to goo.
 
2013-03-19 04:48:48 AM

Skr: I kinda scratch my head why the zombies in films don't decay into immobility faster, especially in some of those hotter humid climates. There would be a plague of flies and carrion feeders feasting on death rather quickly. Just seems you could wait a month or two in safety while the deadites turn to goo.


It's really a metaphor for the Irish.
 
2013-03-19 04:48:59 AM
Raiding sporting good stores is dumb and obvious.

Everyone knows you raid people who recently raided sporting good stores.
 
2013-03-19 04:51:54 AM

Tealeaf: Anything that might be pragmatic would be detrimental to building drama.


Again, the comic is well-loved mostly because it subverts this, the living folk are actually genuinely interested in really dealing with the problem, and most of them are about as intelligent as any group of people randomly selected via disease resistance rather than intelligence.

I'm not sure why the TV series has gone with the standard "zombies are a threat because the protagonists are literally dumber than a shambling corpse" route from B-movies, but that's adaptation decay for you.

//Some of the stuff suggested up-thread, like body armor and boar spears and using dogs, are fairly prominent features of the setting.  If you're out in the space between settlements without gear that makes the dead kind of a non-issue past the first couple trades, it's because you pissed off the settlers enough to put you there intentionally.
 
2013-03-19 04:52:01 AM

Tealeaf: Also, people tend to band together when an outside threat appears.  If things got very grim we'd join forces with one another, not break into micro-tribes hell bent on warring one another.  There might be a few loner types out there, but most people would be living in a larger community than we see in TWD.


Really?  No one is taking advantage of the outside threat to rape, plunder, steal, loot, rape or murder?  Or is that Ozymandias from Watchmen logic?
 
2013-03-19 04:56:14 AM

Baryogenesis: Really? No one is taking advantage of the outside threat to rape, plunder, steal, loot, rape or murder?


They would, but do you know what happens to a small war band that threatens a city-state? Ask Spartacus.
 
2013-03-19 04:58:17 AM

WTF Indeed: I can't decide which super fans are more pathetic. Walking Dead or Game of Thrones?


Chuck Norris fans.
 
2013-03-19 05:06:59 AM
Shamus Young has a great series of posts on surviving the "zombie apocalypse"; hepoints out that most of the common ideas are ridiculous.  Executing fellow survivors for having a zombie bite, for example; all it does is encourage people to hide zombie bites and then turn into a zombie and eat your face when you aren't expecting it. Much better to just have a comfortable room set aside with a lock on the door where anyone who worries they might be infected can go wait it out.

LIkewise, you have to assume that everything really good is looted before you'll get a chance and everywhere really safe is occupied by people who don't want to leave. so if your plan revolves around "let's steal a boat and go live on an oil rig!", you're screwed. Better to just find a farm somewhere. You won't run out of food, no bandits are gonna go to the effort of kicking you out when there's ten other abandoned farms around it they could have without a fight if they wanted and if a huge crowd of zombies come you just leave for a few days and wait for them to get bored and wander off.
 
2013-03-19 05:19:24 AM
How exactly do zombies defeat a tank or any tracked vehicle? I understand they run out of gas but it seems like you could run over lots of zombies going 60mph in an Abrams.
 
2013-03-19 05:44:55 AM

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: If the zombies do come, the whole thing will be taken care of in minutes.  Slow moving animals with sub-cattle intelligence and weak skulls that have to get close enough to bite you is the worst way imaginable to spread a disease.

There's an outbreak in your town? Lock the doors, board up the windows, play x box for two or three days until the police take them all out.


Katrina:  The police bugged out.  The poor fended for themselves.  The rich bugged out.  The police wouldn't take out a zombie apocalypse anyway.  That's military grade level of containment efforts.  The psychological effect of the dead walking the earth would be a lot more dangerous than the physical effect.

Besides, what happened at the end of Night of the Living Dead (the original) is more likely to occur to folks trying to hole up; that, and what happened to the Hermit in Walking Dead (the series).
 
2013-03-19 05:51:20 AM

DerpHerder: How exactly do zombies defeat a tank or any tracked vehicle? I understand they run out of gas but it seems like you could run over lots of zombies going 60mph in an Abrams.


1) How much gas would it take to go 60 mph in a tank? and how far would you go until it ran out?
2) Where do you go after the tank sputters out of gas, but the zombies are still coming?
- Remember, Rick got swarmed.
- If not for that open hatch, Rick would be eaten.. unless this whole show is some Owl Creek shiat happening beneath the tank
3) Zombies don't fear death. They're already dead.
4) Zombies keep moving because they're already dead.
5) Zombies are like ants.
- See also: the horde that took out Hershel's wooden fences.

The best way to deal with a zombie apocalypse is to take a lesson from Shaun of the Dead and learn to live with them.  And whoever finds a way to make zombies docile in the presence of the living, wins what remains of the planet.
 
2013-03-19 05:53:53 AM

ox45tallboy: Yeah, pity fireworks are illegal in Georgia. Maybe some bottle rockets or sparklers, but I don't think that's going to help


They seem to enjoy sparklers as much as we do:

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2013-03-19 05:54:17 AM
I'm guessing he's not a boat owner. I've never owned one, mostly because I've watched my friends who have owned them spend a fortune in time and money trying to keep them afloat. And that is in the best of times. Without parts & supplies, the Coast Guard, or modern weather reporting, I'd say anyone who wasn't a very experienced sailor would be a drowned zombie corpse when the 1st hurricane rolled up the coast.

Remember what Sandy diid to the Bounty?


www.caribbean360.com
 
2013-03-19 06:00:27 AM

KarLorian: They'll have to mad max a crude distillation rig that doesn't use fire ( boats + fire = bad mojo).

No fire means electricity and I don't think solar panels and good deep cycle batteries are gonna be easy to scavenge. Let alone charge controllers.


They could always use a solar still, although they'd need at least one per person of the emergency ones
 
2013-03-19 06:14:30 AM
Do the zombies just live forever? What is sustaining them at this point?
 
2013-03-19 06:24:04 AM
Fire whoever wrote last week's show?

/seriously, it was terrible
 
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