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(Daily Mail)   Police unsure how a convicted sex offender, who was taken into custody after being charged with murdering a woman and raping her ten year old daughter, could show up to his first hearing with a broken nose   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 329
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2013-03-18 09:25:22 PM
Events led this guy to realize that the only relationship he would ever know consensually with a female, a cyber one, was coming to an end.  So, what to do?, what to do for him was to go out with a flourish and execute his grandest fantasy..  I can only imagine that this Mom died in the vain yet valiant attempt of shielding her daughter from a depraved, murderous, monsterous pervert.

If this is the guy that is eventually convicted we should all be concerned for our kids because it means 4Channers are acting out their true personalities.
 
2013-03-18 09:32:19 PM

GlassNinja: My god...this happened in my hometown, and is an absolutely horrific crime. And has especially hit home for me as a pre-teen survivor myself.

This is the first photo I've seen of him.  And he has waited on me hundreds of times as a clerk at our local Wegmans grocery store.  I guess I always thought I would be able to sniff out that kind of psychopath.  But he was nice, friendly and efficient.  A stellar employee.  It scares the shiat out of me to know that kind of evil can be so easily hidden...


You know this dude??
 
2013-03-18 09:37:20 PM

This text is now purple: Tak the Hideous New Girl: This text is now purple: Tak the Hideous New Girl: Do you really want to employ, work with, live next door to, be friends with or interact in any way with a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped? I certainly don't and I don't think that that makes me a bad person.

Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.

So you approve of the rape and abuse of children as long as it doesn't affect you personally?

You are vile person.

Nice strawman.

The situation is the social ostracision of a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped. I see no requirement for actual children being involved, considering animation or simulation are often sufficient in the eyes of the law for conviction. What's at issue is the concept, not the execution.


That's not what you said originally. Your caveat limiting the child porn to simulation or animation changes the whole argument, doesn't it?

I still think that beating off to children getting raped is disgusting as hell and I certainly wouldn't want to associate with such a person *but* if no one is getting hurt than no crime is being committed.

So what percentage of child pornography simulated or animated and how much is actual?
 
2013-03-18 09:42:48 PM

Tak the Hideous New Girl: So what percentage of child pornography simulated or animated and how much is actual?


What we should do is take volunteers on who wants to do the research and then just beat anyone who seemed to eager to do it.
 
2013-03-18 10:11:51 PM

DerAppie: No reason to go all Serbian because of a movie.


t.fod4.com
 
2013-03-18 10:15:22 PM

tonguedepressor: GlassNinja: My god...this happened in my hometown, and is an absolutely horrific crime. And has especially hit home for me as a pre-teen survivor myself.

This is the first photo I've seen of him.  And he has waited on me hundreds of times as a clerk at our local Wegmans grocery store.  I guess I always thought I would be able to sniff out that kind of psychopath.  But he was nice, friendly and efficient.  A stellar employee.  It scares the shiat out of me to know that kind of evil can be so easily hidden...

You know this dude??

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2013/03/david_renz_was_a_cour te ous_sma.html

The poster you quoted likely shopped there. Mercifully, I've only been in there a couple times and never saw the guy, as there's a Wegmans closer to me.

/Wegmans is awesome.
//No seriously, they have tons of awesome stuff
 
2013-03-18 10:15:27 PM

Tak the Hideous New Girl: I still think that beating off to children getting raped is disgusting as hell and I certainly wouldn't want to associate with such a person *but* if no one is getting hurt than no crime is being committed.


The PROTECT act called from 2003, its illegal if it doesn't pass the Miller test
 
2013-03-18 10:30:29 PM

DerPups: for those that DRTFA, the 5-0 didn't do it, the general pop did...


And I'm sure the guards knew that would happen when they tossed him in there.
 
2013-03-18 11:13:21 PM

dready zim: Lollipop165: serpent_sky: This text is now purple: Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.

I sort of agree, because you're right and nobody is going to be hurt by what someone beats off to in their house.

BUT... if they are looking for kiddie porn, they help create the market for it, and children are hurt by kiddie porn. Badly. So it's a strange line because no, nobody is being hurt by someone watching it. But there was a lot of hurt in the creation process of what they are watching and if there is a market for it, more people will be hurt in while people supply said market.

Long time no see serpent sky :-)

And yes, I agree with you about the "creation" process of pedophilia. So am I wrong then to assume that drawing acts of pedophilia is not illegal? I'd assume it isn't.

Or having adults dress like children and make porn? That must be legal with this rational also.

What about if these people were naked?
[resources2.news.com.au image 650x366]

It gets very grey...


Like, how many shades?
 
2013-03-18 11:37:46 PM

Ed Grubermann: andychrist420: dready zim: Due process people, it stops the police just killing YOU even if you are innocent.

If this guy doesn`t get it then you don`t and I don`t.

I want it and you want it so he has to get it.

That`s how it works no matter how big a mob you have and whatever he has or hasn`t done.

Convicts tend to have their own definition of "due process"  Take it up with them.

Which is all fine and dandy until you get wrongfully accused of some heinous crime involving a child. I'm not say this guy was wrongly accused, I'm not talking about him. I'm talking about you. I'm talking about you letting your emotions revoke your ethics. I'm talking about your disregard for your own safety because you want to see this bastard get killed.


Which is my fault how?  I never said I wanted him killed.  All I said was that people in jail have their own code of justice.  Nothing I can do about it.  I notice though, he didn't get a broken nose the first time he was in jail on the child pornography charge.  Maybe it was the whole raping and killing thing.  Or maybe he just looked at someone sideways.  He will still get his day in court, and if all that comes out of it is he got a broken nose, he should consider himself lucky.
 
2013-03-19 12:16:34 AM
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2013-03-19 12:35:46 AM
FarkinHostile and anyone who thinks like FarkinHostile are the worst kind of naive. One of the idiots in this very thread made a rape-sympathy post complaining about how poorly we treat our rapists. In it they literally complained about how the registry prevents people from making friends. Oh boo hoo the rapists can't make friends *cry
 
2013-03-19 02:49:13 AM

m00: Great Janitor: m00: Warlordtrooper: The sad part is that this statement was done without any sense of Irony by Great Janitor.  Saying rape is a horrible crime that nobody deserves then wishing it upon somebody.  But of course the Internet tough guys have to have their blood lust filled.

We also apparently live in a world where the mere accusation by police by a crime = you are 100% guilty, and deserved be raped to death by convicts.

Where is there even the slightest chance that he is innocent???

Um, we have a judicial system with the premise of "innocent assumed guilty, presumed not guilty until proven guilty in a court of law." Not "innocent, unless we reeeeeeally think he did it, then it's okay to skip the trial and go right to the ritual rape punishment"


innocent is not a legal term and there is no finding of innocent in a court of law
presumption of innocence refers only to a defendants rights at trail, not pretrial
the presumption is not guilty
the assumption is guilt
no assumption, no trial
 
Skr
2013-03-19 04:51:11 AM
Ted Raimi was never the same after being typecast as Joxer from Xena -Warrior Princess
 
2013-03-19 06:09:42 AM

andychrist420: Ed Grubermann: andychrist420: dready zim: Due process people, it stops the police just killing YOU even if you are innocent.

If this guy doesn`t get it then you don`t and I don`t.

I want it and you want it so he has to get it.

That`s how it works no matter how big a mob you have and whatever he has or hasn`t done.

Convicts tend to have their own definition of "due process"  Take it up with them.

Which is all fine and dandy until you get wrongfully accused of some heinous crime involving a child. I'm not say this guy was wrongly accused, I'm not talking about him. I'm talking about you. I'm talking about you letting your emotions revoke your ethics. I'm talking about your disregard for your own safety because you want to see this bastard get killed.

Which is my fault how?  I never said I wanted him killed.  All I said was that people in jail have their own code of justice.  Nothing I can do about it.  I notice though, he didn't get a broken nose the first time he was in jail on the child pornography charge.  Maybe it was the whole raping and killing thing.  Or maybe he just looked at someone sideways.  He will still get his day in court, and if all that comes out of it is he got a broken nose, he should consider himself lucky.


And once he has been convicted then he should just go in general pop. Until then he should be treated as though he were an innocent man, or to put it another way, he should be treated as well as you would want to be if you were in his position and you were innocent awaiting trial...
 
2013-03-19 09:42:29 AM

GlassNinja: My god...this happened in my hometown, and is an absolutely horrific crime. And has especially hit home for me as a pre-teen survivor myself.

This is the first photo I've seen of him.  And he has waited on me hundreds of times as a clerk at our local Wegmans grocery store.  I guess I always thought I would be able to sniff out that kind of psychopath.  But he was nice, friendly and efficient.  A stellar employee.  It scares the shiat out of me to know that kind of evil can be so easily hidden...


Yep. The Wegmans staff is shocked as hell. (And BTW to whomever said he did this because he is an unemployed loser, Wegmans is the number one company to work for in the country. They treat their employees very well, and for an unskilled worker, a Wegmans job is as good as it gets. He was liked and respected and had a future there. He blew all that with his kiddie porn stash.)
 
2013-03-19 09:54:16 AM

Ed Grubermann: I'm sorry, what part of asking for justice makes him a pedophile? Oh, that's right. He's not screaming for this guy's blood before he's been convicted, therefore he must be a fellow pedo.


I'm not even asking for justice, I'm just asking that we don't stoop to the same level of savagery, thus becoming monsters ourselves. I'm not surprised the Pedo accusation eventually came out, it's par for the course when you don't celebrate pedos getting raped and tortured in prison.

Yeah, and I'm the one projecting. (rolls eyes)

Fafai: FarkinHostile and anyone who thinks like FarkinHostile are the worst kind of naive.


Not naive, but I am idealistic with this topic. So answer me this, Mr. Sophisticated: just WTF does torturing/raping a pedophile accomplish?

Nothing, except making a bad person worse and a monster of ourselves.
 
2013-03-19 10:50:20 AM

Digitalstrange: maggoo: A civilized society recognizes that even despicable criminals have rights.  Just because no one will actually give a damn about this guy, it doesn't mean it is acceptable to have convicts torturing other convicts.

Unless you are ok not living in a civilized society.

I don't live in jail. I'm OK with it not being that civilized. QQ more for the kiddy diddler/killer


That seems reasonable. After all, you'll probably never be arrested mistakenly for a crime you didn't commit, so it doesn't really matter if the occasional person who doesn't deserve it gets badly beaten or killed by criminals, as long as the ones that are guilty get a beating before they've had a fair trial or chance to defend themselves. I just don't see why you're not the Attorney General.
 
2013-03-19 11:02:04 AM

tonguedepressor: GlassNinja: My god...this happened in my hometown, and is an absolutely horrific crime. And has especially hit home for me as a pre-teen survivor myself.

This is the first photo I've seen of him.  And he has waited on me hundreds of times as a clerk at our local Wegmans grocery store.  I guess I always thought I would be able to sniff out that kind of psychopath.  But he was nice, friendly and efficient.  A stellar employee.  It scares the shiat out of me to know that kind of evil can be so easily hidden...

You know this dude??


I didn't KNOW him, I knew OF him.  He worked at the grocery store near me and waited on me many times as a cashier.
 
2013-03-19 02:27:15 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk www.famousdyslexicpeople.com

/can't believe I'm the first person to think of this
 
2013-03-19 03:00:19 PM
Fafai: FarkinHostile and anyone who thinks like FarkinHostile are the worst kind of naive.

Not naive, but I am idealistic with this topic. So answer me this, Mr. Sophisticated: just WTF does torturing/raping a pedophile accomplish?


Relax, Mr. Everyone Has To Agree With Me Or They're Automatically Frothing-At-The-Mouth For Violence and Rape. It must be easy to feel so superior when you turn all your assumed enemies into mindless, snarling monsters straight out of a Will Smith flick. Your words make you look like an idiot.

By "thinks like" and "naive" I mean to say that you seem the type who thinks violence has no place in our world at all, that nothing positive can come of it. The very obvious go-tos are self defense or stopping an evil act, but that is just one side of a broad spectrum. On the opposite end of that spectrum is "murdering and raping defenseless innocents without remorse", not "wanting to beat up rapists" so you claiming it's the same thing makes you look like a fool with a limited, binary-like comprehension of things.

And I challenge you to show me where I implied I want anyone beaten and/or raped.
 
2013-03-19 03:44:47 PM
Fafai:


Relax, Mr. Everyone Has To Agree With Me Or They're Automatically Frothing-At-The-Mouth For Violence and Rape. It must be easy to feel so superior when you turn all your assumed enemies into mindless, snarling monsters straight out of a Will Smith flick. Your words make you look like an idiot.

"FarkinHostile and anyone who thinks like FarkinHostile are the worst kind of naive."


Your very first words were an attack on me, and anyone who thinks like me. So do forgive me if I'm not all duckies and bunnies with you. My username IS Farkinhostile, after all.


Will Smith? Really? I take it you are referring to MIB? That is a pretty lame analogy considering how many genres of movies Smith is involved in. Hell, most of the Aliens in MIB are not evil monsters. Try George Romero, Brian De Palma or Bella Legosi next time for a more apt analogy.

Just sayin'.

By "thinks like" and "naive" I mean to say that you seem the type who thinks violence has no place in our world at all, that nothing positive can come of it. The very obvious go-tos are self defense or stopping an evil act, but that is just one side of a broad spectrum.

You clearly know NOTHING about what I think about violence. All you know about what I think from this thread is regarding torture, rape and what it means to be civilized. That's it.


 On the opposite end of that spectrum is "murdering and raping defenseless innocents without remorse", not "wanting to beat up rapists" so you claiming it's the same thing makes you look like a fool with a limited, binary-like comprehension of things.


It's also clear you either didn't really read my posts or didn't understand them. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and go with didn't really read them. Read them slowly if you have to. Sound out the words.


And I challenge you to show me where I implied I want anyone beaten and/or raped.

You didn't. I asked you a relevant question since I am so naive. Answer it.
 
2013-03-19 04:00:26 PM
I was talking about I am Legend.
 
2013-03-19 04:13:09 PM
What does violence against pedophiles accomplish? Pragmatically, socially? Very little, if anything.

But on a personal level, if someone wanted to beat and possibly kill a man who raped and murdered a love one, claiming only catharsis as the reason? That's enough for me to look the other way. You claim this makes me the same kind of monster who has committed rape on an innocent girl. This is why people think you're a troll.
 
2013-03-19 04:42:22 PM

Fafai: What does violence against pedophiles accomplish? Pragmatically, socially? Very little, if anything.

But on a personal level, if someone wanted to beat and possibly kill a man who raped and murdered a love one, claiming only catharsis as the reason? That's enough for me to look the other way. You claim this makes me the same kind of monster who has committed rape on an innocent girl. This is why people think you're a troll.


I agree. this is also why he in fact IS a troll. or a freshman who took a sociology class and suddenly thinks he has the answers to a perfect society. either way, he's got a pretty underdeveloped sense of reality. the reality is that it's perfectly fine to hate someone who killed a mother and raped her daughter. doesn't make US sick, it just means we can recognize that the killer is horrible.
 
2013-03-19 05:03:12 PM

Fafai: I was talking about I am Legend.


Ah. Yet that is again quite poetic, if you understand the book/movie. Hint: HE was the monster, not the infected. Thus, he was a legend to the infected.

Seriously, look it up.


But on a personal level, if someone wanted to beat and possibly kill a man who raped and murdered a love one, claiming only catharsis as the reason?

First off, if you read my posts (like I told you to do) You will see that I have spoken strongly about cold blooded TORTURE, not hot blooded angry violence.  That said, Thirst for Vengeance is a completely understandable, human emotion. What is is not, however, is civilized. THAT is the point. Plus, we are not even discussing such a case. No one here knew that girl or woman, they have no personal involvement,  they just want someone to be tortured/raped. But it's a bad guy, so raping/torturing is ok.

That's enough for me to look the other way.

Which makes you share in the guilt.


You claim this makes me the same kind of monster who has committed rape on an innocent girl.

Not the same kind of monster, but guilty of abetting/enabling a monster. A monster helper, if you will.

All it took was for normal German people to look the other way for the holocaust to happen. Had they spoke up/resisted that evil, it wouldn't have happened. Are they as guilty as the SS who actually dropped Zyclon B in the showers? No. Were they a integral part of it? When they smelled the burning flesh, when they had singed tufts of human hair fall from the smoky skies, when they saw trainloads of HUMAN BEINGS enter and not leave, when they heard what was going on and did nothing, that made them monsters. Lesser ones, to be sure, but nonetheless monsters.


 This is why people think you're a troll.

Frankly, I don't give a shiat what people think about me, especially people who don't even know what a troll is, and throw it around every time someone has a different opinion that them. I have a very strong loathing for people who misuse "troll", even when they are on my side.
 
2013-03-19 06:11:40 PM
There's a difference between me and the "normal" German people who looked the other way on holocaust torture. They had lots of propaganda and national pressure and other reasons to accept those travesties as necessary, whereas I will happily look the other way on violence against a known rapist of my own accord without outside influence. I am perfectly happy "sharing in the guilt" of a merciless coward's comeuppance so good luck trying to guilt me there.

You say we can't just take things into our own hands and dole out punishments on a personal level but that is wrong. We can and we do. Continue to rally against what is perfectly normal if you must, but it's not going to change anything.

Also jumping from "they didn't know her--they just want someone to be tortured/raped" is a little messed up. Do you find it impossible the concept of sympathy for strangers?
 
2013-03-20 01:01:20 PM
Tak the Hideous New Girl: This text is now purple: Tak the Hideous New Girl: Do you really want to employ, work with, live next door to, be friends with or interact in any way with a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped? I certainly don't and I don't think that that makes me a bad person.
Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.
So you approve of the rape and abuse of children as long as it doesn't affect you personally?
You are vile person.


Actually it makes him the typical Libertarian.
 
2013-03-20 03:47:39 PM

Latinwolf: Actually it makes him the typical Libertarian.


I'm a libertarian myself, for the most part, I'm mostly of a 'as long as it doesn't harm anybody but consenting informed adults, do what you will',  I'm also of the type 'I may disagree with everything you say, but I'll defend your right to say it with my life'.

The problem with CP is potentially twofold:
1.  Children are harmed in the making of it.  Non-applicable for 'fake' child porn, IE drawn, photo-manip, etc...
2.  A Pedophile who views child porn may be more likely to actually act out their desires; IE it increases the risk to those who are children NOW, even if the CP is 100 years old and everybody in the film is already dead.  IF TRUE - it might apply to fake CP as well.

I can see making production of CP illegal for #1, distribution of existing(confiscated) CP for the protection of the victims and such, etc...  Now, while I don't even like the idea of CP, my standard is that I DO NOT push for banning something simply because I find it 'icky', and therefore ask for some proof of #2 being true(or some unseen variation on it) before banning more stuff on that basis.
 
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