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(Fox News)   White House announces that it is lowering expectations for Barack Obama's Israel trip, presumably from "establishing the groundwork for a lasting Middle East peace" to "not handing over Israel to the Friends of Hamas"   (foxnews.com) divider line 288
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2013-03-18 05:58:01 PM  

Alphakronik: Wake me when we stop giving Isreal $40,000,000,000 a year in aid.


They don't need it.


We'll let you sleep - first we have to start giving them $40B a year so we can stop.

(If you said $4B you'd be in the right ballpark)
 
2013-03-18 05:59:49 PM  

NostroZ: I see you are out again to bait with questions like "I wonder why everyone hates the Jews..."



There's a difference between the religion of Judaism, the Jewish race, and the nation of Israel. But you're equating a dislike of the actions of one to mean an absolute hatred of all just so you can play the race, religion, and nationality cards simultaneously.
 
2013-03-18 06:02:18 PM  

lennavan: This text is now purple: We tried that policy between 1919 and 1939. It didn't work well in a world with steam ships and airplanes.

I don't recall the United States being attacked or invaded between 1919 and 1939.  Apparently you think it was?


When did I say that?

The US reverted to isolationism in 1919, and the world went to shiat in the next 20 years. It wasn't until 1942 that we were even in a position to say anything about it again.

Given the world situation in 1946, we couldn't afford another 20 years of hiding and three years of ramping back up. In a mid-60s world, we wouldn't be able to afford those three years -- the world had gotten too small.

Someone had to be the world police. The options were the UK, the US, and the USSR. The UK couldn't do it and absolutely no one wanted the USSR to do it -- that left the US. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than the alternatives.

\There was a reason that in WWII, everyone preferred to surrender to the Americans, or failing that, the British.
 
2013-03-18 06:04:15 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: Remember, if you think what happened to Rachel Corrie was horrifying and unacceptable, you're an anti-Semite.


I'm an anti-Semite for thinking it was disgraceful that someone could fail to realize how little damage they'd do to a bulldozer?
 
2013-03-18 06:06:24 PM  

This text is now purple: lennavan: This text is now purple: We tried that policy between 1919 and 1939. It didn't work well in a world with steam ships and airplanes.

I don't recall the United States being attacked or invaded between 1919 and 1939.  Apparently you think it was?

When did I say that?

The US reverted to isolationism in 1919, and the world went to shiat in the next 20 years. It wasn't until 1942 that we were even in a position to say anything about it again.

Given the world situation in 1946, we couldn't afford another 20 years of hiding and three years of ramping back up. In a mid-60s world, we wouldn't be able to afford those three years -- the world had gotten too small.

Someone had to be the world police. The options were the UK, the US, and the USSR. The UK couldn't do it and absolutely no one wanted the USSR to do it -- that left the US. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than the alternatives.

\There was a reason that in WWII, everyone preferred to surrender to the Americans, or failing that, the British.


We do treat our enemies in a fair and equitable manner. And I, for one, thinks it is high time we stopped that nonsense.

What's the use of having nuclear arms, if we aren't willing to hug people with them?

/hug them into vapor
//and fused earth
 
2013-03-18 07:06:38 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-18 07:08:48 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: I'm deeply concerned

This sounds very concerning

If you're not concerned, you're not paying attention


Dianetics says something like that on the first page.
 
2013-03-18 07:15:32 PM  

Dr Dreidel: NostroZ: So Fark Off

Are you the guy I asked to ratchet things down a bit last week?

This is Fark, not the UN. People here are douchebags (well, the UN too, sometimes). You're not here to convince people, you're here because your job is boring (or because Starbuck's has free weefees). You should be here to discuss, not make everything about you. You may feel persecuted, but this is not a place to come to feel solidarity with Israel.

This is a place where we happily burn your idols to the ground in front of your weeping children.

// I actually come here to find the holes in my arguments




encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-18 07:18:03 PM  

NostroZ: It makes me an American-Jew who has lived in Israel when he was young and understands what it's like to live less than a mile from someone who wishes death upon you, your family, and anyone else you have a connection with.


Sounds like being Irish.
 
2013-03-18 08:36:13 PM  

captainktainer: NostroZ: Excuse me? You sound like one hell of an educated anti-Semite.

Please explain to me how in your world view, having a PRO-Israel opinion means that one is a paid for propagandist?
Seriously... explain to me how you do NOT HATE Jews, yet believe that ANYONE who supports Israel is automatically a paid for shill???

/ It's amazing to me that you do not see your own seething hatred of Israel.
// To have such intellectual dishonesty as to believe that the only people who disagree with you are paid for.
/// If anyone thinks there is "no anti-antisemitism", just look at the above logic: Either you agree Israel is evil or you're paid for.

Well, yesterday I was accused of being a pro-Israel shill, and today I'm accused of being an antisemite, so that's fun.

I'm calling you a paid Israeli shill because you're acting like a JIDF, you came in at the same time as other people ranting at the same time, and you have the same thoughtless, push-button, multiple-punctuated screed that Israel pays for, complete with ignorant racism while preemptively calling anyone who dares to disagree with you an antisemite.


lol, you're farking crazy.
 
2013-03-18 08:42:11 PM  

NostroZ: lennavan: NostroZ: My REAL argument is that Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for criticism that other countries are exempt from.

Whoa, that's funny, because my REAL argument is Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for special treatment and praise that other countries are exempt from.

I'm glad someone has the balls to speak their mind, instead of dancing around their bias.

Here is some literature showing Antisemitism in America... these are peer reviewed sources to support my argument.
http://www.pbs.org/jewishamericans/jewish_life/anti-semitism.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/10/06/antisemitic-incidents-inc re ase-in-america-for-the-first-time-since-2004/

Please support your argument that Israel / Jews get a preferential treatment... otherwise you sound like a bigot who says "Jews conspire to get a better deal"


The burden of proof is not on those that question the American/Israeli alliance. It is on those that support it to continue justifying it.

We see a bunch of negatives that come from it.

Instead of addressing those, you immediately jump in with the anti-semite accusations.

Lets just be clear here. Israel's religion is not the issue, and neither is Israel's 5000 year old culture.

What is the issue is Israel's government. It is wrong. And it is dependent on the USA for funding.

I'm sick of it. My country, the USA, needs its money at home. Not propping up a military dictatorship that only exists because of a stupid mistake 80 years ago by a british foreign secretary.

I don't owe this government sh*t. In fact, it has helped to ruin my country's reputation around the world and continues to do so to this day.

Tired of it.
 
2013-03-18 09:47:27 PM  

Generation_D: What is the issue is Israel's government. It is wrong. And it is dependent on the USA for funding.


So stop funding it already.

/except you won't
//because every single sentence you posted is a lie
///and even if you don't know it, Obama does, and he'll drone strike your revolutionary anarcho-terrorist ass back into line if he has to
 
2013-03-18 09:50:14 PM  

Generation_D: NostroZ: lennavan: NostroZ: My REAL argument is that Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for criticism that other countries are exempt from.

Whoa, that's funny, because my REAL argument is Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for special treatment and praise that other countries are exempt from.

I'm glad someone has the balls to speak their mind, instead of dancing around their bias.

Here is some literature showing Antisemitism in America... these are peer reviewed sources to support my argument.
http://www.pbs.org/jewishamericans/jewish_life/anti-semitism.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/10/06/antisemitic-incidents-inc re ase-in-america-for-the-first-time-since-2004/

Please support your argument that Israel / Jews get a preferential treatment... otherwise you sound like a bigot who says "Jews conspire to get a better deal"

The burden of proof is not on those that question the American/Israeli alliance. It is on those that support it to continue justifying it.

We see a bunch of negatives that come from it.

Instead of addressing those, you immediately jump in with the anti-semite accusations.

Lets just be clear here. Israel's religion is not the issue, and neither is Israel's 5000 year old culture.

What is the issue is Israel's government. It is wrong. And it is dependent on the USA for funding.

I'm sick of it. My country, the USA, needs its money at home. Not propping up a military dictatorship that only exists because of a stupid mistake 80 years ago by a british foreign secretary.

I don't owe this government sh*t. In fact, it has helped to ruin my country's reputation around the world and continues to do so to this day.

Tired of it.


Why do you get labeled as anti-Semitic?

Jesus Christ, look at what is on Fark

There is a farking thread on how an actor who played Satan looked a little-sort-like Obama and the History channel was blowing a dog whistle for their conservative viewers.

You cant make this shiat up. This is what America is.
 
2013-03-18 10:39:45 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Generation_D: What is the issue is Israel's government. It is wrong. And it is dependent on the USA for funding.

So stop funding it already.

/except you won't
//because every single sentence you posted is a lie
///and even if you don't know it, Obama does, and he'll drone strike your revolutionary anarcho-terrorist ass back into line if he has to


"Hurpa derpa doo he killed one traitor on the battlefield that means the next target will be the elementary school in Richmond Virginia because I think he's evil"
 
2013-03-18 10:49:07 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Tatterdemalian: Generation_D: What is the issue is Israel's government. It is wrong. And it is dependent on the USA for funding.

So stop funding it already.

/except you won't
//because every single sentence you posted is a lie
///and even if you don't know it, Obama does, and he'll drone strike your revolutionary anarcho-terrorist ass back into line if he has to

"Hurpa derpa doo he killed one traitor on the battlefield that means the next target will be the elementary school in Richmond Virginia because I think he's evil"




Drones will be flying over our schools after the next "event."
 
2013-03-18 11:04:06 PM  

TheBigJerk: Help me out here, are you repeating this old, debunked lies for the first time because you're ignorant or just bringing the circle back around because you ran out of arguments?



No, I'm sorry to say that NostroZ isn't ignorant, at least not in the innocent sense of merely not knowing any better.  He's posted misinformation in several Fark threads about Israel before, and gotten extremely belligerent when confronted by actual facts.  He appears to be full of hatred and rage against, well, somebody.  I'm not entirely sure who it is he hates and whether he should be classified as an antisemite or not, but he's furiously derptastic when it comes to Israel and only gets moreso when confronted.
 
2013-03-18 11:17:35 PM  
265 posts and no Londo?
 
2013-03-19 12:11:40 AM  

Dr Dreidel: NostroZ: On a separate note, Dr. Dreidel: What is your opinion on Iran and them getting nukes?

I think it'd be far better if we gave them the tech to have a nuclear energy program - mending fences as well as getting to keep an eye on them (we'll know what they have) - but with sanctions and the 40-year history we have, I'd guess that Iran does their own thing, helped by China/Russia.

It's weird that Iran's been 5-15 years away from Getting the Bomb for about 15 years now. Always chasing the horizons...


It makes you wonder who's next?
 
2013-03-19 12:17:53 AM  

El_Swino: Amos Quito: NostroZ: So, you're argument is that AMERICA treats Israel favorably... which no duh, anyone can see.
My argument is that, except for America, the world has a huge bias against Israel.


Have you ever bothered to wonder why?

Something something "orgy of Jew hate"?

Just a guess.  Do I win anything?



Why yes, you do, as a matter of fact.


;-)
 
2013-03-19 12:18:19 AM  
NostroZ: Well, yesterday I was accused of being a pro-Israel shill, and today I'm accused of being an antisemite, so that's fun.

captainktainer:

I'm calling you a paid Israeli shill because you're acting like a JIDF, you came in at the same time as other people ranting at the same time, and you have the same thoughtless, push-button, multiple-punctuated screed that Israel pays for, complete with ignorant racism while preemptively calling anyone who dares to disagree with you an antisemite.


NostroZ has done this before in other Fark threads.  He's either deranged or being paid to spread lies.
 
2013-03-19 12:24:26 AM  

ciberido: TheBigJerk: Help me out here, are you repeating this old, debunked lies for the first time because you're ignorant or just bringing the circle back around because you ran out of arguments?


No, I'm sorry to say that NostroZ isn't ignorant, at least not in the innocent sense of merely not knowing any better.  He's posted misinformation in several Fark threads about Israel before, and gotten extremely belligerent when confronted by actual facts.  He appears to be full of hatred and rage against, well, somebody.  I'm not entirely sure who it is he hates and whether he should be classified as an antisemite or not, but he's furiously derptastic when it comes to Israel and only gets moreso when confronted.




C'mon, that's not really necessary, is it? Sometimes you can teach others the dangers of poking a hornet's nest once in a while, but you shouldn't stand there and keep doing it. I would think.
 
2013-03-19 12:32:46 AM  
I, for one, find it interesting that certain folks who would happily disembowel me on THIS topic are often in complete (if unacknowledged) agreement with me on other topics.

And vice versa.

Strange universe.

Don't you think?
 
2013-03-19 01:06:25 AM  

Amos Quito: I, for one, find it interesting that certain folks who would happily disembowel me on THIS topic are often in complete (if unacknowledged) agreement with me on other topics.

And vice versa.

Strange universe.

Don't you think?


Not really. A lie is most convincingly hidden between two truths, and you've certainly spent enough time perfecting your recipe for slipping poisonous antisemitism into FARK threads to be an expert at it, probably even better than Himmler himself.

/at least on FARK
//in the real world, you're still the same basement-dwelling neo-nazi you've always been
 
2013-03-19 10:18:00 AM  
I would one hundred percent take him handing Israel over. They are a vile, evil collection of thugs and racists. They deserve for an actual Shoah to happen to them.
 
2013-03-19 10:20:14 AM  

St_Francis_P: WorldCitizen: WorldCitizen: He can try to squirm out of it now, but his place in history is set.

And that was totally the wrong thread. I am not awake yet today.

Freudian slip. Your subconscious wanted to say that Obama is the communist fascist socialist Kenyan usurper anti-Christ anti-Semite empty suit threat to America that everyone says.


We could wish he was an Anti Jew until the Jewish cock slipped out of his mouth. It wouldn't change the truth.
 
2013-03-19 10:39:32 AM  

ArmoredFelix: I would one hundred percent take him handing Israel over. They are a vile, evil collection of thugs and racists. They deserve for an actual Shoah to happen to them.


And this is what an actual anti-Semite looks like, kids.
 
2013-03-19 11:23:22 AM  
Ahh. I see that making the 480 decibel screaming go away makes this place much nicer.

Hey Amos, how about a beer for breakfast? :D

/sorry I snapped at you earlier
 
2013-03-19 01:01:52 PM  

Generation_D: Cry moar, Israeli lobby. Obama's the best president since Eisenhauer for protecting American interests, not just bowing to Israeli ones.



Wow, how ignorant.

 Eisenhower was as much a pacifist malcontent as that socialist whack-job obama hussein...
AND, said whack-job, will go down in history as one of America's greatest mistakes.

What has he done for you lately?
he hates America and always will.

'shoulda stayed in Indonesia.....
 
2013-03-19 01:18:58 PM  

Tatterdemalian: Amos Quito: I, for one, find it interesting that certain folks who would happily disembowel me on THIS topic are often in complete (if unacknowledged) agreement with me on other topics.

And vice versa.

Strange universe.

Don't you think?

Not really. A lie is most convincingly hidden between two truths, and you've certainly spent enough time perfecting your recipe for slipping poisonous antisemitism into FARK threads to be an expert at it, probably even better than Himmler himself.



If anyone is creating "anti-Semites" on Fark (or elsewhere), it is the clowns like you (and NostroZ, etc) who immediately attack anyone critical of your agenda by labeling them a "Nazi", and then browbeating them until they actually do acquire a distaste for their tormentors.

You guys are creating "enemies" out of whole cloth. Churning them out by the dozen.

Do you really not see this, or are you doing it intentionally?

Tatterdemalian: /at least on FARK
//in the real world, you're still the same basement-dwelling neo-nazi you've always been



Oooh. Look. You called me a "neo-nazi".

Well, that was both productive AND original, wasn't it?
 
2013-03-19 01:20:16 PM  

verdigris1: Generation_D: Cry moar, Israeli lobby. Obama's the best president since Eisenhauer for protecting American interests, not just bowing to Israeli ones.


Wow, how ignorant.

 Eisenhower was as much a pacifist malcontent as that socialist whack-job obama hussein...
AND, said whack-job, will go down in history as one of America's greatest mistakes.

What has he done for you lately?
he hates America and always will.

'shoulda stayed in Indonesia.....


If you use "pacifist" as an insult, you probably need to increase your meds.
 
2013-03-19 01:20:40 PM  

Kittypie070: Ahh. I see that making the 480 decibel screaming go away makes this place much nicer.

Hey Amos, how about a beer for breakfast? :D

/sorry I snapped at you earlier


Beer? For me?


;-)
 
2013-03-19 02:12:48 PM  

NostroZ: lennavan: NostroZ: Please support your argument that Israel / Jews get a preferential treatment... otherwise you sound like a bigot who says "Jews conspire to get a better deal"

Tragedy.  I had a nice long post written out with citations but then I had to work for a bit and apparently I closed that window.  Anyway, here's the brief synopsis:

Assume the situation in the Sudan is equivalent to Israel, even though we all know the situation in the Sudan is way worse.

Israel gets 7x the aid.
Obama is actually visiting Israel.
Obama talks about Israel in his speeches all the time.
Israel was a major issue during the last presidential election.  Hell, Romney actually traveled to Israel to give a speech.
At various times the US has promised troops and severe intervention/military responses should a country do anything with respect to Israel.
People get their jobs filibustered in Congress over Israel, not the Sudan.

If you want citations, you'll have to www.google.com it yourself.

So, you're argument is that AMERICA treats Israel favorably... which no duh, anyone can see.
My argument is that, except for America, the world has a huge bias against Israel.

Please step outside your bubble of the world = America


Fair enough.  I'd rather not step outside my "bubble."  The US has a big problem of sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.  We've got plenty of our own problems to deal with before we start worrying about other countries.  I get a say, via voting, how my own country deals with Israel.  I don't really get a say, nor do I want a say, in how other countries deal with Israel.
 
2013-03-19 02:18:07 PM  

This text is now purple: lennavan: This text is now purple: We tried that policy between 1919 and 1939. It didn't work well in a world with steam ships and airplanes.

I don't recall the United States being attacked or invaded between 1919 and 1939.  Apparently you think it was?

When did I say that?

The US reverted to isolationism in 1919, and the world went to shiat in the next 20 years. It wasn't until 1942 that we were even in a position to say anything about it again.

Given the world situation in 1946, we couldn't afford another 20 years of hiding and three years of ramping back up. In a mid-60s world, we wouldn't be able to afford those three years -- the world had gotten too small.

Someone had to be the world police. The options were the UK, the US, and the USSR. The UK couldn't do it and absolutely no one wanted the USSR to do it -- that left the US. It wasn't perfect, but it was better than the alternatives.

\There was a reason that in WWII, everyone preferred to surrender to the Americans, or failing that, the British.



The world is not the US's responsibility.  I don't know why you think it is.  What do you mean we "couldn't afford" another 20 years of hiding.  Again, we were not attacked or under the threat of attack.  We weren't about to be invaded.  We absolutely could have afforded another 20 years of hiding.

Why does someone have to be the world police?  And who the fark are we to police the rest of the world anyway?  We're going to tell the rest of the world how to run themselves, how to govern themselves?  Have you paid any attention to our own political system at all and all of the corruption and influence of money on the process?

By the way, if you actually subscribe to the US being the world police, then I imagine you're amazingly upset at the US for its inaction in a whole slew of places.  You're telling me how it was imperative the US intervene in WWII, have you paid any attention to what is currently happening in various African countries?
 
2013-03-19 02:30:30 PM  

lennavan: Why does someone have to be the world police? And who the fark are we to police the rest of the world anyway? We're going to tell the rest of the world how to run themselves, how to govern themselves? Have you paid any attention to our own political system at all and all of the corruption and influence of money on the process?




Because of the Roman guys trying to capture the glory and wealth of some guy named Alex.
 
2013-03-19 02:52:47 PM  

Amos Quito: Kittypie070: Ahh. I see that making the 480 decibel screaming go away makes this place much nicer.

Hey Amos, how about a beer for breakfast? :D

/sorry I snapped at you earlier


Beer? For me?


;-)


It's always beer o'clock someplace.
 
2013-03-20 06:56:14 AM  

Amos Quito: If anyone is creating "anti-Semites" on Fark (or elsewhere), it is the clowns like you (and NostroZ, etc) who immediately attack anyone critical of your agenda by labeling them a "Nazi", and then browbeating them until they actually do acquire a distaste for their tormentors.


You were a Nazi long before you were browbeaten here.

You get browbeaten for supporting Nazi propaganda (Jews in general and zionists in particluar were behind that skullduggery that lead to WWII, they were behind the holocaust, post pictures supporting the BS narrative that Jews declared war on Germany, etc).
 
2013-03-20 11:08:22 AM  
i1121.photobucket.com

You don't have to be ON "Ignore" to be ignored, Liar76.
 
2013-03-20 12:40:15 PM  

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 803x83]

You don't have to be ON "Ignore" to be ignored, Liar76.


So because I call out your BS of believing that jews are behind the holocaust, that means I actually  think that and am an anti-semite?

Ok.
 
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