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(Fox News)   White House announces that it is lowering expectations for Barack Obama's Israel trip, presumably from "establishing the groundwork for a lasting Middle East peace" to "not handing over Israel to the Friends of Hamas"   (foxnews.com) divider line 288
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2013-03-18 03:34:30 PM  

NostroZ: Dr Dreidel: NostroZ: So Fark Off

Are you the guy I asked to ratchet things down a bit last week?

This is Fark, not the UN. People here are douchebags (well, the UN too, sometimes). You're not here to convince people, you're here because your job is boring (or because Starbuck's has free weefees). You should be here to discuss, not make everything about you. You may feel persecuted, but this is not a place to come to feel solidarity with Israel.

This is a place where we happily burn your idols to the ground in front of your weeping children.

// I actually come here to find the holes in my arguments

Fair enough... I have been neglecting my work with this thread.

I hold no idols... you should know that's against my religion.

It just pains me to see such willful ignorance followed by seething hatred and no say a word.


Welcome to the internet. Mind you don't disturb the hatred when you enter and leave.
 
2013-03-18 03:35:00 PM  

NostroZ: cameroncrazy1984: You don't have to hate Jews to dislike what Israel does. Get down off your cross already.

You're right, you don't... but much like all KKK members hate African Americans, but not everyone who hates blacks is KKK, the same goes for the "I hate Israel crowd".

Yet, 99 times out of 100 they also hate Jews... the 1 out of a 100 is usually a person who cares about ALL world injustices, like Sudan, which has no Jews, but has terrible things going on there.

But, more often than not, when someone talks about Israel, they are talking about Jews... don't play stupid, you know this.


"I dislike what Israel does" "I hate Israel"

And yet you accuse other people of playing stupid.
 
2013-03-18 03:36:09 PM  

IrateShadow: NostroZ: Go ahead, prove to me that you're not a Jew Hating Hypocrite.

I can provide baseless inflammatory accusations, too.  Prove to me you aren't a baby-raping serial murderer.


Cereal Killer!

fc02.deviantart.net
 
2013-03-18 03:36:23 PM  
In this thread:  A guy who believes that the ONLY possible explanation for disagreement with US policy re Israel is hatred of Jews.
 
2013-03-18 03:37:19 PM  

IrateShadow: NostroZ: Go ahead, prove to me that you're not a Jew Hating Hypocrite.

I can provide baseless inflammatory accusations, too.  Prove to me you aren't a baby-raping serial murderer.


I would love to... but I'm not the one posting on a baby-rapping serial murderer thread defending the rapist.
 
2013-03-18 03:37:52 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: In this thread:  A guy who believes that the ONLY possible explanation for disagreement with US policy re Israel is hatred of Jews.


Perhaps; or, a remarkably successful troll.
 
2013-03-18 03:38:47 PM  

NostroZ: Yet, 99 times out of 100 they also hate Jews... the 1 out of a 100 is usually a person who cares about ALL world injustices, like Sudan, which has no Jews, but has terrible things going on there.



You know this for a fact? Or are you stereotyping based on "every injustice you don't post about is an injustice you wholeheartedly support"?
 
2013-03-18 03:39:28 PM  

NostroZ: I would love to... but I'm not the one posting on a baby-rapping serial murderer thread defending the rapist.


So... you're not denying that you systematically rape and murder babies for the sexual thrill?
 
2013-03-18 03:42:30 PM  

NostroZ: It just pains me to see such willful ignorance followed by seething hatred and no say a word.


I've been a regular here since '07ish, we call it "Tuesday" (especially in Israel threads, a topic near and dear to my heart - I'm a former resident).

Resign yourself to the facts that willful ignorance and seething hatred are forces of internet nature.

// a digital zen koan
 
2013-03-18 03:43:32 PM  

NostroZ: IrateShadow: NostroZ: Go ahead, prove to me that you're not a Jew Hating Hypocrite.

I can provide baseless inflammatory accusations, too.  Prove to me you aren't a baby-raping serial murderer.

I would love to... but I'm not the one posting on a baby-rapping serial murderer thread defending the rapist.



But you are defending Israel, despite the fact that they have shot children outside of their own homes solely because the Israeli government secretly extended the restricted area. So what does that make you?
 
2013-03-18 03:44:02 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-18 03:44:40 PM  

Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: NostroZ: cameroncrazy1984: You don't have to hate Jews to dislike what Israel does. Get down off your cross already.

You're right, you don't... but much like all KKK members hate African Americans, but not everyone who hates blacks is KKK, the same goes for the "I hate Israel crowd".

Yet, 99 times out of 100 they also hate Jews... the 1 out of a 100 is usually a person who cares about ALL world injustices, like Sudan, which has no Jews, but has terrible things going on there.

But, more often than not, when someone talks about Israel, they are talking about Jews... don't play stupid, you know this.

"I dislike what Israel does" ≠ "I hate Israel"

And yet you accuse other people of playing stupid.


For someone to care about a country so far away, that has so little to do with their well being makes me think they have an axe to grind.  Simple as that.  If you dislike what America does, if you dislike what Saudi Arabia does, if you dislike what Mexico does, if you dislike etc. etc. etc. along with your dislike of Israel, fine.

But one thing that I cannot stand is when all these alleged humanitarians talk about Israel/Palestine as though there is not a genocide going on in Darfur... as though the only problem they know or care about is one concerning the Jews.
 
2013-03-18 03:47:59 PM  

the ha ha guy: NostroZ: IrateShadow: NostroZ: Go ahead, prove to me that you're not a Jew Hating Hypocrite.

I can provide baseless inflammatory accusations, too.  Prove to me you aren't a baby-raping serial murderer.

I would love to... but I'm not the one posting on a baby-rapping serial murderer thread defending the rapist.


But you are defending Israel, despite the fact that they have shot children outside of their own homes solely because the Israeli government secretly extended the restricted area. So what does that make you?


It makes me an American-Jew who has lived in Israel when he was young and understands what it's like to live less than a mile from someone who wishes death upon you, your family, and anyone else you have a connection with.

What do the actions of the American government in Abu Grahib, Guantanamo bay, Iraq, etc. make you?
 
2013-03-18 03:57:19 PM  

NostroZ: the ha ha guy: NostroZ: IrateShadow: NostroZ: Go ahead, prove to me that you're not a Jew Hating Hypocrite.

I can provide baseless inflammatory accusations, too.  Prove to me you aren't a baby-raping serial murderer.

I would love to... but I'm not the one posting on a baby-rapping serial murderer thread defending the rapist.


But you are defending Israel, despite the fact that they have shot children outside of their own homes solely because the Israeli government secretly extended the restricted area. So what does that make you?

It makes me an American-Jew who has lived in Israel when he was young and understands what it's like to live less than a mile from someone who wishes death upon you, your family, and anyone else you have a connection with.

What do the actions of the American government in Abu Grahib, Guantanamo bay, Iraq, etc. make you?


So it's okay for the Jews to secretly extend a forbidden zone so they can murder young children?
 
2013-03-18 03:58:21 PM  

NostroZ: Please support your argument that Israel / Jews get a preferential treatment... otherwise you sound like a bigot who says "Jews conspire to get a better deal"


Tragedy.  I had a nice long post written out with citations but then I had to work for a bit and apparently I closed that window.  Anyway, here's the brief synopsis:

Assume the situation in the Sudan is equivalent to Israel, even though we all know the situation in the Sudan is way worse.

Israel gets 7x the aid.
Obama is actually visiting Israel.
Obama talks about Israel in his speeches all the time.
Israel was a major issue during the last presidential election.  Hell, Romney actually traveled to Israel to give a speech.
At various times the US has promised troops and severe intervention/military responses should a country do anything with respect to Israel.
People get their jobs filibustered in Congress over Israel, not the Sudan.

If you want citations, you'll have to www.google.com it yourself.
 
2013-03-18 03:59:11 PM  

NostroZ: Kittypie070: Dear NostroZ or NoDoz or NozStrawz or whatever you are:

I have one very humble piece of advice for you.

If you want people to listen to and take seriously the world-shattering wisdom you feel you absolutely must impart to us lowdown booger-picking yokels, try drinking a nice relaxing cup of chamomile tea first.

Speaking at 480 decibels tends to put the audience off just a slight bit.

Fark off!
I'm not here to impart some world-shattering wisdom... I'm here to tell the haters that they are haters and provide anyone in between with FACTS of what's ACTUALLY going on vs. the Anti-Semite propaganda you call opinion... I'm not here to impress you or care if you WANT to listen to me... Block me for all I care.

Tell me I'm not as good as Tatsuma... I don't care... You're nuanced hatred is still that!  It's hatred and I will not look the other way.

I'm not about to sit idly by while this Jew Hating orgy goes wild, sowing falsehoods like "we don't get anything from Israel for our money" or like Mr.lennavan post who's word for word argument is "Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for special treatment and praise that other countries are exempt from."

So Fark Off for trying to tell me I'm not responding how you would like to hatred that has led to genocide in the past!



In any thread containing criticism of Zionism or the Zionist State, Farkers like NostroZ will crawl out of the cracks and crevices - first to whine, then to cry, and then it's

J'accuse!

J'accuse!


J'accuse!

They're hoping to shut folks up by accusing them of anti-Semitism.

This little game used to work like a charm - but this charm has lost its luster.

Problem is, it's the only charm they have, so they're kind of screwed.
 
2013-03-18 04:00:35 PM  

NostroZ: I'm not about to sit idly by while this Jew Hating orgy goes wild, ... like Mr.lennavan post who's word for word argument is "Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for special treatment and praise that other countries are exempt from."


I don't hate Israel.  I'm just against giving Israel special treatment.  There's a huge difference there and you seem to be purposely conflating the two.
 
2013-03-18 04:00:45 PM  

NostroZ: For someone to care about a country so far away, that has so little to do with their well being makes me think they have an axe to grind.


That ranks as one of the top 10 dumbest things ever said on Fark.

Person 1: "Did you hear?  The Greek government is taking a portion of everyone's savings accounts without their permission."
Person 2: "Wow, that's messed up."
You: "OMG, WHY DO YOU HATE THE GREEKS!?!?"

You know what they call people who don't have feelings or opinions about other people that have little to do with their own well being?  Sociopaths.
 
2013-03-18 04:01:52 PM  

NostroZ: But one thing that I cannot stand is when all these alleged humanitarians talk about Israel/Palestine as though there is not a genocide going on in Darfur... as though the only problem they know or care about is one concerning the Jews.


So we're all in here saying stuff l like "Yeah, fark Israel...they're the only bad people on Earth!"?

What's the acceptable protocol here? What's the minimum number of other world problems we have to mention before speaking about Israel doesn't make us jew-hating Nazi hitlers that want nothing but the extermination of all jews everywhar!1!? Do we have to mention different ones each time? Can one of us just start a thread about Israel with "Hey guys, have you heard about that shiat in Somalia?"
 
2013-03-18 04:01:58 PM  

NostroZ: Harbinger of the Doomed Rat: NostroZ: cameroncrazy1984: You don't have to hate Jews to dislike what Israel does. Get down off your cross already.

And yet you accuse other people of playing stupid.

For someone to care about a country so far away, that has so little to do with their well being makes me think they have an axe to grind.  Simple as that.  If you dislike what America does, if you dislike what Saudi Arabia does, if you dislike what Mexico does, if you dislike etc. etc. etc. along with your dislike of Israel, fine.
...............


That's where you are wrong yet again. It's my hard earned tax dollar that goes there. Its is the reason I get groped at the airport. It's the reason 6K+ Americans are dead. The list goes on and on.
 
2013-03-18 04:02:14 PM  

NostroZ: But one thing that I cannot stand is when all these alleged humanitarians talk about Israel/Palestine as though there is not a genocide going on in Darfur... as though the only problem they know or care about is one concerning the Jews.



When the context of the thread is the conflict in Israel, we discuss the conflict in Israel. When the context is Sudan, N. Korea, China, Somalia, Liberia, Syria, Myanmar, Mexico, or any other region with ongoing conflict or human rights violations, we discuss the country relevant to that thread.

Ignoring the conflict in other regions does not imply support or indifference toward the aggressor(s), it only means that it's irrelevant to the current discussion, just as overfishing is usually irrelevant to a discussion about someone on trial for killing a dog.
 
2013-03-18 04:05:56 PM  

This text is now purple: lennavan: The United States is not located in the Middle East. Why the fark is it our responsibility to establish the groundwork for lasting peace. If they don't want peace, who are we to force it on them?

The Allies won WWII, because between the two of them, the UK and the US controlled 75% of the world's mineral resources. Germany lost because it couldn't fight its way to oil or uranium.

The Middle East, currently having mineral wealth and having always been a crossroads of the world, has always been worth keeping an eye on, and always will be, even if only because the Suez runs through Egypt.



While I don't share your view of WWII history at all, I get what you're trying to say and I think your reasoning is spot on for why the US does it.  I just don't find that reason compelling enough to engage in multiple wars and getting in the middle of a religious conflict between other countries.  We shouldn't be the world police.
 
2013-03-18 04:06:04 PM  

NostroZ: What do the actions of the American government in Abu Grahib, Guantanamo bay, Iraq, etc. make you?



If I supported those wars, it would make me a hypocrite. But since I feel that the American government is just as wrong as the Israeli and Palestinian governments, I'm neither a hypocrite nor anti-semitic, regardless of how much you want to turn me into one.
 
2013-03-18 04:09:20 PM  
Is  NostroZ and InstaZen25 same alt?

Either way both going into my ignore list.
 
2013-03-18 04:12:23 PM  

Amos Quito: HI EVERYBODY!



Hi Amos.
 
2013-03-18 04:22:30 PM  
NozStrawz it is.

Because hysterical+HUFFFFFFF.
 
2013-03-18 04:27:50 PM  
 
2013-03-18 04:37:25 PM  
That was a nice riposte, Amos.

[offers beer instead of litter-flickin']
 
2013-03-18 04:38:53 PM  
 
2013-03-18 04:51:21 PM  

Dr Dreidel: NostroZ: It just pains me to see such willful ignorance followed by seething hatred and no say a word.

I've been a regular here since '07ish, we call it "Tuesday" (especially in Israel threads, a topic near and dear to my heart - I'm a former resident).

Resign yourself to the facts that willful ignorance and seething hatred are forces of internet nature.

// a digital zen koan


This is where my darkhalf comes to feed.

Isn't that right, you Jew hating NAZI's? You 0bama lovin' spawns of the Dark One, no, not Cheney, this time, the Other Dark One. You hateful lovers of the Churchs of Global Climate Change, Atheism, People for the  Eatin' of Tasty Animals, Abortionists, and Democrats who haven't yet sworn off their KKK aparthied roots.

If I left anyone off, my deepest apologies, and FARK you too.
 
2013-03-18 04:51:37 PM  

mayIFark: Nutsac_Jim: mayIFark: We heard that one was well before as well. Got something new? They must be slacking at the Israeli ministry of propaganda.

"I've heard that one before" is not an effective logical argument.

So you thought your so called argument had logic? Good for you. Make sure to add the coin to your unicorn beforehand.

No, winning a war does not give anymore right to any land.


The ENTIRE history of EARTH disagrees with your statement.
 
2013-03-18 04:56:48 PM  

lennavan: The Allies won WWII, because between the two of them, the UK and the US controlled 75% of the world's mineral resources. Germany lost because it couldn't fight its way to oil or uranium.

The Middle East, currently having mineral wealth and having always been a crossroads of the world, has always been worth keeping an eye on, and always will be, even if only because the Suez runs through Egypt.

While I don't share your view of WWII history at all, I get what you're trying to say and I think your reasoning is spot on for why the US does it. I just don't find that reason compelling enough to engage in multiple wars and getting in the middle of a religious conflict between other countries. We shouldn't be the world police.


We tried that policy between 1919 and 1939. It didn't work well in a world with steam ships and airplanes.
 
2013-03-18 04:59:30 PM  

This text is now purple: We tried that policy between 1919 and 1939. It didn't work well in a world with steam ships and airplanes.


I don't recall the United States being attacked or invaded between 1919 and 1939.  Apparently you think it was?
 
2013-03-18 04:59:41 PM  

mayIFark: Is  NostroZ and InstaZen25 same alt?

Either way both going into my ignore list.


So sorry for offending your delicate sensibilities by (gasp!) Not completely poo-pooing on Israel. I shall try to do better next time.
 
2013-03-18 05:03:15 PM  

ZzeusS: Pointy Tail of Satan: The stupid thing is, if Israel could just come to terms with the Palestinians, the combination of Israeli money and brains, and a Palestinian workforce, they could together be the next China in terms of economy.


I don't think we need that many figs and olives.


You've never had gelopano stuffed olives I take it?
 
2013-03-18 05:08:32 PM  

Vectron: [upload.wikimedia.org image 200x200]

I kid you not.



Great link. Thanks.

Yeah, there is certainly a well organized and determined effort to push pro-Zionist propaganda - and to viciously attack / smear anyone who even HINTS at opposing their agenda.

Read more at:

The Israel Project's Secret Hasbara Handbook Exposed

These guys actually have "training camps" and such.

See also Birthright Israel - they give free trips to the Zionist State to (Jewish) kids -  the idea being to reenforce ethnocentric cohesion, and to instill a sense of loyalty TO the Jewish State - regardless of where the kid is from.

But there's nothing "racist" or "bigoted" about Zionism, you know.
 
2013-03-18 05:11:28 PM  

InstaZen25: mayIFark: Is  NostroZ and InstaZen25 same alt?

Either way both going into my ignore list.

So sorry for offending your delicate sensibilities by (gasp!) Not completely poo-pooing on Israel. I shall try to do better next time.


Most of us aren't "constantly poo-pooing in Israel", either. But according to the two of you, any slightly negative thought or word, or any criticism of their actions and policies and constant crying to America to fix their problems, equals Jew-hating monster seeking the complete annihilation of the grand race chosen by God. And you consistently fail to understand (or choose to disregard) that your behavior is not helping your argument or your side.
 
2013-03-18 05:13:00 PM  

lennavan: NostroZ: Please support your argument that Israel / Jews get a preferential treatment... otherwise you sound like a bigot who says "Jews conspire to get a better deal"

Tragedy.  I had a nice long post written out with citations but then I had to work for a bit and apparently I closed that window.  Anyway, here's the brief synopsis:

Assume the situation in the Sudan is equivalent to Israel, even though we all know the situation in the Sudan is way worse.

Israel gets 7x the aid.
Obama is actually visiting Israel.
Obama talks about Israel in his speeches all the time.
Israel was a major issue during the last presidential election.  Hell, Romney actually traveled to Israel to give a speech.
At various times the US has promised troops and severe intervention/military responses should a country do anything with respect to Israel.
People get their jobs filibustered in Congress over Israel, not the Sudan.

If you want citations, you'll have to www.google.com it yourself.


So, you're argument is that AMERICA treats Israel favorably... which no duh, anyone can see.
My argument is that, except for America, the world has a huge bias against Israel.

Please step outside your bubble of the world = America
 
2013-03-18 05:20:19 PM  

NostroZ: So, you're argument is that AMERICA treats Israel favorably... which no duh, anyone can see.
My argument is that, except for America, the world has a huge bias against Israel.



Have you ever bothered to wonder why?

I'm pretty sure you have me on IGNORE, but just in case you don't...
 
2013-03-18 05:23:59 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: InstaZen25: mayIFark: Is  NostroZ and InstaZen25 same alt?

Either way both going into my ignore list.

So sorry for offending your delicate sensibilities by (gasp!) Not completely poo-pooing on Israel. I shall try to do better next time.

Most of us aren't "constantly poo-pooing in Israel", either. But according to the two of you, any slightly negative thought or word, or any criticism of their actions and policies and constant crying to America to fix their problems, equals Jew-hating monster seeking the complete annihilation of the grand race chosen by God. And you consistently fail to understand (or choose to disregard) that your behavior is not helping your argument or your side.


Don't believe I ever said those things buddy, or even accused you of pooing. So according to me, you have stuffed some words in my mouth. I will spit them out now.
 
2013-03-18 05:26:19 PM  

Amos Quito: NostroZ: So, you're argument is that AMERICA treats Israel favorably... which no duh, anyone can see.
My argument is that, except for America, the world has a huge bias against Israel.


Have you ever bothered to wonder why?

I'm pretty sure you have me on IGNORE, but just in case you don't...


Because everywhere else in the world except for America is chock-full of Jew-hating Nazis, duh.
 
2013-03-18 05:31:47 PM  

Amos Quito: NostroZ: So, you're argument is that AMERICA treats Israel favorably... which no duh, anyone can see.
My argument is that, except for America, the world has a huge bias against Israel.


Have you ever bothered to wonder why?


Something something "orgy of Jew hate"?

Just a guess.  Do I win anything?
 
2013-03-18 05:34:17 PM  
To clarify, NostroZ is an idiot and a liar. Any civilized person can, should and typically does take issue with the barbaric actions taken by the Israeli government against civilian refugees under their authority. Religion never even comes into it. Anyone claiming that 99% of the people who feel this way are just bigots is a troll or a malicious lunatic or both.
 
2013-03-18 05:35:21 PM  

Teufelaffe: Amos Quito: NostroZ: So, you're argument is that AMERICA treats Israel favorably... which no duh, anyone can see.
My argument is that, except for America, the world has a huge bias against Israel.


Have you ever bothered to wonder why?

I'm pretty sure you have me on IGNORE, but just in case you don't...

Because everywhere else in the world except for America is chock-full of Jew-hating Nazis, duh.


I do have Amos Quito on Ignore as a Jew-Hating Baiter.

I see you are out again to bait with questions like "I wonder why everyone hates the Jews..."

I know you're only asking questions and would not dare to say that a whole race/religion is evil and deserves the hate it receives... just asking questions... Learned from the master of ambiguous questions Glenn Beck?
www-deadline-com.vimg.net
Why don't you also ask some "questions" about Obama's birth certificate, etc... Just questions, totally not bigotry, RIGHT?
 
2013-03-18 05:35:47 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You don't have to hate Jews to dislike what Israel does.


That's true. But you have to admit, all the anti-Semites are going to dislike what Israel does, and they add a LOT of noise to the argument, hoping that they can subtly shift it over to hatred of Jews. It happens here on Fark with certain people who show up to every anti-Israel thread and also magically show up to every thread mentioning Jews.

Frankly, there's a lot of stuff Israel does and gets away with that I don't appreciate. (And before someone asks, Israel can fark off about Pollard. Even asking pisses me off.) But I don't bother in public forums because the well is so poisoned that it's nigh impossible to have an adult conversation about it.
 
2013-03-18 05:41:24 PM  

NostroZ: Teufelaffe: Amos Quito: NostroZ: So, you're argument is that AMERICA treats Israel favorably... which no duh, anyone can see.
My argument is that, except for America, the world has a huge bias against Israel.


Have you ever bothered to wonder why?

I'm pretty sure you have me on IGNORE, but just in case you don't...

Because everywhere else in the world except for America is chock-full of Jew-hating Nazis, duh.

I do have Amos Quito on Ignore as a Jew-Hating Baiter.

I see you are out again to bait with questions like "I wonder why everyone hates the Jews..."

I know you're only asking questions and would not dare to say that a whole race/religion is evil and deserves the hate it receives... just asking questions... Learned from the master of ambiguous questions Glenn Beck?
[www-deadline-com.vimg.net image 200x298]
Why don't you also ask some "questions" about Obama's birth certificate, etc... Just questions, totally not bigotry, RIGHT?


Yeah, you're bug-farking nuts.
 
2013-03-18 05:41:29 PM  

vygramul: cameroncrazy1984: You don't have to hate Jews to dislike what Israel does.

That's true. But you have to admit, all the anti-Semites are going to dislike what Israel does, and they add a LOT of noise to the argument, hoping that they can subtly shift it over to hatred of Jews. It happens here on Fark with certain people who show up to every anti-Israel thread and also magically show up to every thread mentioning Jews.

Frankly, there's a lot of stuff Israel does and gets away with that I don't appreciate. (And before someone asks, Israel can fark off about Pollard. Even asking pisses me off.) But I don't bother in public forums because the well is so poisoned that it's nigh impossible to have an adult conversation about it.


This is wise and informed..... Why is this on a forum?
 
2013-03-18 05:42:31 PM  
Remember, if you think what happened to Rachel Corrie was horrifying and unacceptable, you're an anti-Semite.
 
2013-03-18 05:46:12 PM  

vygramul: cameroncrazy1984: You don't have to hate Jews to dislike what Israel does.

That's true. But you have to admit, all the anti-Semites are going to dislike what Israel does, and they add a LOT of noise to the argument, hoping that they can subtly shift it over to hatred of Jews. It happens here on Fark with certain people who show up to every anti-Israel thread and also magically show up to every thread mentioning Jews.  (Amos Quito - he's talking about you)

Frankly, there's a lot of stuff Israel does and gets away with that I don't appreciate. (And before someone asks, Israel can fark off about Pollard. Even asking pisses me off.) But I don't bother in public forums because the well is so poisoned that it's nigh impossible to have an adult conversation about it.


This.... SO MUCH THIS!
I'm done with this thread... thank you Mr. Vygramul.  Done in one.
 
2013-03-18 05:57:30 PM  

NostroZ: vygramul: cameroncrazy1984: You don't have to hate Jews to dislike what Israel does.

That's true. But you have to admit, all the anti-Semites are going to dislike what Israel does, and they add a LOT of noise to the argument, hoping that they can subtly shift it over to hatred of Jews. It happens here on Fark with certain people who show up to every anti-Israel thread and also magically show up to every thread mentioning Jews.  (Amos Quito - he's talking about you)

Frankly, there's a lot of stuff Israel does and gets away with that I don't appreciate. (And before someone asks, Israel can fark off about Pollard. Even asking pisses me off.) But I don't bother in public forums because the well is so poisoned that it's nigh impossible to have an adult conversation about it.

This.... SO MUCH THIS!
I'm done with this thread... thank you Mr. Vygramul.  Done in one.


Do you also believe 9/11 was an inside job and the moon landing was faked?
 
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