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(NPR)   New York City's supreme emperor Michael Bloomberg proposes his next bright idea: Make retailers hide tobacco products and displays   (npr.org) divider line 374
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2013-03-18 06:47:47 PM
Bloomberg needs a former Utah legislator to advise him.
 
2013-03-18 06:50:51 PM
Well, I can understand that

/I mean, I'm sure there are hundreds and hundreds of people who walked into a convenience store one day, and upon seeing row upon row of healthy, delicious, inexpensive tobacco products decided on the spot to embark on a lie-long journey of addiction, illness, and ostracizing
 
2013-03-18 06:52:42 PM
Why stop at tobacco? Hide all unhealthy products.

He needs to stop half assing it.
 
2013-03-18 07:03:49 PM
Been like that in Canada for years.

It seems to be working, (or at least contributing).

www.globalcstorefocus.com
 
2013-03-18 08:05:44 PM
New York City sure loves their fascist authoritarian mayors.
 
2013-03-18 08:56:54 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: New York City sure loves their fascist authoritarian mayors.


But its for your own good. Don't you know?
 
2013-03-18 09:06:27 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: New York City sure loves their fascist authoritarian mayors.


I think one of the most interesting things about Milwaukee is that it's the only American city to elect three Socialist mayors.
 
2013-03-18 09:15:00 PM
You know what's really bad for your health? New York City. Let's hide it.
 
2013-03-18 09:15:07 PM
Sarah Palin's already picked out her outfit for next year's CPAC
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2013-03-18 09:24:49 PM
This is already done in quite a few other countries. I don't know how effective it is but this is probably one of the few things he's come up with lately that doesn't really bother me all that much.
 
2013-03-18 09:38:10 PM
What people don't know is that Bloomberg bought the Chewlies Gum company in 2005...
 
2013-03-18 09:40:31 PM
That's not particularly crazy. If that kind of advertising didn't work, companies wouldn't do it.
 
2013-03-18 09:42:14 PM
Everybody buys them in New Jersey anyway.
 
2013-03-18 09:42:34 PM
We have it up here in Canadiadiadia. I imagine it works great if you're trying to quit... you simply can't see the cig logos and packages.
 
2013-03-18 09:43:34 PM

KWess: Been like that in Canada for years.

It seems to be working, (or at least contributing).

[www.globalcstorefocus.com image 350x263]


The ones I see around here all have phone card advertising plastered over them.
 
2013-03-18 09:44:26 PM
Wall of Zion for tobacco.
 
2013-03-18 09:44:29 PM
They do that in Canada so now we have to play the guessing game.  "Do you have.... Prime Times?"  "Nope."  "Okay, do you have.... du Maurier menthols?"  "Only in 20's."  "Hmm, ok... how about Player's Greens?"  "Okay here you go."
 
2013-03-18 09:44:31 PM

KWess: Been like that in Canada for years.

It seems to be working, (or at least contributing).

[www.globalcstorefocus.com image 350x263]


I don't know how accurate an observation this is, but I'm starting to associate smoking with low social status.  At least in my generation, the only people you see with a cigarette in their mouth on a regular basis are the rebels and the blue-collar types.  Could it be that all those anti-smoking lectures I sat through in school had an effect?  Have we stigmatised it to the point where the rich kids don't want to be caught doing the same things as the poor kids?
 
2013-03-18 09:44:53 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Bloomberg needs a former Utah legislator to advise him.

Shot out of a catapult.


FTFY.

Seriously people like Bloomberg are the problem with society. Not just today, but historically.
 
2013-03-18 09:45:31 PM
Hmm, doesn't business and product advertising get some sort of constitutional protection?
 
2013-03-18 09:45:35 PM

Silvara: This is already done in quite a few other countries. I don't know how effective it is but this is probably one of the few things he's come up with lately that doesn't really bother me all that much.


I'd have far less of an issue with this than the soda ban, since this rule doesn't involve arbitrary quantities and doesn't allow for people to incur stupid infractions (say, for pouring a jug of drink to share at a table).

The cigs are either on display or not, and the people who want them can simply ask at the counter.

Now if they could come up with a device that would make discarded butts magically transport themselves to the litterbugs coffee cup...
 
2013-03-18 09:45:52 PM
Similar measures are in place in countries such as Iceland Canada, England, Iceland and Ireland, Bloomberg said.

He said Iceland twice.

Unless "Iceland Canada" is some country I've never heard of.
 
2013-03-18 09:45:58 PM
So condoms are kept under lock and key and that's apparently fine, but just try to hide the cigarettes and omg the outrage

/curious how this will affect stores that sell nothing but tobacco products tho'
 
2013-03-18 09:46:12 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: New York City sure loves their fascist authoritarian mayors.


do you know what the word fascist means?

i mean besides using it to describe meanies.

how about the word "authoritarian"?  besides a catch-all describing all laws you disagree with.

it what respect are personal freedoms being infringed by having smoking products out of eyesight?
 
2013-03-18 09:46:39 PM
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What amazes me is that he does things like this constantly and yet never faces a recall or a challenge.
This guy should have been done for years ago.
 
2013-03-18 09:48:09 PM
You will find my boot tastes better while licking it when your olfactory sense is free from the shackles of big tobacco, citizen.
 
2013-03-18 09:48:42 PM

dookdookdook: So condoms are kept under lock and key and that's apparently fine, but just try to hide the cigarettes and omg the outrage

/curious how this will affect stores that sell nothing but tobacco products tho'


It'll be like a big game of concentration.
 
2013-03-18 09:50:27 PM
How do the sophisticated, erudite and worldly people of NY continue to elect morons and whack jobs?
 
2013-03-18 09:50:37 PM
Maybe they should sell cigarettes in 3packs only
 
2013-03-18 09:50:54 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Well, I can understand that

/I mean, I'm sure there are hundreds and hundreds of people who walked into a convenience store one day, and upon seeing row upon row of healthy, delicious, inexpensive tobacco products decided on the spot to embark on a lie-long journey of addiction, illness, and ostracizing


Yeah, it makes no sense.

I would like to see cigarette promotion banned (you can advertize what you have and the price, nothing more) but I see no need to hide the product itself.

MrEricSir: That's not particularly crazy. If that kind of advertising didn't work, companies wouldn't do it.


1)  I can see one good reason for companies to do it--again and again I've watched a smoker direct the clerk to exactly what they want.  With the packs hidden they can't do that and it would take longer.

2)  I've seen such racks arranged above the checkout where the customer can't see them.  I think it's about checker convenience, not advertising.

dookdookdook: So condoms are kept under lock and key and that's apparently fine, but just try to hide the cigarettes and omg the outrage

/curious how this will affect stores that sell nothing but tobacco products tho'


There's no law about locking up condoms.  That's an anti-shoplifting measure by the stores themselves.
 
jvl
2013-03-18 09:51:04 PM

KWess: Been like that in Canada for years.


Yeah, that's the good side of not having a First Amendment-equivalent.  I've heard there are some downsides too, but we're not allowed to talk about that citizen.
 
2013-03-18 09:51:20 PM
See, if he hadn't wasted his breath getting people worked about shiat that was silly he might get more support for this, which is not terribly silly. We do it in Canada, it works. I can still buy whatever tobacco I want, I just have to ask more questions to the cashier. "Do you have Drum? No? Why not? Ok.... hmmmmm...... do you have.....uhm.........no, nevermind, I'll get my tobacco somewhere else that carries Drum, thank you."


/Canadian tobacco sucks.
 
2013-03-18 09:51:30 PM
Canaduh already hides them under steel curtains.

/Most probably unconstitutional(lazy farks did not sue for 'freedom of communication' to sell a product), but fark the constitution says the all powerful government of eastern canaduh.
//ilegal to also prepay for gasoline, but everyone is a criminal so prepay or else.
///Stupid gasoline thing was done because stupid gas jockey got run over and killed for trying to stop a gas and run, while the police official statement is: "under $20 of gasoline theft isn't worth their time".

Next up: Governor Sarah Palin gives away hundreds of millions of dollars to trans-canaduh pipeline with no need to build a pipeline at all.
 
2013-03-18 09:51:37 PM
And nobody who was addicted to tobacco ever figured such a crafty plan out
 
2013-03-18 09:52:03 PM

potterydove: Hmm, doesn't business and product advertising get some sort of constitutional protection?


And as we all know, constitutional protections have absolutely zero restrictions and cannot be regulated in any form by government, because anything else would be tyranny.
 
jvl
2013-03-18 09:52:17 PM

Loren: I would like to see cigarette promotion banned (you can advertize what you have and the price, nothing more) but I see no need to hide the product itself.


You know who else liked to ban the promotion of things he didn't like?

/ Just getting that out of the way
 
2013-03-18 09:54:16 PM
Please please please go after alcohol next. Please.

/Please
 
2013-03-18 09:54:21 PM

dookdookdook: So condoms are kept under lock and key and that's apparently fine, but just try to hide the cigarettes and omg the outrage

/curious how this will affect stores that sell nothing but tobacco products tho'


Where I am from, condoms sit on the shelf right next to the KY and razer blades at Walgreens.
 
2013-03-18 09:56:21 PM
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Ah, smoking is not good for you, and it's been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat...
 
2013-03-18 09:56:54 PM

KWess: Been like that in Canada for years.

It seems to be working, (or at least contributing).

[www.globalcstorefocus.com image 350x263]


Buried in a sea of other variables.  Confirmation bias, how the fark does it work?
 
2013-03-18 09:57:26 PM

Loren: 1) I can see one good reason for companies to do it--again and again I've watched a smoker direct the clerk to exactly what they want. With the packs hidden they can't do that and it would take longer.


Yep.  Smokers know what they smoke.  Hiding the packs from the customers will just make the process painful for everyone involved who doesn't smoke Marlboro/Camel/Menthols

"American Spirits Yellow"
...
"No. Yellow"
...
"Actually, the other yellow."
...
"Dude.  Fark.  The goldenrod ones then."
...
"That's black."
...
"Pull down one of everything that has an Indian on it and I'll just pick the one I want".
 
2013-03-18 09:58:35 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Bloomberg needs a former Utah legislator to advise him.


And I too hope that Bloomberg's choices would not lead to the prohibition days in New York...
 
2013-03-18 09:58:37 PM
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2013-03-18 09:59:33 PM

Double Time: They do that in Canada so now we have to play the guessing game.  "Do you have.... Prime Times?"  "Nope."  "Okay, do you have.... du Maurier menthols?"  "Only in 20's."  "Hmm, ok... how about Player's Greens?"  "Okay here you go."


I still can't remember the damn 'type' of cigarettes I buy without look at the pack and going 'oh, select'.  Some of the hideous mandated package art is getting to me too.  One of these days, one of these days.

/Its still fun to hold the one with the gross teeth up to your own and talk at people
 
2013-03-18 09:59:58 PM
I use tobacco and I am ok with this.

I'm also a stupid liberal.
 
2013-03-18 10:00:14 PM
Now i wish i had taken a pic of it, but just the other day on the train i saw a poster that was an ad from the city for assistance packages/guide books for small business owners.

The photo for the ad was almost exactly like in the the article. A guy behind the counter at a deli stocked with cigarettes and candy. It didnt have sodas in it, but it plainly featured almost every product nanny bloomie has put a hit out on.
 
2013-03-18 10:01:05 PM

keithgabryelski: it what respect are personal freedoms being infringed by having smoking products out of eyesight?


Its not so much an infringement of personal freedoms as it is an attitude that we all have room temperature IQ's and if we even see a, gasp, legal and taxed substance, that we will succumb to it. And, that they are so much better than us. Sneaking a cig away from the judgmental eyes of their pope.

I don't smoke and have no interest in doing so, but I really don't give a fark who does. Bloomberg is an opportunist and and attention whore. So much of a fruitcake that he has raisins for eyes. so worship your attention whore god. You make me sick.
 
2013-03-18 10:01:46 PM
Bloomberg needs to get laid... or screwed.... maybe both should happen to him at once... you know, whip saw style.
 
2013-03-18 10:04:17 PM
How is anyone supposed to know what is hidden from sight?  some people like to try new things, and sometimes dumb clerks don't know wtf it is you are asking for even though it is right over their shoulder and you can point to it.   I quit smoking cigs already, but this shiat pisses me off...
 
2013-03-18 10:04:35 PM
So well then why didn't he just go and hide the large sodas?
That actually might be the way to go - hide everything. Everything's legal - EVERYTHING. But it's all hidden. You got to find it. Oh sure, some stuff's easy to find. But if it's baaaad for you, it's gonna be deep in a Montana mine shaft.

Everybody'd be snooping around everywhere.
 
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