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2013-03-18 06:52:48 PM  
What about 0 year old whiskey?
Sterno strained through a cheesecloth,add a couple slugs of maple syrup.
 
2013-03-18 06:53:00 PM  
It's not. Older whiskey (bourbon, scotch, rye) is almost always less flavorful than the younger stuff when you get to a brand of decent quality. It's just marketing.
 
2013-03-18 06:53:17 PM  
Maybe only if it was in the barrel the extra 30 years?
 
2013-03-18 06:53:57 PM  

Forsythe P. Jones: What about 0 year old whiskey?
Sterno strained through a cheesecloth,add a couple slugs of maple syrup.


Strained? Luxury.
 
2013-03-18 06:55:25 PM  

Forsythe P. Jones: Sterno strained


Wanna know how I know you're not a Hobo?
 
2013-03-18 06:55:47 PM  
I like my whiskey like I like my women. Sixteen years old and mixed up with coke.
 
2013-03-18 06:56:12 PM  
Ive had 18 year old whisky and it was smooth as silk and no hangover
 
2013-03-18 06:58:02 PM  
All I know is that I'd need a loooooooot of whiskey before I'd start "sucking up wood goodies."
 
2013-03-18 07:00:51 PM  
Yes.
 
2013-03-18 07:01:03 PM  
NOT a whisky connoisseur, but had friends visit recently and we had some 10 year old whisky that I really enjoyed called Eagle Rare that was suggested by a co-worker....I would certainly recommend it.
 
2013-03-18 07:01:05 PM  
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If whiskey sits around for 20 years, someone isn't thirsty enough.
 
2013-03-18 07:05:31 PM  
If you like it, drink it.
 
2013-03-18 07:05:36 PM  
Cleaned out a liquor cabinet of an old couple's house...they had whiskey and bourbon dating to the early 60s.  I tried each one, and was really unimpressed...the bottles were cool but most brand names I didn't recognize...for all I know I was drinking the equivalent to the stuff on the bottom shelf in a plastic bottle...after 50 years who really remembers what was good or bad anyway?
 
2013-03-18 07:10:10 PM  

Forsythe P. Jones: What about 0 year old whiskey?
Sterno strained through a cheesecloth,add a couple slugs of maple syrup.


Don't you like your whiskey 'chewy'?
 
2013-03-18 07:10:12 PM  

Iron Felix: Cleaned out a liquor cabinet of an old couple's house...they had whiskey and bourbon dating to the early 60s.  I tried each one, and was really unimpressed..


Booze doesn't age in the bottles like wine. Booze "ages" in barrels that have been charred inside for maximum chemical exchange.

That's why whiskey and vodka, which are basically the same thing at the time of manufacture, are so radically different in color and flavor. Whiskey is aged in barrels which gives it the tannin coloration and the woody flavor, vodka is not.

Finding bottles from the 60's means nothing, as the liquor inside hasn't been in contact with wood.
 
2013-03-18 07:10:38 PM  
"It's kaleidoscopic," another assessed. "It tastes like cigar tobacco and leather ... and then caramel and spice ... and then I taste oak ... and then ... " And finally: "It's been almost 10 minutes and I'm still tasting it!"

If reality TV was worth a damn, we'd have a show dedicated to performing double-blind's on beer/whiskey/wine snobs, audiophiles, foodies, etc, with the sole purpose of making them look foolish.
 
2013-03-18 07:11:37 PM  
Just throw some distilled water, Everclear, and a piece of oak plank in a blender, blast away for a couple of min, filter, and voila!

All this use a barrel stuff is a crock of poop.
 
2013-03-18 07:12:15 PM  
the inverse is true about women.
 
2013-03-18 07:16:51 PM  

jayhawk88: "It's kaleidoscopic," another assessed. "It tastes like cigar tobacco and leather ... and then caramel and spice ... and then I taste oak ... and then ... " And finally: "It's been almost 10 minutes and I'm still tasting it!"

If reality TV was worth a damn, we'd have a show dedicated to performing double-blind's on beer/whiskey/wine snobs, audiophiles, foodies, etc, with the sole purpose of making them look foolish.


Mythbusters tried that in one episode with the filtering vodka thing. IIRC, the professional taster nailed it, even with the filters.

Seriously, I can taste the differences. I grew up with good wine in the house and learning to sip and actually taste my liquor. If you're doing shots, no, you're not going to notice much, because the burn is going to be so overwhelming. But if you take little sips and taste, it's not all that difficult to pick the good stuff from the bad. And a 3 year old blended scotch will most certainly stand out as far inferior to a 30 year old single malt. Old Crow and Blantons are not anywhere close to equal quality. It's not marketing, you're just jealous of crap you can't afford. I can't afford it either, but I don't try to delude myself into thinking that the cheap stuff I do drink is as good as the good stuff.
 
2013-03-18 07:17:47 PM  
There isn't anything active once it is bottled right?  I would imagine cask aging is different than a bottle sitting on a shelf for 20 years.  A buddy of mine collected some old bottles of rum from an estate... Bacardi from pre-Castro Cuba.  It was not good... but it still worked.
 
2013-03-18 07:19:55 PM  

karmaceutical: There isn't anything active once it is bottled right?  I would imagine cask aging is different than a bottle sitting on a shelf for 20 years.  A buddy of mine collected some old bottles of rum from an estate... Bacardi from pre-Castro Cuba.  It was not good... but it still worked.


It can get somewhat worse, but it's not like wine where it'll get better. TFA is talking about barrel aging, not sitting in a bottle.
 
2013-03-18 07:21:40 PM  

Fonaibung: It's not. Older whiskey (bourbon, scotch, rye) is almost always less flavorful than the younger stuff when you get to a brand of decent quality. It's just marketing.


As a drinker of Johnny Walker Blue Label I have to totally disagree with you.  I've had their black, gold, green, and blue labels, and the blue is a 10.
 
2013-03-18 07:25:16 PM  
<b>doglover:</b> I left out the 'Tussin?
 
2013-03-18 07:25:46 PM  

doglover: Iron Felix: Cleaned out a liquor cabinet of an old couple's house...they had whiskey and bourbon dating to the early 60s.  I tried each one, and was really unimpressed..

Booze doesn't age in the bottles like wine. Booze "ages" in barrels that have been charred inside for maximum chemical exchange.

That's why whiskey and vodka, which are basically the same thing at the time of manufacture, are so radically different in color and flavor. Whiskey is aged in barrels which gives it the tannin coloration and the woody flavor, vodka is not.

Finding bottles from the 60's means nothing, as the liquor inside hasn't been in contact with wood.


I did not know that.
 
2013-03-18 07:27:33 PM  
once ya pour in the mountain dew does it really matter?
 
2013-03-18 07:32:30 PM  

Forsythe P. Jones: <b>doglover:</b> I left out the 'Tussin?


No, you added "strain"

If you're a real hobo, you just use your fingers or a rusty spoon.

Iron Felix: I did not know that.


Yeah. Fermented beverages like wine have all kinds of chemicals in, as they're only 12-16% alcohol usually. So they can react to themselves, and usually have a colony of yeast still living inside. Their flavor changes over time because it's still reacting and if you let it go too long it becomes vinegar.

The distilled stuff is boiled to vapor and thus is almost pure concentrated ethanol, then diluted back down with water. There's very little in un-aged booze and it's all uniform. No reactions take place in the bottle. Placing in a cask, on the other hand, lets you get all kinds of chemistry going on, but slowly. So 20 year old whiskey is indeed radically different from 2 year old whiskey. But 18 and 20 might not change that much, even if the price does.

Beer I guess could be aged, buy why?
 
2013-03-18 07:33:04 PM  

jayhawk88: "It's kaleidoscopic," another assessed. "It tastes like cigar tobacco and leather ... and then caramel and spice ... and then I taste oak ... and then ... " And finally: "It's been almost 10 minutes and I'm still tasting it!"

If reality TV was worth a damn, we'd have a show dedicated to performing double-blind's on beer/whiskey/wine snobs, audiophiles, foodies, etc, with the sole purpose of making them look foolish.


It would cost a fortune to isolate everyone involved from the tsunami of bribes that brewers/distillers/vinters/ and audio equipment manufacturers would hurl at them.
Food would be much easier: get a bunch of diva chefs mean-drunk and they'll say they hate everything, spitting and cursing as they go.
 
2013-03-18 07:34:52 PM  
as the proud owner of a brand new charred oak barrel, I'm getting a kick, etc...
 
2013-03-18 07:36:06 PM  

Iron Felix: Cleaned out a liquor cabinet of an old couple's house...they had whiskey and bourbon dating to the early 60s.  I tried each one, and was really unimpressed...the bottles were cool but most brand names I didn't recognize...for all I know I was drinking the equivalent to the stuff on the bottom shelf in a plastic bottle...after 50 years who really remembers what was good or bad anyway?


Once it's been bottled the aging process stops.

I'll take 18 yr old scotch over 12 yr old any day, but both are great.
 
2013-03-18 07:37:26 PM  
WHISKEY THREAD!!!!

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2013-03-18 07:37:49 PM  
Wednesday after next, I will be at the Craft Brewers Conference  in Washington DC on this boat:

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being schmooozed by the Westfavalia corporation where there will be a Bourbon/scotch/ whiskey/ rye tasting panel

that's good

there will also be Cigar pairings... But I just stopped smoking ciggerettes and I don't want to risk a relapse

that would be bad :(


Alright... off to make a whiskey sour...
 
2013-03-18 07:41:00 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: Wednesday after next, I will be at the Craft Brewers Conference  in Washington DC on this boat:

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being schmooozed by the Westfavalia corporation where there will be a Bourbon/scotch/ whiskey/ rye tasting panel

that's good

there will also be Cigar pairings... But I just stopped smoking ciggerettes and I don't want to risk a relapse

that would be bad :(


Alright... off to make a whiskey sour...



LUCKY!!
 
2013-03-18 07:42:26 PM  
faster horses, younger women, older whiskey
 
2013-03-18 07:49:58 PM  

Bruxellensis: as the proud owner of a brand new charred oak barrel, I'm getting a kick, etc...


Just harvested A bunch of beer we were aging on the wood last week... four barrels of Barley wine, the last of the stuff that was brewed year before last. It took the wood very well. nice and clear, and great notes ov vanilla and oak burbony goodness. got 10 HB kegs and 4 SB's out of it.

also nine barrels worth of our flagship Brown ale, for about 15 over all bbls worth that will be split between kegs and bombers. that also took very well to the wood. drink some I pigtailed from the tank right now. Really mellowed the stuff, the beer is smooth as it is but the barrel notes really define it. Seems to accentuate everything that is already going on with the brown ale and adds a bit of its own to the mix.

one more barrel each of our Dopplebock, and Hopfest, I haven't had a chance to taste off any of those after the wood yet.

Since
 
2013-03-18 07:51:47 PM  

jayhawk88: If reality TV was worth a damn, we'd have a show dedicated to performing double-blind's on beer/whiskey/wine snobs, audiophiles, foodies, etc, with the sole purpose of making them look foolish.


This might amuse you.
 
2013-03-18 07:51:58 PM  
Just tried a French whiskey called Bastille for the first time. Super light, almost reminiscent of brandy. It was pretty good. Only thing that turned me off was it was a little heavy on the cherry.
 
2013-03-18 07:54:32 PM  

jayhawk88: "It's kaleidoscopic," another assessed. "It tastes like cigar tobacco and leather ... and then caramel and spice ... and then I taste oak ... and then ... " And finally: "It's been almost 10 minutes and I'm still tasting it!"

If reality TV was worth a damn, we'd have a show dedicated to performing double-blind's on beer/whiskey/wine snobs, audiophiles, foodies, etc, with the sole purpose of making them look foolish.


I believe it was Penn and Teller that did an episode on organic foods, which ended with a taste test. Everyone said the organically grown food tasted better, even though there was no organically grown food. It was sections of fruit and vegetables taken from the same thing. It's mostly your perception that changes things. If you're told this one will be good, you will be more likely to  think it's good. If you're told it will be bad, you'll be more likely to think it's bad. If the test is completely blind, people might be able to pick out different qualities, but they'd probably fail if they were tested against false labels.
 
2013-03-18 08:04:17 PM  
Never had 50 year old whiskey but I have had 50 year old armagnac.  While it was certainly very good it wasn't OMFG!!!  Might have just been that particular bottle but like most everything else there's a certain point where the law of diminishing returns takes over.  Having tasted enough whiskey in my day I can't see spending the extra money for something that's 20 years old as opposed to a 12 year old version, let alone a 50 yo bottle.
 
2013-03-18 08:04:17 PM  

doglover: Beer I guess could be aged, buy why?


Well, I like big old barleywines, but am not a hophead. I find that letting sierra nevada bigfoot sit @ 35 d F for about 5-9 months mellows the hop bite. ymmv.
 
2013-03-18 08:06:38 PM  

alienated: doglover: Beer I guess could be aged, buy why?

Well, I like big old barleywines, but am not a hophead. I find that letting sierra nevada bigfoot sit @ 35 d F for about 5-9 months mellows the hop bite. ymmv.


Aww, isn't that cute.

gerbilsoft.soniccenter.org
 
2013-03-18 08:08:31 PM  
12-15 years of good aging is about right.

Anything over 20 will either have been stored in hand-carved barrels, in IAMFA-certified conditions or will be shiat.  Rot is a battle that time always wins.  If the whisky has been stored in clay or metal it may as well be 2 weeks old as 20 years.
 
2013-03-18 08:08:44 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: Bruxellensis: as the proud owner of a brand new charred oak barrel, I'm getting a kick, etc...

Just harvested A bunch of beer we were aging on the wood last week... four barrels of Barley wine, the last of the stuff that was brewed year before last. It took the wood very well. nice and clear, and great notes ov vanilla and oak burbony goodness. got 10 HB kegs and 4 SB's out of it.

also nine barrels worth of our flagship Brown ale, for about 15 over all bbls worth that will be split between kegs and bombers. that also took very well to the wood. drink some I pigtailed from the tank right now. Really mellowed the stuff, the beer is smooth as it is but the barrel notes really define it. Seems to accentuate everything that is already going on with the brown ale and adds a bit of its own to the mix.

one more barrel each of our Dopplebock, and Hopfest, I haven't had a chance to taste off any of those after the wood yet.

Since


There are very few styles of beer that don't take to barrel aging well.  I have yet to be disappointed with wood aging my beer.

My virgin charred oak will be reserved for something else first, then my beers will get their turn afterwards.
 
2013-03-18 08:09:46 PM  
I have a brand or rye and a brand of rum i like -- i think they both really only have 5 and 10 year versions.

Rye: Alberta Premium is a 5 year and Alberta Springs is its 10 year pal.

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Its actually pretty cheap cost wise (the 10 year is a buck or two more than the 5) and it tastes great. Its good enough to drink straight and cheap enough to mix with cola. Anyone know it? Like it?

As for the rum: One barrel and Three barrel rum from Belize? Anyone know it? So good. Soooooo good. Its hard to find outside of Belize but Canadian liquor stores seem to have it sometimes. (my bumfark town in nowhere alberta has it...)

I like rye most, bourbon is a bit sweet, Whiskey like crown or r&r are staples when no rye is around... I don't think i had a good scotch because my impressions of Ballantines was ass in a glass, and whatever Jack Daniels is it tastes like gasoline.  just so you know how i feel i guess?
 
2013-03-18 08:10:08 PM  

doglover: alienated: doglover: Beer I guess could be aged, buy why?

Well, I like big old barleywines, but am not a hophead. I find that letting sierra nevada bigfoot sit @ 35 d F for about 5-9 months mellows the hop bite. ymmv.

Aww, isn't that cute.

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What is your point to that ? Do you know more about aging beer than me ?
 
2013-03-18 08:10:20 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: Bruxellensis: as the proud owner of a brand new charred oak barrel, I'm getting a kick, etc...

Just harvested A bunch of beer we were aging on the wood last week... four barrels of Barley wine, the last of the stuff that was brewed year before last. It took the wood very well. nice and clear, and great notes ov vanilla and oak burbony goodness. got 10 HB kegs and 4 SB's out of it.

also nine barrels worth of our flagship Brown ale, for about 15 over all bbls worth that will be split between kegs and bombers. that also took very well to the wood. drink some I pigtailed from the tank right now. Really mellowed the stuff, the beer is smooth as it is but the barrel notes really define it. Seems to accentuate everything that is already going on with the brown ale and adds a bit of its own to the mix.

one more barrel each of our Dopplebock, and Hopfest, I haven't had a chance to taste off any of those after the wood yet.


Oh, and those beers you mention sound awesome.  I'm drooling over here.
 
2013-03-18 08:11:56 PM  

mikefinch: I have a brand or rye and a brand of rum i like -- i think they both really only have 5 and 10 year versions.

Rye: Alberta Premium is a 5 year and Alberta Springs is its 10 year pal.

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Its actually pretty cheap cost wise (the 10 year is a buck or two more than the 5) and it tastes great. Its good enough to drink straight and cheap enough to mix with cola. Anyone know it? Like it?

As for the rum: One barrel and Three barrel rum from Belize? Anyone know it? So good. Soooooo good. Its hard to find outside of Belize but Canadian liquor stores seem to have it sometimes. (my bumfark town in nowhere alberta has it...)

I like rye most, bourbon is a bit sweet, Whiskey like crown or r&r are staples when no rye is around... I don't think i had a good scotch because my impressions of Ballantines was ass in a glass, and whatever Jack Daniels is it tastes like gasoline.  just so you know how i feel i guess?


Where do you buy Alberta Premium or Springs?  You must live in Canada, unless I'm unaware of an importer.
 
2013-03-18 08:15:11 PM  

jayhawk88: "It's kaleidoscopic," another assessed. "It tastes like cigar tobacco and leather ... and then caramel and spice ... and then I taste oak ... and then ... " And finally: "It's been almost 10 minutes and I'm still tasting it!"

If reality TV was worth a damn, we'd have a show dedicated to performing double-blind's on beer/whiskey/wine snobs, audiophiles, foodies, etc, with the sole purpose of making them look foolish.


Bring it.  I like doing blind taste tests just for the fun of it.
 
2013-03-18 08:16:13 PM  

Bruxellensis: mikefinch: I have a brand or rye and a brand of rum i like -- i think they both really only have 5 and 10 year versions.

Rye: Alberta Premium is a 5 year and Alberta Springs is its 10 year pal.

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Its actually pretty cheap cost wise (the 10 year is a buck or two more than the 5) and it tastes great. Its good enough to drink straight and cheap enough to mix with cola. Anyone know it? Like it?

As for the rum: One barrel and Three barrel rum from Belize? Anyone know it? So good. Soooooo good. Its hard to find outside of Belize but Canadian liquor stores seem to have it sometimes. (my bumfark town in nowhere alberta has it...)

I like rye most, bourbon is a bit sweet, Whiskey like crown or r&r are staples when no rye is around... I don't think i had a good scotch because my impressions of Ballantines was ass in a glass, and whatever Jack Daniels is it tastes like gasoline.  just so you know how i feel i guess?

Where do you buy Alberta Premium or Springs?  You must live in Canada, unless I'm unaware of an importer.


Nevermind.  I should have read your whole post.

/care to do a trade via mail?
 
2013-03-18 08:21:28 PM  
I didn have a glass of oban a month or two back that cost me 10 bucks and while it was nice and woody it just didnt hit the right parts of my mouth.

I might be biased now though because i've been drinking gibsons and AB prem since i was like 12. Not much variety in an Alberta farm liquor cabinet. Rye whiskey and a cheap bottle of vodka for mix. Oh and Kahlua -- but thats moms. Dont touch it.
 
2013-03-18 08:21:49 PM  
My 42 year old lady tastes better now than she did when she was 41.
 
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