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(Fox News)   Problem: Farm animals are being abused while being taken to slaughter, do you A. Impose higher standards for animal welfare B. Prosecute those responsible for animal abuse or C. Make it illegal to record videos at the slaughterhouse   (foxnews.com) divider line 159
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2013-03-18 07:35:41 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: seriously. have you EVER TRIED SUFFERING without FEELING HATE
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE because the suffering just disappears as soon as you stop hating


You sound jesusy.
 
2013-03-18 07:39:49 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: jso2897: WhiskeyBoy: I love crap like blah blah blah blah blah etc."

Yeah. You're right - abusers are a small minority, and not representative. That's why it stinks that these creeps are trying to make laws that will make it harder to expose them.

The problem with the undercover cameramen is lack of context. What appears like abuse to a guy in a Portland coffee house may be how it's suppose to be. I've butchered hogs, cattle, goats, chickens etc. Some of it looks cruel if you are clueless to it. Slaughtering livestock is not nice and tidy, nor can it be made that way


Probably true, and a reasonable argument of defense - but not an argument for making these laws. If what you do is defensible, why would you want people to be banned by law from recording it?
People in business NEVER want to be inconvenienced, or publicly embarrassed. I don't blame them - neither do I. But in the grown-up world of big boys and girls, we don't get that luxury.
Or I don't, anyway - why should they?
We need to abandon this weird social conviction that business and money are sacred and sacrosanct - it's extremely unwholesome for our entire society.
 
2013-03-18 08:06:16 AM

jso2897: Mid_mo_mad_man: jso2897: WhiskeyBoy: I love crap like blah blah blah blah blah etc."

Yeah. You're right - abusers are a small minority, and not representative. That's why it stinks that these creeps are trying to make laws that will make it harder to expose them.

The problem with the undercover cameramen is lack of context. What appears like abuse to a guy in a Portland coffee house may be how it's suppose to be. I've butchered hogs, cattle, goats, chickens etc. Some of it looks cruel if you are clueless to it. Slaughtering livestock is not nice and tidy, nor can it be made that way

Probably true, and a reasonable argument of defense - but not an argument for making these laws. If what you do is defensible, why would you want people to be banned by law from recording it?
People in business NEVER want to be inconvenienced, or publicly embarrassed. I don't blame them - neither do I. But in the grown-up world of big boys and girls, we don't get that luxury.
Or I don't, anyway - why should they?
We need to abandon this weird social conviction that business and money are sacred and sacrosanct - it's extremely unwholesome for our entire society.


 
/p>
Are you allowed to walk into any other place of business and just start taping events? I think not. A private company should be able to bar access to its activities. The packing industry has been harassed for a long time. Maybe they need help keeping trouble at bay
 
2013-03-18 08:09:15 AM
Allow me to be the first to say...so farking what? They're food.
 
2013-03-18 08:13:50 AM

GAT_00: Hmm, possibly Republican government, but banning the filming of cops has been across the board.  Let's just take a look...

5 of 6 GOP, and of course we're doing it.  And the California bill is GOP introduced.  Can't get in the way of profits now can we Republicans?  Must pray to the all mighty dollar.  I wonder which odious piece of shiat introduced our version of it.  Oh ALEC, I should have known.


Republicans take your money to protect their business, democrats take your money to protect their unions.

But the republicans are so much worse because I'm I liberal!
 
2013-03-18 08:19:02 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Eddie Ate Dynamite: Can we grow meat with no brains or pain receptors yet? Come on, science!

I've hunted my own food. I'm okay with killing something else so that I can eat things that are part of the natural diet of humans. But it'd be nice if poor little critters didn't have to suffer so much, just because they make a tasty burger.

I saw a movie a while back with Claire Danes in it. She played some autistic girl who came up with all sorts of ways to make the slaughtering process work better and be less cruel at the same time. I wonder how much success the chick she was portraying had in getting that stuff implemented.

/Could probably wikipedia it
//Won't

THEY DONT farkING SUFFER
BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE HATRED AND OTHER HUMAN EMOTIONS

seriously.  have you EVER TRIED SUFFERING without FEELING HATE
IT IS IMPOSSIBLE because the suffering just disappears as soon as you stop hating


What? I'm really not sure how to take this post. This simply can't be how you think. Nobody's that retarded and still able to use a computer. So it has to be something else. Are you attempting to make some underlying point about my post by going way over the top with the derp? Or...I don't know. It's a mystery. Maybe that's the point, some sort of meta troll?
 
2013-03-18 08:19:23 AM
A great American writer once wrote: "civilization begins the day the walls go up at the slaughterhouse". No pictures is just a virtual wall so I'm ok with this.
 
2013-03-18 08:23:44 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.

The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage


As we all know, people will always do the same thing when they know a camera is taking their picture as when they believe there are none...

/you can't possibly be this dumb and survived past puberty.
 
2013-03-18 08:24:00 AM

Frederick: Something, something, Upton Sinclair something Corporatocracy.


SWEET JESUS; I'm not alone.

 

Mid_mo_mad_man: jso2897: Mid_mo_mad_man: jso2897: WhiskeyBoy: I love crap like blah blah blah blah blah etc."
Yeah. You're right - abusers are a small minority, and not representative. That's why it stinks that these creeps are trying to make laws that will make it harder to expose them.

The problem with the undercover cameramen is lack of context. What appears like abuse to a guy in a Portland coffee house may be how it's suppose to be. I've butchered hogs, cattle, goats, chickens etc. Some of it looks cruel if you are clueless to it. Slaughtering livestock is not nice and tidy, nor can it be made that way

Probably true, and a reasonable argument of defense - but not an argument for making these laws. If what you do is defensible, why would you want people to be banned by law from recording it?
People in business NEVER want to be inconvenienced, or publicly embarrassed. I don't blame them - neither do I. But in the grown-up world of big boys and girls, we don't get that luxury.
Or I don't, anyway - why should they?
We need to abandon this weird social conviction that business and money are sacred and sacrosanct - it's extremely unwholesome for our entire society.
/p>
Are you allowed to walk into any other place of business and just start taping events? I think not. A private company should be able to bar access to its activities. The packing industry has been harassed for a long time. Maybe they need help keeping trouble at bay


That's not funny.  The packing industry makes politicians look like Nancy Drew.
You need to get out more and stop eating Pink Slime for christ sake
 
2013-03-18 08:33:16 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: whither_apophis: If only cows had guns...

/bad cow pun

how is this funny

the cows are the innocent ones that want to die
the humans are the evil turds with gun fighting fetishes


Not sure if serious, though if you are you might want to see this humorous animation.
 
2013-03-18 08:35:38 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.

The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage

As we all know, people will always do the same thing when they know a camera is taking their picture as when they believe there are none...

/you can't possibly be this dumb and survived past puberty.




Have you read any of my posts? The big problem is most people (you included) wouldn't know what's cruelty is? There are many farming and butchering activities that seem cruel if you dont know whats going on. All footage is useless out of context
 
2013-03-18 08:37:55 AM
On one hand, "abuse" in almost any form is bad, no reason to prolong something painful to any living thing except rapists, etc.

But on the other hand, I love a good steak, and would go club a cow if i knew for a fact it had the most tender prime rib cut just waiting to be carved out. My wife and I saw fast food nation, for some reason we thought it was a comedy? but i left wanting a burger or a steak and better jobs for people. I dont know what that says about me.
 
2013-03-18 08:38:51 AM

Marcintosh: Frederick: Something, something, Upton Sinclair something Corporatocracy.

SWEET JESUS; I'm not alone.

 Mid_mo_mad_man: jso2897: Mid_mo_mad_man: jso2897: WhiskeyBoy: I love crap like blah blah blah blah blah etc."
Yeah. You're right - abusers are a small minority, and not representative. That's why it stinks that these creeps are trying to make laws that will make it harder to expose them.

The problem with the undercover cameramen is lack of context. What appears like abuse to a guy in a Portland coffee house may be how it's suppose to be. I've butchered hogs, cattle, goats, chickens etc. Some of it looks cruel if you are clueless to it. Slaughtering livestock is not nice and tidy, nor can it be made that way

Probably true, and a reasonable argument of defense - but not an argument for making these laws. If what you do is defensible, why would you want people to be banned by law from recording it?
People in business NEVER want to be inconvenienced, or publicly embarrassed. I don't blame them - neither do I. But in the grown-up world of big boys and girls, we don't get that luxury.
Or I don't, anyway - why should they?
We need to abandon this weird social conviction that business and money are sacred and sacrosanct - it's extremely unwholesome for our entire society.
/p>
Are you allowed to walk into any other place of business and just start taping events? I think not. A private company should be able to bar access to its activities. The packing industry has been harassed for a long time. Maybe they need help keeping trouble at bay

That's not funny.  The packing industry makes politicians look like Nancy Drew.
You need to get out more and stop eating Pink Slime for christ sake




I've lived my whole life in the agriculture industry tyvm. I've forgetten more about life then you know.
 
2013-03-18 08:42:24 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.

The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage

As we all know, people will always do the same thing when they know a camera is taking their picture as when they believe there are none...

/you can't possibly be this dumb and survived past puberty.

Have you read any of my posts? The big problem is most people (you included) wouldn't know what's cruelty is? There are many farming and butchering activities that seem cruel if you dont know whats going on. All footage is useless out of context


I think skinning an animal while still alive is a good litmus test of torture.
 
2013-03-18 08:45:46 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.

The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage

As we all know, people will always do the same thing when they know a camera is taking their picture as when they believe there are none...

/you can't possibly be this dumb and survived past puberty.

Have you read any of my posts? The big problem is most people (you included) wouldn't know what's cruelty is? There are many farming and butchering activities that seem cruel if you dont know whats going on. All footage is useless out of context

I think skinning an animal while still alive is a good litmus test of torture.


Alive or nervous reactions causing twitching? Big differance
 
2013-03-18 08:50:06 AM

Bravo Two: Allow me to be the first to say...so farking what? They're food.


Right?  What's the humane way to cut off a cow's head?  Guillotine?
 
2013-03-18 08:51:03 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.

The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage

As we all know, people will always do the same thing when they know a camera is taking their picture as when they believe there are none...

/you can't possibly be this dumb and survived past puberty.

Have you read any of my posts? The big problem is most people (you included) wouldn't know what's cruelty is? There are many farming and butchering activities that seem cruel if you dont know whats going on. All footage is useless out of context

I think skinning an animal while still alive is a good litmus test of torture.

Alive or nervous reactions causing twitching? Big differance


what did i say?
 
2013-03-18 08:51:53 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.

The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage

As we all know, people will always do the same thing when they know a camera is taking their picture as when they believe there are none...

/you can't possibly be this dumb and survived past puberty.

Have you read any of my posts? The big problem is most people (you included) wouldn't know what's cruelty is? There are many farming and butchering activities that seem cruel if you dont know whats going on. All footage is useless out of context

I think skinning an animal while still alive is a good litmus test of torture.


Intent is important.  Were they skinned alive because the person got some perverse pleasure out of it. Or were they skinned alive because that's the cheapest/best way to process the animal?
 
2013-03-18 08:52:37 AM

Molavian: Bravo Two: Allow me to be the first to say...so farking what? They're food.

Right?  What's the humane way to cut off a cow's head?  Guillotine?


well, theoretically, hiring a bunch of ninjas to come in the night to destroy their brain and kill them instantly without noise or awareness would be more humane. But then we'd have to hire a bunch of Pirates, to keep the load balanced.
 
2013-03-18 08:54:17 AM

fozziewazzi: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.

The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage

As we all know, people will always do the same thing when they know a camera is taking their picture as when they believe there are none...

/you can't possibly be this dumb and survived past puberty.

Have you read any of my posts? The big problem is most people (you included) wouldn't know what's cruelty is? There are many farming and butchering activities that seem cruel if you dont know whats going on. All footage is useless out of context

I think skinning an animal while still alive is a good litmus test of torture.

Intent is important.  Were they skinned alive because the person got some perverse pleasure out of it. Or were they skinned alive because that's the cheapest/best way to process the animal?


let's think about that for a moment:

dead - no squirming, easy to handle
alive - squirming squealing, hard to handle

which might be easier, cheaper, more efficient.... hmmmm this one is a hard one.
 
2013-03-18 08:55:07 AM

Bravo Two: Molavian: Bravo Two: Allow me to be the first to say...so farking what? They're food.

Right?  What's the humane way to cut off a cow's head?  Guillotine?

well, theoretically, hiring a bunch of ninjas to come in the night to destroy their brain and kill them instantly without noise or awareness would be more humane. But then we'd have to hire a bunch of Pirates, to keep the load balanced.


yeah, but it's cheap... you can pay the Pirates in Rum.
 
2013-03-18 08:55:12 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.

The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage

As we all know, people will always do the same thing when they know a camera is taking their picture as when they believe there are none...

/you can't possibly be this dumb and survived past puberty.

Have you read any of my posts? The big problem is most people (you included) wouldn't know what's cruelty is? There are many farming and butchering activities that seem cruel if you dont know whats going on. All footage is useless out of context

I think skinning an animal while still alive is a good litmus test of torture.

Alive or nervous reactions causing twitching? Big differance

what did i say?




I'm asking do you know the difference? I'm doubting you do. What may look alive isnt always so.
 
2013-03-18 08:58:49 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

[lots-of-text]
Have you read any of my posts? The big problem is most people (you included) wouldn't know what's cruelty is? There are many farming and butchering activities that seem cruel if you dont know whats going on. All footage is useless out of context

I think skinning an animal while still alive is a good litmus test of torture.

Alive or nervous reactions causing twitching? Big differance

what did i say?

I'm asking do you know the difference? I'm doubting you do. What may look alive isnt always so.


I don't give a shiat how much you THINK something is alive or dead... dead things don't squeal.

/no matter how crazy a motherfarker is they don't explode when sunlight hits em.
 
2013-03-18 08:58:52 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Alive or nervous reactions causing twitching? Big differance


www.fatwallet.com
 
2013-03-18 09:07:41 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: fozziewazzi: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.

The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage

As we all know, people will always do the same thing when they know a camera is taking their picture as when they believe there are none...

/you can't possibly be this dumb and survived past puberty.

Have you read any of my posts? The big problem is most people (you included) wouldn't know what's cruelty is? There are many farming and butchering activities that seem cruel if you dont know whats going on. All footage is useless out of context

I think skinning an animal while still alive is a good litmus test of torture.

Intent is important.  Were they skinned alive because the person got some perverse pleasure out of it. Or were they skinned alive because that's the cheapest/best way to process the animal?

let's think about that for a moment:

dead - no squirming, easy to handle
alive - squirming squealing, hard to handle

which might be easier, cheaper, more efficient.... hmmmm this one is a hard one.


I'd like to think of it this way, what is more likely - a) the owner of a meat processing plant is having his workers skin animals alive because that's the easiest, quickest, cheapest way to do it, b) the owner is clueless on how to run an efficient meat processing business or c) he's some sick pervo and enjoys seeing meat processed this way despite the increased costs.
 
2013-03-18 09:17:05 AM

alienated: GAT_00: And the California bill is GOP introduced

which means it will never even make to to the floor. which is good. even if passed- jerry will veto it.


community.secondlife.com

The GOP in this state couldn't get a resolution wishing the President happy birthday out of committee, much less something as asinine as this. Patterson is just trolling the Assembly...and proving how far out of touch even our Republicans are. Although to be fair to them, I imagine more than one GOP'er in the Assembly is doing a double-facepalm over this.
 
2013-03-18 09:18:45 AM

fozziewazzi: Intent is important. Were they skinned alive because the person got some perverse pleasure out of it. Or were they skinned alive because that's the cheapest/best way to process the animal?

let's think about that for a moment:

dead - no squirming, easy to handle
alive - squirming squealing, hard to handle

which might be easier, cheaper, more efficient.... hmmmm this one is a hard one.

I'd like to think of it this way, what is more likely - a) the owner of a meat processing plant is having his workers skin animals alive because that's the easiest, quickest, cheapest way to do it, b) the owner is clueless on how to run an efficient meat processing business or c) he's some sick pervo and enjoys seeing meat processed this way despite the increased costs.



The answer is always C, but I had the lasagna.
I hate to break this to you, but people in power are attracted to that power and are petty and corrupt (or a perv as you put it). The type of personality that is attracted to that type of business in preference of other viable options are generally people you do not want to know unless you are one of them. These types of people* generally lack social skills, are either VERY quiet or rowdy as hell outside the office, and have little or no empathy for other people. They also generally have no empathy whatsoever for any animals. They view animals as nothing more than poop factories or walking pieces of meat with no consideration at all for the pain they inflict. They will generally use the excuse of "I didn't think it could feel pain" when confronted, despite the fact they know full well that the animal was in excruciating pain from the torture they inflicted (which is the main reason they like doing what they do, but will never admit that).

/yes I have known people like this - they DO exist
//if they weren't slaughtering animals, it would be people

*people is loosely used in this context.
 
2013-03-18 09:18:47 AM
D. Whatever, fire up the grill!
 
2013-03-18 09:25:09 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: fozziewazzi: Intent is important. Were they skinned alive because the person got some perverse pleasure out of it. Or were they skinned alive because that's the cheapest/best way to process the animal?

let's think about that for a moment:

dead - no squirming, easy to handle
alive - squirming squealing, hard to handle

which might be easier, cheaper, more efficient.... hmmmm this one is a hard one.

I'd like to think of it this way, what is more likely - a) the owner of a meat processing plant is having his workers skin animals alive because that's the easiest, quickest, cheapest way to do it, b) the owner is clueless on how to run an efficient meat processing business or c) he's some sick pervo and enjoys seeing meat processed this way despite the increased costs.


The answer is always C, but I had the lasagna.
I hate to break this to you, but people in power are attracted to that power and are petty and corrupt (or a perv as you put it). The type of personality that is attracted to that type of business in preference of other viable options are generally people you do not want to know unless you are one of them. These types of people* generally lack social skills, are either VERY quiet or rowdy as hell outside the office, and have little or no empathy for other people. They also generally have no empathy whatsoever for any animals. They view animals as nothing more than poop factories or walking pieces of meat with no consideration at all for the pain they inflict. They will generally use the excuse of "I didn't think it could feel pain" when confronted, despite the fact they know full well that the animal was in excruciating pain from the torture they inflicted (which is the main reason they like doing what they do, but will never admit that).

/yes I have known people like this - they DO exist
//if they weren't slaughtering animals, it would be people

*people is loosely used in this context.




Have you ever been outside the city in your life? Most farmers/ranchers/butchers are the nicest people you will meet. Your profile claims your from India. So you right to judge people is void.
 
2013-03-18 09:30:32 AM

Green Scorpio: I'm a voracious omnivore and I think I'll have a salad for lunch today...


Since I live in California where mistreating animals is seriously against the law, and whistle-blowers are protected, I think I'll have a grilled chicken breast with alfredo sauce for lunch (leftovers from last night).
 
2013-03-18 09:34:49 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: fozziewazzi: Intent is important. Were they skinned alive because the person got some perverse pleasure out of it. Or were they skinned alive because that's the cheapest/best way to process the animal?

let's think about that for a moment:

dead - no squirming, easy to handle
alive - squirming squealing, hard to handle

which might be easier, cheaper, more efficient.... hmmmm this one is a hard one.

I'd like to think of it this way, what is more likely - a) the owner of a meat processing plant is having his workers skin animals alive because that's the easiest, quickest, cheapest way to do it, b) the owner is clueless on how to run an efficient meat processing business or c) he's some sick pervo and enjoys seeing meat processed this way despite the increased costs.


The answer is always C, but I had the lasagna.
I hate to break this to you, but people in power are attracted to that power and are petty and corrupt (or a perv as you put it). The type of personality that is attracted to that type of business in preference of other viable options are generally people you do not want to know unless you are one of them. These types of people* generally lack social skills, are either VERY quiet or rowdy as hell outside the office, and have little or no empathy for other people. They also generally have no empathy whatsoever for any animals. They view animals as nothing more than poop factories or walking pieces of meat with no consideration at all for the pain they inflict. They will generally use the excuse of "I didn't think it could feel pain" when confronted, despite the fact they know full well that the animal was in excruciating pain from the torture they inflicted (which is the main reason they like doing what they do, but will never admit that).

/yes I have known people like this - they DO exist
//if they weren't slaughtering animals, it would be people

*people is loosely used in this context.

Have you ever been outside the city in your life? Most farmers/ranchers/butchers are the nicest people you will meet. Your profile claims your from India. So you right to judge people is void.


You are just dumb as a box of stumps aren't you? Do you really, honestly believe what is in my profile? WOW, that is just levels of dumb I have never encountered before. I am sorry for you.

I was not speaking about farmers, ranchers, or butchers as you may have noticed from my distinct lack of typing any of those things in. I will spell it out for you: Slaughterhouse management and personnel who get into the work because they enjoy inflicting pain.

Please learn remedial English and work on your comprehension skills as they are sorely lacking.
 
2013-03-18 09:35:43 AM

Stone Meadow: Green Scorpio: I'm a voracious omnivore and I think I'll have a salad for lunch today...

Since I live in California where mistreating animals is seriously against the law, and whistle-blowers are protected, I think I'll have a grilled chicken breast with alfredo sauce for lunch (leftovers from last night).


Would you mind FedExing some this way?
 
2013-03-18 09:37:37 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: jso2897: Mid_mo_mad_man: jso2897: WhiskeyBoy: I love crap like blah blah blah blah blah etc."

Yeah. You're right - abusers are a small minority, and not representative. That's why it stinks that these creeps are trying to make laws that will make it harder to expose them.

The problem with the undercover cameramen is lack of context. What appears like abuse to a guy in a Portland coffee house may be how it's suppose to be. I've butchered hogs, cattle, goats, chickens etc. Some of it looks cruel if you are clueless to it. Slaughtering livestock is not nice and tidy, nor can it be made that way

Probably true, and a reasonable argument of defense - but not an argument for making these laws. If what you do is defensible, why would you want people to be banned by law from recording it?
People in business NEVER want to be inconvenienced, or publicly embarrassed. I don't blame them - neither do I. But in the grown-up world of big boys and girls, we don't get that luxury.
Or I don't, anyway - why should they?
We need to abandon this weird social conviction that business and money are sacred and sacrosanct - it's extremely unwholesome for our entire society.

 
/p>
Are you allowed to walk into any other place of business and just start taping events? I think not. A private company should be able to bar access to its activities. The packing industry has been harassed for a long time. Maybe they need help keeping trouble at bay


You may not be allowed to do it - and nobody is talking about forcing them to "allow" it. They are asking for the power to have the act criminally prosecuted.
If there were already laws on the books that specified that for business in general, they would not be asking to have these laws made - they are asking for special protection for their industry by creating a new category of criminal law.
 
2013-03-18 09:47:19 AM
Then it's settled: In N' Out Burger for lunch.
 
2013-03-18 10:00:04 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Mid_mo_mad_man: HindiDiscoMonster: fozziewazzi: Intent is important. Were they skinned alive because the person got some perverse pleasure out of it. Or were they skinned alive because that's the cheapest/best way to process the animal?

let's think about that for a moment:

dead - no squirming, easy to handle
alive - squirming squealing, hard to handle

which might be easier, cheaper, more efficient.... hmmmm this one is a hard one.

I'd like to think of it this way, what is more likely - a) the owner of a meat processing plant is having his workers skin animals alive because that's the easiest, quickest, cheapest way to do it, b) the owner is clueless on how to run an efficient meat processing business or c) he's some sick pervo and enjoys seeing meat processed this way despite the increased costs.


The answer is always C, but I had the lasagna.
I hate to break this to you, but people in power are attracted to that power and are petty and corrupt (or a perv as you put it). The type of personality that is attracted to that type of business in preference of other viable options are generally people you do not want to know unless you are one of them. These types of people* generally lack social skills, are either VERY quiet or rowdy as hell outside the office, and have little or no empathy for other people. They also generally have no empathy whatsoever for any animals. They view animals as nothing more than poop factories or walking pieces of meat with no consideration at all for the pain they inflict. They will generally use the excuse of "I didn't think it could feel pain" when confronted, despite the fact they know full well that the animal was in excruciating pain from the torture they inflicted (which is the main reason they like doing what they do, but will never admit that).

/yes I have known people like this - they DO exist
//if they weren't slaughtering animals, it would be people

*people is loosely used in this context.

Have you ever been outside the c ...


So the fresh in the USA Mexicans doing most of the work in the industry are sadist? That's good to know
 
2013-03-18 10:00:07 AM

Frederick: Something, something, Upton Sinclair something Corporatocracy.


It's a jungle out there.
 
2013-03-18 10:01:19 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: Stone Meadow: Green Scorpio: I'm a voracious omnivore and I think I'll have a salad for lunch today...

Since I live in California where mistreating animals is seriously against the law, and whistle-blowers are protected, I think I'll have a grilled chicken breast with alfredo sauce for lunch (leftovers from last night).

Would you mind FedExing some this way?


To India? I don't mind, brah, but the 'dry ice charge' is likely to be excessive... ;^)
 
2013-03-18 10:44:41 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: I don't think they really separate meat from scared animals out from the meat of relaxed ones. Your value brand hot dogs are made from the amalgamated scraps of any carcass they could scrape some meat from. But yeah, fear changes the flavor of the meat.
 Problem: animals aren't stupid. I mean, they are, but they know the smell of death. They understand, on some level, what a trip to the slaughterhouse means, and their instincts are going to tell them to get the fark out of there. So how do you force a 1000lb animal that really, really doesn't want to die to go calmly to its death?


A little late here, and coffee hasn't kicked in so DRTFT completely. You may want to read up on Temple Grandin, an autistic woman who pioneered new slaughterhouse methods that vastly reduce stress on the animals, based in large part on her experiences with autism. Using new equipment and facility architecture, the animals are kept calm and largely oblivious to what's about to happen as they're herded into the slaughterhouse.
 
2013-03-18 10:45:30 AM

Stone Meadow: HindiDiscoMonster: Stone Meadow: Green Scorpio: I'm a voracious omnivore and I think I'll have a salad for lunch today...

Since I live in California where mistreating animals is seriously against the law, and whistle-blowers are protected, I think I'll have a grilled chicken breast with alfredo sauce for lunch (leftovers from last night).

Would you mind FedExing some this way?

To India? I don't mind, brah, but the 'dry ice charge' is likely to be excessive... ;^)


It's okay, he works for Microsoft Suppport Systems (Yes, with 3 p's) and will walk you through Event Viewer to show you your infected computer.  Then they will remotely access your machine from Logmein to "clean" your machine.  He's rolling in the dough.
 
2013-03-18 11:50:33 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Have you ever been outside the city in your life? Most farmers/ranchers/butchers are the nicest people you will meet. Your profile claims your from India. So you right to judge people is void.

You are just dumb as a box of stumps aren't you? Do you really, honestly believe what is in my profile? WOW, that is just levels of dumb I have never encountered before. I am sorry for you.

I was not speaking about farmers, ranchers, or butchers as you may have noticed from my distinct lack of typing any of those things in. I will spell it out for you: Slaughterhouse management and personnel who get into the work because they enjoy inflicting pain.

Please learn remedial English and work on your comprehension skills as they are sorely lacking.

So the fresh in the USA Mexicans doing most of the work in the industry are sadist? That's good to know


Notice the two things I said in my post... like I said. Please learn remedial English and work on your comprehension skills (or lack thereof as it is in this case).

I am done with you. I am afraid you are just too dumb to comprehend simple English at this point, and therefore, unable to handle a basic conversation without turning the derp to 11.
 
2013-03-18 11:54:38 AM
DIAF for the people who abuse livestock

/got no problem with harvesting meat
//serious problem with abuse
 
2013-03-18 12:09:16 PM
Mid_mo_mad_man: Marcintosh: Frederick: Something, something, Upton Sinclair something Corporatocracy.
SWEET JESUS; I'm not alone.
 Mid_mo_mad_man: jso2897: Mid_mo_mad_man: jso2897: WhiskeyBoy: I love crap like blah blah blah blah blah etc."
Yeah. You're right - abusers are a small minority, and not representative. That's why it stinks that these creeps are trying to make laws that will make it harder to expose them.
The problem with the undercover cameramen is lack of context. What appears like abuse to a guy in a Portland coffee house may be how it's suppose to be. I've butchered hogs, cattle, goats, chickens etc. Some of it looks cruel if you are clueless to it. Slaughtering livestock is not nice and tidy, nor can it be made that way
Probably true, and a reasonable argument of defense - but not an argument for making these laws. If what you do is defensible, why would you want people to be banned by law from recording it?
People in business NEVER want to be inconvenienced, or publicly embarrassed. I don't blame them - neither do I. But in the grown-up world of big boys and girls, we don't get that luxury.
Or I don't, anyway - why should they?
We need to abandon this weird social conviction that business and money are sacred and sacrosanct - it's extremely unwholesome for our entire society.
/p>
Are you allowed to walk into any other place of business and just start taping events? I think not. A private company should be able to bar access to its activities. The packing industry has been harassed for a long time. Maybe they need help keeping trouble at bay
That's not funny.  The packing industry makes politicians look like Nancy Drew.
You need to get out more and stop eating Pink Slime for christ sake


I've lived my whole life in the agriculture industry tyvm. I've forgetten more about life then you know.


Sorry to hear about your Alzheimer's
Well, that and you should get out more, you know, while you can.
 
2013-03-18 12:53:19 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.

The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage



Because I am positive they'd invite you to feel free to film whatever you wanted.

DUH!!
 
2013-03-18 01:13:59 PM
One recorded last year by Compassion over Killing at Central Valley Meats in Hanford, Calif. showed a worker standing on a downed dairy cow's nostrils to suffocate it and others repeatedly shot in the head, prompting several fast-food hamburger to cancel contracts, at least temporarily.

Animal welfare groups say investigations take weeks because the operatives nose around only when they aren't performing the duties for which they were hired.


Oooo, nice one
 
2013-03-18 01:14:12 PM

Cold_Sassy: Mid_mo_mad_man: The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage

Because I am positive they'd invite you to feel free to film whatever you wanted. DUH!!


It's not trespassing if you're hired and expected to show up for work. And who has told a lie in this scenario? Somehow I doubt that the average farm or slaughter house asks its prospective employees, "Are you now or have you ever been a member of [insert long list of suspect NGOs]?" No...if anything they tell you they'll fire your ass if they catch you with a camera, and maybe threaten you with a lawsuit.

Moreover, "criminalizing" whistle-blower activities in mundane commercial and industrial settings places society on a slippery slope. What will be next? Will your employer get to send you to prison for smoking ciggies when the company discovers via Monday morning urinalysis that you smoked at a cocktail party last Saturday night, in violation of the company's no-smoking policy? Or get you 2 to 5 years for claiming a B average at college when it turns out you got a C+?

This is a dystopian future so repulsive not even Alito can stomach it. So as I said earlier, this is just Patterson trolling the Assembly on behalf of his leash holders.
 
2013-03-18 01:19:11 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.


You know, normally that phrase refers to the amount of blood that comes out, the instinctive sympathetic reaction to watching a living being die, even if you're a meat-eater, the fairly-disgusting way uncooked and unpackaged flesh looks...

Not  skinning a calf alive.
 
2013-03-18 01:29:10 PM

PsiChick: You know, normally that phrase refers to the amount of blood that comes out, the instinctive sympathetic reaction to watching a living being die, even if you're a meat-eater, the fairly-disgusting way uncooked and unpackaged flesh looks...


Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man
 
2013-03-18 02:27:58 PM
michaelchinen.com

It's the American Way!
 
2013-03-18 03:05:25 PM

whither_apophis: If only cows had guns...

/bad cow pun


It's the chickens with choppers I'm worried about.
 
2013-03-18 04:41:57 PM

NephilimNexus: [michaelchinen.com image 500x338]

It's the American Way!


Look at all that meat!
 
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