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(Yahoo)   Having a bad day? At least you weren't traded by your team for "no compensation"   (sports.yahoo.com ) divider line 26
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2013-03-18 10:32:36 AM  
It's better than being traded to a team along with cash to absorb your contract
 
2013-03-18 10:43:57 AM  
That's because I have a real job, where people get fired with no compensation at the whim of the corporation, instead of playing a game with a contract for a minimum salary of $300,000.

/haven't ever been fired, but I work for a newspaper so I'm not going to get cocky
//not mad at ball players; they have a skill that I don't
 
2013-03-18 10:47:32 AM  
Kris Draper was once traded to the RedWings for $1.

\somehow it seems worse
 
2013-03-18 11:06:56 AM  
And say what you will about  Is Amaro is becoming a nihilist?

Walter sees what you did there.

What is the point of this, though? It can't be salary dump since he's probably making peanuts.
 
2013-03-18 11:10:12 AM  

JohnnyCanuck: Kris Draper was once traded to the RedWings for $1.

\somehow it seems worse


It's in that same field of logic as working with expected gratuities. If you get no tip you shrug it off as that person being an stingy arse. If you get a nickel as a tip you know they took the time to evaluate your efforts to be worth just better than nothing.
 
2013-03-18 11:11:05 AM  
The Phillies should have asked for Vin Scully in return. The Dodgers have experience in player/broadcaster trades.
 
2013-03-18 11:12:00 AM  
If I am ever the owner of a major sports franchise one of the first clauses that I'll have in my GM's contract is that you cannot trade someone for nothing. If you do you will owe me the entirity or that players contract and yours and you are not allowed to ever work for any media company ever. If you want to go work for another team then by all means go.
 
2013-03-18 11:31:31 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: It's better than being traded to a team along with cash to absorb your contract


It's sorta weird because this isn't a guy with a big contract.  The Phillies have a lot of contracts I'm sure they'd love to dump for nothing other than salary relief but a AAA pitcher?  What?
 
2013-03-18 11:45:50 AM  

you have pee hands: HaywoodJablonski: It's better than being traded to a team along with cash to absorb your contract

It's sorta weird because this isn't a guy with a big contract.  The Phillies have a lot of contracts I'm sure they'd love to dump for nothing other than salary relief but a AAA pitcher?  What?


Then there's this:

Combined over his last two seasons with Double-A Reading and Triple-A Lehigh Valley, Cisco tallied a 13-3 record along with six saves and a 1.70 ERA in 69 outings, all in relief.

That sounds like a guy who's worth something. At least one minor-leaguer in return.
 
2013-03-18 12:04:08 PM  
Got a player for nothing?


www.munsterfans.com
 
2013-03-18 12:24:02 PM  
At least he wasn't traded for livestock or a vending machine.
 
2013-03-18 01:00:58 PM  
How rare is this?  I mean, you're technically getting something: you're taking that player's contract off the books.
 
2013-03-18 01:07:55 PM  

downstairs: How rare is this?


I'm almost 40 and I've been watching baseball my whole life. This is the first time I've ever heard of a trade for no compensation.

There's been plenty of times a player has been given a release from contract (read: fired) then picked up by another team as a free agent, but I've never before heard of a team just giving a contract away with no exchange of consideration.

  I mean, you're technically getting something: you're taking that player's contract off the books.

If you're just trying to get positive numbers on the books, you get "cash considerations" added to the exchange. "We'll sell you this player's contract for a bucket of nickels and a cup of warm piss" is something.

I wonder what business school the GM attended, so that I can be sure never to hire any of their graduates.
 
2013-03-18 01:22:49 PM  
 
2013-03-18 01:48:50 PM  

BKITU: There's been plenty of times a player has been given a release from contract (read: fired) then picked up by another team as a free agent, but I've never before heard of a team just giving a contract away with no exchange of consideration.


Late season waiver claims (e.g. Alex Rios) are pretty close to trades with no compensation though usually the waiving team will get back some sort of organizational filler minor leaguer or some cash will go one way or the other.
 
2013-03-18 01:57:13 PM  
 
2013-03-18 02:05:22 PM  

downstairs: How rare is this?  I mean, you're technically getting something: you're taking that player's contract off the books.


My guess is that the Phillies GM did a favor for the Angels GM.  If they release him, he could potentially sign somewhere else, since they traded him, no other team has the opportunity to sign him.  Now the next time the Phillies want to talk about a deal with the Angels, the Phillies GM has another bargaining chip.

///Still sounds ridiculous.
 
2013-03-18 04:41:50 PM  
They usually use the term "future considerations," which can be anything -- a player, a draft pick, money, a couple rolls of hockey tape.
 
2013-03-18 05:31:57 PM  

bingethinker: They usually use the term "future considerations," which can be anything -- a player, a draft pick, money, a couple rolls of hockey tape.


The latter would be especially humiliating to a baseballer, no?
 
2013-03-18 06:01:10 PM  
It's possible that there was some technical consideration given by the Angels - otherwise technically there was no "consideration" and it's a non-contract, which may well be against league rules.
 
2013-03-18 07:48:15 PM  
Cisco kid, was a friend of mine.
 
2013-03-18 08:20:51 PM  

roc6783: downstairs: How rare is this?  I mean, you're technically getting something: you're taking that player's contract off the books.

My guess is that the Phillies GM did a favor for the Angels GM.  If they release him, he could potentially sign somewhere else, since they traded him, no other team has the opportunity to sign him.  Now the next time the Phillies want to talk about a deal with the Angels, the Phillies GM has another bargaining chip.

///Still sounds ridiculous.


Bargaining chip? What is he gonna say? "Hey  remember when we just, you know, gave you that player? Help us out!" "Nope, I don't remember that at all..."
 
2013-03-18 09:13:36 PM  

bingethinker: They usually use the term "future considerations," which can be anything -- a player, a draft pick, money, a couple rolls of hockey tape.


Wasn't someone traded for a bag o' balls once?  Maybe I remember that one from a movie or panel show with Bench. Fisk, and one or two other catchers.

Maybe those two nerds who were fighting over the sabre metric crap a few days ago will chime in.
 
2013-03-18 09:26:47 PM  

downstairs: How rare is this?  I mean, you're technically getting something: you're taking that player's contract off the books.


I don't think the Phillies even get that. First, the guy is a career minor leaguer, not on the 40 man roster, and is probably making what most AAA ballplayers make (not much, compared to the major league minimum.) Second, they still have to fill out their AAA team, so they've got to bring up someone to put in his spot and pay them whatever they were paying Cisco in the first place.
 
2013-03-19 11:57:08 AM  

knbwhite: bingethinker: They usually use the term "future considerations," which can be anything -- a player, a draft pick, money, a couple rolls of hockey tape.

Wasn't someone traded for a bag o' balls once?  Maybe I remember that one from a movie or panel show with Bench. Fisk, and one or two other catchers.

Maybe those two nerds who were fighting over the sabre metric crap a few days ago will chime in.


I dunno about a bag o' balls for sure, because I think that's just a colloquialism. But there was John Odom, who got traded for 10 bats.. Turns out he couldn't clear immigration to go to Canada, so the team had to send him back to a U.S. team.

/depressing coda - he died from heroin OD six months later
 
2013-03-19 02:34:34 PM  

phyrkrakr: knbwhite: bingethinker: They usually use the term "future considerations," which can be anything -- a player, a draft pick, money, a couple rolls of hockey tape.

Wasn't someone traded for a bag o' balls once?  Maybe I remember that one from a movie or panel show with Bench. Fisk, and one or two other catchers.

Maybe those two nerds who were fighting over the sabre metric crap a few days ago will chime in.

I dunno about a bag o' balls for sure, because I think that's just a colloquialism. But there was John Odom, who got traded for 10 bats.. Turns out he couldn't clear immigration to go to Canada, so the team had to send him back to a U.S. team.

/depressing coda - he died from heroin OD six months later


There was a hockey player who was traded for a bus. But buses are expensive, so that's not too bad.
 
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