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(The Daily Beast)   A sure-fire way to lose weight: listen to an epidemiologist talk about food. You'll never want to eat again   (thedailybeast.com ) divider line
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2013-03-18 02:51:24 PM  
Did I eat Wendy's twice yesterday?
 
2013-03-18 02:52:42 PM  
Or you could....cook the goddamn food.
 
2013-03-18 02:55:26 PM  
Oh look, an article about common sense.  Awesome.
 
2013-03-18 02:57:20 PM  
Or grow up on a farm that raised meat animals, or go out in the morning to gather eggs, or work as a professional cook, or...

Getting food from it's original components to the table is a gross, nasty process, and not for the squeamish. Humans are the only species I know of that spends any time worrying about it.

Somehow we've managed all these years.
 
2013-03-18 02:59:27 PM  
it's almost as if we're walking sacs of fluid harboring billions of bacteria, yet somehow we survive eating fast food
 
2013-03-18 03:00:34 PM  
So, the raccoons were right?
 
2013-03-18 03:03:29 PM  

SultanofSchwing: Or you could....cook the goddamn food.


sesapzai.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-18 03:03:58 PM  
The essence of TFA is to cook well foods that are at risk for food borne illnesses.    The title and fark headline are just hyping it up to be way more alarmist than the article actually is.

I've always had my eggs well done, and I've always ordered my red meat medium - which is pink not red.   I also rinse fruits and veggies before eating / slicing.     Never got food poisoning until I ate chicken in a country I should not have eaten chicken in.

I disagree with the article and I think that pink is perfectly fine, deep red uncooked meat can be at issue, although I'm sure there's plenty of farkers who enjoy their rare steaks without problem.  I've had a few here and there without issue.
 
2013-03-18 03:08:33 PM  
If this is such a problem, why is it we're not all sick from food poisoning all the time?

Food safety experts get the vapors over things with the slightest chance of being a problem.
 
2013-03-18 03:11:17 PM  
The food industry in America is gross the more you hear about it, and I'm not talking in the "I didn't know meat came from animals" way.... I mean the, "Holy shiat, why isn't there a better law?" way...

15% of us supposedly get some kind of foodborne illness each year, mostly mild, but occasionally deadly. So that stomach bug you got a while back may very well have been a food borne illness. Contrast that with Europe where from what I understand the figure is 0.00006%. That's an incredible difference.

I attribute it to our habit in recent decades of having our regulators get cozy with those they regulate. Regulators should have antagonistic relationships with the folks they regulate.
 
2013-03-18 03:13:50 PM  
I can't even remember the last time I ordered red meat above medium rare, hamburgers included. Only time I've ever been sick from what I'm guessing was something food borne was in Jamaica and I didn't eat any red meat there from what I can remember. People talk about Montezumas revenge when visiting Mexico, Bob Marley's revenge is equally bad. I couldn't leave our hotel room for the 2nd half of the trip I was pooping so much. All I did was lay in the bed watching shiatty jamaican cable chain smoking joints.
 
2013-03-18 03:21:33 PM  

RealityChuck: If this is such a problem, why is it we're not all sick from food poisoning all the time?

Food safety experts get the vapors over things with the slightest chance of being a problem.


CDC estimates that each year roughly 1 in 6 Americans (or 48 million people) gets sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases.

48 million of us get at least mild food poisoning each year. That's around 15% of our total population. That's a whole farking lot of people. That's a big farking deal.
 
2013-03-18 03:22:01 PM  
In grad school, I had some friends who took a parasitology course; going out to eat with them was a trip.  Depending on what they were studying at the time, they'd avoid whole pages of the menu.  For a stretch, it was no seafood,  then is was no poultry, etc.  For a whole semester, I don't think any of them had a raw green vegetable or a salad.
 
2013-03-18 03:23:22 PM  
My dad's an epidemiologist/pathologist. He eats off the floor.
 
2013-03-18 03:25:53 PM  
I don't need this shiat; I just got diagnosed with diabetes and I have to learn to eat all over again, anyway.
 
2013-03-18 03:28:06 PM  
mongbiohazard:


RealityChuck: If this is such a problem, why is it we're not all sick from food poisoning all the time?

Food safety experts get the vapors over things with the slightest chance of being a problem.

CDC estimates that each year roughly 1 in 6 Americans (or 48 million people) gets sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases.

48 million of us get at least mild food poisoning each year. That's around 15% of our total population. That's a whole farking lot of people. That's a big farking deal.


The worst part being, we're STILL better regulated than 80% of the planet. It amazes me when I see the Teabaggie Tardates who want to abolish regulatory agencies simply because they exist and are... you know... "government."
 
2013-03-18 03:31:49 PM  

maxheck: mongbiohazard:


RealityChuck: If this is such a problem, why is it we're not all sick from food poisoning all the time?

Food safety experts get the vapors over things with the slightest chance of being a problem.

CDC estimates that each year roughly 1 in 6 Americans (or 48 million people) gets sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases.

48 million of us get at least mild food poisoning each year. That's around 15% of our total population. That's a whole farking lot of people. That's a big farking deal.

The worst part being, we're STILL better regulated than 80% of the planet. It amazes me when I see the Teabaggie Tardates who want to abolish regulatory agencies simply because they exist and are... you know... "government."


Well, you know, the market would self-regulate.  If people get sick buying food from a particular source, they'll find an alternative source next time!  Assuming they survived the illness.  Don't even get me started on how EPA regulations regarding air and water pollution are crippling teh job creators.
 
2013-03-18 03:33:04 PM  
Meh. The odds are pretty low. Your odds are probably better getting bit by an aggressive dog or hit by an errant car. People rarely worry about that. I'm not saying ignore her advice, but the article comes across like's she's terrified of eating anything. Dinner at her house. Water.....lint.
 
2013-03-18 03:33:27 PM  
Communist_Manifesto:

I can't even remember the last time I ordered red meat above medium rare, hamburgers included. Only time I've ever been sick from what I'm guessing was something food borne was in Jamaica and I didn't eat any red meat there from what I can remember. People talk about Montezumas revenge when visiting Mexico, Bob Marley's revenge is equally bad. I couldn't leave our hotel room for the 2nd half of the trip I was pooping so much. All I did was lay in the bed watching shiatty jamaican cable chain smoking joints.

Ho Chi Minh had his revenge on me. I had already been in Asia for 3 weeks with zero problems, but the night I arrived in Saigon... There is nothing more mortifying than waking up to find you've shiat the hotel bed, and I would like to take this opportunity to apologize to the staff of the Asian Ruby 3 hotel. A $20 tip wasn't enough for what you had to deal with.
 
2013-03-18 03:48:21 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: SultanofSchwing: Or you could....cook the goddamn food.

[sesapzai.files.wordpress.com image 768x576]


Goddamnit...now I wan't sushi.
 
2013-03-18 03:50:11 PM  
Worst part about it... Once I was ambulatory and was able to actually eat, what was my body telling me to do?

I lumbered through the streets and found the KFC and got some bad fast-food chicken. It's what my body was telling me to do.
Maybe it's a question of "the food-poisoning you know..."
 
2013-03-18 03:53:03 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: SultanofSchwing: Or you could....cook the goddamn food.

[sesapzai.files.wordpress.com image 768x576]


There are...exceptions to the rule!
 
2013-03-18 04:04:41 PM  

mongbiohazard: RealityChuck: If this is such a problem, why is it we're not all sick from food poisoning all the time?

Food safety experts get the vapors over things with the slightest chance of being a problem.

CDC estimates that each year roughly 1 in 6 Americans (or 48 million people) gets sick, 128,000 are hospitalized, and 3,000 die of foodborne diseases.

48 million of us get at least mild food poisoning each year. That's around 15% of our total population. That's a whole farking lot of people. That's a big farking deal.


Yeah, what a lot of people think is a 24 hour flu or stomach flu is really food poisoning.
 
2013-03-18 04:08:37 PM  

buckler: I don't need this shiat; I just got diagnosed with diabetes and I have to learn to eat all over again, anyway.


Get Joel Fuhrman's book The End of Diabetes, If you can tolerate his dietary changes it should keep you off insulin.

I was on the insulin/weight round-about, and he got me off insulin.
 
2013-03-18 04:10:40 PM  

AMonkey'sUncle: buckler: I don't need this shiat; I just got diagnosed with diabetes and I have to learn to eat all over again, anyway.

Get Joel Fuhrman's book The End of Diabetes, If you can tolerate his dietary changes it should keep you off insulin.

I was on the insulin/weight round-about, and he got me off insulin.


Thanks. I need all the help I can get; these exchange charts are like alchemical scrolls to me.
 
2013-03-18 04:14:34 PM  
I can't wait for the in-depth follow up article: Wash Your Hands

Brought to you by the people who created "Look Both Ways Before Crossing" and "Don't Run with Scissors".
 
2013-03-18 04:15:16 PM  
Must have been somebody she ate.
 
2013-03-18 04:19:36 PM  
buckler:

AMonkey'sUncle: buckler: I don't need this shiat; I just got diagnosed with diabetes and I have to learn to eat all over again, anyway.

Get Joel Fuhrman's book The End of Diabetes, If you can tolerate his dietary changes it should keep you off insulin.

I was on the insulin/weight round-about, and he got me off insulin.

Thanks. I need all the help I can get; these exchange charts are like alchemical scrolls to me.


A close friend learned that she was borderline diabetic in November... She "got religion" and knuckled down and cut all her starches and sugars and lost a lot of weight in the process. It wasn't rocket science so far as I could tell... She was on Mella-something (don't remember) for a while but she did so well with changing her diet and exercise that her endocrinologist took her off it.

I will say that she's healthier and happier. Hope you have the same experience, and wish you well.
 
2013-03-18 04:22:49 PM  

mongbiohazard: Contrast that with Europe where from what I understand the figure is 0.00006%


there's no way it's that low.
 
2013-03-18 04:24:36 PM  

RealityChuck: If this is such a problem, why is it we're not all sick from food poisoning all the time?

Food safety experts get the vapors over things with the slightest chance of being a problem.


24.media.tumblr.com

/oh my goodness
 
2013-03-18 04:25:55 PM  

buckler: AMonkey'sUncle: buckler: I don't need this shiat; I just got diagnosed with diabetes and I have to learn to eat all over again, anyway.

Get Joel Fuhrman's book The End of Diabetes, If you can tolerate his dietary changes it should keep you off insulin.

I was on the insulin/weight round-about, and he got me off insulin.

Thanks. I need all the help I can get; these exchange charts are like alchemical scrolls to me.


He explains stuff well. Full disclosure - I still drink coffee, though black now.
 
2013-03-18 04:41:38 PM  
I'm not immune compromised so I actually need to feed it bad shiat occasionally to keep it operating.

People are eating so clean, washing all the natural bacteria and viruses off their bodies, we're now being sold bacteria in little probiotic pills and tiny pots of off milk.
 
2013-03-18 04:44:41 PM  
Cinnamon and honey is a good blood sugar regulator. More effective than pharma in several studies. Recommended by the Diabetes Foundation even. Google will get you specifics.
 
2013-03-18 05:00:35 PM  
Oh hell yes! I want to pay more for my food because some farking sissy is afraid of germs.

/Grow a farking immune system assholes!
//Or at least wash you food and hands
 
2013-03-18 05:12:11 PM  

harlock: The essence of TFA is to cook well foods that are at risk for food borne illnesses.    The title and fark headline are just hyping it up to be way more alarmist than the article actually is.

I've always had my eggs well done, and I've always ordered my red meat medium - which is pink not red.   I also rinse fruits and veggies before eating / slicing.     Never got food poisoning until I ate chicken in a country I should not have eaten chicken in.

I disagree with the article and I think that pink is perfectly fine, deep red uncooked meat can be at issue, although I'm sure there's plenty of farkers who enjoy their rare steaks without problem.  I've had a few here and there without issue.


I don't rinse my chicken. I sometimes eat red meat (vs. pink). I've eaten plenty of runny eggs and still pink sausage. I usually wipe my fruit off on my shirt or pants. The only time I ever had food poisoning was from beer. Yes, beer. RedHook IPA.
 
2013-03-18 05:13:54 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: SultanofSchwing: Or you could....cook the goddamn food.

[sesapzai.files.wordpress.com image 768x576]


I've eaten a lot of sushi, and have never been sick from it.  But I get sick from Olive Garden every time.
 
2013-03-18 05:14:17 PM  
I know the odds of coming across an infected egg are rare, but I still feel better buying both regular and non pasteurized shell eggs.  The former I use when I know it will be cooked through, like in baking, and the latter I can eat with delicious runny yolks and peace of  mind.
 
2013-03-18 05:15:06 PM  

stainedglassdoll: I know the odds of coming across an infected egg are rare, but I still feel better buying both regular and non pasteurized shell eggs.  The former I use when I know it will be cooked through, like in baking, and the latter I can eat with delicious runny yolks and peace of  mind.


FTFM.
 
2013-03-18 05:16:07 PM  

bborchar: Smeggy Smurf: SultanofSchwing: Or you could....cook the goddamn food.

[sesapzai.files.wordpress.com image 768x576]

I've eaten a lot of sushi, and have never been sick from it.  But I get sick from Olive Garden every time.


Ok it was interesting the first time, but since you're the second...you don't make sushi from store-bought packaged unfrozen chicken breasts or ground beef.
 
2013-03-18 05:20:32 PM  

SultanofSchwing: bborchar: Smeggy Smurf: SultanofSchwing: Or you could....cook the goddamn food.

[sesapzai.files.wordpress.com image 768x576]

I've eaten a lot of sushi, and have never been sick from it.  But I get sick from Olive Garden every time.

Ok it was interesting the first time, but since you're the second...you don't make sushi from store-bought packaged unfrozen chicken breasts or ground beef.


I was commenting on the picture in the thread about "cook your food", not on the content of the article.
 
2013-03-18 05:25:22 PM  

thecpt: mongbiohazard: Contrast that with Europe where from what I understand the figure is 0.00006%

there's no way it's that low.


Tell that to the European CDC. I'm sure they'll be interested in your methodology.

I know what you mean though... the figures seem crazy since they're so mismatched. The one that I had a hard time believing was the 15% of us here in the US, not the low figure for the EU. But that is what the CDC's research says... And that is scary.
 
2013-03-18 05:37:39 PM  
Just wait 'til you find out what's in your partner's love holes.
 
2013-03-18 06:00:25 PM  

mongbiohazard: thecpt: mongbiohazard: Contrast that with Europe where from what I understand the figure is 0.00006%

there's no way it's that low.

Tell that to the European CDC. I'm sure they'll be interested in your methodology.

I know what you mean though... the figures seem crazy since they're so mismatched. The one that I had a hard time believing was the 15% of us here in the US, not the low figure for the EU. But that is what the CDC's research says... And that is scary.


Well, it ISN'T that low, but I assume typo?  From your first link:
"That means foodborne illness strikes 15 percent of Americans each year, but only .00009 percent of Europeans. "
 
2013-03-18 06:01:08 PM  

harlock: The essence of TFA is to cook well foods that are at risk for food borne illnesses.    The title and fark headline are just hyping it up to be way more alarmist than the article actually is.

I've always had my eggs well done, and I've always ordered my red meat medium - which is pink not red.   I also rinse fruits and veggies before eating / slicing.     Never got food poisoning until I ate chicken in a country I should not have eaten chicken in.

I disagree with the article and I think that pink is perfectly fine, deep red uncooked meat can be at issue, although I'm sure there's plenty of farkers who enjoy their rare steaks without problem.  I've had a few here and there without issue.


I've heard it said that for cut meats like steaks and chops, rare is good enough for most foodborne illnesses because it's rare for them to get to the inside of the cut.  For ground meats, however, it's almost mandatory to cook it to at least medium well, because the outside of the cut is, of course, ground to the inside, so the illness can survive in the middle of the meat.
 
2013-03-18 06:01:54 PM  

mongbiohazard: 15% of us supposedly get some kind of foodborne illness each year, mostly mild, but occasionally deadly. So that stomach bug you got a while back may very well have been a food borne illness. Contrast that with Europe where from what I understand the figure is 0.00006%. That's an incredible difference.


It's seems that .00006% comes from 5,332 outbreaks and 32 deaths.  From reading the rest of the article, it appears all cases of infections aren't from an outbreak.  It also doesn't list the death toll from the illness that don't fall into the outbreak category.
 
2013-03-18 06:05:50 PM  
There are plenty of ways to stop food borne illness but they are all toxic at some level and they are all used to preesrve food too.  Things like heat, cold, radiation, salt, fat and sugar.  Adding any makes food not fresh but safer.
 
2013-03-18 06:06:24 PM  

mongbiohazard: Contrast that with Europe where from what I understand the figure is 0.00006%. That's an incredible difference.


Antiseptic properties of horse meat?
 
2013-03-18 06:16:23 PM  

marsgwar: mongbiohazard: 15% of us supposedly get some kind of foodborne illness each year, mostly mild, but occasionally deadly. So that stomach bug you got a while back may very well have been a food borne illness. Contrast that with Europe where from what I understand the figure is 0.00006%. That's an incredible difference.

It's seems that .00006% comes from 5,332 outbreaks and 32 deaths. From reading the rest of the article, it appears all cases of infections aren't from an outbreak. It also doesn't list the death toll from the illness that don't fall into the outbreak category.


fark it, wrong about that.
 
2013-03-18 06:18:50 PM  
I'll risk it with the runny eggs, but then again, I raise my own chickens.

//Fark raw milk though, fark it right in it's Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria, Campylobacter infected ass
 
2013-03-18 06:22:10 PM  

sxacho: harlock: The essence of TFA is to cook well foods that are at risk for food borne illnesses.    The title and fark headline are just hyping it up to be way more alarmist than the article actually is.

I've always had my eggs well done, and I've always ordered my red meat medium - which is pink not red.   I also rinse fruits and veggies before eating / slicing.     Never got food poisoning until I ate chicken in a country I should not have eaten chicken in.

I disagree with the article and I think that pink is perfectly fine, deep red uncooked meat can be at issue, although I'm sure there's plenty of farkers who enjoy their rare steaks without problem.  I've had a few here and there without issue.

I don't rinse my chicken. I sometimes eat red meat (vs. pink). I've eaten plenty of runny eggs and still pink sausage. I usually wipe my fruit off on my shirt or pants. The only time I ever had food poisoning was from beer. Yes, beer. RedHook IPA.


That's literally impossible. Pathogens that can cause humans to get sick cannot live in the alcoholic environment that is beer. If the beer had anything bad in it, it would have tasted so bad you wouldn't have been able to drink it. You got sick from food or something that was on the beer bottle, not the beer itself.
 
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