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(Daily Mail)   Police unsure how a convicted sex offender, who was taken into custody after being charged with murdering a woman and raping her ten year old daughter, could show up to his first hearing with a broken nose   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 329
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2013-03-18 03:18:26 PM

maggoo: A civilized society recognizes that even despicable criminals have rights.  Just because no one will actually give a damn about this guy, it doesn't mean it is acceptable to have convicts torturing other convicts.

Unless you are ok not living in a civilized society.


I don't live in jail. I'm OK with it not being that civilized. QQ more for the kiddy diddler/killer
 
2013-03-18 03:18:33 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Damn man, I wonder if getting his child pron mainline cut off is what drove this episode.


I think it had more to do with his inability to find employement because of the "OMG won't somebody think of the children mass hysteria that has gripped this country"
 
2013-03-18 03:18:59 PM

Great Janitor: Master Sphincter: he will claim insanity and get it.

The common myth is that an insanity plea will get you off.  The reality, however, is that an insanity plea just sends you to a mental ward, a place that can actually be worse than prison.


Insanity pleas are entered in about 1% of felony cases and succeed about 25% of the time.
 
2013-03-18 03:19:27 PM

DerPups: for those that DRTFA, the 5-0 didn't do it, the general pop did...


We can't be bothered with all of your fancy reading, we have opinions and the world needs to know(Fark that perv, they'll finish him off in General Population after his conviction
 
2013-03-18 03:20:29 PM

Warlordtrooper: HotWingConspiracy: Damn man, I wonder if getting his child pron mainline cut off is what drove this episode.

I think it had more to do with his inability to find employement because of the "OMG won't somebody think of the children mass hysteria that has gripped this country"


Well yes, idle hands are the devil's playground and all that.

Though I tend to just smoke more weed when I'm idle, not rape children.
 
2013-03-18 03:20:31 PM
That dude won't last 10 minutes at a penitentiary.
 
2013-03-18 03:20:55 PM
I think we should put him back in gen pop and see if the other prisoners have learned their lesson.
 
2013-03-18 03:21:40 PM

Warlordtrooper: He lost his job at a supermarket, moved in with his mother and hadn't been able to find other work after his arrest, according to court documents.


So can we actually have an honest discussion about the unintended consequences of things like sex offender registries and how it can lead to more crime or should I just surrender to the fact that I'll be called a rape apologists for bringing up flaws in the system.


I don't think it's a problem that exists just to those on the sex offender list.  But part of a bigger problem.  I have a neighbor who is a convicted felon for possession of pot.  That's his only crime.  He hasn't had a job since the conviction because employers don't want to hire felons.

Things like felonies and registration lists manage to continually punish people long after they've served their time, and either abolish the lists or say that a person who's committed a crime on X nature must forever be in prison.  Not this bullshiat half way punishment of "You're free, but you have to remain on a list and subject to visitations, not being able to live in certain areas, etc, etc, etc..."
 
2013-03-18 03:21:59 PM
They arrested Herbert Kornfeld from the Onion??

o.onionstatic.com i.dailymail.co.uk

(Keep your S off his desk!!!   http://www.theonion.com/articles/keep-your-farking-shiat-off-my-desk,1 6 508/
 
2013-03-18 03:22:34 PM

Digitalstrange: I don't live in jail. I'm OK with it not being that civilized. QQ more for the kiddy diddler/killer


I think it's good that we have the taboo personally; it permits people who are naturally vicous to have an outlet upon which they can vent their viciousness and be socially lauded for it.
 
2013-03-18 03:23:03 PM

whistleridge: maggoo: A civilized society recognizes that even despicable criminals have rights.  Just because no one will actually give a damn about this guy, it doesn't mean it is acceptable to have convicts torturing other convicts.

Unless you are ok not living in a civilized society.

I came to say this. Very well put.


I hate that excuse. That's YOUR version of a civilized society.

I don't particularly care if he is tortured, so long as he is proved guilty first. He's no longer a part of society nor the benefits of it; he gave up those rights when he killed/raped out of cold blood.

/wrongful conviction is really the only reason I'm anti-death penalty
 
2013-03-18 03:23:09 PM

Digitalstrange: I don't live in jail. I'm OK with it not being that civilized. QQ more for the kiddy diddler/killer.


I find it curious how people in western democracies are ALL about due process and protection of rights, until someone goes to jail for something they personally don't care for, and then it's RELEASE THE RAPE TRAIN!!

Because no police officer, judge, jury, or DA has EVER gotten it wrong. There's just no question, so the extra-judicial punishment that is not just a violation of the law but is also a violation of their civil and human rights becomes not just acceptable, but desired, right?

/ unless it's YOU
 
2013-03-18 03:23:12 PM

Great Janitor: nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.

According to TFA, it wasn't the police who did it, it was apparently fellow prisoners.  Though there does seem to be an issue with them allowing him into the public holding cell.

He raped a girl and murdered her mother.  Don't guard this farker, don't put any effort into protecting him.  Let his fellow inmates bound him and rape him as he did to his victim.  That's the least he deserves.


The sad part is that this statement was done without any sense of Irony by Great Janitor.  Saying rape is a horrible crime that nobody deserves then wishing it upon somebody.  But of course the Internet tough guys have to have their blood lust filled.
 
2013-03-18 03:23:24 PM
Getting through that repetitive article was painful
 
2013-03-18 03:23:40 PM
I'm failing to see the problem here. He got a speedy trial before a jury of his peers, not so?

Whar the Constitutional question...WHAR!?
 
2013-03-18 03:24:05 PM
holy farking shiat, what a gutwrenching story.

/live outside syracuse, and somehow didn't hear about this
 
2013-03-18 03:24:06 PM

Jae0o0: NOT how I expected the guy to look at all. Wow.


Dude looks as though he was born with FAS.
 
2013-03-18 03:24:19 PM

pag1107: That dude won't last 10 minutes at a penitentiary.


I certainly hope so. A 10yo girl? I hope it's the most painful, degrading, miserable rape filled 10 minutes possible. Preferably also involving fire.
 
2013-03-18 03:24:24 PM

Warlordtrooper: He lost his job at a supermarket, moved in with his mother and hadn't been able to find other work after his arrest, according to court documents.


So can we actually have an honest discussion about the unintended consequences of things like sex offender registries and how it can lead to more crime or should I just surrender to the fact that I'll be called a rape apologists for bringing up flaws in the system.


I could get behind you on that if his latest crime had been a bank robbery or something of the sort, not murdering a woman and raping her daughter.  His not being able to find work should have no bearing on his inability to not kill and rape.
 
2013-03-18 03:25:36 PM
Hope he gets the Dahmer treatment.
 
2013-03-18 03:25:48 PM

Bonanza Jellybean: holy farking shiat, what a gutwrenching story.

/live outside syracuse, and somehow didn't hear about this


Don't believe everything you read on the internet.... especially from the Daily Mail.
 
2013-03-18 03:25:51 PM

Lollipop165: I hate that excuse. That's YOUR version of a civilized society.

I don't particularly care if he is tortured, so long as he is proved guilty first. He's no longer a part of society nor the benefits of it; he gave up those rights when he killed/raped out of cold blood.


Sigh....

Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.


"He who does battle with monsters needs to watch out lest he in the process become a monster himself. And if you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss will stare right back at you. "
 
2013-03-18 03:26:14 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-18 03:27:03 PM

Warlordtrooper: Great Janitor: nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.

According to TFA, it wasn't the police who did it, it was apparently fellow prisoners.  Though there does seem to be an issue with them allowing him into the public holding cell.

He raped a girl and murdered her mother.  Don't guard this farker, don't put any effort into protecting him.  Let his fellow inmates bound him and rape him as he did to his victim.  That's the least he deserves.

The sad part is that this statement was done without any sense of Irony by Great Janitor.  Saying rape is a horrible crime that nobody deserves then wishing it upon somebody.  But of course the Internet tough guys have to have their blood lust filled.


It's not blood lust on my part.  It's that he took two people, a mother and daughter, bound them both.  As the mother watched (I assume, but definitely within  ear shot) he raped the girl, then with the girl still in the car, he stabbed the mother.  How does this man deserve anything other than to have the same done to him?  Shouldn't he get the chance to experience what he put his victims through?
 
2013-03-18 03:27:12 PM

Lollipop165: I don't particularly care if he is tortured, so long as he is proved guilty first. He's no longer a part of society nor the benefits of it; he gave up those rights when he killed/raped out of cold blood.


In your realm, would the conviction of any crime result in a similar legal banishment, or only the more grievous crimes?

/ You were convicted of jaywalking... anyone may kill you with impunity!
 
2013-03-18 03:28:14 PM

Warlordtrooper: He lost his job at a supermarket, moved in with his mother and hadn't been able to find other work after his arrest, according to court documents.

So can we actually have an honest discussion about the unintended consequences of things like sex offender registries and how it can lead to more crime or should I just surrender to the fact that I'll be called a rape apologists for bringing up flaws in the system.


Yes we can, but it should be in the broader context of prisoner reform...not one sick dude no one in their right mind feels any sympathy for.
 
2013-03-18 03:28:26 PM
Is there a particular reason the article includes a picture of a guy pressing his face up against a pane of glass?
 
2013-03-18 03:28:45 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

So ronery.
 
2013-03-18 03:29:44 PM

nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.


It happened in jail.  Other inmates do not look kindly on "chomos"  Bottom of the totem pole.  He's lucky they didn't kill him.

/soon
 
2013-03-18 03:30:52 PM
i.dailymail.co.uk

sportsblogs.star-telegram.com

/nip it in the bud, ange
 
2013-03-18 03:30:54 PM

ChipNASA: I bet he doesn't last the month......


No inmate would go near that. Most likely end up dead in the back of the kitchen or something.
 
2013-03-18 03:30:56 PM

Caffandtranqs: Warlordtrooper: He lost his job at a supermarket, moved in with his mother and hadn't been able to find other work after his arrest, according to court documents.


So can we actually have an honest discussion about the unintended consequences of things like sex offender registries and how it can lead to more crime or should I just surrender to the fact that I'll be called a rape apologists for bringing up flaws in the system.

I could get behind you on that if his latest crime had been a bank robbery or something of the sort, not murdering a woman and raping her daughter.  His not being able to find work should have no bearing on his inability to not kill and rape.


If you push a person far enough they will do anything they have to.  I'm not saying that murder and rape is justified because its not.  But these people on these lists have no options.  They can't support themselves because they can't get a job  they have no friends and so they get pissed off and guess what they do.  They lash out back at the society that shuns them.  Its quite possible that if somebody had given this man a job, a 10 year old would have never been raped and her mother would still be alive.

Pretending a problem doesn't exists doesn't make it go away.  I'm interesting in fixing the problem not just ignoring it.

Great Janitor: It's not blood lust on my part.  It's that he took two people, a mother and daughter, bound them both.  As the mother watched (I assume, but definitely within  ear shot) he raped the girl, then with the girl still in the car, he stabbed the mother.  How does this man deserve anything other than to have the same done to him?  Shouldn't he get the chance to experience what he put his victims through?


That is not how justice works.  That is how vengeance works and there is a huge difference between the two.
 
2013-03-18 03:31:43 PM

maggoo: A civilized society recognizes that even despicable criminals have rights.  Just because no one will actually give a damn about this guy, it doesn't mean it is acceptable to have convicts torturing other convicts.

Unless you are ok not living in a civilized society.


I'm ok with it, Bucky.
 
2013-03-18 03:32:22 PM

FarkinHostile: Lollipop165: I hate that excuse. That's YOUR version of a civilized society.

I don't particularly care if he is tortured, so long as he is proved guilty first. He's no longer a part of society nor the benefits of it; he gave up those rights when he killed/raped out of cold blood.

Sigh....

Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.


"He who does battle with monsters needs to watch out lest he in the process become a monster himself. And if you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss will stare right back at you. "


"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory" - Da Vinci

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Lollipop165: I don't particularly care if he is tortured, so long as he is proved guilty first. He's no longer a part of society nor the benefits of it; he gave up those rights when he killed/raped out of cold blood.

In your realm, would the conviction of any crime result in a similar legal banishment, or only the more grievous crimes?

/ You were convicted of jaywalking... anyone may kill you with impunity!


Let's get off the slippery slope shall we? Jaywalking is not the same as carjacking someone with the intent of murdering a mother and raping a child.
 
2013-03-18 03:32:49 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: cig-mkr: So jail / prison isn't a nice place to be ?

People who have't been convicted should not be treated as if they have been found guilty.


Like that Zimmerman thing in Florida.???
 
2013-03-18 03:35:44 PM

Lollipop165: Let's get off the slippery slope shall we? Jaywalking is not the same as carjacking someone with the intent of murdering a mother and raping a child.


What if I just carjack someone but don't rape or kill anybody?  Could I then be hunted for sport in a coliseum by vigilantes riding panthers?
 
2013-03-18 03:35:55 PM
How do you catch a guy with 100GB of child porn on his computer, and then set him free on society?  fark that.  Put a bullet in his farking head.  If you wouldn't be willing to leave someone alone in a room with your kid, don't give them the opportunity to harm other children.
 
2013-03-18 03:36:02 PM

echomike23: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 306x423][img.youtube.com image 480x360]


omg that's creepy
 
2013-03-18 03:36:25 PM

Warlordtrooper: Caffandtranqs: Warlordtrooper: If you push a person far enough they will do anything they have to.  I'm not saying that murder and rape is justified because its not.  But these people on these lists have no options.  They can't support themselves because they can't get a job  they have no friends and so they get pissed off and guess what they do.  They lash out back at the society that shuns them.  Its quite possible that if somebody had given this man a job, a 10 year old would have never been raped and her mother would still be alive.

Pretending a problem doesn't exists doesn't make it go away.  I'm interesting in fixing the problem not just ignoring it.


The sex offender registry is a good example of our society's unwillingness to properly deal with mental health issues.  Hey, this guy wants to diddle kids, throw him on this list that publicly shames him.

You make a valid point but, to me, it seems to be part of a bigger problem.
 
2013-03-18 03:36:40 PM

Warlordtrooper: HotWingConspiracy: Damn man, I wonder if getting his child pron mainline cut off is what drove this episode.

I think it had more to do with his inability to find employement because of the "OMG won't somebody think of the children mass hysteria that has gripped this country"


Yeah, why wouldn't anyone want to hire this guy?

I am currently unemployed. I overeat and masturbate a lot. Never occurred to me to go out and rape little kids.
 
2013-03-18 03:36:58 PM

Great Janitor: The common myth is that an insanity plea will get you off. The reality, however, is that an insanity plea just sends you to a mental ward, a place that can actually be worse than prison.


Also, there is no set date where you can get out.  And since it's relatively difficult to even get a court to accept an insanity plea, the attorneys have to work hard to convince everyone their client is insane. As such, the sentence is often longer, or life.
 
2013-03-18 03:37:31 PM

Great Janitor: Warlordtrooper: Great Janitor: nmemkha: Deserved or not, its not advantageous to a free and fair society to allow the police to dispense arbitrary vigilante justice.

According to TFA, it wasn't the police who did it, it was apparently fellow prisoners.  Though there does seem to be an issue with them allowing him into the public holding cell.

He raped a girl and murdered her mother.  Don't guard this farker, don't put any effort into protecting him.  Let his fellow inmates bound him and rape him as he did to his victim.  That's the least he deserves.

The sad part is that this statement was done without any sense of Irony by Great Janitor.  Saying rape is a horrible crime that nobody deserves then wishing it upon somebody.  But of course the Internet tough guys have to have their blood lust filled.

It's not blood lust on my part.  It's that he took two people, a mother and daughter, bound them both.  As the mother watched (I assume, but definitely within  ear shot) he raped the girl, then with the girl still in the car, he stabbed the mother.  How does this man deserve anything other than to have the same done to him?  Shouldn't he get the chance to experience what he put his victims through?


Plenty of people deserve torture and unending horrors.

But who deserves to have a torturer in their mirror? Or even next door?
 
2013-03-18 03:37:42 PM

KingKauff: His face kept slamming into the cops fist


Not the cops. The other inmates.
 
2013-03-18 03:37:54 PM

maggoo: A civilized society recognizes that even despicable criminals have rights.  Just because no one will actually give a damn about this guy, it doesn't mean it is acceptable to have convicts torturing other convicts.

Unless you are ok not living in a civilized society.


He was in jail.  A place where they put people who have demonstrated an inability to follow the rules of a civilized society.  I'm fine living in a civilized society, but then again, I don't kill women and rape little girls.
 
2013-03-18 03:38:01 PM
Are they sure this had something to do with his arrest?  That it wasn't just the same beating he has received every day since he entered school, just for looking like that?
 
2013-03-18 03:38:41 PM

Warlordtrooper: Caffandtranqs: Warlordtrooper: He lost his job at a supermarket, moved in with his mother and hadn't been able to find other work after his arrest, according to court documents.


So can we actually have an honest discussion about the unintended consequences of things like sex offender registries and how it can lead to more crime or should I just surrender to the fact that I'll be called a rape apologists for bringing up flaws in the system.

I could get behind you on that if his latest crime had been a bank robbery or something of the sort, not murdering a woman and raping her daughter.  His not being able to find work should have no bearing on his inability to not kill and rape.

If you push a person far enough they will do anything they have to.  I'm not saying that murder and rape is justified because its not.  But these people on these lists have no options.  They can't support themselves because they can't get a job  they have no friends and so they get pissed off and guess what they do.  They lash out back at the society that shuns them.  Its quite possible that if somebody had given this man a job, a 10 year old would have never been raped and her mother would still be alive.

Pretending a problem doesn't exists doesn't make it go away.  I'm interesting in fixing the problem not just ignoring it.

Great Janitor: It's not blood lust on my part.  It's that he took two people, a mother and daughter, bound them both.  As the mother watched (I assume, but definitely within  ear shot) he raped the girl, then with the girl still in the car, he stabbed the mother.  How does this man deserve anything other than to have the same done to him?  Shouldn't he get the chance to experience what he put his victims through?

That is not how justice works.  That is how vengeance works and there is a huge difference between the two.


By that reasoning, it would have made more sense for the guy to go on a mass murdering spree if he was so pissed off at society.  He didn't.  He's a farking pedophile who broke his ankle bracelet off so he could go molest some kid.  He probably killed mom because she was standing in the way of him doing it.  There are insatiably sick predators in this world.  Accept it.
 
2013-03-18 03:38:43 PM

serpent_sky: Great Janitor: The common myth is that an insanity plea will get you off. The reality, however, is that an insanity plea just sends you to a mental ward, a place that can actually be worse than prison.

Also, there is no set date where you can get out.  And since it's relatively difficult to even get a court to accept an insanity plea, the attorneys have to work hard to convince everyone their client is insane. As such, the sentence is often longer, or life.


I was under the impression that the point of an insanity plea is that the only other option is life in jail, no parole. I could be totally wrong, but isn't that why Charlie Manson keeps on getting parole hearings? (of course no one will let him out but that's another story)
 
2013-03-18 03:39:24 PM

Digitalstrange: I am currently unemployed. I overeat and masturbate a lot. Never occurred to me to go out and rape little kids.


Get some *LUBE* my man........Oh......you said...."overeat"........I thought it said "OVERHEAT"........
/nevermind.
 
2013-03-18 03:39:58 PM

Caffandtranqs: I could get behind you on that if his latest crime had been a bank robbery or something of the sort, not murdering a woman and raping her daughter.


The word "allegedly" is important. Keep in mind, for this type of crime, he falls into the category of "usual suspects". He'd probably be arrested after that crime even if there was nothing else to tie him to the event besides his history.
 
2013-03-18 03:40:36 PM

Warlordtrooper: If you push a person far enough they will do anything they have to.  I'm not saying that murder and rape is justified because its not.  But these people on these lists have no options.  They can't support themselves because they can't get a job  they have no friends and so they get pissed off and guess what they do.  They lash out back at the society that shuns them.  Its quite possible that if somebody had given this man a job, a 10 year old would have never been raped and her mother would still be alive.


He wasn't on the lists yet. He got arrested for having over 100 gigs of child porn. THEN he lost his job. Then he murdered the mom, and raped the girl.

You know, I can understand that some of the people on the list get screwed because of it, but this guy's a monster.
As a parent, I don't want him tortured. I just want him dead.
 
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