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2013-03-18 10:44:50 AM
www.stanthony.org

Charlton Heston as a Jew in ancient Egypt.  Are you not amused?
 
2013-03-18 10:45:22 AM
He's a politician--aren't they all satanic?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-18 10:48:39 AM

s2s2s2: What real evidence is there that Jesus was brown?


Maybe he was an albino.
 
2013-03-18 10:49:11 AM

way south: unexplained bacon: [blu.stb.s-msn.com image 308x231]

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it's true this guy playing the devil doesn't really look that much like Obama, but he does look a bit like the 'evil Obama' pics that circulate among the fundie "Obama is a demon" crowds.

So a picture photoshopped to make Obama look like the devil happens to look like an actor dressed up to play the devil on a tv show.

How the hell does that happen...


both were intended to portray Obama as the devil?
 
makes no difference to me. This show and that actor doesn't amount to anything outrage worthy.
I'm not even outraged by the fact that there are so many fundie nutjobs who think Obama is actually a minion of satan. I didn't expect much from fundie nutjobs in the first place. Same goes for the channel that brought us this guy

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2013-03-18 10:49:20 AM

vpb: s2s2s2: What real evidence is there that Jesus was brown?

Maybe he was an albino.


Last week we had an article that he was a shape changer.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-18 10:50:45 AM
RickN99:

Well, Bush spent 8 years as "Hitler". It's been a long time since presidential discourse was rooted in reality.

Yeah, it's not like he started wars or had people tortured or imprisoned without due process or anything.  Totally not rooted in reality.
 
2013-03-18 10:51:23 AM

FlashHarry: s2s2s2: What real evidence is there that Jesus was brown?

the fact that, if he existed at all, he was born in the middle east 2000 years ago. and if you were born in the middle east 2000 years ago, it was almost certain that you were brown.


That isn't evidence. That's chance.
 
2013-03-18 10:54:14 AM

vudukungfu: Ennuipoet: Yeshua Ben Yosef.

Yeshua Ben Nazri?


Yeshua ben Miryam
 
2013-03-18 10:55:15 AM

s2s2s2: FlashHarry: s2s2s2: What real evidence is there that Jesus was brown?

the fact that, if he existed at all, he was born in the middle east 2000 years ago. and if you were born in the middle east 2000 years ago, it was almost certain that you were brown.

That isn't evidence. That's chance.


Mary was a native so she was probably not exactly lily white, but everyone knows god is white, so obviously Jesus was mixed and since god's genes were certainly dominate Jesus likely was light skinned.

duh
 
2013-03-18 10:55:40 AM
Isn't the Devil supposed to appear with a pleasing countenance? I'm thinking more like Elizabeth Hurley in "Bedazzled".
 
2013-03-18 10:56:47 AM

ElusiveWookiee: When I was watching it last night, Satan looked black.  I mean, charred by the fires of Hell BLACK.  Not "black person" black, which is brown, but black.  And never once did it cross my mind that he resembled Obama--either in skin tone or in facial structure.

I guess I need to try harder to be outraged.


I'm guessing most people who can say the first half of your first sentence don't have any trouble being outraged over just about anything.  Just probably not this.
 
2013-03-18 10:57:56 AM

untaken_name: unexplained bacon: riight...thanks for your input fella.

Read up on Chicago politics. Or stay ignorant. It's entirely your choice.


Study it out, if you will.
 
2013-03-18 10:58:49 AM

QueenOfHearts: Wrencher: QueenOfHearts: NutWrench: Nabb1: WorldCitizen: Sock Ruh Tease: Why is there an actor who plays Satan in a History Channel miniseries?

This is why I dropped cable.

Because one channel ran a show you don't like? That'll show 'em.

Well, if you don't appreciate The Bible on the HISTORY CHANNEL, you can always avail yourself to their many other fine, historical offerings, like Big Shrimpin', Cajun Pawn Stars, American Pickers, Hairy Bikers (I am NOT making this up!), UFO hunters, Shark Wranglers, Swamp People or Full Metal Jousting. If this is the best they can do, I'd rather ditch cable completely and read a book.

Don't forget all the crap on The Learning Channel, too...19 Kids and Counting, My Big Fat American Gypsy Wedding, Long Island Medium, Four Weddings, Here Comes Honey BooBoo, etc, etc...what exactly are we learning, here?

I killed my cable almost a year ago...the only thing I miss is football...the rabbit ears don't pick up shiat in my apartment...I just stream everything now.

They have one decent show: Vikings
But I don't watch it expecting historical accuracy, I watch it for the Vikings hacking up monks...and babes with swords.

I tried to watch that via The History Channel's app on my iPad...I couldn't get into it.  I guess I was expecting a documentary, not a movie-type miniseries.  I can definitely see the appeal though.  I ended up watching Larry the Cable Guy be Amish for a day instead...at least he actually talks about the history of the country...and embarrasses people along the way.


Don't forget Punkin' Humpin' (surprisingly SFW)
 
2013-03-18 11:00:30 AM

FlashHarry: a twofer. he looks like obama, AND he's played by a muslim!

have they shown jesus yet? is he blonde?


Probably--and undoubtedly blue-eyed as well. [/sarcasm]You know, because all middle-eastern Jews from the first century were blonde haired, blue eyed white men who never sunburned despite essentially living outdoors in the desert for three years[/sarcasm].

Though in the article's comments, someone asks why they didn't get comments from Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton on the Obama resemblance. I say, if they wanted a more accurate representation, they should have hired an actor that more closely resembled either Jackson or Sharpton and left the President out of it. (Just a small hint for my fundie brethren--Obama is not likely to be the Antichrist:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBhM4L-wiI0 )
 
2013-03-18 11:00:54 AM

s2s2s2: FlashHarry: s2s2s2: What real evidence is there that Jesus was brown?

the fact that, if he existed at all, he was born in the middle east 2000 years ago. and if you were born in the middle east 2000 years ago, it was almost certain that you were brown.

That isn't evidence. That's chance.


Care to answer the other question posed to you, professor? Any "real" evidence of his existence as religions portray him? Difficulty: bible =/= real.
 
2013-03-18 11:02:56 AM
Hahahhahahha Awesomeness to the bazillionth power...

Obama IS the devil, just ask anyone that's not getting free obamaphones and stuff.

Well, my first wife probably has him beat, but not by much.
Obama has teh pawr of teh balck, but my first wife was a redhead.  Evil incarnate.
 
2013-03-18 11:04:15 AM
But... but.... lucifer morningstar was the most beautiful of the host and does not age.

Why have they shown him to be a wrinkly dude who isn`t that good looking?

Don`t they remember that satan started out as an angel?
 
2013-03-18 11:04:34 AM

QueenOfHearts: I tried to watch that via The History Channel's app on my iPad...I couldn't get into it.  I guess I was expecting a documentary, not a movie-type miniseries.  I can definitely see the appeal though.  I ended up watching Larry the Cable Guy be Amish for a day instead...at least he actually talks about the history of the country...and embarrasses people along the way.


It's not a documentary but it is a pretty faithful retelling of an Old Norse saga. Ragnar's Saga to be exact. I imagine the Bible series is being treated the same way. That is, putting that story (even the mystical elements) on screen and not trying to come up with hokey midichlorian-type explanation for those elements.
 
2013-03-18 11:05:23 AM
Looks more like Michelle to me.
 
2013-03-18 11:05:43 AM
Always some white boy gotta invoke the holy books. Bust this: Those books are about how the white man keeps the brother man down, even long ago and far, far away. Check this shiat: You got cracker carpenter Jesus, Nazi poster boy, blond hair, blue eyes. And then you got Satan, the blackest brother in the world, Nubian demon!

What's a Nubian?

Shut the fark up! Now... Satan, he's a rebellious brother, y'know, down with the free will and all that good shiat. Then this cracker, Jesus, gets his hands on a crown of thorns and the boy decides he's gonna run the farkin' universe; gets a whole clan of whites. And they together go and bust up Satan's hood and throw him in a pit for a thousand years. Now what the fark do you call that?

The Book of Revelations?
 
2013-03-18 11:06:29 AM

Pair-o-Dice: Looks more like Michelle to me.


big butt, amiright?
 
2013-03-18 11:06:30 AM
Whilst we are on the subject, an antichrist is simply someone who does not believe the jesus myth so I guess there are a LOT (including all jews)
 
2013-03-18 11:08:05 AM
Silly theists.
 
2013-03-18 11:09:36 AM

Speaker2Animals: Care to answer the other question posed to you, professor? Any "real" evidence of his existence as religions portray him? Difficulty: bible =/= real.


Ahhhh, the common Christopher Hitchens fan.

Look--betting on or challenging someone to 'prove' the existence of God is a sucker's bet.  They can't do it.  You know they can't.  I know they can't.  If they're being honest, they know they can't.  But scornful disdain for a person's faith, such as that you're exhibiting, makes you a shiatty person, not them.  I'll never understand why anyone thinks Hitchens was smart.  Arguing about evidence where there is none is the most simple-minded schtick there is.  At least he made money off of it, his followers are just dolts.

Here's the thing--faith doesn't require proof.  Hell, not even scientific theory has been proven.  Once it is, we call it a law.  The law of gravity is a law because it has been proven.  The theory of relativity is still not proven, so it's still a theory.   Leave proof of God to theologians, and proof of relativity to physicists.  But don't be surprised when someone believes in something that can't be proven.

Get over yourself.
 
2013-03-18 11:12:26 AM
Hmm, two non-pale males...that's about the only resemblance.

Obama has a pointy chin, this actor has a square chin.
The actor's nose is turned up significantly more than Obama's.
Obama has smoother, younger looking features - no deep lines in his face.
Kind of hard to tell, but it looks like the actor's ears are significantly droopier than Obama's.
It also appears that he actor has a thicker neck than Obama.

So yeah, enough discrepancies for me to say that the actor doesn't resemble Obama as much as some people would like.

Manufactured outrage is manufactured.
 
2013-03-18 11:13:26 AM
....and Mark Burnett totally skipped out on the description of Satan in the Bible..I seriously doubt Satan would've appeared as a wrinkly old 100 yr old African in a black robe when he was trying to temp Jesus.

in the bible... His name originally was Lucifer and he was described like a bright morning star.  Satan was the greatest of all of God's creation.  The greatest of all the angels and the most being that God has ever created, including any human being ever made.  When he was created by God, there was nothing like him in the entire universe and in all of God's creation.

In Ezekiel 28:12-18 you will find God describing him:  "Thus says the Lord GOD, You had the seal of perfection, Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering: The ruby, the topaz, and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx, and the jasper; The lapis lazuli, the turquoise, and the emerald; And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets, was in you. On the day that you were created they were prepared. You were the anointed cherub who covers, and I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked in the midst of the stones of fire. You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created. Until unrighteousness was found in you."

Satan was of the highest rank of all angels created; greater in power and rank than even Michael and Gabriel.
 
2013-03-18 11:14:12 AM
i.imgur.com

Best Satan EVAR
 
2013-03-18 11:15:01 AM
Can we just dispense with the pleasantries. Lets get right down to it and point out that the entire Lucifer/Devil almost mirrors the more ancient mythology of the Canaanites of the god Attar who attempt to unseat the god Baal, was unsuccessful and thus descended to the underworld to rule it instead?

In fact there is almost no part of modern Christianity that doesn't in some way mirror large portions of the Canaanite mythos. Which is pretty damn funny when you think about it, since it was the Jewish people who over took and slaughter the people of Canaan after their exodus from Egypt.
 
2013-03-18 11:15:15 AM

SuperNinjaToad: ....and Mark Burnett totally skipped out on the description of Satan in the Bible..I seriously doubt Satan would've appeared as a wrinkly old 100 yr old African in a black robe when he was trying to temp Jesus.


The bible as interpreted by George Lucas.
 
2013-03-18 11:17:56 AM
So... you're saying a Muslim actor looks a lot like President Obama?  Yeah... we know...*WINK*
 
2013-03-18 11:18:00 AM

Gulper Eel: I'm thinking more like Elizabeth Hurley in "Bedazzled".


My first thought was Natalie Portman in my bedroom.
 
2013-03-18 11:20:06 AM
A black Muslim Satan? BAWAHAHAHAHA! You guys kill me!
 
2013-03-18 11:22:47 AM
To be fair, that would mean that Satan was also half white as well. So, really, maybe they are only trying to be equal opportunists.
 
2013-03-18 11:22:51 AM

Snort: [i.imgur.com image 600x400]

Best Satan EVAR


Yes!
 
xcv
2013-03-18 11:22:56 AM

MyKingdomForYourHorse: Can we just dispense with the pleasantries. Lets get right down to it and point out that the entire Lucifer/Devil almost mirrors the more ancient mythology of the Canaanites of the god Attar who attempt to unseat the god Baal, was unsuccessful and thus descended to the underworld to rule it instead?

In fact there is almost no part of modern Christianity that doesn't in some way mirror large portions of the Canaanite mythos. Which is pretty damn funny when you think about it, since it was the Jewish people who over took and slaughter the people of Canaan after their exodus from Egypt.


Hard to take seriously anything you wrote when that second part never happened.

There were lots of underworld gods myths already in Europe and the Middle East that could have been responsible for inspiring Christian development of the devil legend
 
2013-03-18 11:24:40 AM

Snort: [i.imgur.com image 600x400]

Best Satan EVAR


Not technically Satan.  That is "Darkness"
 
2013-03-18 11:25:26 AM

pnome: Snort: [i.imgur.com image 600x400]

Best Satan EVAR

Not technically Satan.  That is "Darkness"


I thought that was Charlie and Eddie Murphy...
 
2013-03-18 11:25:41 AM
That "Satan" does not even as much as resemble Obama in any way other than being black.  Seriously folks, unless better evidence than this then it is probably more evidence about the people making the accusation.

Now if only the only blacks in the series are bad guys and background characters then I could see accusation based on that.  Looking up the cast, I see the narrator is black which does not bode well for the idea.

Is Ham in this thing?  Ham being black is a traditional nonsense justification of racism commonly used by fundies.
 
2013-03-18 11:25:54 AM

unexplained bacon: pnome: Snort: [i.imgur.com image 600x400]

Best Satan EVAR

Not technically Satan.  That is "Darkness"

I thought that was Charlie and Eddie Murphy...


That was before Wesley Snipes.
 
2013-03-18 11:27:29 AM
Wow....a lot of people 'projecting' in this thread. I think it goes to show who the real racists are on FARK.
 
2013-03-18 11:31:02 AM

xcv: Hard to take seriously anything you wrote when that second part never happened.

There were lots of underworld gods myths already in Europe and the Middle East that could have been responsible for inspiring Christian development of the devil legend


I didn't say I believe in it, I only find the supposed timeline rather amusing as a backdrop when looking at modern Christianity.

They might have fled from somewhere, but some mass exodus out of Egypt would have been recorded elsewhere. The Egyptians were pretty good about keeping records. And even if say they were there, as slaves and all historical records would have been struck from every wall, tablet, etc.. (which would have left numerous amounts of evidence) , they would have never been allowed to work on things as say movies portray them.
 
2013-03-18 11:31:59 AM

The Muthaship: unexplained bacon: pnome: Snort: [i.imgur.com image 600x400]

Best Satan EVAR

Not technically Satan.  That is "Darkness"

I thought that was Charlie and Eddie Murphy...

That was before Wesley Snipes.


application.denofgeek.com
This is best Satan evar!
 
2013-03-18 11:32:02 AM

Nabb1: All valid points. At least the Bible, whether you believe or not, has historical significance as a book, and the stories it tells have significance beyond whether they are true or not by the sheer influence the had on shaping western civilization.


History and Discovery would occasionally run Bible documentaries back in the day. I would watch those.

Nabb1: section


The nosebleeds, section 640. I actually like it because I am not the brightest guy when it comes to football, and my seats are right on the 50 so I can see everything that's happening.

The times I have watched games from the loge I couldn't tell what the hell was going on.
 
2013-03-18 11:32:26 AM

arethereanybeernamesleft: Speaker2Animals: Care to answer the other question posed to you, professor? Any "real" evidence of his existence as religions portray him? Difficulty: bible =/= real.

Ahhhh, the common Christopher Hitchens fan.

Look--betting on or challenging someone to 'prove' the existence of God is a sucker's bet.  They can't do it.  You know they can't.  I know they can't.  If they're being honest, they know they can't.  But scornful disdain for a person's faith, such as that you're exhibiting, makes you a shiatty person, not them.  I'll never understand why anyone thinks Hitchens was smart.  Arguing about evidence where there is none is the most simple-minded schtick there is.  At least he made money off of it, his followers are just dolts.

Here's the thing--faith doesn't require proof.  Hell, not even scientific theory has been proven.  Once it is, we call it a law.  The law of gravity is a law because it has been proven.  The theory of relativity is still not proven, so it's still a theory.   Leave proof of God to theologians, and proof of relativity to physicists.  But don't be surprised when someone believes in something that can't be proven.

Get over yourself.



He said "Jesus", not God. Gravity is still "just a theory."

And I probably just got trolled. I could almost feel it when the hook got set.
 
2013-03-18 11:33:18 AM

s2s2s2: FlashHarry: s2s2s2: What real evidence is there that Jesus was brown?

the fact that, if he existed at all, he was born in the middle east 2000 years ago. and if you were born in the middle east 2000 years ago, it was almost certain that you were brown.

That isn't evidence. That's chance.


Yeah, well, if you see a turtle on top of a 3 foot stump, you don't figure he climbed up there....
 
2013-03-18 11:33:33 AM

Gulper Eel: Isn't the Devil supposed to appear with a pleasing countenance? I'm thinking more like Elizabeth Hurley in "Bedazzled".


Satan is ugly. He is a demon. Lucifer, on the other hand, is the pretty boy being a Fallen Angel and all. Back during Biblical times, they were two separate beings. (The trinity was Satan. Lucifer and Beezlebub. They controlled Hell with a legion of General and Captain Fallen Angels and demons under them. How they got jumbled up, I forget. Maybe some monks were tired of writing everything in long hand and just bunched them up to save time and wrists.)

Also, in this same miniseries they also have black and Asian angels, as well as a black Samson. But I don't see anyone pointing that out as well.
 
2013-03-18 11:34:40 AM
Hahahahahaha

/golf clapping
 
2013-03-18 11:35:34 AM

mekki: Gulper Eel: Isn't the Devil supposed to appear with a pleasing countenance? I'm thinking more like Elizabeth Hurley in "Bedazzled".

Satan is ugly. He is a demon. Lucifer, on the other hand, is the pretty boy being a Fallen Angel and all. Back during Biblical times, they were two separate beings. (The trinity was Satan. Lucifer and Beezlebub. They controlled Hell with a legion of General and Captain Fallen Angels and demons under them. How they got jumbled up, I forget. Maybe some monks were tired of writing everything in long hand and just bunched them up to save time and wrists.)

Also, in this same miniseries they also have black and Asian angels, as well as a black Samson. But I don't see anyone pointing that out as well.


Does black Samson look like The Rock?  Cuz that would be pretty cool.  And prove this was a Disney production.
 
2013-03-18 11:36:54 AM
 
2013-03-18 11:37:23 AM

gilgigamesh: Nabb1: All valid points. At least the Bible, whether you believe or not, has historical significance as a book, and the stories it tells have significance beyond whether they are true or not by the sheer influence the had on shaping western civilization.

History and Discovery would occasionally run Bible documentaries back in the day. I would watch those.


I love that kind of stuff, even though I'm not very religious.  I'm not so much into the dramatizations like this, but anything archaeological - Oh, yeah.

Nabb1: section

The nosebleeds, section 640. I actually like it because I am not the brightest guy when it comes to football, and my seats are right on the 50 so I can see everything that's happening.

The times I have watched games from the loge I couldn't tell what the hell was going on.


When I first started going with my father-in-law, it took some getting used to, but being able to see the offense from that angle is pretty cool - watching the holes open an close, getting the QB's perspective on play development.  The only thing I don't like is that we can't see the back of the end zone beneath us.  Oh, and the prices.  I get so pissed off about paying full season price for pre-season tickets.  Other than those two things, our seats are pretty cool.
 
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