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(Daily Mail)   Police unsure how a convicted sex offender, who was taken into custody after being charged with murdering a woman and raping her ten year old daughter, could show up to his first hearing with a broken nose   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 329
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2013-03-18 04:16:26 PM  
I have written a script that parses each cop thread, death penalty thread, and child abuse thread and collates each poster by commonality and original comment, so they can easily be compared. I'm working on an algorithm to weight sentiment by people that hate cops, hate the death penalty, and yet also approve of torturing accused criminals.

Soon, I will be able and ready to confront you all with the contents of your own souls, and you will not be amused. You will be terrified by the abyss within ourselves
 
2013-03-18 04:16:28 PM  
The whole point is not what this guy is accused/convicted of.  It's that we don't want cops/inmates to become some sort of pseudo court where one is tried and convicted by the mere accusation( or even worse rumor mill).

Keep in mind that people are wrongly accused all of the time (I highly doubt this guy is anything but 100% guilty, and vile).
 
m00
2013-03-18 04:18:25 PM  

Tak the Hideous New Girl: Do you really want to employ, work with, live next door to, be friends with or interact in any way with a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped? I certainly don't and I don't think that that makes me a bad person.


Unless you execute them, they have to live and work somewhere. If they're a danger, don't let them out. But if you let them out, don't treat them like lepers. It's not helping. I believe after someone serves out their court-appointed time, they deserve to be free.

Also... I guarantee you that you already work with / live next door to / interact with people that do all sorts of sick stuff in private with their door closed that you would disapprove of, if you knew about.
 
2013-03-18 04:18:37 PM  

nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.


RTFA much? This was inmate "justice".
 
2013-03-18 04:19:00 PM  

whistleridge: maggoo: A civilized society recognizes that even despicable criminals have rights.  Just because no one will actually give a damn about this guy, it doesn't mean it is acceptable to have convicts torturing other convicts.

Unless you are ok not living in a civilized society.

I came to say this. Very well put.


Okay, there are at least three sane people in there that give a shiat about the rules.

[john_goodman.jpg]
 
2013-03-18 04:19:53 PM  

Lollipop165: whistleridge: maggoo: A civilized society recognizes that even despicable criminals have rights.  Just because no one will actually give a damn about this guy, it doesn't mean it is acceptable to have convicts torturing other convicts.

Unless you are ok not living in a civilized society.

I came to say this. Very well put.

I hate that excuse. That's YOUR version of a civilized society.

I don't particularly care if he is tortured, so long as he is proved guilty first. He's no longer a part of society nor the benefits of it; he gave up those rights when he killed/raped out of cold blood.

/wrongful conviction is really the only reason I'm anti-death penalty


So you would be satisfied if someone was convicted and then tortured...what happens if they were wrongly convicted? You're still happy with the torture part?
 
2013-03-18 04:20:05 PM  

willfullyobscure: Soon, I will be able and ready to confront you all with the contents of your own souls, and you will not be amused. You will be terrified by the abyss within ourselves


Tell me, do you read Sutter Cane
 
2013-03-18 04:20:21 PM  

andychrist420: They can, and sometimes do. What makes them civilized is that they do not actually do it. They're called fantasies for a reason.



No, they don't. The only reason they don't act on it is self interest because they don't want to get punished and under the right circumstances would act out those fantasies.

Just like he did.
 
m00
2013-03-18 04:21:13 PM  

Warlordtrooper: The sad part is that this statement was done without any sense of Irony by Great Janitor.  Saying rape is a horrible crime that nobody deserves then wishing it upon somebody.  But of course the Internet tough guys have to have their blood lust filled.


We also apparently live in a world where the mere accusation by police by a crime = you are 100% guilty, and deserved be raped to death by convicts.
 
2013-03-18 04:21:38 PM  

FarkinHostile: andychrist420: So thinking about something is the same as actually doing it? I've thought about a lot of illegal things, but I've never done them. Probably because I'm a sane, rational human being. But I'm no better than a murderer? By your logic, 90% of Fark commenters should be locked up.

My whole thing about these threads is the rape/torture fantasies that so many people come in here and post, and somehow think of themselves as good people because the people they want raped/tortured were bad people. Well, I got news for you, when you want someone, anyone to be raped and tortured, you are NOT a good person. You are indulging in a horrible, base thought process, just like the maggot who did this crime, and are staring into the abyss.

Civilized people don't want/fantasize about torture/rape. Period.


If that were true, then horror movies wouldn't be so successful.  Movies like 'Human Centipede' and 'Saw' would have been bombs.  There wouldn't be an entire fetish section of the porn industry dedicated for BDSM, torture and rape fantasies.

Humans do like torture.  We like to watch a movie and see the big bad get beaten badly to the point of broken bones and blood everywhere before he finally dies.  To say that civilized people don't enjoy torture or fantasize about it is wrong.  Everyone does at some point.  Some are brave enough to admit it, others think about it and never admit to it.  And there is nothing wrong with it.  To have your boss be a pain in the ass to you for a week or more and then fantasize about torturing him or her in many ways is a healthy release and is natural.
 
2013-03-18 04:22:22 PM  

andychrist420: nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.

It happened in jail.  Other inmates do not look kindly on "chomos"  Bottom of the totem pole.  He's lucky they didn't kill him.

/soon


was my thought.  STPD prolly trying to save the state a few bucks wishing the holding tank would finish it.  Half way through the night, someone got scared they would.
You know that's the story.  Someone will be on "Paid Administrative Leave" for a month or two and that's it.
NOW there's gonna be a trial with all the trimmings.  Court appointed was likely out getting drunk because someone had called him before the official call.
Yeah, lived in Syracuse.  Don't remember anything like this though just remember all that FARKIN' SNOW.
 
2013-03-18 04:22:35 PM  

m00: Photos of Renz, too, are being withheld for fearthey could 'pollute the investigation,' New York State Police Captain Mark Lincoln said in a Friday morning press conference.

...yeah about that...

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423]
Suspect: David Renz, 29, has been charged with murder, rape and kidnapping in connection to a deadly carjacking or a woman and her daughter


That was his high school yearbook photo
 
2013-03-18 04:23:48 PM  

m00: Warlordtrooper: The sad part is that this statement was done without any sense of Irony by Great Janitor.  Saying rape is a horrible crime that nobody deserves then wishing it upon somebody.  But of course the Internet tough guys have to have their blood lust filled.

We also apparently live in a world where the mere accusation by police by a crime = you are 100% guilty, and deserved be raped to death by convicts.


Where is there even the slightest chance that he is innocent???
 
2013-03-18 04:24:09 PM  

m00: Unless you execute them, they have to live and work somewhere. If they're a danger, don't let them out. But if you let them out, don't treat them like lepers. It's not helping. I believe after someone serves out their court-appointed time, they deserve to be free.


That's the thing. If they cannot be rehabilitated in any way and have to be on a list that ostracizes them from society forever, WHY ARE THEY LETTING THEM OUT? If the odds are so great that they will offend again, and there is little, if anything, we can do about it and they are a clear danger to society, then they should be locked up for life and that's it.

No, I do not want to live next to a child molester or a rapist.  At the same time, I also don't want to live next to someone who killed his last neighbors (prior to prison). Or someone who has broken into a bunch of homes in his lifetime. Or someone who abuses and kills cats. Or really, next to anyone who has committed major crimes.  But if they did their time and are safe to be back on the streets (which is the idea of prison, right? Rehabilitation?) then they deserve as much of a chance as anyone else does.

I think rape is the worst thing anyone can possibly do. If they are very likely to reoffend, keep them locked up for life where they can't hurt anyone. If they're not likely to do so, give them a shot at something of a normal life post-prison.
 
2013-03-18 04:24:10 PM  
This guy wasn't raped. He was roughed up a bit. And not all that badly, really. Now that may be entirely because of his alleged crime. But it also could've been because he looked funny. Jail inmates tend to be a bit hot tempered, and don't need much of an excuse to fark someone up. They call it Reckless Eyeballing: "He looked at me so I had to kick his ass. Totally his fault."

If this had been a kiddie diddler beat down, I suspect he'd be worse off than a broken nose.
 
2013-03-18 04:24:12 PM  

willfullyobscure: I have written a script that parses each cop thread, death penalty thread, and child abuse thread and collates each poster by commonality and original comment, so they can easily be compared. I'm working on an algorithm to weight sentiment by people that hate cops, hate the death penalty, and yet also approve of torturing accused criminals.

Soon, I will be able and ready to confront you all with the contents of your own souls, and you will not be amused. You will be terrified by the abyss within ourselves


Are you a computational linguist?
 
2013-03-18 04:24:15 PM  

willfullyobscure: I have written a script that parses each cop thread, death penalty thread, and child abuse thread and collates each poster by commonality and original comment, so they can easily be compared. I'm working on an algorithm to weight sentiment by people that hate cops, hate the death penalty, and yet also approve of torturing accused criminals.

Soon, I will be able and ready to confront you all with the contents of your own souls, and you will not be amused. You will be terrified by the abyss within ourselves


You need a better hobby.
 
2013-03-18 04:25:24 PM  

Warlordtrooper: He lost his job at a supermarket, moved in with his mother and hadn't been able to find other work after his arrest, according to court documents.


So can we actually have an honest discussion about the unintended consequences of things like sex offender registries and how it can lead to more crime or should I just surrender to the fact that I'll be called a rape apologists for bringing up flaws in the system.


WHY DO YOU LIKE IT WHEN WOMEN ARE RAPED!?!?!

I see your point. I'd like to extend that point and add that we need to either reform what we consider to be a felony. Its the mark of the beast for most employers. They shouldn't be so easy to get.
 
2013-03-18 04:25:32 PM  

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Tell me, do you read Sutter Cane


This is not reality.... NOT REALITY!

/ this is reality.
 
2013-03-18 04:26:01 PM  

andychrist420: FarkinHostile: Lollipop165: I disagree. I have no desire to hurt this man nor for him to feel pain. Its just that I am apathetic to his situation. I lack empathy for him because in my opinion, he's turned in his human card.

Far different than bloodlust fantasies.


A lack of empathy is a sign of a sociopath. A lack of empathy is why he raped a little girl and killed a woman. A lack of empathy is the path to evil, and all it takes for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing.

 'Yanks_RSJ: No, I'm pretty sure I'm better than someone who has committed a murder and raped a 10-year-old. Despite your objection.


You are as moral as he is, you just don't have the right opportunity to  act on it. But keep going over in your head about him being brutally raped and tortured in prison. Maybe you'll get lucky and have a chance to act out your fantasies someday.

It's time to play...  Idiot or Troll?


Consider third option "insane".
 
2013-03-18 04:27:28 PM  
Did they get the right guy?
 
2013-03-18 04:27:32 PM  

Great Janitor: Humans do like torture. We like to watch a movie and see the big bad get beaten badly to the point of broken bones and blood everywhere before he finally dies. To say that civilized people don't enjoy torture or fantasize about it is wrong. Everyone does at some point. Some are brave enough to admit it, others think about it and never admit to it. And there is nothing wrong with it. To have your boss be a pain in the ass to you for a week or more and then fantasize about torturing him or her in many ways is a healthy release and is natural.


This line of discussion is well fine and good, but the minute someone brings up that one movie of which we do not speak of that has a babby, I swear to god they are going to get pistol whipped
 
2013-03-18 04:30:46 PM  

FarkinHostile: andychrist420: They can, and sometimes do. What makes them civilized is that they do not actually do it. They're called fantasies for a reason.


No, they don't. The only reason they don't act on it is self interest because they don't want to get punished and under the right circumstances would act out those fantasies.

Just like he did.


Most civilized people also have something called a conscience, and a sense of right and wrong.  I'll repeat, they're called fantasies for a reason.
 
2013-03-18 04:32:07 PM  
May know something about how the chap's nose got that way...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-18 04:32:27 PM  
www.twominuteshate.com
 
2013-03-18 04:32:39 PM  
It's amazing that there are some people on Fark who think we should have some sympathy for a guy that killed a woman and raped her 10-ten old daughter, and have no concern at all for the victims.  Note that not one of the persons crying over this scumbag have said a peep about his victims.
 
2013-03-18 04:35:01 PM  

Jae0o0: NOT how I expected the guy to look at all. Wow.


He looks like Marilyn Manson without makeup.
 
2013-03-18 04:35:23 PM  

Great Janitor: nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.

According to TFA, it wasn't the police who did it, it was apparently fellow prisoners.  Though there does seem to be an issue with them allowing him into the public holding cell.

He raped a girl and murdered her mother.  Don't guard this farker, don't put any effort into protecting him.  Let his fellow inmates bound him and rape him as he did to his victim.  That's the least he deserves.


ONCE CONVICTED
 
2013-03-18 04:35:38 PM  

Great Janitor: If that were true, then horror movies wouldn't be so successful. Movies like 'Human Centipede' and 'Saw' would have been bombs. There wouldn't be an entire fetish section of the porn industry dedicated for BDSM, torture and rape fantasies.



Guess what? The popularity of such garbage doesn't make it civilized, it shows how uncivilized "we" actually are. Sure like to think highly of ourselves, though.

Humans do like torture.

No.

We like to watch a movie and see the big bad get beaten badly to the point of broken bones and blood everywhere before he finally dies. To say that civilized people don't enjoy torture or fantasize about it is wrong.

Again, that exposes how base many of us really are, and is not a affirmation of our civility.

Everyone does at some point. Some are brave enough to admit it, others think about it and never admit to it. And there is nothing wrong with it.


Sure, I've had fantasies of doing bad shiat to people, but I REJECT them, I do not indulge them, and I certainly don't try to justify them. That human capacity for evil is something we need to fight, not encourage.


To have your boss be a pain in the ass to you for a week or more and then fantasize about torturing him or her in many ways is a healthy release and is natural.

Please. Punch in the face, sure, but torture in many ways? No, not healthy. If you need to fantasize about farking torturing your boss to blow off steam, you need to find a new job. As farked up as I am I have never fantasized about methodically inflicting horrible pain on someone. Punch them out? Yup. Torture/rape? No.
 
m00
2013-03-18 04:35:58 PM  

Great Janitor: m00: Warlordtrooper: The sad part is that this statement was done without any sense of Irony by Great Janitor.  Saying rape is a horrible crime that nobody deserves then wishing it upon somebody.  But of course the Internet tough guys have to have their blood lust filled.

We also apparently live in a world where the mere accusation by police by a crime = you are 100% guilty, and deserved be raped to death by convicts.

Where is there even the slightest chance that he is innocent???


Um, we have a judicial system with the premise of "innocent until proven guilty in a court of law." Not "innocent, unless we reeeeeeally think he did it, then it's okay to skip the trial and go right to the ritual rape punishment"
 
2013-03-18 04:36:11 PM  

FarkinHostile: andychrist420: They can, and sometimes do. What makes them civilized is that they do not actually do it. They're called fantasies for a reason.


No, they don't. The only reason they don't act on it is self interest because they don't want to get punished and under the right circumstances would act out those fantasies.

Just like he did.


Just curious.  When did you realize you were omniscient?
 
2013-03-18 04:36:16 PM  
How the arresting LEOs did not just take him deeper into the woods (one way) is amazing to me.
That's why they do that job and not me.

If not for the 'wrongfully convicted' arguement, I'd be for swift execution of all violent sex offenders and/or murderers.

Let's not be meek at have our inmates do our dirty work. Let's also not keep allowing the all too often story of "guy does sex crime, gets set free, does something worse"
Society needs to attempt something new to rid ourselves of this issue. Almost anything would be way farking better than what we're doing about it now.
 
2013-03-18 04:36:47 PM  
**Post-script to my post**:

YMMV

/and it was SO tough typing that and keeping a straight face....

//as the father of a ten year old girl, I say the f*cker should burn
 
2013-03-18 04:37:18 PM  

Amusement: Consider third option "insane".


Mmmmm. The guy speaking out against torture and rape is the insane one.

You're closer to the mark then the others, but not for the reason you think.
 
2013-03-18 04:37:31 PM  
Gotta love Fark.  Where murdering child molesters are held in higher regard than cops.
 
2013-03-18 04:38:47 PM  
I think he should fall a little more in the jail cell.  Gravity, it has a tendency to sting, with it's fists and all.
 
2013-03-18 04:38:48 PM  

CheekyMonkey: Just curious. When did you realize you were omniscient?



Right after I ate those mushrooms.
 
2013-03-18 04:39:54 PM  
FTA:  'I have a broken nose,' he told his lawyer, according to The Post-Standard in Syracus.


/Clearly this wasn't obvious to his lawyer at first look.
 
das
2013-03-18 04:40:21 PM  
Boats.
 
2013-03-18 04:40:36 PM  

Tak the Hideous New Girl: Do you really want to employ, work with, live next door to, be friends with or interact in any way with a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped? I certainly don't and I don't think that that makes me a bad person.


Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.
 
2013-03-18 04:43:53 PM  

FarkinHostile: Amusement: Consider third option "insane".

Mmmmm. The guy speaking out against torture and rape is the insane one.

You're closer to the mark then the others, but not for the reason you think.


No, it really seems like you are the one who is suppressing the urges, as you assume that "The only reason they don't act on it is self interest because they don't want to get punished and under the right circumstances would act out those fantasies".

I exceedingly doubt anyone of these farkers who say "Meh, he got what he deserves" would actively try to hurt someone even out of vengeance. But your assumptions about other people's motives tell me far more about what's going on in FarkinHostile's mind if that is your understanding of humanity.
 
2013-03-18 04:44:09 PM  

andychrist420: FarkinHostile: andychrist420: They can, and sometimes do. What makes them civilized is that they do not actually do it. They're called fantasies for a reason.


No, they don't. The only reason they don't act on it is self interest because they don't want to get punished and under the right circumstances would act out those fantasies.

Just like he did.

Most civilized people also have something called a conscience, and a sense of right and wrong.  I'll repeat, they're called fantasies for a reason.


I think we can all agree that you're both wrong...to think that there is only one reason why different people do not act out their fantasies. There are different levels of thinking. Some people may abstain because they do not want to be punished by some authority like a boss, or a police officer. Some abstain because they feel that they will have to answer to a higher power. Some actually have compassion and do not want to hurt anyone. There are many reasons why people choose to do things.
 
2013-03-18 04:45:26 PM  

FarkinHostile: Lollipop165: I disagree. I have no desire to hurt this man nor for him to feel pain. Its just that I am apathetic to his situation. I lack empathy for him because in my opinion, he's turned in his human card.

Far different than bloodlust fantasies.


A lack of empathy is a sign of a sociopath. A lack of empathy is why he raped a little girl and killed a woman. A lack of empathy is the path to evil, and all it takes for evil to flourish is for good people to do nothing.


A generalised and widespread lack of empathy, yes. A specific lack of empathy for a particular person as a result of their actions is not. The difference is the word `because`. It`s like depression. If you are just depressed whatever happens then you are clinically depressed, if you are depressed because your wife left you or your mother died, that is normal. Lollipop has a lack of empathy SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS GUY BECAUSE the guy seems to be a total waste of protoplasm. If lollipop just suffered from a lack of empathy for ANYONE then you would be correct to attribute the collapse of society to them.

But that is not the case. You are projecting or a troll but correct is not something you are.
 
2013-03-18 04:47:14 PM  

kendelrio: **Post-script to my post**:

YMMV

/and it was SO tough typing that and keeping a straight face....

//as the father of a ten year old girl, I say the f*cker should burn


ONCE CONVICTED
 
2013-03-18 04:47:45 PM  

This text is now purple: Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.


I sort of agree, because you're right and nobody is going to be hurt by what someone beats off to in their house.

BUT... if they are looking for kiddie porn, they help create the market for it, and children are hurt by kiddie porn. Badly. So it's a strange line because no, nobody is being hurt by someone watching it. But there was a lot of hurt in the creation process of what they are watching and if there is a market for it, more people will be hurt in while people supply said market.
 
2013-03-18 04:47:46 PM  

This text is now purple: Tak the Hideous New Girl: Do you really want to employ, work with, live next door to, be friends with or interact in any way with a person who likes to beat off to children getting raped? I certainly don't and I don't think that that makes me a bad person.

Thing is, I don't care what you beat off to. So long as it stays there, it will never affect me.


So even though it creates demand for continued child exploitation, and child trafficking, youre ok with it as long as you aren't inconvenienced. How enlightened of you.
 
2013-03-18 04:49:17 PM  
he's a goner
rape a 10yo=death
 
2013-03-18 04:49:27 PM  

FarkinHostile: andychrist420: They can, and sometimes do. What makes them civilized is that they do not actually do it. They're called fantasies for a reason.


No, they don't. The only reason they don't act on it is self interest because they don't want to get punished and under the right circumstances would act out those fantasies.

Just like he did.


Just because you imagine it, it does not mean you will be able to act out upon it, even with no consequence afterwards. Like the internet tough guy theorem- Just because you say you're a tough guy, doesn't make it actually so.
 
2013-03-18 04:49:35 PM  

FarkinHostile: Great Janitor: If that were true, then horror movies wouldn't be so successful. Movies like 'Human Centipede' and 'Saw' would have been bombs. There wouldn't be an entire fetish section of the porn industry dedicated for BDSM, torture and rape fantasies.


Guess what? The popularity of such garbage doesn't make it civilized, it shows how uncivilized "we" actually are. Sure like to think highly of ourselves, though.


I'm going to disagree with you.  I've known several people who were into the whole bondage and S and M thing.  They were normal, healthy people who got off on either being tortured or being the one who tortures.  You don't approve of it so you have the opinion that it's not civilized.  The fact that it's done behind closed doors between consenting adults proves otherwise.

Humans do like torture.

No.


Yes.  Again, if we didn't like torture, the horror movie genre wouldn't be as popular as it is.

We like to watch a movie and see the big bad get beaten badly to the point of broken bones and blood everywhere before he finally dies. To say that civilized people don't enjoy torture or fantasize about it is wrong.

Again, that exposes how base many of us really are, and is not a affirmation of our civility.


I have to disagree.  I believe that we can have movies like this, have them be as popular as they are, and NOT have a people all over the nation emulate what's seen in the movies shows that we are civilized to the point that we can have such movies but still lead normal lives.  

Everyone does at some point. Some are brave enough to admit it, others think about it and never admit to it. And there is nothing wrong with it.


Sure, I've had fantasies of doing bad shiat to people, but I REJECT them, I do not indulge them, and I certainly don't try to justify them. That human capacity for evil is something we need to fight, not encourage.


Evil is in action, not in thought.  The moment we start to say that X fantasy is evil and needs to be fought leads to thought crimes.  


To have your boss be a pain in the ass to you for a week or more and then fantasize about torturing him or her in many ways is a healthy release and is natural.

Please. Punch in the face, sure, but torture in many ways? No, not healthy. If you need to fantasize about farking torturing your boss to blow off steam, you need to find a new job. As farked up as I am I have never fantasized about methodically inflicting horrible pain on someone. Punch them out? Yup. Torture/rape? No.


I've had those thoughts, and quite honestly, I wasn't the only one who's had them.  My first job out of high school was a retail job with a bailer in the stockroom.  We had a co-manager who was such a dick that it was common place to wonder what it would be like to toss his fat ass into the bailer and what sounds would we hear as the press lowered onto him, and would we just run it and let it go, or stop it, pull it back and then restart it a few times.  It helped us get through the shiatty times he put us through.  And yes, we all eventually ended up leaving.  Some before he was fired, some after.
 
2013-03-18 04:50:07 PM  
Assuming this guy actually did what there seems to be pretty credible evidence that he did, I think it's really cute that people think there is any way in which "justice" could possibly be even remotely served in this case.  There is no possible universe in which a punishment determined by a civilized people could ever equal the horror inflicted upon that woman and her daughter.

The best part is that no matter how much this story bothers you, worse things are inflicted by humans on other humans the world over, every day. All day.

This happy thought brought to you by the fact that humans suck.
 
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