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(Daily Mail)   Police unsure how a convicted sex offender, who was taken into custody after being charged with murdering a woman and raping her ten year old daughter, could show up to his first hearing with a broken nose   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 51
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2013-03-18 03:00:56 PM  
9 votes:
Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.
2013-03-18 03:17:34 PM  
6 votes:
He lost his job at a supermarket, moved in with his mother and hadn't been able to find other work after his arrest, according to court documents.


So can we actually have an honest discussion about the unintended consequences of things like sex offender registries and how it can lead to more crime or should I just surrender to the fact that I'll be called a rape apologists for bringing up flaws in the system.
2013-03-18 03:05:32 PM  
5 votes:
for those that DRTFA, the 5-0 didn't do it, the general pop did...
2013-03-18 02:59:15 PM  
4 votes:
NOT how I expected the guy to look at all. Wow.
2013-03-18 03:11:02 PM  
3 votes:
We need to a place to segregate criminals like this from the rest of society, humanely, and with little to no expense for the rest of us. What if we just gave them part of North Dakota, an arable part, and just let them have at it. Yeah, it would be difficult, but surely there is a way to make it work. Give trustees police power / tasers maybe, with the rest working the fields? Hollywood tells us it would descend into Escape from New York, but I'm not so sure that would happen. Australia turned out ok.
2013-03-18 03:09:20 PM  
3 votes:

nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.


According to TFA, it wasn't the police who did it, it was apparently fellow prisoners.  Though there does seem to be an issue with them allowing him into the public holding cell.

He raped a girl and murdered her mother.  Don't guard this farker, don't put any effort into protecting him.  Let his fellow inmates bound him and rape him as he did to his victim.  That's the least he deserves.
2013-03-18 03:04:53 PM  
3 votes:

cig-mkr: So jail / prison isn't a nice place to be ?


People who have't been convicted should not be treated as if they have been found guilty.
2013-03-18 03:48:01 PM  
2 votes:

Lollipop165: "Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory" - Da Vinci


Fine, I'll speak my mind instead of quoting that very, very apt quote.

IMNSHO, you are morally NO better then the guy who rapes and tortures when you fantasize/wish/hope rape and torture on someone, no matter how deserving they are. You are cut from the same cloth, you just haven't acted on  it....yet. Under the right circumstances?  Make no mistake, you are closer to being them then you want to believe when you indulge such base thinking.

Bloodlust fantasies. Just like they have and act on. That is all it is. Smarten up.
2013-03-18 03:35:55 PM  
2 votes:
How do you catch a guy with 100GB of child porn on his computer, and then set him free on society?  fark that.  Put a bullet in his farking head.  If you wouldn't be willing to leave someone alone in a room with your kid, don't give them the opportunity to harm other children.
2013-03-18 03:24:24 PM  
2 votes:

Warlordtrooper: He lost his job at a supermarket, moved in with his mother and hadn't been able to find other work after his arrest, according to court documents.


So can we actually have an honest discussion about the unintended consequences of things like sex offender registries and how it can lead to more crime or should I just surrender to the fact that I'll be called a rape apologists for bringing up flaws in the system.


I could get behind you on that if his latest crime had been a bank robbery or something of the sort, not murdering a woman and raping her daughter.  His not being able to find work should have no bearing on his inability to not kill and rape.
2013-03-18 03:20:29 PM  
2 votes:

Warlordtrooper: HotWingConspiracy: Damn man, I wonder if getting his child pron mainline cut off is what drove this episode.

I think it had more to do with his inability to find employement because of the "OMG won't somebody think of the children mass hysteria that has gripped this country"


Well yes, idle hands are the devil's playground and all that.

Though I tend to just smoke more weed when I'm idle, not rape children.
2013-03-18 03:17:19 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-03-18 03:11:44 PM  
2 votes:
A civilized society recognizes that even despicable criminals have rights.  Just because no one will actually give a damn about this guy, it doesn't mean it is acceptable to have convicts torturing other convicts.

Unless you are ok not living in a civilized society.
2013-03-18 03:10:33 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-03-18 03:09:06 PM  
2 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: cig-mkr: So jail / prison isn't a nice place to be ?

People who have't been convicted should not be treated as if they have been found guilty.


So you're suggesting someone charged with a sex crime should be released on conditions and not kept in jail? Hmm, well let's see here....

FTA: The 29-year-old had been charged in January with possession of child pornography and allowed to remain free under terms that included staying off the Internet and away from places including schools, parks and arcades.

If this guy had been in jail where he belonged the first time round, that kid's mother would be alive today and the kid wouldn't have a lifetime of therapy ahead of her.
2013-03-18 03:06:06 PM  
2 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Police unsure how a convicted sex offender, who was taken into custody after being charged with murdering a woman and raping her ten year old daughter, could show up to his first hearing with a broken nose alive.

/Seriously though, cops shouldn't be able to beat people up, and "charged" isn't "convicted"


He *was* convicted of possession of child porn previously, thus a "convicted sex offender".  It's all right there in TFA.
2013-03-18 03:04:16 PM  
2 votes:

nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.


I would opine that this particular vigilante justice was anything but arbitrary.

/not saying I'd have done it myself
//but I understand
2013-03-18 03:03:12 PM  
2 votes:
Police unsure how a convicted sex offender, who was taken into custody after being charged with murdering a woman and raping her ten year old daughter, could show up to his first hearing with a broken nose alive.

/Seriously though, cops shouldn't be able to beat people up, and "charged" isn't "convicted"
2013-03-18 09:17:15 PM  
1 votes:
My god...this happened in my hometown, and is an absolutely horrific crime. And has especially hit home for me as a pre-teen survivor myself.

This is the first photo I've seen of him.  And he has waited on me hundreds of times as a clerk at our local Wegmans grocery store.  I guess I always thought I would be able to sniff out that kind of psychopath.  But he was nice, friendly and efficient.  A stellar employee.  It scares the shiat out of me to know that kind of evil can be so easily hidden...
2013-03-18 09:07:22 PM  
1 votes:
I am all for disposing of worthless elements of civilized society.  However, torturing and what-not is not the way to do it, since you need what could be considered an evil person to carry out the deed.

Just knock them down a hole like in 300 and remove their evil from this plane of existence.
2013-03-18 07:52:12 PM  
1 votes:
As if it needed to be even sicker, the little girl is only alive because after he raped her in front of her mother, he needed both hands to stab the mother in front of her daughter. She ran when he was killing her mother. Picture that. Just been raped, her mother is being killed, and only the distraction of her mother's murder allows her to save herself and run away.

Yeah, fu (k this guy.
2013-03-18 07:33:45 PM  
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: IMNSHO, you are morally NO better then the guy who rapes and tortures when you fantasize/wish/hope rape and torture on someone, no matter how deserving they are.


I think you need to really try to visualize what happened to that little girl. Really visualize the tearing, bleeding, and pleas for mercy, being ignored by a man who just wanted to have an orgasm inside a little girl's body. Try to imagine her mother's pain and fear as well. Don't just imagine it, try to empathise.

If, after that, you still see no moral distinction between the OP and the rapist, then you may be the most stupid person alive. I hope it turns out you aren't.
2013-03-18 07:24:47 PM  
1 votes:

namegoeshere: Enomai: I can't give you the exact wording but according to a social worker friend, the viewing of the materials causes a second victimization of the abused because the victim knows that it is being repeatedly watched by people and they are being viewed in that helpless state on an ongoing basis.

I read a reaaly hard to read autobbiography about a little girl used in porn films by her stepfather from a very young age. This was long pre-internet. She vividly remembered the sound of the little handheld 35 mm movie camera. She had about as farked up a childhood as it is possible to have and live. She survived, and became a victim advocate. She said the internet has been a horror for her personally, because her films which originally had a limited audience have made their way on line and are popular. She gets emails from strangers telling her how much they enjoyed her performance. The one where she was three.


and with that, I'll step away from the internet for awhile.
2013-03-18 07:06:02 PM  
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: Nope, never forgot it. In fact, it's pretty much the reason I spoke. Perhaps making people aware that even they are quite capable of very depraved mob behaviors if they keep depersonalizing their target/victim and indulging in base thinking will help them to understand.


Think of a village being stalked by a tiger. The villagers rise up and form a mob to kill the tiger -- then a man stops them and says "wait -- think about the tiger -- how like us he can be and how like him we can be -- can't you understand why he does this?" and the villagers nod their heads and go back to their huts. Meanwhile a tiger still stalks the village. You can't fight evil only by understanding it. You can prevent it in the future maybe -- but it wont deal with your current problem.

Killing a human for acting like a jerk isn't an animal behavior. Its a human one. Lots of animals rape and murder each other. that animal mob violence you decry might just be our most human moment.

What other animal hunts down rapists and kills them?
2013-03-18 06:39:22 PM  
1 votes:
He fell up the stairs, happens sometimes.

In some countries, the villagers kill child molesters when they catch them doing things like this, before the Police arrive.

/It Takes A Village
2013-03-18 06:03:50 PM  
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: IMNSHO, you are morally NO better then the guy who rapes and tortures when you fantasize/wish/hope rape and torture on someone, no matter how deserving they are. You are cut from the same cloth, you just haven't acted on it....yet. Under the right circumstances? Make no mistake, you are closer to being them then you want to believe when you indulge such base thinking.


What guy? I don't see a guy -- i see a farking animal that should have been beaten savagely the first time it acted out but now just needs to be dragged out back and shot.

We are not cut from the same cloth. Under no circumstances will i ever rape a woman. I can understand how i might accidentaly commit something like theft or murder -- but violent rape is so wrong and so purposeful of action that partaking in it is a one way ticket out of humanity and its many protections and platitudes.

I have no desire to hurt those i consider subhuman either -- but that doesn't mean im going to sit there and let a feral dog roam free while my kids play in the yard. It goes out back then it goes in the ground.
2013-03-18 05:12:02 PM  
1 votes:

dready zim: If lollipop just suffered from a lack of empathy for ANYONE then you would be correct to attribute the collapse of society to them.


Depersonalization is a very well known way to get people to commit atrocities. Thats how we get 19 year old boys to shoot up villages of "Ragheads". It's how seemingly normal people gassed millions of innocents. They are less then people, and don't deserve to be treated with civility.

Same idea.
2013-03-18 04:50:07 PM  
1 votes:
Assuming this guy actually did what there seems to be pretty credible evidence that he did, I think it's really cute that people think there is any way in which "justice" could possibly be even remotely served in this case.  There is no possible universe in which a punishment determined by a civilized people could ever equal the horror inflicted upon that woman and her daughter.

The best part is that no matter how much this story bothers you, worse things are inflicted by humans on other humans the world over, every day. All day.

This happy thought brought to you by the fact that humans suck.
2013-03-18 04:37:31 PM  
1 votes:
Gotta love Fark.  Where murdering child molesters are held in higher regard than cops.
2013-03-18 04:36:16 PM  
1 votes:
How the arresting LEOs did not just take him deeper into the woods (one way) is amazing to me.
That's why they do that job and not me.

If not for the 'wrongfully convicted' arguement, I'd be for swift execution of all violent sex offenders and/or murderers.

Let's not be meek at have our inmates do our dirty work. Let's also not keep allowing the all too often story of "guy does sex crime, gets set free, does something worse"
Society needs to attempt something new to rid ourselves of this issue. Almost anything would be way farking better than what we're doing about it now.
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2013-03-18 04:18:25 PM  
1 votes:

Tak the Hideous New Girl: Do you really want to employ, work with, live next door to, be friends with or interact in any way with a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped? I certainly don't and I don't think that that makes me a bad person.


Unless you execute them, they have to live and work somewhere. If they're a danger, don't let them out. But if you let them out, don't treat them like lepers. It's not helping. I believe after someone serves out their court-appointed time, they deserve to be free.

Also... I guarantee you that you already work with / live next door to / interact with people that do all sorts of sick stuff in private with their door closed that you would disapprove of, if you knew about.
2013-03-18 04:16:26 PM  
1 votes:
I have written a script that parses each cop thread, death penalty thread, and child abuse thread and collates each poster by commonality and original comment, so they can easily be compared. I'm working on an algorithm to weight sentiment by people that hate cops, hate the death penalty, and yet also approve of torturing accused criminals.

Soon, I will be able and ready to confront you all with the contents of your own souls, and you will not be amused. You will be terrified by the abyss within ourselves
2013-03-18 03:58:22 PM  
1 votes:
Yanks_RSJ:

FarkinHostile: IMNSHO, you are morally NO better then the guy who rapes and tortures when you fantasize/wish/hope rape and torture on someone, no matter how deserving they are.

No, I'm pretty sure I'm better than someone who has committed a murder and raped a 10-year-old.  Despite your objection.
-Yanks_RSJ

Don't know if Yanks is a lawyer and IRS auditor.  If he is...then FarkinHolstile is on to something.  Else, FarkinHostile argument is flacid and dangling in the air like cut off micro USB cable.
2013-03-18 03:54:14 PM  
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: IMNSHO, you are morally NO better then the guy who rapes and tortures when you fantasize/wish/hope rape and torture on someone, no matter how deserving they are.


No, I'm pretty sure I'm better than someone who has committed a murder and raped a 10-year-old.  Despite your objection.
2013-03-18 03:31:43 PM  
1 votes:

maggoo: A civilized society recognizes that even despicable criminals have rights.  Just because no one will actually give a damn about this guy, it doesn't mean it is acceptable to have convicts torturing other convicts.

Unless you are ok not living in a civilized society.


I'm ok with it, Bucky.
2013-03-18 03:30:56 PM  
1 votes:

Caffandtranqs: Warlordtrooper: He lost his job at a supermarket, moved in with his mother and hadn't been able to find other work after his arrest, according to court documents.


So can we actually have an honest discussion about the unintended consequences of things like sex offender registries and how it can lead to more crime or should I just surrender to the fact that I'll be called a rape apologists for bringing up flaws in the system.

I could get behind you on that if his latest crime had been a bank robbery or something of the sort, not murdering a woman and raping her daughter.  His not being able to find work should have no bearing on his inability to not kill and rape.


If you push a person far enough they will do anything they have to.  I'm not saying that murder and rape is justified because its not.  But these people on these lists have no options.  They can't support themselves because they can't get a job  they have no friends and so they get pissed off and guess what they do.  They lash out back at the society that shuns them.  Its quite possible that if somebody had given this man a job, a 10 year old would have never been raped and her mother would still be alive.

Pretending a problem doesn't exists doesn't make it go away.  I'm interesting in fixing the problem not just ignoring it.

Great Janitor: It's not blood lust on my part.  It's that he took two people, a mother and daughter, bound them both.  As the mother watched (I assume, but definitely within  ear shot) he raped the girl, then with the girl still in the car, he stabbed the mother.  How does this man deserve anything other than to have the same done to him?  Shouldn't he get the chance to experience what he put his victims through?


That is not how justice works.  That is how vengeance works and there is a huge difference between the two.
2013-03-18 03:24:06 PM  
1 votes:

Jae0o0: NOT how I expected the guy to look at all. Wow.


Dude looks as though he was born with FAS.
2013-03-18 03:23:24 PM  
1 votes:
Getting through that repetitive article was painful
2013-03-18 03:23:12 PM  
1 votes:

Great Janitor: nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.

According to TFA, it wasn't the police who did it, it was apparently fellow prisoners.  Though there does seem to be an issue with them allowing him into the public holding cell.

He raped a girl and murdered her mother.  Don't guard this farker, don't put any effort into protecting him.  Let his fellow inmates bound him and rape him as he did to his victim.  That's the least he deserves.


The sad part is that this statement was done without any sense of Irony by Great Janitor.  Saying rape is a horrible crime that nobody deserves then wishing it upon somebody.  But of course the Internet tough guys have to have their blood lust filled.
2013-03-18 03:21:40 PM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: He lost his job at a supermarket, moved in with his mother and hadn't been able to find other work after his arrest, according to court documents.


So can we actually have an honest discussion about the unintended consequences of things like sex offender registries and how it can lead to more crime or should I just surrender to the fact that I'll be called a rape apologists for bringing up flaws in the system.


I don't think it's a problem that exists just to those on the sex offender list.  But part of a bigger problem.  I have a neighbor who is a convicted felon for possession of pot.  That's his only crime.  He hasn't had a job since the conviction because employers don't want to hire felons.

Things like felonies and registration lists manage to continually punish people long after they've served their time, and either abolish the lists or say that a person who's committed a crime on X nature must forever be in prison.  Not this bullshiat half way punishment of "You're free, but you have to remain on a list and subject to visitations, not being able to live in certain areas, etc, etc, etc..."
2013-03-18 03:18:59 PM  
1 votes:

Great Janitor: Master Sphincter: he will claim insanity and get it.

The common myth is that an insanity plea will get you off.  The reality, however, is that an insanity plea just sends you to a mental ward, a place that can actually be worse than prison.


Insanity pleas are entered in about 1% of felony cases and succeed about 25% of the time.
2013-03-18 03:13:33 PM  
1 votes:

Master Sphincter: he will claim insanity and get it.


The common myth is that an insanity plea will get you off.  The reality, however, is that an insanity plea just sends you to a mental ward, a place that can actually be worse than prison.
2013-03-18 03:13:02 PM  
1 votes:

maggoo: A civilized society recognizes that even despicable criminals have rights.  Just because no one will actually give a damn about this guy, it doesn't mean it is acceptable to have convicts torturing other convicts.

Unless you are ok not living in a civilized society.


I came to say this. Very well put.
2013-03-18 03:10:40 PM  
1 votes:
he will claim insanity and get it.
2013-03-18 03:10:15 PM  
1 votes:

geo9270: [i.qkme.me image 625x770]


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2013-03-18 03:09:50 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, he looks like a guy who's likely to have normal, healthy relationships with women.
2013-03-18 03:09:11 PM  
1 votes:
This is how to explain it it--FTA:
He was assaulted by other inmates at the Onondaga County Justice Center during his first day in jail.
Guy is messed up.
2013-03-18 03:08:18 PM  
1 votes:

nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.


FTFA:He was assaulted by other inmates at the Onondaga County Justice Center during his first day in jail

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2294676/David-Renz-Sex-offend e r-killed-librarian-raped-daughter-10-beaten-day-jail.html#ixzz2Nv5g6uJ x

Just jumped out in front of that as fast as you could, huh?
/Not a fan of police myself, typically
2013-03-18 03:07:16 PM  
1 votes:
First greenlight!

Just unfortunate that it came from such a tragic story :-(
2013-03-18 03:02:19 PM  
1 votes:
He fell down, or something.

/ probably got into a scrap while in jail; they don't like kiddy diddlers there
2013-03-18 03:01:40 PM  
1 votes:
Filthy pigs
 
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