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(Huffington Post)   Study finds MSNBC programming consists of 85% "opinion" and 15% "news", while Fox News programming consists of 55% opinion and 45% Republican Party press releases disguised as news   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 137
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2013-03-18 09:15:50 PM
subby nailed it
 
2013-03-18 09:20:15 PM
The headline is right on the money.  MSNBC does not pretend that its opinion shows are hard news.  Fox is trying to pass off propaganda as news.
 
2013-03-18 09:20:39 PM
Where does RT fit into this picture?

They are the most hilarious IMO. They air promos of themselves that compare them to AlJazeera and loudly proclaim they're not like MSNBC or Fox or CNN - and then they act just like MSNBC, Fox and CNN.
 
2013-03-18 09:25:37 PM
so once again Fox News shows that they are more Fair and Balanced than the other networks!

+1 internet for subby.
 
2013-03-18 09:37:57 PM
Do you guys meet up to spooge on each other, or can you do it remotely?

Groupthink, it's what's for breakfast.
 
2013-03-18 09:39:44 PM
Where does Fark.tv fit in?
 
2013-03-18 09:44:46 PM
Let's be fair - 85% of MSNBC is, in fact, quite terrible.
 
2013-03-18 09:46:36 PM

DamnYankees: Let's be fair - 85% of MSNBC is, in fact, quite terrible.


Ed Schultz is at least entertaining.

Although I worry that he will have a heart attack in the middle of the show.
 
2013-03-18 10:00:36 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: DamnYankees: Let's be fair - 85% of MSNBC is, in fact, quite terrible.

Ed Schultz is at least entertaining.

Although I worry that he will have a heart attack in the middle of the show.


I hate to break it to you, but he's off the nightly lineup and is being replaced by Chris Hayes
 
2013-03-18 10:01:08 PM
A headline that disses MSNBC?

I have extra anal cream for those in need
 
2013-03-18 10:02:04 PM

Lsherm: Do you guys meet up to spooge on each other, or can you do it remotely?

Groupthink, it's what's for breakfast.


Breaking News: Like-minded people tend to congregate on web-sites that appeal to them. More at 11.
 
2013-03-18 10:08:32 PM
Comedy Central still has more news than either.
 
2013-03-18 10:13:27 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: so once again Fox News shows that they are more Fair and Balanced than the other networks!


Well, I'll be damned.  You have a sense of humor.  Good for you!
 
2013-03-18 10:15:35 PM

cman: A headline that disses MSNBC?

I have extra anal cream for those in need


No thanks.  You need it more than I do.

Anyway, the headline appears to be dissing FOX.
 
2013-03-18 10:22:42 PM

nmrsnr: tenpoundsofcheese: DamnYankees: Let's be fair - 85% of MSNBC is, in fact, quite terrible.

Ed Schultz is at least entertaining.

Although I worry that he will have a heart attack in the middle of the show.

I hate to break it to you, but he's off the nightly lineup and is being replaced by Chris Hayes


Is Chris Hayes as entertaining as Ed?  He has those dorky glasses, so he has that going for him on the humor side.
 
2013-03-18 10:24:19 PM
MSNBC does not claim to be "fair and balanced," nor do they call themselves MSNBC News. Fox does both.
 
2013-03-18 11:00:20 PM

CruiserTwelve: MSNBC does not claim to be "fair and balanced," nor do they call themselves MSNBC News. Fox does both.


MSNBC claims they "Lean Forward".  Fox News Channel does not.
Comedy Channel has infomercials on that are not at all comedic and people seem to think that John Stewart is reporting news.
And MTV doesn't show that many music videos anymore.
 
2013-03-18 11:04:24 PM

CruiserTwelve: MSNBC does not claim to be "fair and balanced," nor do they call themselves MSNBC News. Fox does both.


So the website NBCNews.com is just a coincidence?

Now that your "at least they tell us when its opinion" bullshiat has been shot down, this is the next brilliant talking point?
 
2013-03-18 11:10:55 PM
This is silly. Seriously. I rarely see anyone cheerleading any flavor of network newsertainment on fark. Then again, anyone that would white knight RL or the faux news crowd has probably been ignored for a while now.

This is fark derp derp. We aren't supposed to argue about which news source is better or worse. They all suck and the whole farking point of this site is to make fun of them. derp derp.

/herp
 
2013-03-18 11:15:20 PM

sammyk: This is silly. Seriously. I rarely see anyone cheerleading any flavor of network newsertainment on fark. Then again, anyone that would white knight RL or the faux news crowd has probably been ignored for a while now.

This is fark derp derp. We aren't supposed to argue about which news source is better or worse. They all suck and the whole farking point of this site is to make fun of them. derp derp.

/herp


All news channels are not news

They are "News Entertainment" (see the Wikipedia page for "Sports Entertainment"). They are there to make money. MSNBC targets a specific demographic while Fox targets a completely other demographic.

Listening to "newscasters" talking about tariffs doesnt bring in the viewers that something like "Look at JLos dress!" would
 
2013-03-18 11:48:22 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/

According to this, a normal weekday on Fox Noise has 1 hour of Huckabee, Hannity, The Five, Cavuto, and Bret Baier and 2 hours of O'Reilly, Fox News Sunday, and Greta, for a total of 11 hours (45%), leaving 2.2 hours of opinion distributed among the rest of the day.

Now Fox & Friends is 3 hours, meaning this survey considers Fox & Friends to be at least 25% factual reporting.

That fact alone calls this entire study into question.

cman: So the website NBCNews.com is just a coincidence?


PROTIP: A television network and a website are not the same thing.
 
2013-03-18 11:48:35 PM

Nadie_AZ: Where does Fark.tv fit in?


*shudder*
 
2013-03-18 11:50:17 PM
They call them Pew polls because they stink.
 
2013-03-18 11:53:01 PM
How much is shows about prison?
 
2013-03-18 11:54:36 PM

dookdookdook: http://www.foxnews.com/fnctv/

According to this, a normal weekday on Fox Noise has 1 hour of Huckabee, Hannity, The Five, Cavuto, and Bret Baier and 2 hours of O'Reilly, Fox News Sunday, and Greta, for a total of 11 hours (45%), leaving 2.2 hours of opinion distributed among the rest of the day.

Now Fox & Friends is 3 hours, meaning this survey considers Fox & Friends to be at least 25% factual reporting.

That fact alone calls this entire study into question.

cman: So the website NBCNews.com is just a coincidence?

PROTIP: A television network and a website are not the same thing.


Protip: nbcnews.com is the official MSNBC website. That's what they have it plastered over every show. I don't know about you, but a pundit on MSNBC who says "go to nbcnews.com for more information" gives the impression that they are calling what they make news.
 
2013-03-18 11:55:30 PM

Happy Hours: Where does RT fit into this picture?

They are the most hilarious IMO. They air promos of themselves that compare them to AlJazeera and loudly proclaim they're not like MSNBC or Fox or CNN - and then they act just like MSNBC, Fox and CNN.


RT is really weird in that the few times I've caught it, they cover things like the Occupy Protests as well as some prominent libertarians who keep claiming the end times are near or something.

I think Russia just wants to prominently feature how farked up our country is because Russians are so insecure about theirs.
 
2013-03-18 11:55:57 PM

DamnYankees: Let's be fair - 85% of MSNBC is, in fact, quite terrible.


I pretty much only watch Maddow because at least her arguments are at least grounded in reality.  If it's an election year her show becomes unwatchable for me, too.

I really grew tired of hearing all of the ways Romney's campaigns was screwing up, for example.  Yeah, it was not a well run campaign, but dear lord talk about something else!
 
2013-03-18 11:56:11 PM

cman: CruiserTwelve: MSNBC does not claim to be "fair and balanced," nor do they call themselves MSNBC News. Fox does both.

So the website NBCNews.com is just a coincidence?


I thought we were talking about television, not internet.  Also, NBC is more than just MSNBC, so that doubly makes no sense.

Now that your "at least they tell us when its opinion" bullshiat has been shot down, this is the next brilliant talking point?

No such thing occurred.  I think you owe this gentleman an apology.
 
2013-03-18 11:57:32 PM

cman: A headline that disses MSNBC?

I have extra anal cream for those in need


Cable news in this country is a joke.

I just watch BBC and CNN International for my news if I really need it.

That or NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams. Heck, even the CBS Evening News is watchable again now that Scott Pelley is at the helm.
 
2013-03-19 12:02:57 AM
cman:  nbcnews.com is the official MSNBC website.

MSNBC is the name of the television network.  It features mostly opinion.

NBCnews.com is the name of the website.  It features mostly straight news.

It's really not complicated.

a pundit on MSNBC who says "go to nbcnews.com for more information" gives the impression that they are calling what they make news.

1) You've never watched MSNBC in your life so you have no idea what they say.
2) In fact, I can never remember being directed to the website "for more information" by anyone on MSNBC or any other network, for that matter.  Competent speakers know it's best to present their arguments in the moment when they already have your attention instead of directing the listener to study it out for themselves.
3) A pundit on a cable news network is typically expressing opinions about news items, so I fail to see how it's remarkable that he would refer to a news website during his comments.
 
2013-03-19 12:03:59 AM
lol @ apologists claiming msnbc is not a news channel... you've all gone off the deep end, i don't even know what to say anymore
 
2013-03-19 12:06:43 AM

dookdookdook: In fact, I can never remember being directed to the website "for more information" by anyone on MSNBC or any other network, for that matter


They say "like us on facebook" and "follow us on twitter" a lot, but, now that I think of it, I don't recall ever hearing "go to the web for more information."
 
2013-03-19 12:07:44 AM

dookdookdook: cman:  nbcnews.com is the official MSNBC website.

MSNBC is the name of the television network.  It features mostly opinion.

NBCnews.com is the name of the website.  It features mostly straight news.

It's really not complicated.

a pundit on MSNBC who says "go to nbcnews.com for more information" gives the impression that they are calling what they make news.

1) You've never watched MSNBC in your life so you have no idea what they say.
2) In fact, I can never remember being directed to the website "for more information" by anyone on MSNBC or any other network, for that matter.  Competent speakers know it's best to present their arguments in the moment when they already have your attention instead of directing the listener to study it out for themselves.
3) A pundit on a cable news network is typically expressing opinions about news items, so I fail to see how it's remarkable that he would refer to a news website during his comments.


1. Yes I have seen MSNBC. Quite a bit of it, actually. Although I am a right winger I couldn't help but watch Olbermann and his passionately comments. Wow was he on a roll then.

2. I'll give ya that one
3. Have itching to combat our argument with
 
2013-03-19 12:10:26 AM

the_dude_abides: lol @ apologists claiming msnbc is not a news channel.


No one's saying that.

15% straight news + 85% commentary on news = still a news network.

Anyway, it's still a shiatload better than this:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/obama-presidency/fox-news-ca ug ht-parroting-talking-points-graphics-gop-press-release


cloudfront.mediamatters.org
cloudfront.mediamatters.org
cloudfront.mediamatters.org
cloudfront.mediamatters.org
 
2013-03-19 12:13:51 AM
hey i wonder what msnbc thinks about msnbc being a news channel? can they share any insight, i wonder?

"The premier cable destination for in-depth analysis of daily headlines, insightful political commentary and informed perspectives - 24/7. MSNBC defines news for the next generation with world-class reporting and a full schedule of live news coverage, political analysis and award-winning documentary programming - 24 hours a day, seven days a week. MSNBC's home on the Internet is tv.msnbc.com."

source: http://tv.msnbc.com/about/
 
2013-03-19 12:17:25 AM

James F. Campbell: Comedy Central still has more news than either.


We need a 'Sad' button.
 
2013-03-19 12:18:07 AM

cman: A headline that disses MSNBC?

I have extra anal cream for those in need


Yeah, Drew's well known liberal bias has REALLY been on display lately!
 
2013-03-19 12:21:47 AM
I can see this thread is going to turn the derp up to potato. I'll see myself out.
 
2013-03-19 12:36:13 AM

Happy Hours: Where does RT fit into this picture?

They are the most hilarious IMO. They air promos of themselves that compare them to AlJazeera and loudly proclaim they're not like MSNBC or Fox or CNN - and then they act just like MSNBC, Fox and CNN.


What is this RT?
 
2013-03-19 12:37:30 AM
MSNBC makes no bones to what they are about. Hell its even in their commercials proudly saying who they are.

Call a Fox Anchor or Pundit on the side of the republicans and they act like the Jock you just called gay. ( And secretly is ) Feathers ruffle worse then those chickens they fark. They have called out for repeatedly reading directly off GOP talking points and they even went to court and won so they can lie.

With all that said the only things I really watch on MSNBC is Meddow her show is one of the best pundit type shows on television. And I watch O'Reilly before that just to see what the right are talking about and are pissed off about this time. Even though he has been a grade-A ashhole ( more then before ) since Obama won Re-election
 
2013-03-19 12:45:36 AM

cman: dookdookdook: cman:  nbcnews.com is the official MSNBC website.

MSNBC is the name of the television network.  It features mostly opinion.

NBCnews.com is the name of the website.  It features mostly straight news.

It's really not complicated.

a pundit on MSNBC who says "go to nbcnews.com for more information" gives the impression that they are calling what they make news.

1) You've never watched MSNBC in your life so you have no idea what they say.
2) In fact, I can never remember being directed to the website "for more information" by anyone on MSNBC or any other network, for that matter.  Competent speakers know it's best to present their arguments in the moment when they already have your attention instead of directing the listener to study it out for themselves.
3) A pundit on a cable news network is typically expressing opinions about news items, so I fail to see how it's remarkable that he would refer to a news website during his comments.

1. Yes I have seen MSNBC. Quite a bit of it, actually. Although I am a right winger I couldn't help but watch Olbermann and his passionately comments. Wow was he on a roll then.

2. I'll give ya that one
3. Have nothing to combat your argument with


WOW did autocorrect mangle that or what

Fixt
 
2013-03-19 12:55:02 AM

Nadie_AZ: Where does Fark.tv fit in?


With sweat and dead man's balls.
 
2013-03-19 01:03:59 AM

Kevin72: Happy Hours: Where does RT fit into this picture?

They are the most hilarious IMO. They air promos of themselves that compare them to AlJazeera and loudly proclaim they're not like MSNBC or Fox or CNN - and then they act just like MSNBC, Fox and CNN.

What is this RT?


probably they mean  this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT_%28TV_network%29
 
2013-03-19 01:13:12 AM
FTFA:: "Pew found that Fox News spent 55 percent of the time on opinion and 45 percent of the time on reporting."

45% of the time reporting what their opinion shows said?

'Some people have been saying  that Obama (insert bad thing here)'

If only Pew released some metrics on how meta the reporting parts were.
 
2013-03-19 01:13:34 AM

Kevin72: Happy Hours: Where does RT fit into this picture?

They are the most hilarious IMO. They air promos of themselves that compare them to AlJazeera and loudly proclaim they're not like MSNBC or Fox or CNN - and then they act just like MSNBC, Fox and CNN.

What is this RT?


Russia Today. It's a state sponsored "news" agency. They air a half-hour "news" program 2-3 times a day on some PBS stations. They like to take a lot of pot shots at the US. Turnabout is fair play I guess. For decades the US has vilified the Soviet Union and after that Russia in general.

They like to interview such notable experts as Alex Jones. They also seem to be having a love affair with Julian Assange and Bradley Manning (imagine a 3-way porn movie with Putin, Assange and Manning - NTTATWWT).

I actually applaud them for covering some stories that the US media sometimes sweeps under the rug, but they beat them to death in their short 30 minute news programs. Take Kimani Gray for example (he's the 16 year old black kid who was shot by police in Brooklyn a little over a week ago). They spent the first 5 minutes or so of every broadcast last week covering protesters reacting to the shooting. They never mentioned once that the kid had a criminal record and instead repeatedly showed interviews with random people on the street who didn't even know the kid and were not witnesses who swore the kid had no gun - even though the cops say that he did have a gun. They cover Bradley Manning the same way. I watch it just thinking, isn't this what you showed yesterday? And yes it is what the showed the day before. The same video footage, the same quotes, everything is the same.

You might think these are just repeats, but they're not. A lot of the material is repeated, but the whole show is not. Eventually they'll move on and mention something actually new, whether it's something in Syria or the election of the new Pope. They just have to get their point across that the US is evil.

Hey, I don't mind coverage of Gitmo or Bradley Manning or Kimani Gray being shot by the cops, but why do they keep repeating those stories as if they're beating a dead horse and they have nothing new to report?
 
2013-03-19 01:32:13 AM

Happy Hours: Kevin72: Happy Hours: Where does RT fit into this picture?

They are the most hilarious IMO. They air promos of themselves that compare them to AlJazeera and loudly proclaim they're not like MSNBC or Fox or CNN - and then they act just like MSNBC, Fox and CNN.

What is this RT?

Russia Today. It's a state sponsored "news" agency. They air a half-hour "news" program 2-3 times a day on some PBS stations. They like to take a lot of pot shots at the US. Turnabout is fair play I guess. For decades the US has vilified the Soviet Union and after that Russia in general.

They like to interview such notable experts as Alex Jones. They also seem to be having a love affair with Julian Assange and Bradley Manning (imagine a 3-way porn movie with Putin, Assange and Manning - NTTATWWT).

I actually applaud them for covering some stories that the US media sometimes sweeps under the rug, but they beat them to death in their short 30 minute news programs. Take Kimani Gray for example (he's the 16 year old black kid who was shot by police in Brooklyn a little over a week ago). They spent the first 5 minutes or so of every broadcast last week covering protesters reacting to the shooting. They never mentioned once that the kid had a criminal record and instead repeatedly showed interviews with random people on the street who didn't even know the kid and were not witnesses who swore the kid had no gun - even though the cops say that he did have a gun. They cover Bradley Manning the same way. I watch it just thinking, isn't this what you showed yesterday? And yes it is what the showed the day before. The same video footage, the same quotes, everything is the same.

You might think these are just repeats, but they're not. A lot of the material is repeated, but the whole show is not. Eventually they'll move on and mention something actually new, whether it's something in Syria or the election of the new Pope. They just have to get their point across that the US is evil.

Hey, I don't mind ...


At first it looked like RT might be interesting. But if they keep talking Imani Gray to prove America is bad and racist, well that is as fruitful as keep repeating Benghazi to prove Obama is Jimmy Carter and so Mitt Romney is president.
 
2013-03-19 01:39:31 AM
That actually doesn't surprise me. I mean, the Fox News statistic is a LIE (I'm sorry, but BENGHAZI IS NOT F*CKING NEWS ANYMORE), but I'm not surprised MSNBC does more opinion than news coverage.

What does Lockdown and all that shiat count as, anyway?
 
2013-03-19 01:40:07 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: DamnYankees: Let's be fair - 85% of MSNBC is, in fact, quite terrible.

Ed Schultz is at least entertaining.

Although I worry that he will have a heart attack in the middle of the show.


I think Maddow's pretty great. She at least does her research.
 
2013-03-19 01:41:37 AM
I seldom tune in to MSNBC and when I do it's specifically for opinion.
 
2013-03-19 01:43:23 AM

Kevin72: At first it looked like RT might be interesting. But if they keep talking Imani Gray to prove America is bad and racist, well that is as fruitful as keep repeating Benghazi to prove Obama is Jimmy Carter and so Mitt Romney is president.


Current and former communist states have some amusing media and government officials.

I don't think evil of Russian people, but their leadership is more f*cked off than ours. That's scary.
 
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