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(Huffington Post)   Study finds MSNBC programming consists of 85% "opinion" and 15% "news", while Fox News programming consists of 55% opinion and 45% Republican Party press releases disguised as news   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 137
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2013-03-19 02:06:40 AM
For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it. Is your day not complete until you have something to whine about?
 
2013-03-19 02:13:57 AM
Cable news sucks all around.
 
2013-03-19 02:26:35 AM

TerminalEchoes: For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it.


Nah.  Through the magic of Mediamatters, The Daily Show, and the other poor souls whose job it is to monitor right-wing media for the best bits of bigotry, misogyny, and general hilarious ignorance, we the libby libs have to spend only a tiny amount of our day in direct exposure to Fox programming.

(Meanwhile on Newsbusters -- the right wing Mediamatters -- someone spoke the words "great leap forward" in an MSNBC ad, therefore  MSNBC endorses the slaughter of tens of millions of innocents in communist China, and Chris Matthews mentioned Sandy Hook truthers and Ted Cruz within ten minutes of each other, which is outrageous for some reason)
 
2013-03-19 02:49:25 AM
I'm shocked that media groups owned by large corporations driven by profit from advertising revenue have ulterior motives.

TO THE FAINTING COUCH!
 
2013-03-19 02:51:56 AM

Kevin72: Happy Hours: Where does RT fit into this picture?

They are the most hilarious IMO. They air promos of themselves that compare them to AlJazeera and loudly proclaim they're not like MSNBC or Fox or CNN - and then they act just like MSNBC, Fox and CNN.

What is this RT?


Rotten Tomatoes. They're a movie review aggregator. Not sure why they hate America.
 
2013-03-19 02:53:21 AM

puffy999: Kevin72: At first it looked like RT might be interesting. But if they keep talking Imani Gray to prove America is bad and racist, well that is as fruitful as keep repeating Benghazi to prove Obama is Jimmy Carter and so Mitt Romney is president.

Current and former communist states have some amusing media and government officials.

I don't think evil of Russian people, but their leadership is more f*cked off than ours. That's scary.


I think of the new Russia as the Wild West. While it's lawless without the old totalitarian dictatorship, it kind of has the freedom and independence to reinvent itself. But with nukes and car-cams instead of horses and pistols.
 
2013-03-19 03:27:51 AM

TerminalEchoes: For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it. Is your day not complete until you have something to whine about?


I hardly watch Fox Izvestia at all.  It's not good for my blood pressure.
 
2013-03-19 03:45:23 AM

dookdookdook: TerminalEchoes: For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it.

Nah.  Through the magic of Mediamatters, The Daily Show, and the other poor souls whose job it is to monitor right-wing media for the best bits of bigotry, misogyny, and general hilarious ignorance, we the libby libs have to spend only a tiny amount of our day in direct exposure to Fox programming.

(Meanwhile on Newsbusters -- the right wing Mediamatters -- someone spoke the words "great leap forward" in an MSNBC ad, therefore  MSNBC endorses the slaughter of tens of millions of innocents in communist China, and Chris Matthews mentioned Sandy Hook truthers and Ted Cruz within ten minutes of each other, which is outrageous for some reason)


That's kinda what I thought, too. When the left bashes Fox or the right bashes MSNBC, I figure it's because 1) each side is watching the "enemy" in order to find a new reason to hate, or 2) each side is being fed out-of-context (though not in all case) snippets from Jon Stewart or---well crap, I can't think of a right wing comedian.
 
2013-03-19 04:09:35 AM

dookdookdook: TerminalEchoes: For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it.

Nah.  Through the magic of Mediamatters, The Daily Show, and the other poor souls whose job it is to monitor right-wing media for the best bits of bigotry, misogyny, and general hilarious ignorance, we the libby libs have to spend only a tiny amount of our day in direct exposure to Fox programming.

(Meanwhile on Newsbusters -- the right wing Mediamatters -- someone spoke the words "great leap forward" in an MSNBC ad, therefore  MSNBC endorses the slaughter of tens of millions of innocents in communist China, and Chris Matthews mentioned Sandy Hook truthers and Ted Cruz within ten minutes of each other, which is outrageous for some reason)


The funny part is I thought of the moon landing when thinking of "great leap forward".

Why is it that newbusters and ilk are always looking for the worst example instead of showing some American Greatness. Oh, hating takes control when dealing with anything that might be mildly construed as a talking point.

They are seriously loosing a grip.
 
2013-03-19 04:11:57 AM

TerminalEchoes: dookdookdook: TerminalEchoes: For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it.

Nah.  Through the magic of Mediamatters, The Daily Show, and the other poor souls whose job it is to monitor right-wing media for the best bits of bigotry, misogyny, and general hilarious ignorance, we the libby libs have to spend only a tiny amount of our day in direct exposure to Fox programming.

(Meanwhile on Newsbusters -- the right wing Mediamatters -- someone spoke the words "great leap forward" in an MSNBC ad, therefore  MSNBC endorses the slaughter of tens of millions of innocents in communist China, and Chris Matthews mentioned Sandy Hook truthers and Ted Cruz within ten minutes of each other, which is outrageous for some reason)

That's kinda what I thought, too. When the left bashes Fox or the right bashes MSNBC, I figure it's because 1) each side is watching the "enemy" in order to find a new reason to hate, or 2) each side is being fed out-of-context (though not in all case) snippets from Jon Stewart or---well crap, I can't think of a right wing comedian.


The right wing comedians are:
Glenn Beck
Sean Hannity
Bill "Papa Bear" O'Reilly
Fox n' Friends

And those are just the headlining acts. Hope that helped clear it up.
 
2013-03-19 04:31:08 AM

thiefofdreams: TerminalEchoes: dookdookdook: TerminalEchoes: For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it.

Nah.  Through the magic of Mediamatters, The Daily Show, and the other poor souls whose job it is to monitor right-wing media for the best bits of bigotry, misogyny, and general hilarious ignorance, we the libby libs have to spend only a tiny amount of our day in direct exposure to Fox programming.

(Meanwhile on Newsbusters -- the right wing Mediamatters -- someone spoke the words "great leap forward" in an MSNBC ad, therefore  MSNBC endorses the slaughter of tens of millions of innocents in communist China, and Chris Matthews mentioned Sandy Hook truthers and Ted Cruz within ten minutes of each other, which is outrageous for some reason)

That's kinda what I thought, too. When the left bashes Fox or the right bashes MSNBC, I figure it's because 1) each side is watching the "enemy" in order to find a new reason to hate, or 2) each side is being fed out-of-context (though not in all case) snippets from Jon Stewart or---well crap, I can't think of a right wing comedian.

The right wing comedians are:
Glenn Beck
Sean Hannity
Bill "Papa Bear" O'Reilly
Fox n' Friends

And those are just the headlining acts. Hope that helped clear it up.


Not Limbaugh?
 
2013-03-19 05:08:59 AM

TerminalEchoes: For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it. Is your day not complete until you have something to whine about?


Not me I love Fox, its a democrats best friend. First of all they know that they get higher ratings from butthurt Republicans when the Democrats win so you never going to see a full republican Dynasty as long as they are around now that the new kid on the block angle during the bush years has worn off.
Second, Your NEVER going to see a reasonable republican on Fox News. If you do like Christie or when McCain remembers who he used to be they go after them with full force as traitors. The ones that always get screen time are the crazy, greedy, xenophobic, poor and minority hating, homophobic,gun crazy, women hating, and all of the above. All with that special little theme that runs thru the whole network that the rich are better people then you and deserve special rights.
Basically Unelectable. No one shows what horrible people the right are better then Fox News. Not even MSNBC can do it as well.
I love that now they have been slobbering all over Rand Paul and Ted Cruz
Fox News is an embarrassment to America, but they help democrats more then they and its views know or want too
 
2013-03-19 06:20:06 AM
People who watch Fox News for the news programming = people who buy Playboy for the articles.
 
2013-03-19 06:36:43 AM

bronyaur1: The headline is right on the money.  MSNBC does not pretend that its opinion shows are hard news.  Fox is trying to pass off propaganda as news.


This.   not reading any more comments because THIS.

/still will read the other comments
 
2013-03-19 06:42:37 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: CruiserTwelve: MSNBC does not claim to be "fair and balanced," nor do they call themselves MSNBC News. Fox does both.

MSNBC claims they "Lean Forward".  Fox News Channel does not.
Comedy Channel has infomercials on that are not at all comedic and people seem to think that John Stewart is reporting news.
And MTV doesn't show that many music videos anymore.


Jon Stewart does report news, he just makes fun of it afterward. That's why his viewers are more informed than Fox viewers.
 
2013-03-19 06:58:27 AM
MSNBC only shows Lockup: Boston all day long.
 
2013-03-19 07:21:46 AM

dookdookdook: 2) In fact, I can never remember being directed to the website "for more information" by anyone on MSNBC or any other network, for that matter. Competent speakers know it's best to present their arguments in the moment when they already have your attention instead of directing the listener to study it out for themselves.


Was it Dan Rather that famously directed viewers to read about stem cell research because, as an anchor, it was too complex to talk about? I might be getting the details wrong. Doesn't mean I'm disagreeing with you, it was an anchor, not an opinion guy, and he just said read, not necessary on the web.

Also, Rachel Maddow refers to her blog constantly, which is essentially a works cited page. Even though she's opinion, she backs her stuff up.
 
2013-03-19 07:26:12 AM

SnarfVader: Lsherm: Do you guys meet up to spooge on each other, or can you do it remotely?

Groupthink, it's what's for breakfast.

Breaking News: Like-minded people tend to congregate on web-sites that appeal to them. More at 11.


...then how the hell does Fark manage to stay in business?
 
2013-03-19 07:36:29 AM
I thought it was closer to 85% prison shows on MSNBC.
 
2013-03-19 07:42:23 AM
I feel like television news, no matter what station, isn't really news.

The whole format seems to be filming people discussing their guesses on what is going to happen at some future date, or giving some poorly informed guess as to why something happened in the past.  There doesn't seem to be anyone actually doing investigations or actual reporting anymore.

Broadcast news sucks too.  They spend more time plugging an upcoming story than on the story.
 
2013-03-19 07:49:34 AM
All cable news is infected with BS. Each have their own slant even when "reporting news" by, as the article noted, adding in and editorializing interviews to pepper the "news" with a particular point of view. Add into the mix the constant barrage of Frank-Luntz-Speak and every segment is polluted with stupidity.

For me, when watching any of these shows, the first thing I ask myself is whether the person on screen has any real connection (i.e. do they actually work say, in the WH or are they a former staffer) or are they just speculating on what they think should or would happen if something else happened etc. 95%+ of the time, it is just a barely informed talking head spewing off an opinion of what they would do if they were really in the club as opposed to just sitting in a studio hundreds of miles away from the real action.

And for all those so-called actual news anchors, each has their own axe to grind and are allowed to cross over into punditry on a regular basis, further blurring the stats. We can all applaud people like Soledad O'Brien for calling a surrogate out on the carpet, but the reality is that the particular surrogate should have never been allowed on the program as their intention is not providing facts and the talking head is not supposed to be engaging in arguments to bolster their ratings and ego.

So this week it is MSNBC's turn to be pooped on for slanted news. I am sure Pew can find another angle next week with Fox, then CNN and so on and so forth. "Exposing bias" in cable news is like shooting fish in a barrel. Maybe Pew did not have anything to report on this week just as the cable news networks do not have any real news to report on for 23 hours of the day.

Stupid article. Stupid study. What's next? Cable News and the Blue Sky Conspiracy - The Coming Apocalypse? We report, you decide?

please.
 
2013-03-19 07:51:23 AM

Dr.Zom: How much is shows about prison?


Those are important recruiting tools for Democrat voter registration.
 
2013-03-19 07:54:03 AM
What's the percentage of fox 'news' which is only reporting that 'some people are saying whatever glenn beck & rush said on the radio an hour earlier'?
 
2013-03-19 08:06:48 AM

Happy Hours: Where does RT fit into this picture?

They are the most hilarious IMO. They air promos of themselves that compare them to AlJazeera and loudly proclaim they're not like MSNBC or Fox or CNN - and then they act just like MSNBC, Fox and CNN.


Road and Track has been the water boy for GM for the last 25 years.  Very little real news

/I get the real news at 2am off of short wave
 
2013-03-19 08:19:14 AM

IlGreven: SnarfVader: Lsherm: Do you guys meet up to spooge on each other, or can you do it remotely?

Groupthink, it's what's for breakfast.

Breaking News: Like-minded people tend to congregate on web-sites that appeal to them. More at 11.

...then how the hell does Fark manage to stay in business?


Apparently via the ignore feature. Without which the left wing side of the internet would likely shut down because they seem to want irony meters to explode when they talk about how tolerant they are of others.
 
2013-03-19 08:20:38 AM
Did they classify propaganda separately from opinion in this study? Cuz then I can see it.
 
2013-03-19 08:22:12 AM

TerminalEchoes: For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it. Is your day not complete until you have something to whine about?


Never watch it, but Fox does poison the minds of Americans every day.  Why don't you complain about that?
 
2013-03-19 08:27:57 AM
Critics of that figure would likely contend that the network's straight news reporting tilts conservative...

No, I would contend the obvious: that Fox News intentionally blurs the line between its opinion and reporting so that there is rarely any clear delineation between the two outside the hours of 10 am and 5 pm and, even when they do spend time "reporting", people like Steve Douchey are injecting their own inane opinions, skipping over relevant context in an attempt to skew viewer opinion or simply outright lying.

I have no trouble believing that MSNBC devotes a huge amount of its time to opinionated shiat, but at least they make it clear that it's opinionated shiat.

/ god how I hate cable news....
 
2013-03-19 08:29:06 AM
Keep saying "Both sides are bad..." long enough, and people will be dumb enough to think it's true.
 
2013-03-19 08:32:34 AM
I recently spent some time watching CNBC and was amazed at how much opinion bullshiat they put into a financial network.

Just last week they were running around in a frenzy over the Dow reaching one record high after the next, soaring economic indicators and the unemployment rate dropping more than anyone expected, then going into "The Kudlow Report" where the guy would talk for an hour about how the Obama administration is holding back the economy.
 
2013-03-19 08:39:30 AM

MrSteve007: I recently spent some time watching CNBC and was amazed at how much opinion bullshiat they put into a financial network.

Just last week they were running around in a frenzy over the Dow reaching one record high after the next, soaring economic indicators and the unemployment rate dropping more than anyone expected, then going into "The Kudlow Report" where the guy would talk for an hour about how the Obama administration is holding back the economy.


It's as if they weren't saying Goldman Sachs, flipping houses, and these things called derivatives were great investments right before the economy shiat the bed. I had the privilege to watch CNBC for my old job during the Dubya years. Looking back, it's like watching MTV months before the first Nirvana video aired, when the on-air talent was paid to act like Trixter, Slaughter, Ugly Kid Joe et al were the future of music.
 
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2013-03-19 08:53:46 AM

cman: Listening to "newscasters" talking about tariffs doesnt bring in the viewers that something like "Look at JLos dress!" would


Or, lets pick apart this seven second clip of someone speaking taken entirely out of context.
 
2013-03-19 08:54:39 AM

MrSteve007: I recently spent some time watching CNBC and was amazed at how much opinion bullshiat they put into a financial network.

Just last week they were running around in a frenzy over the Dow reaching one record high after the next, soaring economic indicators and the unemployment rate dropping more than anyone expected, then going into "The Kudlow Report" where the guy would talk for an hour about how the Obama administration is holding back the economy.


Should hardly be surprising. You're talking about a network designed to give financial advice to a bunch of people who are too stupid to realize the source of their information is supported by advertisers.
 
2013-03-19 08:56:39 AM
Fox is basically incapable of telling the truth under any circumstances, making their opinion/news ratio a divide-by-zero error.
 
2013-03-19 09:08:26 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Anyway, the headline appears to be dissing FOX.


Dude is sundowning. Give him a break.
 
2013-03-19 09:10:27 AM

Lsherm: Do you guys meet up to spooge on each other, or can you do it remotely?

Groupthink, it's what's for breakfast.


oi52.tinypic.com
 
2013-03-19 09:30:45 AM

Lionel Mandrake: subby nailed it


Wrong.

it isn't "opinion" if you can back it up with facts from solid sources.

just like it isn't a rumor if its true.

duh.
 
2013-03-19 09:35:18 AM

bronyaur1: The headline is right on the money.  MSNBC does not pretend that its opinion shows are hard news.  Fox is trying to pass off propaganda as news.



there's some meat in that.

but MSNBC loss some credibility when it lost its Master of the News: Keith Olbermann.   he was giving out too much news, so when CumCast bought out 51% of NBC Universal (owner of  MSNBC) , they sh*tcanned olbermann.   blue bloods don't like it when the news does not reflect their version of the Nation/world.

and they call that Freedom.
 
2013-03-19 09:38:41 AM

Brubold: IlGreven: SnarfVader: Lsherm: Do you guys meet up to spooge on each other, or can you do it remotely?

Groupthink, it's what's for breakfast.

Breaking News: Like-minded people tend to congregate on web-sites that appeal to them. More at 11.

...then how the hell does Fark manage to stay in business?

Apparently via the ignore feature. Without which the left wing side of the internet would likely shut down because they seem to want irony meters to explode when they talk about how tolerant they are of others.


THIS. People who use that ignore button miss out on brilliant commentary like:

Brubold: Dr.Zom: How much is shows about prison?

Those are important recruiting tools for Democrat voter registration.

 
2013-03-19 09:39:25 AM

This Face Left Blank: James F. Campbell: Comedy Central still has more news than either.

We need a 'Sad' button.


I'll just leave this here.



i188.photobucket.com

/pic goes to video
 
2013-03-19 09:41:03 AM

CmndrFish: DamnYankees: Let's be fair - 85% of MSNBC is, in fact, quite terrible.

I pretty much only watch Maddow because at least her arguments are at least grounded in reality.  If it's an election year her show becomes unwatchable for me, too.

I really grew tired of hearing all of the ways Romney's campaigns was screwing up, for example.  Yeah, it was not a well run campaign, but dear lord talk about something else!


Maddow claimed calling Obama an entertainer was racist as it invoked old days of black face and such. I don't see your grounded in reality claim.

Then again she did call out at msnbc video edit as unfair to McCain. .. but then again only after she aired it.
 
2013-03-19 09:45:47 AM

BalugaJoe: MSNBC only shows Lockup: Boston all day long.


LarryDan43: I thought it was closer to 85% prison shows on MSNBC.


Well, I see the emails have gone out...
 
2013-03-19 09:47:25 AM
The article cites show TYPES, not whether the content is fact vs opinion.  MSNBC doesn't have much, if any, pure news programming that doesn't obviously contain commentary.  That's where the 85% "opinion" figure comes from.  By contrast, CNN or Fox could be dominated by "actual reporting" and still be insterting opinion, and the study would not count that as opinion.
 
2013-03-19 09:48:19 AM

TerminalEchoes: For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it. Is your day not complete until you have something to whine about?


And, let me guess, if we whined about Fox WITHOUT watching it, we'd be "low information" and therefore not worth listening to, right?
 
2013-03-19 09:48:45 AM

TerminalEchoes: For a group of people who hate Fox so much, you guys sure do spend a lot of time watching it. Is your day not complete until you have something to whine about?


Whining about other people "whining"

Classic
 
2013-03-19 09:49:28 AM
Interesting that HuffPo gives the study "Pew found that Fox News spent 55 percent of the time on opinion and 45 percent of the time on reporting. " then directly follows it with opinion with, "Critics of that figure would likely contend that the network's straight news reporting tilts conservative, ..."

Personally I feel that if you get your news from one source you are limited in your knowledge of the issues and if you think that anything on Comedy Central is news or journalism you are just... well... limited.
 
2013-03-19 09:49:53 AM
if you want the Big Business/Wealthy version of the news, tune in to FOX News or Corporate News Network (CNN), or Reich Wing Radio owned by Clear Channel Communications,  in that order.


if you want the actual news, tune into MSNBC, or Google News, or PBS.  or the Internet in general.  no one owns the internet (yet) so no one can control the news on it.

Thank you,

God.
 
2013-03-19 09:50:40 AM

Brubold: IlGreven: SnarfVader: Lsherm: Do you guys meet up to spooge on each other, or can you do it remotely?

Groupthink, it's what's for breakfast.

Breaking News: Like-minded people tend to congregate on web-sites that appeal to them. More at 11.

...then how the hell does Fark manage to stay in business?

Apparently via the ignore feature. Without which the left wing side of the internet would likely shut down because they seem to want irony meters to explode when they talk about how tolerant they are of others.



They seem to be tolerating your sorry ass.
 
2013-03-19 09:51:38 AM

CmndrFish: DamnYankees: Let's be fair - 85% of MSNBC is, in fact, quite terrible.

I pretty much only watch Maddow because at least her arguments are at least grounded in reality.  If it's an election year her show becomes unwatchable for me, too.

I really grew tired of hearing all of the ways Romney's campaigns was screwing up, for example.  Yeah, it was not a well run campaign, but dear lord talk about something else!



the thinking is that if you can't run a good campaign, what makes you think you can run a Nation?
 
2013-03-19 09:52:09 AM

Karac: What's the percentage of fox 'news' which is only reporting that 'some people are saying whatever glenn beck & rush said on the radio an hour earlier'?


55% opinion that Obama is destroying America, 45% news backing up their claim.
 
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