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(Kotaku)   Coders discover mandatory 20-minute offline timeout in SimCity which can be defeated by simply commenting out one line of the source code   (kotaku.com) divider line 239
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2013-03-18 12:30:16 PM  
And just because SOMEONE is about to say it; the vast majority of steam games do not require you to be connected to steam in order to play.  Most of them are perfectly happy to run in offline mode.
 
2013-03-18 12:35:07 PM  
I'm trying to think of how they could have screwed up this launch even more, and I'm at a loss for an answer.
 
2013-03-18 12:42:12 PM  
Jeez, this is worse than Final Fantasy 14's launch.
 
2013-03-18 12:48:21 PM  
Somebody should kick Lucy Bradshaw to the curb.
 
2013-03-18 12:51:01 PM  
Sounds like a cracked version of this that can be played offline is right around the corner.
 
2013-03-18 12:54:25 PM  
Besides the "always connected" crap, the incredibly simplistic AI is another reason I am glad I didn't waste my money on this game.
 
2013-03-18 12:54:51 PM  
Why not just leave it connected? I played for about 5 hours yesterday and enjoyed the shiat out of it. Connection was smooth and the online play with 15 other people rocked.
 
2013-03-18 12:57:31 PM  

WalkingCarpet: Sounds like a cracked version of this that can be played offline is right around the corner.


And thus a pirated version not long after that.
 
2013-03-18 01:01:04 PM  
In EA's defense, how are they supposed to figure out every complicated hack and Byzantine exploit that is possible with their code?
 
2013-03-18 01:04:13 PM  

Snarfangel: In EA's defense, how are they supposed to figure out every complicated hack and Byzantine exploit that is possible with their code?


They can't, which is why they shouldn't try. Nerds, like nature, find a way.
 
2013-03-18 01:09:32 PM  

WalkingCarpet: Sounds like a cracked version of this that can be played offline is right around the corner.


img1.fark.net  Top 6 Ways SimCity can be played offline
 
2013-03-18 01:11:22 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Why not just leave it connected? I played for about 5 hours yesterday and enjoyed the shiat out of it. Connection was smooth and the online play with 15 other people rocked.


The problem is the lies, not the fact that you need to be connected.  I have no real issue with them having online play and each city being connected to neighbors.  I do have a problem with EA/Maxis pissing on my leg and then telling me it's raining.

(Ok, I have a slight problem with it no longer being a single player game.  But that isn't enough to make me angry at the devs and publisher)
 
2013-03-18 01:13:13 PM  
From Lucy Bradshaw's blog: The game we launched is only the beginning for us - it's not final and it never will be. In many ways, we built an MMO.

Too bad they didn't advertise it as an MMO, might have saved them a lot of headaches.
 
2013-03-18 01:37:26 PM  
Running a-puck:
(Ok, I have a slight problem with it no longer being a single player game.  But that isn't enough to make me angry at the devs and publisher)

I won't pay for a single-player PC game that I can't install on my laptop and then play on a remote Forward Operating Base with little (or no) internet connectivity.

I've passed on Diablo III and now Sim City, and I bought nearly every previous game in those franchises.  I'm not angry, just "oh well, what else is out there?"  Frankly, after playing the Diablo III demo, I don't feel like I was missing much.  Just seemed liked Diablo II HD.
 
2013-03-18 01:47:01 PM  
Protip: commenting out code is one way of dealing with useless or broken code in a program.
 
2013-03-18 01:49:39 PM  

Sgt Otter: Running a-puck:
(Ok, I have a slight problem with it no longer being a single player game.  But that isn't enough to make me angry at the devs and publisher)

I won't pay for a single-player PC game that I can't install on my laptop and then play on a remote Forward Operating Base with little (or no) internet connectivity.

I've passed on Diablo III and now Sim City, and I bought nearly every previous game in those franchises.  I'm not angry, just "oh well, what else is out there?"  Frankly, after playing the Diablo III demo, I don't feel like I was missing much.  Just seemed liked Diablo II HD.


There are some always on games that are worth it, though.  Path of Exile is always on, but it's free, so it's worth the zero dollars I paid for it.

/and it's better than Diablo 3
 
2013-03-18 01:50:10 PM  
Old and busted: Being able to build cities without Industrial zones

New hotness: Being able to build a city without Industrial or Commercial
 
2013-03-18 01:50:52 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Besides the "always connected" crap, the incredibly simplistic AI is another reason I am glad I didn't waste my money on this game.


Hmmm.  I work on a college campus.  I see the "always connected", and trust me, their AI is also incredibly simplistic.
 
2013-03-18 01:52:23 PM  
Sgt Otter:
I've passed on Diablo III and now Sim City, and I bought nearly every previous game in those franchises.  I'm not angry, just "oh well, what else is out there?"  Frankly, after playing the Diablo III demo, I don't feel like I was missing much.  Just seemed liked Diablo II HD.

Pssst, the game you're looking for is called "Torchlight 2."
 
2013-03-18 01:53:16 PM  

Running a-puck: And just because SOMEONE is about to say it; the vast majority of steam games do not require you to be connected to steam in order to play.  Most of them are perfectly happy to run in offline mode.


last I checked, steam has a "Play offline" button in the damned dropdown menu that works for just about everything.  Granted, I haven't tried to use it with any of these craycray DRMs in the past few years, but I think it's still there.

/very upset with Ubisoft installing their uplay crap when I bought Far Cry 3 this weekend
//Why would I want the "play" button in steam to open another application that gives me another "Play" button to click.  Inception?
 
rpm
2013-03-18 01:54:09 PM  
The code isn't even obfuscated. I'm surprised they didn't go at least that far.
 
2013-03-18 01:54:23 PM  

Blues_X: I'm trying to think of how they could have screwed up this launch even more, and I'm at a loss for an answer.


I think they could have screwed it up more by requiring a credit card to connect even though you don't need one to play just in case you want in game purchases. then storing them unencrypted on the same server as the game server.
 
2013-03-18 01:55:39 PM  
SimCity, Civilization, and Railroad Tycoon were some of my favorite games in the early 90's.  I viewed these games as solo time-killers.  I remember pulling more than a few all-nighters playing those 3.  Unlike the FPS games I like to play (BF3 and CoD:MW3), these games do not need to be played online...nor should they.  When I heard that SimCity was going to require online play I lost interest...there's no need for it, I don't want it, and I won't play it as a result.  Now it looks like you don't have to play it online after all.
 
2013-03-18 01:55:48 PM  
Why even bother playing the damn game?  Who cares if it can be cracked for offline?  It's clear that the simulation is completely broken.  Stop getting massaged by the marketing hype train and go find a better game to play.  I'm sure Cities XL or Anno Whateveryear or SimCity Olderversion are better choices.
 
2013-03-18 01:57:46 PM  
Isn't this the same hack as was reported on last week?  And even if its different, I assume it has the same problem with no ability to save when in offline mode.
 
2013-03-18 02:01:07 PM  

Blues_X: I'm trying to think of how they could have screwed up this launch even more, and I'm at a loss for an answer.


U was about to say that they could have shipped out ~1/4th of the discs withe some other game that isn't sim city on them(a not unheard of error) by at this point it seems like that may have actually improverd the situation.
 
2013-03-18 02:01:07 PM  

germ78: Protip: commenting out code is one way of dealing with useless or broken code in a program.


By that logic, they should probably just play it safe and comment out all the code..
 
2013-03-18 02:01:19 PM  

Running a-puck: And just because SOMEONE is about to say it; the vast majority of steam games do not require you to be connected to steam in order to play.  Most of them are perfectly happy to run in offline mode.


True enough, but I have a hard time playing single-player games if the internet goes out for some reason.  It's like Steam requires you to be online in order to go offline.  Either way, though, I agree with your sentiment---Steam is a very nice service and EA/SimCity suck.

Also, LOL at how easy it is to run SimCity offline----not that it's a surprise by any means; we ALL knew EA was lying through their teeth when they said SimCity couldn't run offline.
 
2013-03-18 02:02:19 PM  

ShawnDoc: Isn't this the same hack as was reported on last week?  And even if its different, I assume it has the same problem with no ability to save when in offline mode.


There already is a hacked version available for download with the ability to save.

It was available a day after release.

Will people stop talking about an unlimited offline play version with offline saving as something happening in the future as it has been out for ages?
 
2013-03-18 02:02:54 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Old and busted: Being able to build cities without Industrial zones

New hotness: Being able to build a city without Industrial or Commercial


SimCity: Detroit 2013
 
2013-03-18 02:03:11 PM  
You do have to hand it to EA, though. They've created the greatest anti-piracy measure ever.

Make the game so shiatty that nobody even wants to pirate it.
 
2013-03-18 02:03:31 PM  

King Something: Jeez, this is worse than Final Fantasy 14's launch.


No. FFXIV was an unmitigated disaster of titanic proportions. It was completely unplayable. At least people are playing SimCity5.
 
2013-03-18 02:04:21 PM  
I'm assuming it's Javascript because it's similar to how UnrealScript works in the Unreal engine, ie, API calls  written in JS that access compiled methods from the actual compiled code (C/C++)...right? Right? They...they didn't actually write this game in Javascript, did they?
 
2013-03-18 02:05:24 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Somebody should kick Lucy Bradshaw to the curb.


Sad thing is that she'll get let go, not for the wrongheaded vision she has brought to the game, but for letting this line of code out.
 
2013-03-18 02:05:31 PM  
Because piracy

um
could someone explain this to me?
 
2013-03-18 02:05:32 PM  
Cry about it some more.
 
2013-03-18 02:06:21 PM  

scottydoesntknow: From Lucy Bradshaw's blog: The game we launched is only the beginning for us - it's not final and it never will be. In many ways, we built an MMO.

Too bad they didn't advertise it as an MMO, might have saved them a lot of headaches.


They also didn't build an MMO. Just calling something an MMO doesn't make it one.
 
2013-03-18 02:06:56 PM  

Gosling: You do have to hand it to EA, though. They've created the greatest anti-piracy measure ever.

Make the game so shiatty that nobody even wants to pirate it.


Didn't help Spore.
 
2013-03-18 02:07:22 PM  

Somaticasual: By that logic, they should probably just play it safe and comment out all the code..


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2013-03-18 02:08:04 PM  
Wait what SimCity is written in JavaScript.
 
2013-03-18 02:08:13 PM  

Ned Stark: Blues_X: I'm trying to think of how they could have screwed up this launch even more, and I'm at a loss for an answer.

U was about to say that they could have shipped out ~1/4th of the discs withe some other game that isn't sim city on them(a not unheard of error) by at this point it seems like that may have actually improverd the situation.


Still drunk from yesterday, eh?
 
2013-03-18 02:10:41 PM  
If they cut the expense on the game more than they lost sales because it's a flaming bag of shiat it's a success.

The Internet cares more about Sim City being "Sim City" than EA does.
 
2013-03-18 02:11:13 PM  

kumanoki: King Something: Jeez, this is worse than Final Fantasy 14's launch.

No. FFXIV was an unmitigated disaster of titanic proportions. It was completely unplayable. At least people are playing SimCity5.


Yes but SE is making good on there promise to fix that.  What is EA going to do to fix this and the horrid AI in SC?  I doubt much of anything.
 
2013-03-18 02:11:47 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Why not just leave it connected?


Someday, EA will decide it wants to repurpose the servers hosting Simcity 2013 games. Unless they and/or Maxis release an offline patch at that point, you would never be able to play it again. This work will allow people to do so.


dready zim: It was available a day after release.

Will people stop talking about an unlimited offline play version with offline saving as something happening in the future as it has been out for ages?


No there wasn't.
 
2013-03-18 02:12:08 PM  
I used to love building parks with Roller Coaster Tycoon, but this new fangled stuff is just too much.... :)
 
rpm
2013-03-18 02:12:18 PM  

r00tdenied: What is EA going to do to fix this and the horrid AI in SC?  I doubt much of anything


"Look, over there, free game!"
 
2013-03-18 02:12:54 PM  
Here is the list of games that you will be able to choose from once you are able to redeem. It's a great list of games across the whole EA portfolio, so pick one and add it to your Origin library on us!

Battlefield 3 (Standard Edition)
Bejeweled 3
Dead Space 3 (Standard Edition)
Mass Effect 3 (Standard Edition)
Medal of Honor Warfighter (Standard Edition)
Need For Speed Most Wanted (Standard Edition)
Plants vs. Zombies
SimCity 4 Deluxe Edition


Laughter OL.
 
2013-03-18 02:17:21 PM  

YodaBlues: I'm assuming it's Javascript because it's similar to how UnrealScript works in the Unreal engine, ie, API calls  written in JS that access compiled methods from the actual compiled code (C/C++)...right? Right? They...they didn't actually write this game in Javascript, did they?


The linked code is indeed JS.  I'm reading it the way you described it...it looks to me like the JS is accessing stuff from elsewhere.  As much as I hate EA and think they're morons, they wouldn't actually write a game in JS.
 
2013-03-18 02:20:24 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Why not just leave it connected? I played for about 5 hours yesterday and enjoyed the shiat out of it. Connection was smooth and the online play with 15 other people rocked.


Did you sleep through the entire launch week?
 
2013-03-18 02:21:44 PM  

Blues_X: I'm trying to think of how they could have screwed up this launch even more, and I'm at a loss for an answer.


They could have included a secret rootkit install.
 
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