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2013-03-18 04:50:19 PM

Lollipop165: FarkinHostile: Amusement: Consider third option "insane".

Mmmmm. The guy speaking out against torture and rape is the insane one.

You're closer to the mark then the others, but not for the reason you think.

No, it really seems like you are the one who is suppressing the urges, as you assume that "The only reason they don't act on it is self interest because they don't want to get punished and under the right circumstances would act out those fantasies".

I exceedingly doubt anyone of these farkers who say "Meh, he got what he deserves" would actively try to hurt someone even out of vengeance. But your assumptions about other people's motives tell me far more about what's going on in FarkinHostile's mind if that is your understanding of humanity.


It`s like saying "Well, we all have goat fantasies, we just don`t actually go out and fark a goat"
 
2013-03-18 04:50:54 PM

serpent_sky: This text is now purple: Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.

I sort of agree, because you're right and nobody is going to be hurt by what someone beats off to in their house.

BUT... if they are looking for kiddie porn, they help create the market for it, and children are hurt by kiddie porn. Badly. So it's a strange line because no, nobody is being hurt by someone watching it. But there was a lot of hurt in the creation process of what they are watching and if there is a market for it, more people will be hurt in while people supply said market.


Long time no see serpent sky :-)

And yes, I agree with you about the "creation" process of pedophilia. So am I wrong then to assume that drawing acts of pedophilia is not illegal? I'd assume it isn't.
 
2013-03-18 04:51:11 PM

FarkinHostile: Amusement: Consider third option "insane".

Mmmmm. The guy speaking out against torture and rape is the insane one.

You're closer to the mark then the others, but not for the reason you think.


But you're not really saying that.  You said that a murdering rapist is no less moral than anyone else in society, they just haven't had the opportunity to commit the crime yet.  Yeah, I'd go with insane too.

/Thinking/saying something is not the same as doing it
//Where are you when the bloodlust is against the cops?
 
2013-03-18 04:51:37 PM

dready zim: kendelrio: **Post-script to my post**:

YMMV

/and it was SO tough typing that and keeping a straight face....

//as the father of a ten year old girl, I say the f*cker should burn

ONCE CONVICTED


Absolutely once convicted.
 
2013-03-18 04:51:58 PM

m00: Great Janitor: m00: Warlordtrooper: The sad part is that this statement was done without any sense of Irony by Great Janitor.  Saying rape is a horrible crime that nobody deserves then wishing it upon somebody.  But of course the Internet tough guys have to have their blood lust filled.

We also apparently live in a world where the mere accusation by police by a crime = you are 100% guilty, and deserved be raped to death by convicts.

Where is there even the slightest chance that he is innocent???

Um, we have a judicial system with the premise of "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law." Not "innocent, unless we reeeeeeally think he did it, then it's okay to skip the trial and go right to the ritual rape punishment"


I agree that we do have a thing about how a jury must convict you before you are guilty.  But this guy did it.  It's impossible to read this story and think for a moment he's as innocent of this rape and murder as you and I are.
 
2013-03-18 04:52:25 PM
His high-school prom pic?

www.wtf.cc
 
2013-03-18 04:54:24 PM
Due process people, it stops the police just killing YOU even if you are innocent.

If this guy doesn`t get it then you don`t and I don`t.

I want it and you want it so he has to get it.

That`s how it works no matter how big a mob you have and whatever he has or hasn`t done.
 
2013-03-18 04:54:25 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-18 04:57:05 PM
I know a ton of people in the Syracuse area, including law enforcement and how come this is the first time I'm hearing about this?

From a British newspaper, that's nickname involves failing..........
 
2013-03-18 04:57:27 PM

Lollipop165: serpent_sky: This text is now purple: Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.

I sort of agree, because you're right and nobody is going to be hurt by what someone beats off to in their house.

BUT... if they are looking for kiddie porn, they help create the market for it, and children are hurt by kiddie porn. Badly. So it's a strange line because no, nobody is being hurt by someone watching it. But there was a lot of hurt in the creation process of what they are watching and if there is a market for it, more people will be hurt in while people supply said market.

Long time no see serpent sky :-)

And yes, I agree with you about the "creation" process of pedophilia. So am I wrong then to assume that drawing acts of pedophilia is not illegal? I'd assume it isn't.


Or having adults dress like children and make porn? That must be legal with this rational also.

What about if these people were naked?
resources2.news.com.au

It gets very grey...
 
m00
2013-03-18 04:57:38 PM

dready zim: It`s like saying "Well, we all have goat fantasies, we just don`t actually go out and fark a goat"


Is that...how it is? :p
 
2013-03-18 04:58:02 PM

Lollipop165: serpent_sky: This text is now purple: Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.

I sort of agree, because you're right and nobody is going to be hurt by what someone beats off to in their house.

BUT... if they are looking for kiddie porn, they help create the market for it, and children are hurt by kiddie porn. Badly. So it's a strange line because no, nobody is being hurt by someone watching it. But there was a lot of hurt in the creation process of what they are watching and if there is a market for it, more people will be hurt in while people supply said market.

Long time no see serpent sky :-)

And yes, I agree with you about the "creation" process of pedophilia. So am I wrong then to assume that drawing acts of pedophilia is not illegal? I'd assume it isn't.


I've been around... probably not as much as I used to be. Life and all... :)

I'm not sure of the legality of drawings of pedophilia.  Odds are, yes, they're legal, but you probably wouldn't want to be caught with them, regardless, or be the person testing just how legal it is to possess or distribute said drawings.  Sort of like one of my friends who always makes a big deal about how it's legal in our state for passengers in cars to have open containers, so long as the driver is sober. I'm sure it is. That said, I don't want to be the person pulled over with three passengers drinking beers in my car even if I haven't had a drink myself in over a month.
 
2013-03-18 04:59:26 PM
ferretman:  His high-school prom pic?

I've seen that pic a few times here in Fark.  Is that a real pic of a school dance/prom event or some sort of photo art work?
 
2013-03-18 04:59:29 PM
American Justice: Innocent until proven guilty... unless he is weird looking.
 
2013-03-18 04:59:37 PM

dready zim: Due process people, it stops the police just killing YOU even if you are innocent.

If this guy doesn`t get it then you don`t and I don`t.

I want it and you want it so he has to get it.

That`s how it works no matter how big a mob you have and whatever he has or hasn`t done.


Convicts tend to have their own definition of "due process"  Take it up with them.
 
2013-03-18 05:00:42 PM

Caffandtranqs: willfullyobscure: I have written a script that parses each cop thread, death penalty thread, and child abuse thread and collates each poster by commonality and original comment, so they can easily be compared. I'm working on an algorithm to weight sentiment by people that hate cops, hate the death penalty, and yet also approve of torturing accused criminals.

Soon, I will be able and ready to confront you all with the contents of your own souls, and you will not be amused. You will be terrified by the abyss within ourselves

Are you a computational linguist?


Don't have to be. I use cloud computing.
 
2013-03-18 05:01:49 PM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: I am actually surprised. I have a friend who works in a prison and they take this shiat pretty seriously. Offenders that are high up on the 'likely to get the shiat kicked out of them' are usually put into  ad seg.


He was in jail, not prison (and there are vast differences between the two), but as the article stated he was put in a holding cell with other jail inmates, which violated jail procedures. Because of the crimes he was charged with, he was supposed to be in protective custody.
 
2013-03-18 05:02:05 PM

Tat'dGreaser: I know a ton of people in the Syracuse area, including law enforcement and how come this is the first time I'm hearing about this?

From a British newspaper, that's nickname involves failing..........


Don't know. It's been the lead on every news channel and in every paper since it happened.

/watching it now
 
2013-03-18 05:02:53 PM

Lollipop165: serpent_sky: This text is now purple: Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.

I sort of agree, because you're right and nobody is going to be hurt by what someone beats off to in their house.

BUT... if they are looking for kiddie porn, they help create the market for it, and children are hurt by kiddie porn. Badly. So it's a strange line because no, nobody is being hurt by someone watching it. But there was a lot of hurt in the creation process of what they are watching and if there is a market for it, more people will be hurt in while people supply said market.

Long time no see serpent sky :-)

And yes, I agree with you about the "creation" process of pedophilia. So am I wrong then to assume that drawing acts of pedophilia is not illegal? I'd assume it isn't.


Its been banned and judicially overturned a couple times.

Right now it is ambiguously illegal, but no one has been charged for having drawings without also being caught with actual child porn.
 
m00
2013-03-18 05:05:11 PM

serpent_sky: I'm not sure of the legality of drawings of pedophilia.  Odds are, yes, they're legal, but you probably wouldn't want to be caught with them, regardless, or be the person testing just how legal it is to possess or distribute said drawings.  Sort of like one of my friends who always makes a big deal about how it's legal in our state for passengers in cars to have open containers, so long as the driver is sober. I'm sure it is. That said, I don't want to be the person pulled over with three passengers drinking beers in my car even if I haven't had a drink myself in over a month.


You should read about the guy who was caught with a Little Lupe (I think that's her name) tape. A professional porn star 18 at the time of the filming, prosecution swore she was underage, got "expert witnesses" to come in and testify she was underage based on the video. Guy was done for. Then he contacted the actress and thankfully she was a good person and came into the courtroom and said "yes, I was 18."

But, I'm sure some farkers would have him prison raped anyway.
 
2013-03-18 05:05:16 PM

Bathia_Mapes: He was in jail, not prison (and there are vast differences between the two), but as the article stated he was put in a holding cell with other jail inmates, which violated jail procedures. Because of the crimes he was charged with, he was supposed to be in protective custody.


Ahh well that clears that up then actually. Jails are usually run by morons.
 
2013-03-18 05:05:26 PM

Lollipop165: /wrongful conviction is really the only reason I'm anti-death penalty


That's true, but if the evidence is undisputable, then I'm sort of indifferent - one one hand, a dead man doesnt re-offend.  On the other hand, why should he get the easy way out?  Let his ass get tortured long and slow for life in prison where he will not have a single friend in a world of sadists on both sides of the bars.  I say let the victims' family decide.
 
2013-03-18 05:06:21 PM

dready zim: Or having adults dress like children and make porn? That must be legal with this rational also.


I would say that is legal, and possibly more so than the drawings, since everyone watching the porn (if it's through a real studio with the disclaimer that everyone is over 18 and the documents are on file per law etc etc) goes in knowing the people dressed/acting younger are adults.  There's a huge difference between role play and fantasy between consenting adults and actual child porn or depictions of child porn. In this case, it's not child porn, and it can't be child porn because they're all adults.

Though I stand by my guess that the drawings and likely legal but you don't want to be the test case of said legality. And that your life won't be much fun if you're found/known to have or distribute said drawings.  It feels like it's solidly in a grey area because it would be aimed at titillating someone interested in actual children and not adult role play or fantasy, which is what the porn example is.
 
2013-03-18 05:08:12 PM

Lollipop165: FarkinHostile: Amusement: Consider third option "insane".

Mmmmm. The guy speaking out against torture and rape is the insane one.

You're closer to the mark then the others, but not for the reason you think.

No, it really seems like you are the one who is suppressing the urges, as you assume that "The only reason they don't act on it is self interest because they don't want to get punished and under the right circumstances would act out those fantasies".

I exceedingly doubt anyone of these farkers who say "Meh, he got what he deserves" would actively try to hurt someone even out of vengeance. But your assumptions about other people's motives tell me far more about what's going on in FarkinHostile's mind if that is your understanding of humanity.



Ah, the old "You have a strong opinion on this topic, therefore you must be secretly into it." Or, in the Old English "Methinks the Lady doth protest too much." I'm somewhat surprised no one has called me a secret child molester, as that is related to the thread topic, and if you don't froth at the mouth to have a child molester brutally raped in prison, why, you must be one yourself!

I'm not the one talking about how awesome it would be for someone to get tortured, sister. I'm not the one salivating thinking about him getting ganged raped in prison. I'm the one speaking out against it. I speak out against torture and rape, I spoke out against it when the US did it in the war, and I'll speak out against it whenever I hear someone talk about it in glowing terms. Perhaps I'll get lucky and someone will see the error of indulging in such puke thinking. Perhaps not, but fark it, I'll say what I feel.
 
2013-03-18 05:08:35 PM

m00: Tak the Hideous New Girl: Do you really want to employ, work with, live next door to, be friends with or interact in any way with a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped? I certainly don't and I don't think that that makes me a bad person.

Unless you execute them, they have to live and work somewhere. If they're a danger, don't let them out. But if you let them out, don't treat them like lepers. It's not helping. I believe after someone serves out their court-appointed time, they deserve to be free.

Also... I guarantee you that you already work with / live next door to / interact with people that do all sorts of sick stuff in private with their door closed that you would disapprove of, if you knew about.


First of all: Nope, I do not have to like/employ/interact with anyone who beats off to raped children. As far as I'm concerned, they are worse than lepers, they made the choice to beat off to raped children.

Second: What percentage of the population do you think engage in "sick stuff" behind closed doors? I don't think it's so high that I have to worry about it on a day to day basis.
 
2013-03-18 05:12:02 PM

dready zim: If lollipop just suffered from a lack of empathy for ANYONE then you would be correct to attribute the collapse of society to them.


Depersonalization is a very well known way to get people to commit atrocities. Thats how we get 19 year old boys to shoot up villages of "Ragheads". It's how seemingly normal people gassed millions of innocents. They are less then people, and don't deserve to be treated with civility.

Same idea.
 
2013-03-18 05:12:24 PM

stonicus: American Justice: Innocent until proven guilty... unless he is weird looking.


Yes you are right!  That is what is causing the moral ambiguity and turmoil here....his looks.  Not at all that he allegedly raped a 10 year old girl (probably in front of her mother) and then killed the mother, a crime so heinous and tragic that it may cause people to dissociate..

So to be clear, what is it that YOU care about?
 
2013-03-18 05:14:00 PM

This text is now purple: Tak the Hideous New Girl: Do you really want to employ, work with, live next door to, be friends with or interact in any way with a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped? I certainly don't and I don't think that that makes me a bad person.

Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.


So you approve of the rape and abuse of children as long as it doesn't affect you personally?

You are vile person.
 
2013-03-18 05:15:29 PM

LeroyBourne: Was that a before pic?  If anything they were helping him smash it back into place.


Ok. So my thoughts in under 10
 
2013-03-18 05:17:18 PM

Tak the Hideous New Girl: So you approve of the rape and abuse of children as long as it doesn't affect you personally?

You are vile person.


WelcomeToFark.jpg

/ only because your handle has "New" in it
 
2013-03-18 05:22:09 PM

Tak the Hideous New Girl: Child porn is a bit more than "OMG, think of the children!" hysteria as you posted earlier. It is actual children being filmed as they are raped and abused for the sexual gratification of people who have absolutely no empathy/conscience.


Depends on the jurisdiction.  In some areas actors 'dressed young' and even outright animation qualifies.

namegoeshere: If this had been a kiddie diddler beat down, I suspect he'd be worse off than a broken nose.


Given his appearance, I'd say that his broken nose was simply from appearing to be a total dork, not his accused crimes.
 
2013-03-18 05:25:30 PM

FarkinHostile: Lollipop165: FarkinHostile: Amusement: Consider third option "insane".

Mmmmm. The guy speaking out against torture and rape is the insane one.

You're closer to the mark then the others, but not for the reason you think.

No, it really seems like you are the one who is suppressing the urges, as you assume that "The only reason they don't act on it is self interest because they don't want to get punished and under the right circumstances would act out those fantasies".

I exceedingly doubt anyone of these farkers who say "Meh, he got what he deserves" would actively try to hurt someone even out of vengeance. But your assumptions about other people's motives tell me far more about what's going on in FarkinHostile's mind if that is your understanding of humanity.


Ah, the old "You have a strong opinion on this topic, therefore you must be secretly into it." Or, in the Old English "Methinks the Lady doth protest too much." I'm somewhat surprised no one has called me a secret child molester, as that is related to the thread topic, and if you don't froth at the mouth to have a child molester brutally raped in prison, why, you must be one yourself!

I'm not the one talking about how awesome it would be for someone to get tortured, sister. I'm not the one salivating thinking about him getting ganged raped in prison. I'm the one speaking out against it. I speak out against torture and rape, I spoke out against it when the US did it in the war, and I'll speak out against it whenever I hear someone talk about it in glowing terms. Perhaps I'll get lucky and someone will see the error of indulging in such puke thinking. Perhaps not, but fark it, I'll say what I feel.


There's problems with your argument.

#1 - Never once in this thread did I fantasize about hurting him. I'm in the apathetic cart.

#2 - I'm not arguing "Methinks the Lady doth protest too much". I'm arguing that your perception of the reason why people don't do horrific acts says more about your personal understanding of humanity and therefore yourself than it does of any actuality. Your understanding of humanity is that people don't do bad acts only because we fear of being punished. Therefore we are all on the same boat - the murder with Mother Theresa with you and with me - our rages and murderous urges on kept on the inside by a society that is "civilizing" us. As your argument goes.

My understanding of humanity is we don't do bad acts because it is not in our natures to hurt other people - we are the builders of society, not the product of it -  which is why someone who brutally kills and rapes I no longer consider as worthy of the same respect I give the rest of humanity. A person who does evil acts is sub-human as they do not act in a humane nature.

I still have no desire to hurt those I consider "subhuman". But I do feel apathy when something bad happens to them.
 
2013-03-18 05:29:38 PM

Great Janitor: I'm going to disagree with you. I've known several people who were into the whole bondage and S and M thing. They were normal, healthy people who got off on either being tortured or being the one who tortures. You don't approve of it so you have the opinion that it's not civilized. The fact that it's done behind closed doors between consenting adults proves otherwise.


Note the bolded parts. That is not torture. Real torture is inflicting pain on an unwilling and non-consenting person. Just as rape play is not real rape, BSDM is not real torture.


Yes.  Again, if we didn't like torture, the horror movie genre wouldn't be as popular as it is.

No, WE don't, some do.

I find it.....interesting....that torture porn reached very high popularity at about the same time Iraq and Afghanistan torture was exposed and debated. Hmmmm.....it's almost as if one fed on the other.


Evil is in action, not in thought.  The moment we start to say that X fantasy is evil and needs to be fought leads to thought crimes.

Are you honestly saying that there are not evil thoughts? You don't think this guy thought about raping someone before he actually did it? First comes the fantasies, then comes the acts.
Don't get silly with the slippery slope thing, I am speaking philosophically, not legally. No one is saying if you fantasize about this guy getting prison raped you should be arrested, I'm saying you sure as hell ain't civilized, nor truly moral.
 
2013-03-18 05:35:41 PM
 
2013-03-18 05:38:55 PM

FarkinHostile: Yes. Again, if we didn't like torture, the horror movie genre wouldn't be as popular as it is.

No, WE don't, some do.

I find it.....interesting....that torture porn reached very high popularity at about the same time Iraq and Afghanistan torture was exposed and debated. Hmmmm.....it's almost as if one fed on the other.


There is also an argument that can be made for people who are living lives so bad, that they want and need to see something horrific to feel a little better about their realities.  I speak for myself here, but when my life was bad - I mean, drink two bottles of wine a night until I passed out and hope to not have to wake up in the morning because the emotional and mental abuse I suffered daily was so bad, and I saw no other way out" bad - I watched horror movies like they were going out of style. The more farked up, the better.  If people said it was just awful and unwatchable and horrific, it was the next thing I sought out.

...and then I got out of my situation. Moved. Cleared my head a little. Started dating one of my best friends and got to a happier place.  I honestly have not sat down to a horror movie in ages. I have watched a few on TV when flipping channels - classic stuff like "Halloween" or "Friday the 13th" but there has been nothing making me say "man, can someone PLEASE make 'the Human Centipede part 3'? or "when is the director of "Serbian Film" going to wow us with something new?"  And that's probably a good thing.  But I'd also argue that the really screwy Japanese and European movies I watched during that time gave me some good escape routes for my brain from my life at the time.  Just like, when in the midst of all of this, I would do anything, including working from home, to watch "Special Victims Unit." In a similar way, I <em>needed</em> to see the bad guys put away because I wasn't getting justice in my own life and was being taunted by what happened to me, daily.  It was damned near pathological. how badly I thought I <em>needed</em> that show for that time period.

I'm glad I came out the other side, but there can be some good applications of these sorts of escapes, which is really what all film and television (porn included) are.
 
2013-03-18 05:39:18 PM
I'm more surprised that people think it's normal to fantasize about torture.  I have never fantasized about torturing someone.  I can't even think of a reason why I would.  It doesn't even make any sense to me.
 
2013-03-18 05:41:05 PM
Even if this guy is put in protective segragation he still gonna have a tough time. The taunting from near by cells and constant yelling will literally drive this guy insane. Saw it happen once when I had to spend the night in drunk tank. They just threw some meat to the dogs is all.
 
2013-03-18 05:44:41 PM
Re: 100 gigs of CP.

From the story I read earlier, he had 100 gig of porn, but was only being charged for a couple clearly underage images.

He might have just been downloading in bulk, and hording porn, then got nailed over .0001% of the files being illegal.
 
2013-03-18 05:46:29 PM
I want to see another pic of him. Because the one we have here looks like he should be given a blue ribbon for being able to tie his shoe,
 
2013-03-18 05:46:45 PM
Lollipop165:

There's problems with your argument.

#1 - Never once in this thread did I fantasize about hurting him. I'm in the apathetic cart.



Fine, but many here are, and IMNHO, if you were to just not care if he is tortured you are on the wrong path and share in the guilt. Again, all it takes is doing nothing for evil to flourish.


#2 - I'm not arguing "Methinks the Lady doth protest too much". I'm arguing that your perception of the reason why people don't do horrific acts says more about your personal understanding of humanity and therefore yourself than it does of any actuality. Your understanding of humanity is that people don't do bad acts only because we fear of being punished. Therefore we are all on the same boat - the murder with Mother Theresa with you and with me - our rages and murderous urges on kept on the inside by a society that is "civilizing" us. As your argument goes.

You are actually pretty spot on. I do not think humans are inherently "good", and many of our "drives" cause us to act in "Evil" ways. And yes, I do believe the vast majority don't do bad acts only because we fear of being punished. Thus, the whole hell thing, prison, ect. Dro also had a good point, but I don't think there are too many truly good people, as many as there are truly bad people, most are just...people.


My understanding of humanity is we don't do bad acts because it is not in our natures to hurt other people - we are the builders of society, not the product of it -  which is why someone who brutally kills and rapes I no longer consider as worthy of the same respect I give the rest of humanity.

Being a civilized person is not about respect for him, it's about respect for YOU. If all it takes is for someone to do something wrong for us to abandon our principals, well, we never really had any.


A person who does evil acts is sub-human as they do not act in a humane nature.

NO.

You know who else used the "Sub-human" technique?

I still have no desire to hurt those I consider "subhuman". But I do feel apathy when something bad happens to them.

Fine, and I do understand. I don't have much sympathy myself, to be honest. BUT! I still absolutely oppose torture, rape, and anyone advocating/fantasizing them for anyone, regardless of how "Sub-human" they are.

I may not respect him, but I'll sure as hell respect myself.
 
2013-03-18 05:47:18 PM

FarkinHostile: Great Janitor: I'm going to disagree with you. I've known several people who were into the whole bondage and S and M thing. They were normal, healthy people who got off on either being tortured or being the one who tortures. You don't approve of it so you have the opinion that it's not civilized. The fact that it's done behind closed doors between consenting adults proves otherwise.

Note the bolded parts. That is not torture. Real torture is inflicting pain on an unwilling and non-consenting person. Just as rape play is not real rape, BSDM is not real torture.


Yes.  Again, if we didn't like torture, the horror movie genre wouldn't be as popular as it is.

No, WE don't, some do.

I find it.....interesting....that torture porn reached very high popularity at about the same time Iraq and Afghanistan torture was exposed and debated. Hmmmm.....it's almost as if one fed on the other.


Evil is in action, not in thought.  The moment we start to say that X fantasy is evil and needs to be fought leads to thought crimes.

Are you honestly saying that there are not evil thoughts? You don't think this guy thought about raping someone before he actually did it? First comes the fantasies, then comes the acts.
Don't get silly with the slippery slope thing, I am speaking philosophically, not legally. No one is saying if you fantasize about this guy getting prison raped you should be arrested, I'm saying you sure as hell ain't civilized, nor truly moral.


Once again, for the idiots.  The fact that you don't act out evil thoughts is what makes you civilized and moral.  See, when you actually think about things, lots of farked up things come into your head.  The human brain is weird like that. Or are you saying that the only way to be civilized is to have no "impure" thoughts, ever?

/you should try it sometime
//thinking. It's fun.
 
2013-03-18 05:47:23 PM

serpent_sky: This text is now purple: Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.

I sort of agree, because you're right and nobody is going to be hurt by what someone beats off to in their house.

BUT... if they are looking for kiddie porn, they help create the market for it, and children are hurt by kiddie porn.


Which kids?

Are there no laws against the exploitation of children? Are children defenseless against rape in our society? Can we not deal with this problem at the level of actual harm, as opposed to that of hypothetical harm?

Or must we postulate what tempts men in their own hearts? Because I suspect we all have some monster to hide, in the eyes of some hypothetical zealot.
 
2013-03-18 05:47:48 PM
Damnit, UK journalism SUCKS:

He had been previously charged with having child pornography cut an electronic monitoring device off his ankle before carjacking a woman, fatally stabbing her and raping her 10-year-old daughter.

Commas. They're needed.

Renz abducted the school librarian and her daughter as they left a gymnastics class at a mall in the Syracuse suburb of Clay, about 150 miles west of Albany, on Thursday night.

Whatever happened to calling the accused a "suspect"? Say what you will about American Journalism, at least we do that.
 
2013-03-18 05:48:01 PM

nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.


I understand this, but despite my own cynicism regarding the police, it's just as likely that he did it to himself. A few years ago, police in our fair city settled a massive brutality lawsuit. I don't know the details, but the size of the settlement, something like $400,000, appeared in all the media. Suddenly, the unruly drunks they were scooping out of the gutters were plowing themselves face-first into brick walls in the hopes of winning the cop lottery.

I can certainly see someone whose frontal lobes aren't doing the job deciding that, in the absence of all other avenues of avoidance, indulging in a little self-mutilation might at least prove enough of a hassle to be considered "revenge."
 
2013-03-18 05:50:37 PM
Ned Stark: Right now it is ambiguously illegal, but no one has been charged for having drawings without also being caught with actual child porn.

In one case I remember it was a previous offender who had been convicted of stuff involving real child porn who was caught Photoshopping adult sex pictures to make one of the parties look like little kids.  He was also convicted, but more of a parole violation.

I imagine that purveyors of *solely* drawn porn aren't high enough on the target list to be pulled in.  Basically, prosecutors KNOW it'd be a nightmare and don't want to bother as long as they have real CP collectors that are comparatively easy cases.
 
2013-03-18 05:51:13 PM

Tak the Hideous New Girl: As far as I'm concerned, they are worse than lepers


What's so bad about lepers?

I mean, socially. Why being a leper would be bad for you, personally, is obvious.
 
2013-03-18 05:53:53 PM

Tak the Hideous New Girl: This text is now purple: Tak the Hideous New Girl: Do you really want to employ, work with, live next door to, be friends with or interact in any way with a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped? I certainly don't and I don't think that that makes me a bad person.

Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.

So you approve of the rape and abuse of children as long as it doesn't affect you personally?

You are vile person.


Nice strawman.

The situation is the social ostracision of a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped. I see no requirement for actual children being involved, considering animation or simulation are often sufficient in the eyes of the law for conviction. What's at issue is the concept, not the execution.
 
2013-03-18 05:54:18 PM
andychrist420:

Once again, for the idiots.  The fact that you don't act out evil thoughts is what makes you civilized and moral.  See, when you actually think about things, lots of farked up things come into your head.  The human brain is weird like that. Or are you saying that the only way to be civilized is to have no "impure" thoughts, ever?

/you should try it sometime
//thinking. It's fun.


Wow, look at this smug prick.  And he's trying to be funny too.
 
2013-03-18 05:55:14 PM

andychrist420: kg2095: nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.

Exactly. It indicates a corrupt police force. The sooner they start testing wannabe cops for psychopathy the better.

You'd sound a lot smarter if you RTFA.


Indeed I would. One is an idiot, what,what?
 
2013-03-18 05:55:53 PM

peasandcarrots: nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.

I understand this, but despite my own cynicism regarding the police, it's just as likely that he did it to himself.


This is why you leave the cameras in the "on" position.
 
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