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(Daily Mail)   Colorado sheriff says he will not enforce the state's new gun control laws, because it's not like there have been any major shootings in Colorado in the past   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-03-18 09:26:04 AM  
Can't have the murder rate go down, that'll just encourage the gun grabbers.
 
2013-03-18 10:09:11 AM  
Is his name Pete?
or Pete?
 
2013-03-18 10:17:31 AM  
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2013-03-18 10:17:41 AM  
There he is fired. Boy that was easy.
 
2013-03-18 10:17:50 AM  
If he won't enforce the law (his job), he should be fired.
 
2013-03-18 10:18:47 AM  
Didn't we just have this thread over the weekend?
 
2013-03-18 10:21:55 AM  
What other laws will he ignore?
 
2013-03-18 10:21:56 AM  
I'm OK with this.
 
2013-03-18 10:22:38 AM  

Thisbymaster: There he is fired. Boy that was easy.


jonohull: If he won't enforce the law (his job), he should be fired.


Sheriffs are ELECTED.
 
2013-03-18 10:24:11 AM  
So, I know state emplyoed officers can choose to follow state laws instead of federal ones if they contradict, but the state's federal officers must follow federal law.

So what happens when a state officer choose not to enforce state law? Who fires them? Or at least, who job is it to negotiate with them?
 
2013-03-18 10:24:36 AM  
Yes and those shooting broke numerous federal laws but I am sure this last one taking guns away will do the trick.......
 
2013-03-18 10:24:59 AM  
"Colorado sheriff says he will not enforce the state's new gun control laws, because it's not like there have not been any major shootings in Colorado in the past by law-abiding citizens exercising their constitutional rights"

There, fixed that headline.

How many people are killed by drunk drivers each day...are we banning everything but low alcohol content drinks? How many people are stabbed each day...are we banning everything but small Swiss Army knives?

Why don't we try treating criminals like criminals first, and see where that gets us? Why not put people in prision for mandatory 50 years if they use a gun in a crime?
 
2013-03-18 10:25:17 AM  

lenfromak: I'm OK with this.


I am, too.
 
2013-03-18 10:27:23 AM  

phenn: lenfromak: I'm OK with this.

I am, too.


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2013-03-18 10:27:34 AM  

jonohull: If he won't enforce the law (his job), he should be fired.


Then we need far more cops on the beat with radar guns, because these people who are driving 26 mph in a 25 mph zone are breaking the law and it must be stopped now or guy/gal in charge should be fired.

NEWSFLASH: He's trying to tell you that if he went about trying to enforce a bullshiat law properly, his deputies wouldn't have time to investigate murders, robberies, and the like.  Given the resources at hand, like every other law enforcement official in the country, he has to prioritize what crimes will get the most attention.  Enforcement is never black and white and never has been.
 
2013-03-18 10:28:13 AM  
It's just expanded background checks. It's not like they're taking guns away.
 
2013-03-18 10:30:02 AM  

hdhale: jonohull: If he won't enforce the law (his job), he should be fired.

Then we need far more cops on the beat with radar guns, because these people who are driving 26 mph in a 25 mph zone are breaking the law and it must be stopped now or guy/gal in charge should be fired.

NEWSFLASH: He's trying to tell you that if he went about trying to enforce a bullshiat law properly, his deputies wouldn't have time to investigate murders, robberies, and the like.  Given the resources at hand, like every other law enforcement official in the country, he has to prioritize what crimes will get the most attention.  Enforcement is never black and white and never has been.


NEWSFLASH:  Enforcing the gun laws would also impact and help their investigations in murders, robberies, and the like.
 
2013-03-18 10:32:19 AM  

Alphakronik: NEWSFLASH:  Enforcing the gun laws would also impact and help their investigations in murders, robberies, and the like.


How?
 
2013-03-18 10:33:09 AM  
Libs: Don't call illegal aliens "illegal aliens". Also, we won't fund stronger border protection and we want to give illegal aliens undocumented workers access to free health care.
Libs: What do you mean you are going to choose not to enforce an unconstitutional law that we passed? HOW DARE YOU!
 
2013-03-18 10:34:12 AM  

CraicBaby: It's just expanded background checks. It's not like they're taking guns away.


it's also banning magazines with a capacity over 15 rounds. AR-15s and kalashnikov style rifles use 30 round magazines as the standard. you want your sheriff and his deputies going around confiscating every ar or ak mag in the county?

this is the part he's calling unenforceable.
 
2013-03-18 10:37:21 AM  

hdhale: jonohull: If he won't enforce the law (his job), he should be fired.

Then we need far more cops on the beat with radar guns, because these people who are driving 26 mph in a 25 mph zone are breaking the law and it must be stopped now or guy/gal in charge should be fired.

NEWSFLASH: He's trying to tell you that if he went about trying to enforce a bullshiat law properly, his deputies wouldn't have time to investigate murders, robberies, and the like.  Given the resources at hand, like every other law enforcement official in the country, he has to prioritize what crimes will get the most attention.  Enforcement is never black and white and never has been.


If he doesn't want to investigate how criminals get their weapons on the black market, sans background checks (ya, this Sheriff also opposes the new law requiring universal background checks... he thinks the 10 dollar fee is unconstitutional)... then all we're going to end up with is a new round of murderers getting their weapons from the same sources.

Ultimately though, this isn't about just discretion, its about whether or not law enforcement can simply ignore the will of the democratically elected legislature and simply do whatever the hell they feel like... if a law enforcement officer simply decides he has the veto power instead, and can tell his officers they can't enforce the law, is he fulfilling his oath?
 
2013-03-18 10:37:33 AM  

CraicBaby: It's just expanded background checks.


Except for the parts that aren't.
 
2013-03-18 10:37:43 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: CraicBaby: It's just expanded background checks. It's not like they're taking guns away.

it's also banning magazines with a capacity over 15 rounds. AR-15s and kalashnikov style rifles use 30 round magazines as the standard. you want your sheriff and his deputies going around confiscating every ar or ak mag in the county?

this is the part he's calling unenforceable.


They don't have to take away the rifles, the owners just have to, you know, comply with the law and use smaller magazines(they're called plugs, my dad had to put them in his shotguns after he moved off the Reserves he worked on).
 
2013-03-18 10:38:13 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: CraicBaby: It's just expanded background checks. It's not like they're taking guns away.

it's also banning magazines with a capacity over 15 rounds. AR-15s and kalashnikov style rifles use 30 round magazines as the standard. you want your sheriff and his deputies going around confiscating every ar or ak mag in the county?

this is the part he's calling unenforceable.


Or every magazine extender. There's a lot of them to take a 15/10 round to a 30 round. Magazine limits really only work on initial sale size. Beyond that it's simply too easy to expand the magazine.
 
2013-03-18 10:38:34 AM  
Hey!  The article is totally correct -- the $10 background check law would have stopped Harris and Klebold from illegally getting their guns and killing those other students.  Because if there's ONE law that all criminals respect, it's a background check law.

And, if they are a special breed of desperado and ignore the background check law, then they'll get caught when they register their illegal weapon with the state.

How can the cops possibly think this law won't be effective?
 
2013-03-18 10:39:10 AM  

phenn: Alphakronik: NEWSFLASH:  Enforcing the gun laws would also impact and help their investigations in murders, robberies, and the like.

How?


*facepalm*
 
2013-03-18 10:39:22 AM  

phenn: Alphakronik: NEWSFLASH:  Enforcing the gun laws would also impact and help their investigations in murders, robberies, and the like.

How?


How would identifying sources of weapons used in the commission of a crime help? Uhh, I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say that if you find the guy supplying the guns to people without background checks (one of the laws the Sheriff doesn't want to enforce), you could put a reasonable choke on the black market for firearms locally, substantially raising the cost of criminal activity.
 
2013-03-18 10:40:34 AM  
How many people are killed by drunk drivers each day...are we banning everything but low alcohol content drinks?

They do pass increasingly tough drunk driving laws all the time.
 
2013-03-18 10:40:46 AM  

firefly212: phenn: Alphakronik: NEWSFLASH:  Enforcing the gun laws would also impact and help their investigations in murders, robberies, and the like.

How?

How would identifying sources of weapons used in the commission of a crime help? Uhh, I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say that if you find the guy supplying the guns to people without background checks (one of the laws the Sheriff doesn't want to enforce), you could put a reasonable choke on the black market for firearms locally, substantially raising the cost of criminal activity.


You will never, ever beat the black market. That's a pipe dream.
 
2013-03-18 10:41:25 AM  
I'm a Marine core soldier, and only men with advanced training should have guns.
 
2013-03-18 10:41:52 AM  

Flappyhead: The_Original_Roxtar: CraicBaby: It's just expanded background checks. It's not like they're taking guns away.

it's also banning magazines with a capacity over 15 rounds. AR-15s and kalashnikov style rifles use 30 round magazines as the standard. you want your sheriff and his deputies going around confiscating every ar or ak mag in the county?

this is the part he's calling unenforceable.

They don't have to take away the rifles, the owners just have to, you know, comply with the law and use smaller magazines(they're called plugs, my dad had to put them in his shotguns after he moved off the Reserves he worked on).


but if we've established that these people are law-abiding, why have the restriction? they abide by the law and mass shootings are already illegal, so they're not going to use their 16+ round magazines in mass shootings anyway. what's the purpose of the law? oh, it's a knee-jerk reaction that accomplishes nothing... like the sheriff said.
 
2013-03-18 10:41:52 AM  

firefly212: is he fulfilling his oath


Was his oath to the law, or the lawmakers? If the lawmakers create a law that he feels contradicts higher laws, should he enforce it?
 
2013-03-18 10:43:19 AM  

RickN99: Hey!  The article is totally correct -- the $10 background check law would have stopped Harris and Klebold from illegally getting their guns and killing those other students.  Because if there's ONE law that all criminals respect, it's a background check law.

And, if they are a special breed of desperado and ignore the background check law, then they'll get caught when they register their illegal weapon with the state.

How can the cops possibly think this law won't be effective?


The law is as effective as they make it... the reality is the Governor and legislature just gave them a tool to help curb illegal arms trafficking within the state, they can look at where robbers got guns, and put the small minority of private firearms distributors unscrupulous enough to make money off of giving criminals guns where they belong, in jail. You'd think cops would be *for* a law to keep people from just selling guns out of their trunks to persons unknown... but when you introduce partisan asshattery into the equation, they'll be all for giving criminals the guns the cops will get shot with.
 
2013-03-18 10:43:22 AM  
And because gun control laws have totally stopped all the mass shootings...like in California and NY.....
 
2013-03-18 10:44:13 AM  

nirwana: I'm a Marine core soldier, and only men with advanced training should have guns.


I'm a Delta Force SEAL, so I'm good to go.
 
2013-03-18 10:44:20 AM  
He's afraid of REPEATING guns
 
2013-03-18 10:45:06 AM  
Drew at Fark + The more trolly the thread = Approved.
 
2013-03-18 10:45:36 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: Didn't we just have this thread over the weekend?


Yesterday, in fact.
 
2013-03-18 10:45:43 AM  

phenn: firefly212: phenn: Alphakronik: NEWSFLASH:  Enforcing the gun laws would also impact and help their investigations in murders, robberies, and the like.

How?

How would identifying sources of weapons used in the commission of a crime help? Uhh, I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say that if you find the guy supplying the guns to people without background checks (one of the laws the Sheriff doesn't want to enforce), you could put a reasonable choke on the black market for firearms locally, substantially raising the cost of criminal activity.

You will never, ever beat the black market. That's a pipe dream.


Did I say beat? No... I said put a reasonable choke on it, driving up the cost, making criminal activity with firearms more expensive with more barriers to entry. Beating the black market, ya, that's pretty much a never gonna happen pipe dream, putting a dent in it... that's a reasonable thing to do.
 
2013-03-18 10:45:48 AM  

firefly212: You'd think cops would be *for* a law to keep people from just selling guns out of their trunks to persons unknown


How is it going to do that?
 
2013-03-18 10:46:44 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: nirwana: I'm a Marine core soldier, and only men with advanced training should have guns.

I'm a Delta Force SEAL, so I'm good to go.


I'm a Navy Ranger, so I'm okay.
 
2013-03-18 10:47:27 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: firefly212: is he fulfilling his oath

Was his oath to the law, or the lawmakers? If the lawmakers create a law that he feels contradicts higher laws, should he enforce it?



His feelings aren't relevant, if he believes the law is overly vague or unconstitutional, he should address that with the courts... he doesn't get veto power to tell his officers they can't enforce the law simply because of his feelings.
 
2013-03-18 10:48:21 AM  
The photo in the article looks like it was taken at a luncheon of the Angry White Men with Bad Facial Hair Society.
 
2013-03-18 10:48:22 AM  
Newsflash:  Colorado is home to the premier manufacturer of standard capacity (30 rnd) magazines and ar-15 accessories (Magpul Industries, Inc.).  After the passage of these laws, basically making their major product line illegal for civilians to own in their state, Magpul has cancelled all LEO orders in Colorado and has made the decision to move it's manufacturing facilities out of the state, taking with it thousands of jobs.

Newsflash:  I just thought "Newsflash" was how we were supposed to start our posts now.

nirwana: I'm a Marine core soldier, and only men with advanced training should have guns.


I'm sure you're one of those guys who is gonna come to my house and protect me if I need you to right?  How long would it take you to get here?  After I'm dead?
 
2013-03-18 10:49:20 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: CraicBaby: It's just expanded background checks. It's not like they're taking guns away.

it's also banning magazines with a capacity over 15 rounds. AR-15s and kalashnikov style rifles use 30 round magazines as the standard. you want your sheriff and his deputies going around confiscating every ar or ak mag in the county?

this is the part he's calling unenforceable.


Okay, that part's a little bit retarded. They should at least bump it up to 30 since it's a standard for certain guns.
 
2013-03-18 10:50:18 AM  

firefly212: he doesn't get veto power to tell his officers they can't enforce the law simply because of his feelings.


The guys we elect to decide how best to enforce laws don't get to decide how to enforce laws, or in this case they don't get to say "It's impossible to enforce this unconstitutional law"? What the hell are we electing them for?
 
2013-03-18 10:50:51 AM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: firefly212: is he fulfilling his oath

Was his oath to the law, or the lawmakers? If the lawmakers create a law that he feels contradicts higher laws, should he enforce it?


Oooh, this looks like a fun game.  OK, what higher laws are we talking about?
 
2013-03-18 10:52:39 AM  
Also, law enforcement selectively enforces laws all the time.  This guy just admitted he was going to do it.
 
2013-03-18 10:54:13 AM  

CraicBaby: Okay, that part's a little bit retarded. They should at least bump it up to 30 since it's a standard for certain guns.


Yes, but the folks creating these asinine laws in the first place firmly believe that anything greater than 1 (but they'll "compromise" at 10) is high capacity. Explain to them that most semi-auto guns' standard capacity is greater than that and you'll just get asked why you support dead children.
 
2013-03-18 10:55:16 AM  

Flappyhead: Oooh, this looks like a fun game. OK, what higher laws are we talking about?


State constitution, in his case. National constitution, ultimately.
 
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