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(Opposing Views)   CNN host Candy Crowley and reporter Poppy Harlow are almost in tears over the "ruined lives" of the two Steubenville, Ohio teen football players who were found guilty of gang-raping a 16-year-old girl   (opposingviews.com) divider line 659
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2013-03-18 07:16:55 AM  

Jamieboy: I hope their dicks shrivel  up and fall off.


Hope in one hand, $12.99 in the other, see which gets pinking shears first.
 
2013-03-18 07:17:24 AM  
So those sick people feel sorry for the PERPS rather than the victim?  Really??!!  I think they may deserve more jail time than they've been given.  And to be clear, the arrogant, self-entitled little punks brought it upon themselves.  Also, after they get out of jail, I expect them to give every female they encounter for the rest of their sorry lives the utmost respect in every situation, or else hopefully a bunch of bigger guys beats the crap out of them.  Would also hope every young female they encounter refuses to have anything with their disgusting selves.

/they should be shunned for the rest of their lives
 
2013-03-18 07:17:27 AM  

doglover: Kids today! Back in my day, trolling used to mean something.


Here let me try:

It is entirely unfair to charge these two with rape. They were equally drunk at the time of fornication.  A girl does not go into a bedroom with two young men if she doesn't want it. After all, these two were sports stars, and would result in quite a lot of social "cred" with her friends. She most likely just got carried away, and didn't want to be considered a slut. These two boys are victims not of their actions, but of her regret.

/troll off
 
2013-03-18 07:19:02 AM  
This is a terrible story and everything, but my question is this:
How does someone that fat and bland get a hosting job?

I don't expect everyone to be on the Fox News level, but I'm really surprised someone like that has a gig.
 
2013-03-18 07:19:22 AM  
man thats just wow.
thats like saying (yes i will go there) Hitlers life was ruined by the jews, Soviets, America, and/or UK and being in tears feeling sorry for him.
 
2013-03-18 07:21:03 AM  

borg: feckingmorons: I have absolutely no sympathy for rapists.

They're lives weren't ruined when they were adjudicated delinquent (in juvenile court that is tantamount to a guilty verdict), their lives were ruined when they decided to be rapists.

They'll be in detention for a year or at most until they are 21.

Big fecking deal.

Do they have to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives?  Thats what will ruin their lives and any chance of decent employment.


Indeed, they do.  The judge said he will decide what level to assign them after they finish their sentences and treatment.

Scott Tenorman's tears did not taste so good to Cartman as Ma'lik Richmond's do to me.  Took three Handi-wipes to clean the saliva off my screen.  But his remorse seemed sincere.

Trent May, OTOH, is going to need a lot of intensive treatment.  He apologized only for taking and distributing pictures.  He's still in denial, despite his friends testifying that they saw him finger-rape the girl.
 
2013-03-18 07:22:01 AM  
America loves football, and CNN loves ratings.
 
2013-03-18 07:22:25 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: This is a terrible story and everything, but my question is this:
How does someone that fat and bland get a hosting job?

I don't expect everyone to be on the Fox News level, but I'm really surprised someone like that has a gig.


Maybe she got hired for her talents and skills and not her looks... BWAHAHAHAH I'm sorry I can't do this
 
2013-03-18 07:23:22 AM  

feckingmorons: They insist on giving us opinion rather than news.


As if this is not the normal case for journalism throughout its history. Go back and read the papers run by people like Benjamin Franklin or Horace Greely and tell me that they were insisting on this mythical "no opinion" journalism that you are hallucinating, because it has  never existed as a general rule, ever.
 
2013-03-18 07:24:22 AM  

Arcturus72: feckingmorons: That is brilliant. It is so simple, yet people think it is a joke.

Don't want to be labeled a rapist, don't be a rapist.

I just found it odd that none of these idiots actually believed that they'd raped her, because they didn't have to "Force themselves on her"...

Kinda hard to fight back when you're too drunk to even be awake, right? So that made it all right?

The kids were morons, and must have watched Varsity Blues a few too many times, thinking that it was acceptable behavior...


You'd be shocked at the amount of cognitive dissonance that goes on in the head of a rapist. My rapist didn't think he raped me, even though I said no and tried to push him off (he was a good 100 lbs heavier and 5 inches taller than me, so it did jack all, but I did the best I could to try and get him off of me) because we were dating so he thought he "deserved it" and "he just couldn't help himself" (his words). I was the same age as the victim in this case and didn't tell anyone or talk about it at all for six years because I was a "good girl" and a virgin when it happened, and everyone knows that only slutty "bad girls" get raped, amirite?
 
2013-03-18 07:24:35 AM  
Remember how upset they were about the Duke lacrosse team.
 
2013-03-18 07:24:50 AM  

hubiestubert: These young men are damn lucky to have gotten off this easy, and not in someplace, like say, Texas, where a judge might have looked askance if the young men happened to have had horrible accidents like falling onto a couple of baseball bats several dozen times, or drowned themselves in their own toilets...


I live in Texas next to Williamson County, and those would have been some of the lighter sentences.
 
2013-03-18 07:24:54 AM  

feckingmorons: Crime victims, and especially victims of sexual battery, are indeed victims.


Indeed. I wish we could end this "survivor" bullshiat, because using the term "survivor" makes it sound as if there are non-survivors and loads the victim with the responsibility for surviving. "Victim" is a simple statement of fact which stresses the fact that a crime took place.

One survives (or not) hurricanes, earthquakes, car crashes and cancer.

One is a victim of murderers, rapists, muggers and 419 scammers.
 
2013-03-18 07:25:29 AM  
According to the commercials the only people that watch CNN are old farks that can't get it up, crap themselves and need scooters.  So maybe their BS fits the demographic?
 
2013-03-18 07:25:34 AM  

kingoomieiii: Also, I liked all the people talking about how this is a "cautionary tale" about using social media. In the old days, athletes beat rape charges by hiding evidence, not posting it online!


This. These farker*s deserve everything they get and social media is the reason they will. Glad they were incredibly dumb as well as evil.
 
2013-03-18 07:25:41 AM  
Now go get the rest of them.  Including the cops and prosecutor that tried to impede justice.
 
2013-03-18 07:25:42 AM  

Genevieve Marie: rynthetyn: What pisses me off to no end is that the American media goes and acts like the US is so superior to India when covering the Delhi gang rape case, but then they turn around and do the exact same victim blaming and feeling sorry for the rapists that they love to point fingers about when it happens elsewhere.

You're not the first to make the comparison and it's most certainly a fair and accurate one. Anyone that denies we live in a rape culture isn't paying attention.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/172024/americas-rape-problem-we-refuse -a dmit-there-one#


Gen, I am so glad to see you!  The earlier Steubenville thread was dismal without you.

I cordially disagree with you.  We do not live in a rape culture.  A rape culture lives among us.
 
2013-03-18 07:26:18 AM  
It would be great if we all could come together to point out for all the world to see that these two guys are what a pair of LOSERS looks like.  Were I a parent, I'd encourage my children to have nothing at all to do with known losers; avoid them at all costs because being around them tarnishes your image of respectability!
 
2013-03-18 07:27:11 AM  

cman: Motherfarker I am always biatching about the media being News Entertainment (coined in the spirit of Vince McMahon's Sports Entertainment) instead of real news.


I'm totally stealing this phrase.
 
2013-03-18 07:28:04 AM  

Rhombic: As the father of a teenage girl I consider rape a capital crime.


Mine are not teens... Yet. Regardless, I concur.
 
2013-03-18 07:29:39 AM  

Ukab the Great: You do believe in the Bible...don't you?


Believe in it? I've actually seen one before!

borg: Do they have to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives? Thats what will ruin their lives and any chance of decent employment.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-18 07:30:11 AM  

breadprincess: I was the same age as the victim in this case and didn't tell anyone or talk about it at all for six years because I was a "good girl" and a virgin when it happened, and everyone knows that only slutty "bad girls" get raped, amirite?


You ever wonder how many of his other girlfriends got to go through what you did because you said nothing?
 
2013-03-18 07:30:31 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: Rhombic: As the father of a teenage girl I consider rape a capital crime.

Mine are not teens... Yet. Regardless, I concur.


Rape and murder are two things that cannot be tolerated in a functional society.

The vikings knew it, although thralls weren't people to them.
 
2013-03-18 07:30:42 AM  

Bontesla: ekdikeo4: I just heard something vaguely disturbing about this.  According to something that was just on a local news story, this girl was raped at "several" parties over the course of several days.  Not to even remotely say that the guys weren't wrong to do what they did, but .. this girl needs some help, too.

There were several parties that spanned a single night. She was no longer in control of herself (couldn't walk or talk) by the second party and was unconscious by the third (two players were dragging her in and out).

There's some speculation that date rapes drugs were used but there girl learned about her own violation from twitter so there was very little chemical evidence left to collect via a drug test.

The boys belonged to you Rape Squad. A name they gave themselves before that night.

It's quite likely that they've raped before. This girl was an outsider and stepped forward.


"Rape squad"?! I hope they find this as amusing when they themselves are being raped.
 
2013-03-18 07:31:51 AM  
 
2013-03-18 07:32:15 AM  

Yogimus: breadprincess: I was the same age as the victim in this case and didn't tell anyone or talk about it at all for six years because I was a "good girl" and a virgin when it happened, and everyone knows that only slutty "bad girls" get raped, amirite?

You ever wonder how many of his other girlfriends got to go through what you did because you said nothing?


Do you know how difficult it is to actually prove unwanted sexual contact when there's still evidence of wanted sexual contact?
 
2013-03-18 07:33:21 AM  

Bontesla: Do you know how difficult it is to actually prove unwanted sexual contact when there's still evidence of wanted sexual contact?


Sure do. It is even harder when there is no history.
 
2013-03-18 07:38:30 AM  
violentsalvation:

I realized I had to do a bunch of ironing for the coming week, so I'm still up, and just typing this I'm remembering I need to fill up the dog water pails. I'll do what I can, GM. I'm trying to teach kids to pitch for my church's youth baseball team, they're young adults really. I will see to it I get a "respect the no" speech in.

That paragraph packs more incongruities than I've seen in the past year. :-)
 
2013-03-18 07:38:44 AM  

Yogimus: Bontesla: Do you know how difficult it is to actually prove unwanted sexual contact when there's still evidence of wanted sexual contact?

Sure do. It is even harder when there is no history.


Which is largely inadmissible in court without prior conviction.
 
2013-03-18 07:40:43 AM  
Bontesla:

You are totally right. Much better to suck it up and move on.
 
2013-03-18 07:41:35 AM  

ekdikeo4: I just heard something vaguely disturbing about this.  According to something that was just on a local news story, this girl was raped at "several" parties over the course of several days.  Not to even remotely say that the guys weren't wrong to do what they did, but .. this girl needs some help, too.


Every sexual encounter she's ever had is now a rape, according to newsies.
 
2013-03-18 07:42:38 AM  

Bontesla: Yogimus: Bontesla: Do you know how difficult it is to actually prove unwanted sexual contact when there's still evidence of wanted sexual contact?

Sure do. It is even harder when there is no history.

Which is largely inadmissible in court without prior conviction.



Either report or do not, but it's not a crime until it's reported. Police don't have psychics like Minority Report. If you want change in the world, you have to be that change.
 
2013-03-18 07:42:49 AM  
Approves of this coverage.....

jaydeanhcr.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-18 07:43:48 AM  
CNN, you say?

whenfallsthecoliseum.com

I'm shocked.
 
2013-03-18 07:44:24 AM  

jaybeezey: So I'm curious, how does a male like myself who grew up with a father that didn't constantly tell me not to rape women make well into adult hood without raping anyone? Am I a statistical anomaly?


No, your my son's soul mate.  He never saw me treat a woman badly.  He never saw me spit on the sidewalk.  He never did either.
 
2013-03-18 07:44:35 AM  

RobSeace: Ukab the Great: You do believe in the Bible...don't you?

Believe in it? I've actually seen one before!

borg: Do they have to register as sex offenders for the rest of their lives? Thats what will ruin their lives and any chance of decent employment.

[i.imgur.com image 640x425]


I'm not saying they shouldn't have to live with consequences of a heinous action for the rest of their lives, but if we make it impossible for criminals to function as law-abiding citizens once they are inevitably released, then we've gone from punishing criminals to actively manufacturing habitual offenders.

Those arguing for execution aren't helping either; considering the widespread evidence of wrongful convictions, implementing more frequent executions would only be compounding tragedy.
 
2013-03-18 07:45:38 AM  
Not surprised this was on CNN. Deviants hate to see one of their own get in trouble
 
2013-03-18 07:46:37 AM  

bmihura: hubiestubert: These young men are damn lucky to have gotten off this easy, and not in someplace, like say, Texas, where a judge might have looked askance if the young men happened to have had horrible accidents like falling onto a couple of baseball bats several dozen times, or drowned themselves in their own toilets...

I live in Texas next to Williamson County, and those would have been some of the lighter sentences.


How would Texas be less lenient against football stars?
The school would have just bought the victim a new house or something.
 
2013-03-18 07:47:22 AM  
Subby subtly insinuates that the victim being 16 makes the crime more heinous, but that the perpetrators being 16/17 doesn't change anything
 
2013-03-18 07:49:33 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: kingoomieiii: Also, I liked all the people talking about how this is a "cautionary tale" about using social media. In the old days, athletes beat rape charges by hiding evidence, not posting it online!

This. These farker*s deserve everything they get and social media is the reason they will. Glad they were incredibly dumb as well as evil.


No, Anonymous and that one woman that posted some info as well are.
Hitting "like" didn't stop Kony and it didn't stop this.
 
2013-03-18 07:50:11 AM  

Misch: There's plenty of people to white knight the boys on twitter.


Wow...
 
2013-03-18 07:52:09 AM  

God-is-a-Taco: Waxing_Chewbacca: kingoomieiii: Also, I liked all the people talking about how this is a "cautionary tale" about using social media. In the old days, athletes beat rape charges by hiding evidence, not posting it online!

This. These farker*s deserve everything they get and social media is the reason they will. Glad they were incredibly dumb as well as evil.

No, Anonymous and that one woman that posted some info as well are.
Hitting "like" didn't stop Kony and it didn't stop this.


It played a part but point taken. The idea that they should have been more careful with posting just makes me sick however. farken evil
 
2013-03-18 07:53:02 AM  

Aar1012: BarkingUnicorn: The drunken loudmouth in the post-rape video commentary matriculated into Ohio State, but by January he was gone.  I never wanted to punch a kid so badly in my adult life.

As an aside:

In the linked video up above, I could clearly see that a kid was in an Onio State shirt (I didnt watch the video). I have never been more ashamed to be an Ohio State fan than I am right now.


That would be the guy tugging his pecker and making all the "jokes" about the dead girl.
I'm guessing he has a lifetime of falling down to do.
 
2013-03-18 07:53:53 AM  
Coming out great guns against the rapists might mean saying that rape is wrong. Saying that something is wrong isn't culturally sensitive enough. WON'T ANYBODY THINK OF THE POOR BROS??????? If we start convicting Bros for just doing what comes naturally to a Bro, where will it end!?!?!?!?!? CNN is just standing up for Bro liberation.
 
2013-03-18 07:54:05 AM  
Lives ruined? Possibly, yes. Only themselves to blame? Definitely yes.
 
2013-03-18 07:54:13 AM  
Cry me a farkin' river, boys.
 
2013-03-18 07:55:03 AM  

rynthetyn: for the most part the student body acted like I was some sort of over-sensitive whiner.


Unless you stood up and equally complained about the murder and human chattel elements, you were an over-sensitive whiner.

Rape is no laughing manner but killing two hundred people and bringing back body parts as trophies is comedy gold. They're just *men*, right? That whole article was repulsive but you singled yourself out by laser-focusing on a single aspect.
 
2013-03-18 07:56:52 AM  

badhatharry: Remember how upset they were about the Duke lacrosse team.


Those were white kids, so they obviously deserved to be blamed for a rape that never actually occurred.

/welcome to the age of "fake but accurate"
//it's what the people demanded, so it's what the people get
 
2013-03-18 07:58:43 AM  

Yogimus: jso2897: In a sense - yes - these boys are victims. But we need to be very clear with ourselves as to what they are victims of.
They are not victims of a slutty girl, or an over zealous prosecutor.
They are victims of a society adrift, whose values have grown warped. A society that told them they could do whatever they wanted as long as they pertformed well on the all-important playing field. A society that didn't bother to even try to teach them anything about being men - as opposed to merely male apes.
A society that taught them that sex is a commodity, and just another form of power to be abused.
To his credit, in court one of the boy's fathers had the stones to tearfully admit that maybe if he had found the time to be there for his son, things might have ended differently.
And it is probably too late for them. Our record of rehabilitating teen sociopaths is very poor - I doubt that they have much more of a chance than the average gangbanger (of the OTHER kind) who shoots somebody and gets caught. But yeah - they are victims.

If we(and by "we" I mean us largely male Farkers) take anything away from this, it needs to be that we need to be fathers to our sons, and teach them to be men. We can't blame the women in their lives for our failure to do that.
Like the man said : "Raise you motherf**kin' kids".

No. They are not victims. I understand the point you are trying to make, and I respect your opinion, but I must disagree. When life sets you on a course that puts you in this situation, you STILL must make a decision as to what you should do.


Let's not have a semantic argument - perhaps I could have put the word "victim" in quotes? We both know what I am saying, and we both know that I am not arguing that they are in any way absolved of responsibility for their own actions. The mistreatment of humans by other humans is a chain of events - a chain that needs to be broken, if you want it to stop.
 
2013-03-18 08:00:05 AM  

basemetal: Meh, people can talk to the points of the victim not putting themselves in compromising situations, but the fact remains that you don't take sexual advantage of people who are not able to defend or consent for themselves.  I'm sure these boys have been told this, if not, then their parents failed them, because anymore, you damn well better have a talk to your kid about legalities of such behavior.

/sad for both sides
//but it's hard to garner any sympathy for the boys


I know guys my age who think it is perfectly fine to ply a woman with alcohol until she's falling-down drunk before putting the ole moves on her. I try to point out the situation that can put them into when she sobers up, but it's such a time-honored way to get laid that my objections don't find much traction with that crowd. They see it as "seduction" when she's drunk enough to be willing.

With attitudes like that, is it any wonder teens get the idea that this is a perfectly fair tactic?
 
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