ringersol: Who in their right mind has expectations of the peace process that *can* be lowered?

Not since Rabin was assassinated.

We get it guy, you will support anything Israel does, and support no limit to the amount of wasted money, lives and credibility are sunk into it.

Personally, since you repeat it often about "bbbbut you give money to Pakistan!!": fark Pakistan. As far as I'm concerned, pakistan can eat its own gun, and get its money from somewhere else. See how well they can live with a billion screaming hindu fanatics pouring across their border raping everything. Be interesting.

As can Isreal. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the entire region. Israel created it's current bed, they can lie in it without our tax dollars buying them a farking blanket.

the ha ha guy: NostroZ: the ha ha guy: Would you be happy with a similar plan to give back America to the descendants of the Inuit, Inca, Maya, and Native Americans, while all others are rounded up and forced into highly concentrated cities and shot on sight when they try to leave? Or do ancient land claims only count when it's someone else's land being taken?

Why don't you ask the Jordanians why they shoot the Palestinians when they try to leave, or the Egyptians, or the Lebanese.

Is your axe only sharp when Jews come to mind?


Killing civilians is wrong, regardless of the nationality of the bullet. When an Egyptian soldier shoots a civilian trying to leave Gaza, it's wrong. When an Israeli soldier shoots someone in the West Bank who took a wrong turn, it's wrong.

Uh huh... yet for some reason those articles do NOT get green lit, only one's about Israel... funny thing about Israel is that everyone is interested in nitpicking it.

That's what's anti-Semitic.  A double standard towards Israel / Jews that no other Middle-Eastern or even Western countries fully abide by.

NostroZ: captainktainer: cameroncrazy1984: NostroZ: Look, I have family members with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship.

Hang on, I thought nobody identified as Palestinian?

Oh, sweet Jesus, I can't believe I missed that. "No, really, I have x friends, so I'm not racist against x. I just think Israel needs more lebensraum - and not all the Israelis, just specifically the Jewish "

Listen buddy... I cannot help you with reading comprehension, that's all on your English teachers.
Here is the QUOTE from a PLO member to a Dutch paper in 1977... these ARE NOT MY WORDS, as I've said multiple times... Please read the whole post/quote and who it's referencing before you react.

Between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of ONE people, the Arab nation. Look, I have family members with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship. We are ONE people. Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity.

A separate Palestinian entity needs to fight for the national interest in the then remaining occupied territories. The Jordanian government cannot speak for Palestinians in Israel, Lebanon or Syria. Jordan is a state with specific borders. It cannot lay claim on - for instance - Haifa or Jaffa, while I AM entitled to Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem en Beersheba. Jordan can only speak for Jordanians and the Palestinians in Jordan. The Palestinian state would be entitled to represent all Palestinians in the Arab world en elsewhere. Once we have accomplished all of our rights in all of Palestine, we shouldn't postpone the unification of Jordan and Palestine for one second.

What's your farking point, why do you keep pasting that? Are you trying to use that to point out that only Jewy folks really belong there? Isn't that kind of ironic?

neongoats: We get it guy, you will support anything Israel does, and support no limit to the amount of wasted money, lives and credibility are sunk into it.

Personally, since you repeat it often about "bbbbut you give money to Pakistan!!": fark Pakistan. As far as I'm concerned, pakistan can eat its own gun, and get its money from somewhere else. See how well they can live with a billion screaming hindu fanatics pouring across their border raping everything. Be interesting.

As can Isreal. Iraq, Afghanistan, and the entire region. Israel created it's current bed, they can lie in it without our tax dollars buying them a farking blanket.

Mr.NeonGoats, I do not wish to engage with you in a discussion.
Your view of world politics is an extremist one that is so far divorced from reality that by simply trying to step into your shoes of "Fark everyone" I feel dumber.

cameroncrazy1984: NostroZ: That's what's anti-Semitic.  A double standard towards Israel / Jews that no other Middle-Eastern or even Western countries fully abide by.

When the Israel lobby stops in Congress then we'll stop criticizing it.

That's funny... do you also criticize Saudi Arabia that has a lobby?
Or the German lobby?
Or the Egyptian lobby?

Do you know how Congress works?  Everyone and anyone with influence has a lobby...
Yet, the JEWISH LOBBY gets special attention for you.

I wonder why... Ya Jew Hating Hyporcrite

If the History Channel is to be believed, Obama is Satan. I laughed when I saw this.

Keizer_Ghidorah: NostroZ: cameroncrazy1984: NostroZ: That's what's anti-Semitic.  A double standard towards Israel / Jews that no other Middle-Eastern or even Western countries fully abide by.

When the Israel lobby stops in Congress then we'll stop criticizing it.

That's funny... do you also criticize Saudi Arabia that has a lobby?
Or the German lobby?
Or the Egyptian lobby?

Do you know how Congress works?  Everyone and anyone with influence has a lobby...
Yet, the JEWISH LOBBY gets special attention for you.

I wonder why... Ya Jew Hating Hyporcrite

"The ONLY reason you say ANYTHING bad is because you're ANTI-SEMITE!!"

Sure it is, you silly child you.

Don't fight a straw-man like a coward.
My REAL argument is that Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for criticism that other countries are exempt from.

Go ahead and prove me wrong by showing your identical concern for world issues that are not Jewish... please tell me about Sudan and what's been going on there for the past 15 years and your real knowledge/concern about those people.  Go ahead, prove to me that you're not a Jew Hating Hypocrite.

Snarfangel: Kittypie070: Amos Quito: HI EVERYBODY!

GTFO or I will turn this place into my own personal litterbox

A. Quito never wins. :(

And a winner never Quitos?

Keizer_Ghidorah: Don't fight a straw-man like a coward.
My REAL argument is that Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for criticism that other countries are exempt from.

Go ahead and prove me wrong by showing your identical concern for world issues that are not Jewish... please tell me about Sudan and what's been going on there for the past 15 years and your real knowledge/concern about those people. Go ahead, prove to me that you're not a Jew Hating Hypocrite.
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That's easy. I don't give a shiat about anyone and anything over there. They've been slaughtering each other over retarded shiat for 2,000 years, and they're never going to stop. Far as I'm concerned we should stop giving ANY of them money and aid, pull our people out, and leave them to their own devices. Maybe they'll finally develop intelligence and stop their baby feud, or they'll completely destroy each other and no more fighting. Either way, the world wins.

Also, it might come as a total and utter shock to you, but people can dislike Israel and what they're doing for reasons that have nothing to do with "Hurpa durpa doooooooo I only hate da Joooooooooo".
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Excellent.  I'm glad your willfully ignorant to everyone... Be it Jewish or Sudanese genocide.
It's usually polite to keep your mouth shut when you do not know about things Mr.Keizer.

the ha ha guy: NostroZ: Go ahead and prove me wrong by showing your identical concern for world issues that are not Jewish... please tell me about Sudan and what's been going on there for the past 15 years and your real knowledge/concern about those people.  Go ahead, prove to me that you're not a Jew Hating Hypocrite.


"You hate that video of someone killing a puppy but you don't mention sea-kittens at all! Prove to me that you're not a Peta hating fish Hitler!"

Disliking one group does not imply support for another, nor does it compel the one commenting to list every action and group they dislike. Since the scope of the thread is the struggle between Israel and the terrorist groups fighting in the name of Palestine, struggles in other nations are not relevant to the discussion, even if they are worse than anything going on in Israel/Gaza/West Bank.

Fish Hitler is the name of my William Hung cover band.

lennavan: NostroZ: My REAL argument is that Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for criticism that other countries are exempt from.

Whoa, that's funny, because my REAL argument is Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for special treatment and praise that other countries are exempt from.

I'm glad someone has the balls to speak their mind, instead of dancing around their bias.

Here is some literature showing Antisemitism in America... these are peer reviewed sources to support my argument.
http://www.pbs.org/jewishamericans/jewish_life/anti-semitism.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/10/06/antisemitic-incidents-inc re ase-in-america-for-the-first-time-since-2004/

Please support your argument that Israel / Jews get a preferential treatment... otherwise you sound like a bigot who says "Jews conspire to get a better deal"

Kittypie070: Dear NostroZ or NoDoz or NozStrawz or whatever you are:

I have one very humble piece of advice for you.

If you want people to listen to and take seriously the world-shattering wisdom you feel you absolutely must impart to us lowdown booger-picking yokels, try drinking a nice relaxing cup of chamomile tea first.

Speaking at 480 decibels tends to put the audience off just a slight bit.

Fark off!
I'm not here to impart some world-shattering wisdom... I'm here to tell the haters that they are haters and provide anyone in between with FACTS of what's ACTUALLY going on vs. the Anti-Semite propaganda you call opinion... I'm not here to impress you or care if you WANT to listen to me... Block me for all I care.

Tell me I'm not as good as Tatsuma... I don't care... You're nuanced hatred is still that!  It's hatred and I will not look the other way.

I'm not about to sit idly by while this Jew Hating orgy goes wild, sowing falsehoods like "we don't get anything from Israel for our money" or like Mr.lennavan post who's word for word argument is "Israel, and Jews by extension, are singled out for special treatment and praise that other countries are exempt from."

So Fark Off for trying to tell me I'm not responding how you would like to hatred that has led to genocide in the past!

sillydragon: So is this the new and less troll-fu possessing version of everyone's favorite Israeli?

Not sure, but we've never seen Tatsuma and NostroZ together, have we?

sillydragon: So is this the new and less troll-fu possessing version of everyone's favorite Israeli?

BTW, am I an anti-semite if I think the Israeli government is a huge pile of douchebags, but it isn't because they're jewish?

Of course.  You see, what a person does and what their race is are inseparably linked.  So, if a black person cuts you off in traffic you and you object, you hate black people.  If an Asian stabs you in the face with an icepick and that pisses you off, you're totally racist against Asians.  If a Hispanic guy farks your dog and wipes his dick on the curtains, you'd better not say anything, or that will totally mean you're a racist scumbag.

NostroZ: So Fark Off

Are you the guy I asked to ratchet things down a bit last week?

This is Fark, not the UN. People here are douchebags (well, the UN too, sometimes). You're not here to convince people, you're here because your job is boring (or because Starbuck's has free weefees). You should be here to discuss, not make everything about you. You may feel persecuted, but this is not a place to come to feel solidarity with Israel.

This is a place where we happily burn your idols to the ground in front of your weeping children.

// I actually come here to find the holes in my arguments

cameroncrazy1984: You don't have to hate Jews to dislike what Israel does. Get down off your cross already.

You're right, you don't... but much like all KKK members hate African Americans, but not everyone who hates blacks is KKK, the same goes for the "I hate Israel crowd".

Yet, 99 times out of 100 they also hate Jews... the 1 out of a 100 is usually a person who cares about ALL world injustices, like Sudan, which has no Jews, but has terrible things going on there.

But, more often than not, when someone talks about Israel, they are talking about Jews... don't play stupid, you know this.

Dr Dreidel: NostroZ: So Fark Off

Are you the guy I asked to ratchet things down a bit last week?

This is Fark, not the UN. People here are douchebags (well, the UN too, sometimes). You're not here to convince people, you're here because your job is boring (or because Starbuck's has free weefees). You should be here to discuss, not make everything about you. You may feel persecuted, but this is not a place to come to feel solidarity with Israel.

This is a place where we happily burn your idols to the ground in front of your weeping children.

// I actually come here to find the holes in my arguments

Fair enough... I have been neglecting my work with this thread.

I hold no idols... you should know that's against my religion.

It just pains me to see such willful ignorance followed by seething hatred and no say a word.