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(Daily Mail)   Man who has spent 30 years building a small farm in the Appalachian mountains faces having to tear it all down because local officials found the wood he cut and milled himself wasn't properly marked   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-03-17 08:47:50 PM  
12 votes:
I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.
2013-03-17 11:10:36 PM  
8 votes:
A genuine mountain man wouldn't be running a farking summer camp. Hippie-for-profit.
2013-03-17 10:15:46 PM  
6 votes:

This About That: By "properly marked" does TFA mean the grade markings stamped on stacks of lumber by a lumber mill? If that is so, and it is why they are accusing him of being "not to code", then this, indeed, fairly outrageous. OTOH, there is no real telling from TFA.


You know how I know you didn't read the article....


....his outhouses, kitchens, and even the wood he's used to build several structures across the properties aren't up to snuff.

They are fixating on the lumber to stoke the fauxrage. The lumber in an eas thing to get a varience on. The five gallon bucket he's shiatting in, not so much.

Anyway after a minute bit of Googling, it looks like this article , though posted to the Dail Fail today, is something that actually happened in October 2012.

Here's a better article that even shows one of the buildings that is failing.
2013-03-17 10:58:47 PM  
5 votes:
From the Wall Street Journal article: (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732417890457834085054709 3 268.html?mod=e2tw)

Mr. Furman, the county official, says it is simple. The cabin built and slept in by campers last summer needs a bathroom, fire sprinklers and smoke detectors. "Does anyone sleep there? Then it has to meet the residential code," he says.

Mr. Conway can't sell his $10 Turtle Island T-shirts, either, unless the common area where they are on display has a restroom. As for the old trucks used on the property, parked by a maintenance shed? "That could be considered an automobile garage, but let's not go there," Mr. Furman says.

 Watauga County Commissioner Perry Yates said the problem isn't Mr. Conway's primitive methods but rather his less primitive ones, like using an oven range in the outdoor kitchen. "If we are going to teach 1776, let's teach it the way it really was," Mr. Yates says.


The problem isn't the guy's unmarked timber--although they cited him for that too--it's that he's running a summer camp, charging people for it, cooking food, has people camping, using latrines, all the rest of it. Those things have regulations for reasons, and if he wants to do his "wilderness camp" thing, then he has to comply with the regs. He's been lucky so far that his Dan'l Boone-open-air-cookin' fire hasn't burned down the forest or one of his campers hasn't contracted novovirus from an improperly regulated sawdust latrine; regulations are designed to make sure he doesn't have to wait until AFTER he gets his ass sued to fix any problems.

It's nice that everyone here is all gung-ho for no regulations of a gen-u-wine mountain man; for myself, I'd prefer that anyone operating a business had to comply with at least a modicum of standards and practices, thanks.
2013-03-17 09:46:20 PM  
4 votes:
Stop teaching that America is the Land of the free, home of the brave.  It's nothing but bullshiat.

We are not the greatest nation on earth, we are not free people.  The long and the short of it is, we're farked.

If you are rich, you may have an ok life, otherwise you are basically a slave.
2013-03-17 09:17:40 PM  
4 votes:
If this guy wasn't running a commercial enterprise that requires all buildings to be up to code, I might be just as poutraged as subby's headline. Hopefully he can work things out with the state, and make some necessary upgrades.
2013-03-17 10:23:55 PM  
3 votes:

cc_rider: If this guy wasn't running a commercial enterprise that requires all buildings to be up to code, I might be just as poutraged as subby's headline. Hopefully he can work things out with the state, and make some necessary upgrades.


He did work things out with the state. They are making additions to the code so he shouldn't have to change anything. In reading the article from my previous post, there is a fine line between living primitive and being batshiat crazy, and this guy has fallen towards the batshiat crazy side.
2013-03-18 12:11:17 AM  
2 votes:
Anastacya: Wow, the house that I own back in Ohio was built in large part by clearing the trees from the plot. They cut down the trees and used the wood to frame it, in addition to the massive oak beams in the basement which act as the structural foundation. That house was built in 1910, and I seriously doubt that anyone stamped the wood before they used it for the home. I guess that means that my 100+ years old house should be demolished because it isn't up to code. Afterall, they didn't pay some inflated price to a lumber mill and/or Home Depot for the wood, so it must be bad. Nevermind that it has stood for over 100 years.
/I am proud of my country, but there are times I am depressed by the people who run it
//I sometimes wonder what Theodore Roosevelt would think if he saw the government and how things run today
///or the Founding Fathers... somewhere we abandoned common sense for the pursuit of money... isn't that what Rome did?

Not sure if serious, but I'm guessing you are not running a summer camp or any other business out of your house.

From other articles linked in this thread, it sounds like this situation is a lot closer to being resolved than the Daily Fail made it out to be. In my opinion, the Founding Fathers would have thought "The last Real Man in America" to be a big whiner for trying to game to system and then playing the victim card. Anyway, I'm sure there will be a donations website up soon, so bootstrappy folks can invest in upgrading his latrines.
2013-03-18 12:02:08 AM  
2 votes:

WhoopAssWayne: So let me get this straight. A guy offers "primitive living classes" and people are complaining because it's farking primitive?

The dumbasses that work for Watauga County are complaining, and no one else. These idiots have nothing else to do and must be fired.


People are complaining because a) he's got a lot of people going up there, and b) it's not all that primitive. He's serving food from a kitchen that's got some kind of gas range; he's got people staying for extended periods of time using open latrines. So far as I know, they are not signing waivers saying "If my kids get dysentery from your kitchen or E. coli from your outdoor toilets, I relieve you of all responsibility." And in this day and age, when this eventually happens (and it eventually will), the people who get sick or injured are not going to stop at suing Mr. Dan'l Boone Mountain Man. They're going to sue the County and probably the state for not ensuring his little mountain camp was not up to code.

Then he'll be out of business for good, and the state and county will be out of a lot of money; plus, a lot of other camps will likely preemptively shut down just in case they too get sued before the inspectors hit their doors. Or, we can ask Dan'l there to just bring his camp up to code.
2013-03-17 11:59:27 PM  
2 votes:

STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!


You do realize farkloads of people died from this kind of shiat in the 1700s and 1800s, right?  Just because someone did live through something, doesn't mean we should aspire to re-enacting it for all time.  There were Jewish children who lived through the Shoah, but that doesn't mean all summer camps should be modeled on Dachau.  In a way it is kind of funny though.  Throughout history, people have worked to make their lives better and less inherently dangerous.  We, however, complain mightily that out homes, workplaces, and public spaces are not trying to actively kill us enough
2013-03-17 11:40:03 PM  
2 votes:
2013-03-17 11:28:38 PM  
2 votes:

STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!


Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.
2013-03-17 11:07:43 PM  
2 votes:
So when I open up my amusement park filled with rides that have rusty nails and someone gets injured on the "Tetanus Twister" are you all going to rush to my defense?

No, you're not.

If Eustace wants to offer a service then he needs to bring the facilities up to code.  No one is infringing on his rights to be a backwoods hillbilly.  What they are doing is enforcing codes agreed upon by the general public that denote what is believed to make things safe.

If he wants to take money then he will need to play by the rules.  If not he can shut it all down and just be satisfied being a backwoods hillbilly.
2013-03-17 10:55:29 PM  
2 votes:
If he wasn't running a children's camp (and according to TFA, making most of his income from that business) I doubt if anyone would ever have noticed or cared.
2013-03-17 10:47:30 PM  
2 votes:

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


Indeed...
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2013-03-17 10:39:04 PM  
2 votes:
From the Carolina Code Studies and Consulting report: "This is a photo of what appears to be a wooden boat in a tree. Notice the boat is accessed by a wooden ladder attached to the trees and indicates the boat is accessible to children."

Seriously?  It's a farking tree house.  Tree houses are supposed to be accessible by children.  These people have too much time on their hands.
2013-03-17 09:45:36 PM  
2 votes:
By "properly marked" does TFA mean the grade markings stamped on stacks of lumber by a lumber mill? If that is so, and it is why they are accusing him of being "not to code", then this, indeed, fairly outrageous. OTOH, there is no real telling from TFA.
2013-03-18 02:03:23 AM  
1 vote:

Skarekrough: No one is infringing on his rights to be a backwoods hillbilly.


Our country would be much saner if more backwoods hillbillies realized this.
2013-03-18 01:29:24 AM  
1 vote:
Luckily for me my family is worth in exess of 50 million $.The fortunes foundation was laid by great Grampa Josia who captained a fleet of 6 merchant vessels between South Carolina and North Africa in the years leading up to 1850 when he went out of business.But by then it didnt matter as he allready made a mint.He moved to Canada and weve been high on the hog ever since. God Bless the ol' U.S.A.
2013-03-18 01:06:49 AM  
1 vote:
2013-03-18 12:29:12 AM  
1 vote:
FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.


And this is where he lost me.

/fark him
2013-03-18 12:03:49 AM  
1 vote:

WhoopAssWayne: He's not dumbasses. There are no kids in his camp. None.


Did you read the article? No, you didn't.
2013-03-18 12:00:02 AM  
1 vote:

jso2897: squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.

The guys who say that shiat are always fat, soft white boys who would have survived about five minutes on the frontier.


Yes, because you'd have to be a fat, soft, white, male youth to want to make sure someone other than the person who's providing you with the food you're eating is safe, labeled correctly, and not bacteria ridden.

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2013-03-17 11:57:30 PM  
1 vote:

Gyrfalcon: It's nice that everyone here is all gung-ho for no regulations of a gen-u-wine mountain man; for myself, I'd prefer that anyone operating a business had to comply with at least a modicum of standards and practices, thanks.


THIS.

As far as I'm concerned, if it's just him living there I don't care if he attempts to weave his open-air-kitchen walls out of the dry pine needles on the ground. But as soon as he starts having non-family stay there for pay, then there's a reason for there to be rules. And I'm talking minimal rules, like, "the building is structurally sound enough that it won't fall and kill the people sleeping in it", and "the bathroom and cooking facilities won't spread disease". One can still go full rustic, without electricity, without high pressure running water, and still meet these basic requirements. I'm sorry for this guy that he apparently didn't seek out what the rules are, but it's his job to keep his guests/lodgers safe.
2013-03-17 11:31:16 PM  
1 vote:

WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.


People believe what they want to believe. Farkers have already had it explained to them that this guy is a money-hustling, attention whoring phony - but they are so desperate to believe his fake narrative of the independent, bootstrappy individualist being trod upon by the mean old government that they just shut their eyes and ears, and turn up the volume.
America needs some new fairy tales. This one is so old it stinks.
2013-03-17 11:24:17 PM  
1 vote:
FTA: One of the violations included not having properly-labeled lumbar

What improperly labeled lumbar may look like.

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2013-03-17 11:20:49 PM  
1 vote:
Wow, the house that I own back in Ohio was built in large part by clearing the trees from the plot. They cut down the trees and used the wood to frame it, in addition to the massive oak beams in the basement which act as the structural foundation. That house was built in 1910, and I seriously doubt that anyone stamped the wood before they used it for the home. I guess that means that my 100+ years old house should be demolished because it isn't up to code. Afterall, they didn't pay some inflated price to a lumber mill and/or Home Depot for the wood, so it must be bad. Nevermind that it has stood for over 100 years.

/I am proud of my country, but there are times I am depressed by the people who run it
//I sometimes wonder what Theodore Roosevelt would think if he saw the government and how things run today
///or the Founding Fathers... somewhere we abandoned common sense for the pursuit of money... isn't that what Rome did?
2013-03-17 11:16:42 PM  
1 vote:
Umm...I, for one, support government regulation and building codes for rustic summer camps...you know...for the children.

Could you see the outrage...
12 Children dead in building collapse
30 snowflakes hospitalized with cholera
Chinese construction company behind summer cap disaster.
2013-03-17 10:58:59 PM  
1 vote:

MaliFinn: From the Carolina Code Studies and Consulting report: "This is a photo of what appears to be a wooden boat in a tree. Notice the boat is accessed by a wooden ladder attached to the trees and indicates the boat is accessible to children."

Seriously?  It's a farking tree house.  Tree houses are supposed to be accessible by children.  These people have too much time on their hands.


wooden ladders made from untreated wood rot.
The code inspectors are doing their job. They don't make the rules as they go along during the inspection. Since they saw that the existing codes really didn't fit what this guy was doing, they changed the codes so he would be in compliance. They didn't force him to be compliant. You'll get over it.
I'm pretty sure he's still going to have to replace that collapsing building though.
2013-03-17 10:55:26 PM  
1 vote:

cambie: This About That: By "properly marked" does TFA mean the grade markings stamped on stacks of lumber by a lumber mill? If that is so, and it is why they are accusing him of being "not to code", then this, indeed, fairly outrageous. OTOH, there is no real telling from TFA.

I too wondered what "properly marked" meant. The rough lumber I buy isn't marked. But it is separated into different racks by A+, A, and B price codes usually.


From reading only the headline I assumed it had something to do with him just cutting down trees that he has no legal right to cut down. Property line disputes of that nature can turn into royal financial shiatsorms for whomever is on the wrong end of one.
2013-03-17 10:47:02 PM  
1 vote:

cc_rider: If this guy wasn't running a commercial enterprise that requires all buildings to be up to code, I might be just as poutraged as subby's headline. Hopefully he can work things out with the state, and make some necessary upgrades.


This. Want to make a deal with the Devil? Then don't biatch about the terms.
2013-03-17 10:44:53 PM  
1 vote:

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


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Frowns on your shenanigans
2013-03-17 10:38:18 PM  
1 vote:
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2013-03-17 10:30:53 PM  
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