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(Fox News)   Problem: Farm animals are being abused while being taken to slaughter, do you A. Impose higher standards for animal welfare B. Prosecute those responsible for animal abuse or C. Make it illegal to record videos at the slaughterhouse   (foxnews.com) divider line 149
    More: Sick, standards, slaughter, video cameras, American Legislative Exchange Council, HSUS, state legislators, California State University-Chico  
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2013-03-17 10:30:02 PM
Something, something, Upton Sinclair something Corporatocracy.
 
2013-03-17 10:39:21 PM
Why is ALEC pumping so much money into this issue?
 
2013-03-17 11:21:28 PM
If only cows had guns...

/bad cow pun
 
2013-03-17 11:23:28 PM
Those who mistreat animals, even the animals we use as food are scumbags.

If you live in any states where these laws are proposed it is incumbent upon you to contact your legislators and let them know these laws are making them an accessory to animal abuse.
 
2013-03-17 11:49:11 PM
Hmm, possibly Republican government, but banning the filming of cops has been across the board.  Let's just take a look...

5 of 6 GOP, and of course we're doing it.  And the California bill is GOP introduced.  Can't get in the way of profits now can we Republicans?  Must pray to the all mighty dollar.  I wonder which odious piece of shiat introduced our version of it.  Oh ALEC, I should have known.
 
2013-03-17 11:52:11 PM

whither_apophis: If only cows had guns...

/bad cow pun


Yeah, then we'd steer clear of them.
 
2013-03-17 11:55:57 PM
 
2013-03-18 12:39:10 AM

GAT_00: Hmm, possibly Republican government, but banning the filming of cops has been across the board.  Let's just take a look...

5 of 6 GOP, and of course we're doing it.  And the California bill is GOP introduced.  Can't get in the way of profits now can we Republicans?  Must pray to the all mighty dollar.  I wonder which odious piece of shiat introduced our version of it.  Oh ALEC, I should have known.


What is that stream of consciousness? Beat poetery?

In case you didn't realize it the SCOTUS let stand a lower Court's decision about videotaping police in public is always allowed.
 
2013-03-18 12:56:12 AM

feckingmorons: GAT_00: Hmm, possibly Republican government, but banning the filming of cops has been across the board.  Let's just take a look...

5 of 6 GOP, and of course we're doing it.  And the California bill is GOP introduced.  Can't get in the way of profits now can we Republicans?  Must pray to the all mighty dollar.  I wonder which odious piece of shiat introduced our version of it.  Oh ALEC, I should have known.

What is that stream of consciousness? Beat poetery?

In case you didn't realize it the SCOTUS let stand a lower Court's decision about videotaping police in public is always allowed.


1. they are police
2. its in public

Slaughterhouses are on private lands where civilians work.

/Just pointing that out. I am not taking a side in this post. Please accept this as neutral.
 
2013-03-18 12:56:45 AM
Meat is murder.
 
2013-03-18 12:58:58 AM

cman: 1. they are police2. its in publicSlaughterhouses are on private lands where civilians work./Just pointing that out. I am not taking a side in this post. Please accept this as neutral.


Yes, that is true. I'm not sure what our Beat Poet was on about in that whole post. Just trying to help him sort his meaning. Not that he can see anything I post, but that is his own choice.
 
2013-03-18 01:12:56 AM

Bucky Katt: Meat is murder.


Tasty murder.
 
2013-03-18 01:24:28 AM

Bucky Katt: Meat is murder.


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"And murder tastes good."
 
2013-03-18 01:27:42 AM

Bucky Katt: Meat is murder.


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/free Nelson Mandela!
 
2013-03-18 01:46:45 AM

ox45tallboy: Bucky Katt: Meat is murder.

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/free Nelson Mandela!


we already freed him.

/Oh
 
2013-03-18 03:14:02 AM
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2013-03-18 03:15:38 AM
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The Answer is C.
 
2013-03-18 03:16:06 AM
So... when it increases corporate revenues off the tax paying public using cameras to capture minor legal infractions is a good thing. And when it decreases corporate revenues it's a bad thing.

I want to become a corporation and stop being a person. Corporations get away with shiat that would have persons put away.
 
2013-03-18 03:22:20 AM
It makes sense if you're a meat producer.
 
2013-03-18 03:22:34 AM

ox45tallboy: Bucky Katt: Meat is murder.



/free Nelson Mandela!


Where? He's going for over $10/pound at my local bodega.
 
2013-03-18 03:31:15 AM
I don't care if my food is tortured or cuddled.
 
2013-03-18 03:32:24 AM
Video or it didn't happen
 
2013-03-18 03:33:23 AM
The GOP rationale for this is really disgusting, it's total hypocrisy.  They're claiming they have to ban filming for the animal's sake, that people allowed to film would rather film than get help.
 
2013-03-18 03:33:27 AM
There's a difference between torture and 'motivation'.
 
2013-03-18 03:34:45 AM
PETA will be angry again. I wonder what bold gimmick they're gonna do to protest this one. Remember when PETA did a steamy controversial scene at the Superbowl 2 years ago.

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2013-03-18 03:36:22 AM

feckingmorons: Those who mistreat animals, even the animals we use as food are scumbags.


Yeah, this.
I don't have any moral issue with eating meat as I simply don't believe (no matter how much I love my pets) that animals are equivalent to persons, but I'm certainly not callous enough to think that they don't feel pain.  I don't want my meat tortured before I eat it, and anyone who would do such a thing must have a sense of empathy that is defective on an almost sociopathic level.  It is often mentioned (and it is true) that animal torture is a common behavior for young psycho/sociopaths.
 
2013-03-18 03:38:37 AM
I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.
 
2013-03-18 03:42:19 AM
I'm surprised it's not pay-per-view.
 
2013-03-18 03:44:29 AM

Gawdzila: feckingmorons: Those who mistreat animals, even the animals we use as food are scumbags.

Yeah, this.
I don't have any moral issue with eating meat as I simply don't believe (no matter how much I love my pets) that animals are equivalent to persons, but I'm certainly not callous enough to think that they don't feel pain.  I don't want my meat tortured before I eat it, and anyone who would do such a thing must have a sense of empathy that is defective on an almost sociopathic level.  It is often mentioned (and it is true) that animal torture is a common behavior for young psycho/sociopaths.


It's also a common behavior for those who have a hand in bringing meat to market. Curiously enough, folks who raise/slaughter livestock for a living aren't so delicate in their sensibilities as the vast majority of people who benefit from their labors...

Sorry to say, your diet hinges on a whole lot of people you'd probably rather not associate with. By necessity...
 
2013-03-18 03:44:58 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.


Came here to say basically this. Also who isn't to say some of this footage was cherry picked out of thousands of hours of recording. Show me a job or trade that is perfect in handling of their duties 100% of the time and I will show you a magic bean.

//doesn't agree with unwarranted animal abuse
//but people aren't perfect either
 
2013-03-18 03:46:23 AM

Yogimus: I don't care if my food is tortured or cuddled.


actually meat that is less stressed when butchered has been proven to be better in taste. my value brand hot dogs probably came from tortured meat though but the chems cover it up pretty well.
 
2013-03-18 03:55:06 AM
FTA: "[Other bills] make it a crime for someone such as an animal welfare advocate to lie on an application to get a job at a plant."

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2013-03-18 03:55:21 AM

Bucky Katt: Meat is murder.


ALEC is lobotomy.
 
2013-03-18 04:00:58 AM

NewportBarGuy: Why is ALEC pumping so much money into this issue?


Your ALEC wants steak.
 
2013-03-18 04:01:50 AM
All of these different bills are costing too much money to implement.

Let's just have one national law that says anyone responsible for a news story that increases the heart rate, respiration, or blood pressure of anyone in the Elite 1% will be guilty of attempted murder.

After that, we can do away with ALEC and save even more money.
 
2013-03-18 04:02:42 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.


Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.
 
2013-03-18 04:02:44 AM
Ag-gag laws, in five states. Welcome to another aspect of the corporate state.
 
2013-03-18 04:04:00 AM

RabidJade: Also who isn't to say some of this footage was cherry picked out of thousands of hours of recording.


There's really no pleasant way to go about it.
 
2013-03-18 04:04:49 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.


Truth.

Now, back to watching The Walking Dead.
 
2013-03-18 04:07:40 AM
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2013-03-18 04:09:08 AM

ox45tallboy: Hey, it worked for Abu Ghraib.


Works in middle schools, too.
 
2013-03-18 04:10:31 AM

doglover: Mid_mo_mad_man: I'm ok with the banning of filming at slaughter houses. The business of butchering animals is never going to be pleasant.

Doesn't mean they should ban cameras.

The truth is life is vicious and bloody. People should know.

People should also know when is appropriate to show such videos and when is not.

You'll never legislate morality.




The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage
 
2013-03-18 04:17:23 AM
ALEC has labeled those who interfere with animal operations "terrorists," though a spokesman said he wishes now that the organization had called its legislation the "Freedom to Farm Act" rather than the "Animal and Ecological Terrorism Act."

I think we can safely add "terrorist" and "terrorism" to the list of words that no longer have any actual meaning whatsoever aside from being a general pejorative. List already includes "socialist", "liberal", "statist" (thought I don't think that one ever actually had a proper meaning at all) and of course "intellectual elite".

Then there are words that aren't pejorative yet still meaningless such as "freedom" and "democracy." I'm pretty sure those two lost all meaning when they became synonymous with dropping bombs on people, or as we used to call it, "terrorism."
 
2013-03-18 04:19:26 AM

7KQ201_McKittrick: Video or it didn't happen


Here  y'go.  Graphic.
 
2013-03-18 04:19:45 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The problem is the trespassing and lying to obtain the footage


No need to pass laws against trespass, as that's ALREADY illegal.

As for the lying, that should be illegal, too.

However I am against bans and for breaking unjust laws. If people feel strongly enough about these movies to keep making them, it's a freedom of speech thing. If they get caught breaking the law, prosecute 'em for trespass and possibly falsified documents, but don't pass a ban. That's a dick move.
 
2013-03-18 04:22:13 AM

gravebayne2: Yogimus: I don't care if my food is tortured or cuddled.

actually meat that is less stressed when butchered has been proven to be better in taste. my value brand hot dogs probably came from tortured meat though but the chems cover it up pretty well.


I don't think they really separate meat from scared animals out from the meat of relaxed ones. Your value brand hot dogs are made from the amalgamated scraps of any carcass they could scrape some meat from. But yeah, fear changes the flavor of the meat.
 Problem: animals aren't stupid. I mean, they are, but they know the smell of death. They understand, on some level, what a trip to the slaughterhouse means, and their instincts are going to tell them to get the fark out of there. So how do you force a 1000lb animal that really, really doesn't want to die to go calmly to its death?
 
2013-03-18 04:23:03 AM
you think that's bad?

you should see how people are treated in nursing homes and institutions

but we don't eat them. yet.
 
2013-03-18 04:26:34 AM
Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy:  So how do you force a 1000lb animal that really, really doesn't want to die to go calmly to its death?

Make them work for the privilege of a shower?
 
2013-03-18 04:29:56 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: So how do you force a 1000lb animal that really, really doesn't want to die to go calmly to its death?


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2013-03-18 04:36:46 AM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Problem: animals aren't stupid. I mean, they are, but they know the smell of death. They understand, on some level, what a trip to the slaughterhouse means, and their instincts are going to tell them to get the fark out of there. So how do you force a 1000lb animal that really, really doesn't want to die to go calmly to its death?


They take comfort in the herd mentality, until the killing begins.

/cautionary tale for sheeple
 
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