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(Texas Tribune)   Local Tea Party president and former American Fascist Party member describes the AFP as "basically a scattering of people across the continent just complaining"   (texastribune.org) divider line 85
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2013-03-18 03:08:08 PM  
So basically nothing has changed. Other than the people he's currently associated being a bit older, more dependent upon government services who spend most of their time complaining about government spending and entitlement programs
 
2013-03-18 03:09:12 PM  
Ives tells a more nuanced story; the Richmond, Texas, resident says he stumbled across the fascist party - which supports extreme right-wing authoritarian regimes - online in the early 2000s as an "amateur political science student and frustrated novelist" and was merely curious.

"From my point of view, it was all pro-Constitution, pro-America," Ives said of the group, which appears to be defunct.

"I never did anything," he added. "There really weren't enough people involved to be a gathering, let alone a rally. It was basically a scattering of people across the continent just complaining."


I'm not really surprised- it was an era where Americans were petrified of dark corners and imaginary evils.

What I'm trying to put together is the idea of supporting an authoritarian government while being a member of a group that says it wants less government.
 
2013-03-18 03:13:21 PM  
I am completely unsurprised by a Teabaggers past political associations.
 
2013-03-18 03:13:23 PM  
A turd by any other name...
 
2013-03-18 03:19:19 PM  
I thought fascists were liberal...why did he join the Tea Party?
 
2013-03-18 03:23:41 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I thought fascists were liberal...why did he join the Tea Party?


Fascists are nazi, which is a branch of socsialism that was run by the gays.  Socisialism is a form of communism, which means that they are actally a kind of moslim.  That's how you know their athiest liberals.

HTH
 
2013-03-18 03:25:07 PM  

FloydA: Lionel Mandrake: I thought fascists were liberal...why did he join the Tea Party?

Fascists are nazi, which is a branch of socsialism that was run by the gays.  Socisialism is a form of communism, which means that they are actally a kind of moslim.  That's how you know their athiest liberals.

HTH


My brain just broke.
 
2013-03-18 03:28:12 PM  

FloydA: Lionel Mandrake: I thought fascists were liberal...why did he join the Tea Party?

Fascists are nazi, which is a branch of socsialism that was run by the gays.  Socisialism is a form of communism, which means that they are actally a kind of moslim.  That's how you know their athiest liberals.

HTH


Say what you about its tenets but at least it's an ethos
 
2013-03-18 03:29:44 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I thought fascists were liberal...why did he join the Tea Party?


Liberal plant.
 
2013-03-18 03:35:02 PM  
My financial planner showed me a little card identifying himself as a member of AFP.
 
2013-03-18 03:37:05 PM  
"It will be our greatest challenge, and our sweetest victory, to finally surpass this dark menace, this numbing threat from the shadows, and replace it with the pure sunbeam that is our Fascist Faith, our Fascist Truth," he wrote.

In another post, he blasts a fellow commenter's racist remarks, saying such members of the party make "the return of Fascist Faith to the pantheon of accepted beliefs that much more difficult."


Well, say what you will about the guy. At least he has a vision.
 
2013-03-18 03:40:16 PM  
Local Tea Party president and former American Fascist Party member describes the AFP as "basically a scattering of people across the continent just complaining"


Well, he's moved on into familiar territory, then.
 
2013-03-18 03:50:00 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: FloydA: Lionel Mandrake: I thought fascists were liberal...why did he join the Tea Party?

Fascists are nazi, which is a branch of socsialism that was run by the gays.  Socisialism is a form of communism, which means that they are actally a kind of moslim.  That's how you know their athiest liberals.

HTH

Say what you about its tenets but at least it's an ethos



Who gives a shiat about the farking marmot?!
 
2013-03-18 03:50:39 PM  
You've got to be committed. It doesn't matter what to; just stomp on the accelerator and hold it down.
 
2013-03-18 03:50:41 PM  

Nadie_AZ: What I'm trying to put together is the idea of supporting an authoritarian government while being a member of a group that says it wants less government.


That has been the stance of American conservatives for quite a while.

Libertarian about their own interests.
Authoritarian about YOUR rights.
 
2013-03-18 03:52:02 PM  
Ives tells a more nuanced story; the Richmond, Texas, resident says he stumbled across the fascist party -  which supports extreme right-wing authoritarian regimes - online in the early 2000s as an "amateur political science student and frustrated novelist" and was merely curious.
"From my point of view, it was all pro-Constitution, pro-America," Ives said of the group, which appears to be defunct.


Huh?
 
2013-03-18 03:52:51 PM  
So he's gone from the "flour, yeast, water, salt and an oven" party to the "things you need to make bread" party?

I wonder how he's managing such a drastic change.
 
2013-03-18 03:52:51 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: My financial planner showed me a little card identifying himself as a member of AFP.


So did my French journalist friend. Do they know each other?
 
2013-03-18 03:53:05 PM  

FloydA: Fascists are nazi, which is a branch of socsialism that was run by the gays. Socisialism is a form of communism, which means that they are actally a kind of moslim. That's how you know their athiest liberals.


Get this man a TV program and a chalk board
 
2013-03-18 03:53:42 PM  

If you keep finding that people who share your ideas are sociopaths or other moral monsters, you might want to reconsider why you adhere to those ideas.

demotivators.despair.com
 
2013-03-18 03:55:56 PM  

jaytkay: Because People in power are Stupid: My financial planner showed me a little card identifying himself as a member of AFP.

So did my French journalist friend. Do they know each other?


They must be fascists.
 
2013-03-18 03:59:45 PM  
farm8.staticflickr.com
 
2013-03-18 04:00:28 PM  
What a fascist might look like:
 
2013-03-18 04:01:11 PM  
Now let's hear about his research into child pornography. He wasn't into child pornography himself, he just hung out with child pornographers in child pornography chat rooms while he did his research.
 
2013-03-18 04:01:48 PM  
"You will live your life as a free American or we will kill you."

Would look good on a bumper sticker.
 
2013-03-18 04:02:44 PM  
www.joeydevilla.com
 
2013-03-18 04:03:01 PM  
www.georgetownbookshop.com
This isn't anything new. What comes around, goes around.
 
2013-03-18 04:03:41 PM  

FloydA: Lionel Mandrake: I thought fascists were liberal...why did he join the Tea Party?

Fascists are nazi, which is a branch of socsialism that was run by the gays.  Socisialism is a form of communism, which means that they are actally a kind of moslim.  That's how you know their athiest liberals.

HTH


Obviously this guy has studied it out.
 
2013-03-18 04:05:27 PM  
I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.
 
2013-03-18 04:06:19 PM  

jaytkay: Because People in power are Stupid: My financial planner showed me a little card identifying himself as a member of AFP.

So did my French journalist friend. Do they know each other?


I'm an elk, a Mason, a communist. I'm the president of the Gay and Lesbian Alliance for some reason. Ah, here it is. The Stonecutters.
 
2013-03-18 04:06:23 PM  
Fascists in Teaparty? That's unpossible.
 
2013-03-18 04:08:10 PM  
"former"?
 
2013-03-18 04:09:49 PM  

Nadie_AZ: of dark corners and imaginary evils


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-18 04:10:27 PM  
"From my point of view, it was all pro-Constitution, pro-America," Ives said of the group, which appears to be defunct.
"I never did anything," he added. "There really weren't enough people involved to be a gathering, let alone a rally. It was basically a scattering of people across the continent just complaining."
He said he believed he'd uncovered an underground cabal - and decided to stick around to do research for a "political novel of intrigue."
"I thought, 'I can blow the lid off of this. ... I can go inside and find out what's going on,'" Ives said.


So which is it? He gives multiple very different excuses. He says he wasn't involved, he says they were actually patriots, he says they weren't a real organization, he said he was undercover for a novel.

These excuses make no sense if you believe them all.
 
2013-03-18 04:11:12 PM  

cubic_spleen: "former"?


He gave it up for Lent
 
2013-03-18 04:13:39 PM  

TimonC346: I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.


not that novel actually
none of the people commenting here broke any laws, so why do you even care man?
 
2013-03-18 04:16:01 PM  
So I'm guessing that he doesn't care for the Jews, huh?
 
2013-03-18 04:19:11 PM  

TimonC346: I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.


Keep waving your hands, and this will all go away.

/Also, try working in a way to prove that both sides are bad.
//That never fails.
///Oh, and "isolated incident by an overzealous staffer."
 
2013-03-18 04:19:12 PM  
I just came here to say "a pastiche of fascists".

// tried to make a joke, couldn't
 
2013-03-18 04:20:24 PM  
I only wish this was viral marketing for Bioshock Infinite

www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-03-18 04:22:53 PM  

FloydA: Lionel Mandrake: I thought fascists were liberal...why did he join the Tea Party?

Fascists are nazi, which is a branch of socsialism that was run by the gays.  Socisialism is a form of communism, which means that they are actally a kind of moslim.  That's how you know their athiest liberals.

HTH


Bastage! Nasal beer HURTS!
 
2013-03-18 04:23:38 PM  

Dr Dreidel: I just came here to say "a pastiche of fascists".

// tried to make a joke, couldn't



Here you go.

i105.photobucket.com

Oh..I thought you said "pasta."
 
2013-03-18 04:24:48 PM  

Corvus: "From my point of view, it was all pro-Constitution, pro-America," Ives said of the group, which appears to be defunct.
"I never did anything," he added. "There really weren't enough people involved to be a gathering, let alone a rally. It was basically a scattering of people across the continent just complaining."
He said he believed he'd uncovered an underground cabal - and decided to stick around to do research for a "political novel of intrigue."
"I thought, 'I can blow the lid off of this. ... I can go inside and find out what's going on,'" Ives said.

So which is it? He gives multiple very different excuses. He says he wasn't involved, he says they were actually patriots, he says they weren't a real organization, he said he was undercover for a novel.

These excuses make no sense if you believe them all.


Why not?  None of those are mutually exclusive.
 
2013-03-18 04:26:28 PM  

Corvus: So which is it? He gives multiple very different excuses. He says he wasn't involved, he says they were actually patriots, he says they weren't a real organization, he said he was undercover for a novel.

These excuses make no sense if you believe them all.


Really?  Those don't fit together for you?  He wasn't involved in, but was observing a negligibly small disorganized group of patriots so that he could write a book about how disorganized they were.

Imagine The Turner Diaries except without all the racism and things unrealistically working out in their favor.  It's a surefire hit!
 
2013-03-18 04:30:21 PM  
But I thought the Tea Party was supposed to be all about "freedom" and the evil gub'mint staying out of people's lives. Not sure how that fits in with an authoritarian regime.

Watta maroon.
 
2013-03-18 04:30:52 PM  

HighOnCraic: TimonC346: I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.

Keep waving your hands, and this will all go away.

/Also, try working in a way to prove that both sides are bad.
//That never fails.
///Oh, and "isolated incident by an overzealous staffer."


Wrong--I don't believe both sides are bad, actually. Not at all. I'm solidly a commie pinko. I just think this sort of news falls under the "Obama once met a socialism and ZOMGFFFGF SUSHULIZT" bullcrap. Except this guy is even less exceptional.
 
2013-03-18 04:33:14 PM  

unexplained bacon: TimonC346: I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.

not that novel actually
none of the people commenting here broke any laws, so why do you even care man?


(I know it isn't novel--it was sarcasm)

Doesn't this just seem like...I dunno...gossip? Isn't this basically what Fox News does and we crap on them for it?
 
2013-03-18 04:35:20 PM  

Saiga410: Corvus: "From my point of view, it was all pro-Constitution, pro-America," Ives said of the group, which appears to be defunct.
"I never did anything," he added. "There really weren't enough people involved to be a gathering, let alone a rally. It was basically a scattering of people across the continent just complaining."
He said he believed he'd uncovered an underground cabal - and decided to stick around to do research for a "political novel of intrigue."
"I thought, 'I can blow the lid off of this. ... I can go inside and find out what's going on,'" Ives said.

So which is it? He gives multiple very different excuses. He says he wasn't involved, he says they were actually patriots, he says they weren't a real organization, he said he was undercover for a novel.

These excuses make no sense if you believe them all.

Why not?  None of those are mutually exclusive.

it was all pro-Constitution, pro-America

 = they were good people, so it was okay to be involved.
I never did anything (aside from volunteering to be their director of propaganda), so it doesn't matter if you think it was bad to be involved
There really weren't enough people involved to be a gathering vs.  "It will be our greatest challenge, and our sweetest victory, to finally surpass this dark menace, this numbing threat from the shadows, and replace it with the pure sunbeam that is our Fascist Faith, our Fascist Truth." He certainly believed that they had enough support to take over the country, or would grow enough support eventually.
 
2013-03-18 04:37:45 PM  
Amazing bit of realization there, that while you may seem legion on the internet, it's really just a few thousand people out of 350,000,000+ people in America that complain loudest.

//Of course, if those few thousand are the only ones allowed to vote, things have a tendency to get real shiatty real quick
 
2013-03-18 04:38:24 PM  

TimonC346: HighOnCraic: TimonC346: I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.

Keep waving your hands, and this will all go away.

/Also, try working in a way to prove that both sides are bad.
//That never fails.
///Oh, and "isolated incident by an overzealous staffer."

Wrong--I don't believe both sides are bad, actually. Not at all. I'm solidly a commie pinko. I just think this sort of news falls under the "Obama once met a socialism and ZOMGFFFGF SUSHULIZT" bullcrap. Except this guy is even less exceptional.


I don't think it's an earth-shattering story, which is why we're here joking about it on fark.
 
2013-03-18 04:39:19 PM  

TimonC346: I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.


Indeed, nobody should care that he's a tea-partier, either.  Except the GOP, who's influence is waning because of them.

And the Democrats, who are pointing and laughing.
 
2013-03-18 04:40:13 PM  

St_Francis_P: Lionel Mandrake: I thought fascists were liberal...why did he join the Tea Party?

Liberal plant.


FALSE FLAG!!!
 
Bf+
2013-03-18 04:42:57 PM  
I did nazi that coming.
 
2013-03-18 04:44:33 PM  

Rapmaster2000: jaytkay: Because People in power are Stupid: My financial planner showed me a little card identifying himself as a member of AFP.

So did my French journalist friend. Do they know each other?

I'm an elk,


ELK SEASON!
 
2013-03-18 04:49:52 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I'm an elk


Do you have a theory, which is yours?
 
2013-03-18 04:50:19 PM  

jaytkay: Because People in power are Stupid: My financial planner showed me a little card identifying himself as a member of AFP.

So did my French journalist friend. Do they know each other?


sharetv.org
 
2013-03-18 04:59:42 PM  

FloydA: Dr Dreidel: I just came here to say "a pastiche of fascists".

// tried to make a joke, couldn't


Here you go.

[i105.photobucket.com image 500x375]

Oh..I thought you said "pasta."


I got some swastika brand vegetarian BBQ sauce at the asian market the other day just for the lulz.
 
2013-03-18 05:15:59 PM  
I wonder how long the transition from fascist to teabagger took.
 
2013-03-18 05:19:21 PM  

God's Hubris: I wonder how long the transition from fascist to teabagger took.


Potato seconds.
 
2013-03-18 05:28:28 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: God's Hubris: I wonder how long the transition from fascist to teabagger took.

Potato seconds.


Not even that long.
 
2013-03-18 05:29:22 PM  

TimonC346: I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.



So, is this Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers' user name?
 
2013-03-18 05:30:15 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: God's Hubris: I wonder how long the transition from fascist to teabagger took.

Potato seconds.


How many fries in a potato?
 
2013-03-18 05:30:26 PM  

God's Hubris: I wonder how long the transition from fascist to teabagger took.


It would have to take quite a while. I mean, one group loudly proclaims a specific national identity while admonishing any and all outsiders as not worthy and dangerous enemies of the state. The same group pushes false economic beliefs dependent on a faux national identity built on idiotic theory and a revisionist history. They also spend their time idolizing past leaders with trumped up stories and nationalistic propaganda in an effort to take their country back from the evils of society.

And the other group is a bunch of fascists.
 
2013-03-18 05:31:34 PM  

Lord_Baull: TimonC346: I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.


So, is this Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers' user name?


Both--and neither--I didn't mean it like it sounded--as I wrote above to a few other responses--it sort of read like calling Obama a socialist, except this guy is so much less relevant, and he apparently actually had some association with the Fascist Party. I don't know--it seems like Fox News derpity type news to me.
 
2013-03-18 05:34:46 PM  
fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Boy that sounds just like what the Tea Party wants doesn't it?
 
2013-03-18 05:41:13 PM  
"From my point of view, it was all pro-Constitution, pro-America," Ives said of the group, which appears to be defunct.

What is it about "fascist" that he did not understand?
 
2013-03-18 05:41:25 PM  

somedude210: A Dark Evil Omen: God's Hubris: I wonder how long the transition from fascist to teabagger took.

Potato seconds.

How many fries in a potato?



One. To-hooo. Three.
 
2013-03-18 05:46:26 PM  
randomjsa (farkied: "Holy fnck you're an idiot." - Nina_Hartley's_Ass): fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Boy that sounds just like what the Tea Party wants doesn't it?


Yup.  That's exactly what the Tea Party wants.  More precisely, it's what the billionaires pulling their strings want.

Kudos on finally figuring that out.
 
2013-03-18 05:46:34 PM  

Lord_Baull: somedude210: A Dark Evil Omen: God's Hubris: I wonder how long the transition from fascist to teabagger took.

Potato seconds.

How many fries in a potato?


One. To-hooo. Three.


why do you say "two" like a retard? :P
 
2013-03-18 05:51:55 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: God's Hubris: I wonder how long the transition from fascist to teabagger took.

Potato seconds.


transition?
 
2013-03-18 05:52:18 PM  

runwiz: "From my point of view, it was all pro-Constitution, pro-America," Ives said of the group, which appears to be defunct.

What is it about "fascist" that he did not understand?


Fascism characteristically plays to nationalism, to God and country and appeals to "salt of the earth" types as being better than those pointy-headed intellectuals that think they know the better than the rest of us.  Appeals to loathing of one or more disfavored ethnic groups are optional.

upload.wikimedia.org

That motto reads "work, family, country", si vous ne parlez pas français.  It would be right at home in a Tea Party meeting.  The above is in fact the coat of arms of Vichy France.
 
2013-03-18 05:52:47 PM  

randomjsa: fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Boy that sounds just like what the Tea Party wants doesn't it?


Yeah. Actually completely. Do you need examples?
 
2013-03-18 05:52:56 PM  

somedude210: Lord_Baull: somedude210: A Dark Evil Omen: God's Hubris: I wonder how long the transition from fascist to teabagger took.

Potato seconds.

How many fries in a potato?


One. To-hooo. Three.

why do you say "two" like a retard? :P


I think it's a reference to this:

4.bp.blogspot.com

/And get off my lawn!
 
2013-03-18 05:53:22 PM  

TimonC346: I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.


Sounds like you care.Why did you post?
 
2013-03-18 05:54:22 PM  

randomjsa: fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

Boy that sounds just like what the Tea Party wants doesn't it?


Pretty much - looks like you're wising up.
 
2013-03-18 07:33:23 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Ives tells a more nuanced story; the Richmond, Texas, resident says he stumbled across the fascist party - which supports extreme right-wing authoritarian regimes - online in the early 2000s as an "amateur political science student and frustrated novelist" and was merely curious.

"From my point of view, it was all pro-Constitution, pro-America," Ives said of the group, which appears to be defunct.

"I never did anything," he added. "There really weren't enough people involved to be a gathering, let alone a rally. It was basically a scattering of people across the continent just complaining."

I'm not really surprised- it was an era where Americans were petrified of dark corners and imaginary evils.

What I'm trying to put together is the idea of supporting an authoritarian government while being a member of a group that says it wants less government.


"An era"??

Honey, it was only ten years ago. Things haven't changed that much. And neither has this douchebag. He's still the fascist authoritarian scumbag he was then. A leopard might bleach off its spots, but it's still a leopard where it counts.
 
2013-03-18 07:39:10 PM  

HighOnCraic: I think it's a reference to this:

/And get off my lawn!


Sir, I know what it's a reference to! GOOD DAY!
 
2013-03-18 08:05:23 PM  

God's Hubris: I wonder how long the transition from fascist to teabagger took.


Transition?
 
2013-03-18 08:54:21 PM  
content.internetvideoarchive.com

Yeah dude, what about the Nazi's?
 
2013-03-18 09:01:21 PM  

unexplained bacon: TimonC346: I have a novel idea: None of this matters. This guy had something to do with the party before? Fine. He's allowed to. As long as no laws were broken, nobody should care.

not that novel actually
none of the people commenting here broke any laws, so why do you even care man?


Can a man be truly free while people can criticize his choices and actions?
 
2013-03-18 09:38:27 PM  

Katolu: FloydA: Lionel Mandrake: I thought fascists were liberal...why did he join the Tea Party?

Fascists are nazi, which is a branch of socsialism that was run by the gays.  Socisialism is a form of communism, which means that they are actally a kind of moslim.  That's how you know their athiest liberals.

HTH

Bastage! Nasal beer HURTS!


Just be grateful you didn't have a mouthful of kimchi.
 
2013-03-18 09:40:23 PM  
Meh- sounds like a loser having a political identity crisis- next week this guy will probably
propose to someone in Klingon.

I can't be bothered to care unless Walter pulls out a gun or there's a marmot involved.
 
2013-03-19 09:21:54 AM  
The Progressive Caucus consists of 68 House members.

The Tea Party Caucus has 49.

Somehow, we hear far more about the latter than the former.
 
2013-03-19 09:56:09 AM  

Close2TheEdge: I only wish this was viral marketing for Bioshock Infinite

[www.blogcdn.com image 530x363]


I've been of the mind that the guys who made that game did it as an 'in your face' to the Tea Party types.  Mainly due to the fact that a lot of TPers wouldn't get that they were being made fun of.
 
2013-03-19 12:51:25 PM  

somedude210: HighOnCraic: I think it's a reference to this:

/And get off my lawn!

Sir, I know what it's a reference to! GOOD DAY!


Sorry, I somehow missed the :P.

/You can stay on my lawn.
 
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