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(Daily Mail)   Man who has spent 30 years building a small farm in the Appalachian mountains faces having to tear it all down because local officials found the wood he cut and milled himself wasn't properly marked   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 163
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2013-03-18 12:27:51 AM  

jso2897: Oh. look! It's another truth-distorting, "Gummint-BAD!" bullshiat story for the naive, teenage lolbertarians on Fark to jerk off to - and from the Daily Fail. no less!
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Nice. Are you 12?
 
2013-03-18 12:29:12 AM  
FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.


And this is where he lost me.

/fark him
 
2013-03-18 12:30:10 AM  

jso2897: squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.

The guys who say that shiat are always fat, soft white boys who would have survived about five minutes on the frontier.


The thing is, yeah, they didn't have building and sanitation codes in the old days, but smart settlers were smart enough to notice things like "the water out of the Johnsons' and Biddles' wells tastes like shiat.  They're sick an awful lot... maybe we ought to keep our outhouse well away from our well, just in case."  Or, whether or not they noticed themselves, they had sense to listen to the old-timers who told them the best way to do things.  Same thing with bad meat, rancid butter, etc.  I mean a lot of it is just plain farking common sense -- if it tastes or smells like shiat, or rotten, maybe you shouldn't eat it or wash in it.  But there's often a gap there between what's actually bad for you, microbially speaking, and what you can tell is bad for you.

Later on that kind of thing gets formalized and people figure out why "shiatty-smelling water = sick all the time and die a lot more".  The people who survived either had really good luck, badass immune systems, or brains smart enough to live by the common-sense sanitation code before it was written down and made law.

For the most part if you're just living alone, eating your own shiat and scarfing down maggoty possum every night, the authorities couldn't care less.  But if you're exposing other people unknowingly to that hazardous "lifestyle", they take a keener interest.
 
2013-03-18 12:30:24 AM  

Taylor Mental: Hillbillies make awesome teevee shows.


He is pretty much the real deal. I have nothing to lose or gain by telling you this other than this guy lives in my county and I've been following him on the news. Farker doglover would hump his leg if he could.
 
2013-03-18 12:33:18 AM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


Some Eustachian.
 
2013-03-18 12:33:29 AM  
Brick-House (farkied: Dumb as a brick): [www.frugal-cafe.com image 500x531]

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/As if B. Hussein Osama has anything to do with schitt that the State of North Carolina pulls
 
2013-03-18 12:34:27 AM  

gingerjet: FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.

And this is where he lost me.


If you met him, you'd love him. If you stuck around him for too long, you'd really start to dislike him :(
 
2013-03-18 12:35:07 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.


If your scoutmaster didn't teach you about locating, digging, and maintaining a latrine properly, then he failed.  If he did, then you know why it matters, so what is your point?
 
2013-03-18 12:40:21 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: gingerjet: FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.

And this is where he lost me.

If you met him, you'd love him. If you stuck around him for too long, you'd really start to dislike him :(


I'm sure he's a nice guy.  But incredibly naive.  Many of the Founding Fathers pushed for tighter regulations and improved building codes.  For simple basic reasons.  Badly built buildings either fall or burn down.  This isn't rocket science.

/and I'm all for biatching about government overregulation but anyone who compares 2013 America to 1776 America is a complete idiot.
 
2013-03-18 12:40:30 AM  

Fista-Phobia: doglover: Pointy Tail of Satan: 500 acres for one guy?

You've never seen a farm, have you? 500 acres is SMALL.

Less than 1x1 mile.


You mean a hectare?
 
2013-03-18 12:41:31 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: doglover: Did you read the article? No, you didn't.

I read the article and I actually live here - no children live in this camp, you stupid f***ing dumbass.


Are there multiple camps? The guys website says he has children's summer camps.
 
2013-03-18 12:42:08 AM  

cptjeff: utharda: Pocket Ninja: I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.

Yeah those damn libruls in  North Carolina.  I mean these are the people who kept voting that commie pinko faerie Jesse he.

Forget it.  I can't do it.  Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Why did you bold the "North"? Are you implying that South Carolina is less conservative? Because that's what that suggests, and implies that you're high on a variety of drugs.

North Carolina is the more liberal, sane one. It's the one that voted for Obama in 2008. We've had a teabagger infestation recently, but the state as a whole has been pretty moderate for the last few decades. While Jessie Helms got perpetually re-elected, so did Sam Ervin.


That's the kind of propaganda I expect from Best Carolina.
 
2013-03-18 12:47:02 AM  

gingerjet: WhoopAssWayne: gingerjet: FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.

And this is where he lost me.

If you met him, you'd love him. If you stuck around him for too long, you'd really start to dislike him :(

I'm sure he's a nice guy.  But incredibly naive.  Many of the Founding Fathers pushed for tighter regulations and improved building codes.  For simple basic reasons.  Badly built buildings either fall or burn down.  This isn't rocket science.

/and I'm all for biatching about government overregulation but anyone who compares 2013 America to 1776 America is a complete idiot.


Heh.
 
2013-03-18 12:47:38 AM  
They had buildings in Yosemite that weren't kept up to code.  It really wasn't a problem.  Except for the rodent feces in the walls that lead the hantavirus outbreak it really was a non-issue.  I don't see why this is an issue.

Apparently, the last great American isn't a great carpenter.
 
2013-03-18 12:50:48 AM  
First in New York, the government tells you what you can drink.
Then in the Appalachians, the governmen tells you where you can shiat.
It's a slippery slope, and it's slippery because of all the bullshiat!
 
2013-03-18 12:56:16 AM  
 is fighting the department over their violations.

Perhaps I'm stating the stating the obvious but why not just fix the issues?
Or does that make too much sense?

screw it - you want problems?  You got 'em if you want 'em.
 
2013-03-18 12:59:01 AM  
Just make sure he gets a license for his fish while he's at it.

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2013-03-18 01:01:49 AM  

gingerjet: Many of the Founding Fathers pushed for tighter regulations and improved building codes


I'm an engineer, but not civil/structural type, so I can't speak directly to this, other than to say his building style - and he is not an engineer either - but is based on historical style which he has studied as an anthropologist. He talks about building on a foundation of rock rather than concrete for example. Perhaps you're a civil engineer (w/PE) and can shed some light on this?
 
2013-03-18 01:06:03 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.

Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.


That fails to address if shiatting behind that tree ends up in the communities water supply, and also fails to address the basic role of government, which is too look out for people. If there is a crappy camp in my area  I don't want to have to wait until my "for profit" news station decides it's a big enough problem to start informing people.

I can't reasonably spend 2-3 days at each possible camp I may want to send my children to testing sanitary conditions, quarantine procedures, fire safety, screening the counselors for sex crimes, etc. This is part of what I pay taxes to have the government do.

It's a really great system, since we no longer hunt our own food, care for our own children while we're at work, educate our own children when we aren't around them, etc. We have a government that hires people to do just that very shiat.

That's why it pisses me off so much when a holes who can afford to have a stay at home wife performing these functions insist we don't need stuff like this. We do, the majority of American's rely on the government to do exactly that.

When you suggest that you don't need to pay me enough and/or fund enough time off for me to check out stuff for myself, and insist that my taxes shouldn't go to paying someone else to check it out, that's when I turn against you. I'm not your servant, and I am concerned about my children's health and safety, more than I'm concerned about you and your profits.

Send my job overseas, poison my environment, keep me sick, but when the shiat hits the fan; I care more about my children than I do about your profits, and there are more people who think like me than who think like you.

In the numbers game, we win. So enjoy your wealth until those who defend you are voted out, or removed.
 
2013-03-18 01:06:49 AM  
 
2013-03-18 01:07:42 AM  

rhiannon: Are there multiple camps? The guys website says he has children's summer camps.


Maybe there is just a terminology disconnect or something? Do you consider 18, 19, 20 year olds to be children? Hey, I'm not defending anything here - I just live around here - I believe just young adults and older go there, but that's just my understanding.
 
2013-03-18 01:13:02 AM  

Kensey: jso2897: squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.

The guys who say that shiat are always fat, soft white boys who would have survived about five minutes on the frontier.

The thing is, yeah, they didn't have building and sanitation codes in the old days, but smart settlers were smart enough to notice things like "the water out of the Johnsons' and Biddles' wells tastes like shiat.  They're sick an awful lot... maybe we ought to keep our outhouse well away from our well, just in case."  Or, whether or not they noticed themselves, they had sense to listen to the old-timers who told them the best way to do things.  Same thing with bad meat, rancid butter, etc.  I mean a lot of it is just plain farking common sense -- if it tastes or smells like shiat, or rotten, maybe you shouldn't eat it or wash in it.  But there's often a gap there between what's actually bad for you, microbially speaking, and what you can tell is bad for you.

Later on that kind of thing gets formalized and people figure out why "shiatty-smelling water = sick all the time and die a lot more".  The people who survived either had really good luck, badass immune systems, or brains smart enough to live by the common-sense sanitation code before it was written down and made law.

For the most part if you're just living alone, eati ...


Ya ya ya, but now we have toxins we can't taste, smell, or see. They take years to kill you, and who know's maybe it's all just second hand smoke. Your argument is tired, lacks any sort of modern thinking, and promotes the values of people, who want to take advantage of others by promoting a "gray area" even while they are insisting that marriage should be black and white, man and woman.

So, my response is, whatever, you're not fooling anyone but yourself and the lesser educated among us. You'll probably become wealthy, but not because you're smarter or better than anyone else, just less morally concerned about your fellow man. I wouldn't be surprised if you called yourself a Christian.
 
2013-03-18 01:15:49 AM  
Let's do everything the way YOU want to do them.
 
2013-03-18 01:29:24 AM  
Luckily for me my family is worth in exess of 50 million $.The fortunes foundation was laid by great Grampa Josia who captained a fleet of 6 merchant vessels between South Carolina and North Africa in the years leading up to 1850 when he went out of business.But by then it didnt matter as he allready made a mint.He moved to Canada and weve been high on the hog ever since. God Bless the ol' U.S.A.
 
2013-03-18 01:54:53 AM  

vudukungfu: TWX: I'm sorry for this guy that he apparently didn't seek out what the rules are, but it's his job to keep his guests/lodgers safe.

Like the Carnival Cruise dudes?


I'm going with a classic.
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2013-03-18 01:55:50 AM  

Brick-House: [www.frugal-cafe.com image 500x531]


We are mimicking the Romans. We are looking for our Caesar.
 
2013-03-18 02:03:23 AM  

Skarekrough: No one is infringing on his rights to be a backwoods hillbilly.


Our country would be much saner if more backwoods hillbillies realized this.
 
2013-03-18 02:13:32 AM  
There are just too many typos and grammatical errors in that article for me to believe that they did any serious background research.  Puts in doubt everything in the article.

If you don't have the time to write a simple sentence, how can I believe that you have put in the time to accurately research and describe the thing that you are writing about?!?

/DailyFail, you have once again wasted my time.
 
2013-03-18 02:22:39 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.


Are the Nazis responsible for my drug consumption or should I stop painting the bees?
 
2013-03-18 02:24:47 AM  

UnspokenVoice: WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.

Are the Nazis responsible for my drug consumption or should I stop painting the bees?


Well the Nazis issued amphemtamines and we give amphetamines to children. So yes, they are to blame.
 
2013-03-18 02:45:31 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.


I tried to shiat behind a tree once, but I got confused because I couldn't tell which way the tree was facing
 
2013-03-18 02:52:46 AM  
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/Yeah, eeeeeeeevil nitpicky gummint there.  On one of the other buildings, the wood roof shakes are treated with motor oil.  That should stand up well in a fire.
 
2013-03-18 03:14:12 AM  
For Christ's sake, it's the Daily fricking Mail. Please do better, Fark.
 
2013-03-18 03:26:58 AM  

Happy Hours: Hillbilly Jim: Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.

I tried to shiat behind a tree once, but I got confused because I couldn't tell which way the tree was facing


Duh, it's on the other side from the face:
 
2013-03-18 03:27:51 AM  

untaken_name: Happy Hours: Hillbilly Jim: Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.

I tried to shiat behind a tree once, but I got confused because I couldn't tell which way the tree was facing

Duh, it's on the other side from the face:


I hate you, fark preview. I hate you SO MUCH.
Imagine there's a picture of a tree with a face there. I found it on GIS.
 
2013-03-18 03:28:05 AM  
The US has building codes now?
 
2013-03-18 03:34:12 AM  

deadsanta: A genuine mountain man wouldn't be running a farking summer camp. Hippie-for-profit.


this

Spartan_Manhandler: [img194.imageshack.us image 408x399]

/Yeah, eeeeeeeevil nitpicky gummint there.  On one of the other buildings, the wood roof shakes are treated with motor oil.  That should stand up well in a fire.


Not to mention the roof in that particular picture is way overloaded with shingles that are too heavy, hence the failing canteliever.

//Cholera for some, little American flags for others
 
2013-03-18 03:39:18 AM  

NewWorldDan: Dick Proenneke says this dude is a pussy and a hack.


Now there's a man you can respect.
 
2013-03-18 03:55:36 AM  

cretinbob: Here's a better article that even shows one of the buildings that is failing.



Okay, so it's failing.

Now then...if the county is this Concerned About The ChildrenTM, and not just shaking the guy down for the county's cut of the credentialing fees and whatever other fees they charge local architects and other tradespeople, the then I would expect them to have been looking into the campgoers' living arrangements for the other 51 weeks of the year, and doing so just as thoroughly as they've done with Mr. Conway.

What if their "modern" homes and conveniences haven't been inspected for adherence to safety and sanitary codes since they went up 20, 30 or more years ago? Take just televisions, which have changed considerably in the past 15 years. The number of injuries and fatalities from falling TV sets is increasing, with one child killed every couple of weeks, and yet we do not require parents to mount TV sets properly and have them periodically inspected.

If you oppose mandatory architectural-soundness installation checks for all TV purchases, you're a shill for the electronics and furniture industries and besides it's for the children and it's worth it if it saves just one life...
 
2013-03-18 04:37:03 AM  
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2013-03-18 05:41:34 AM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


"There was a boy called Eustace Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it."
 
2013-03-18 05:51:38 AM  
If I was called to jury duty, and the case involved someone who slowly tortured to death the people who made and enforce these laws, I would vote 'not guilty.'
 
2013-03-18 06:00:10 AM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


Jedediah and Hannah.
 
2013-03-18 06:10:07 AM  
NC? Click. Yep.

/only place I know that would both attract and regulate that guy.
 
2013-03-18 06:40:50 AM  

gingerjet: WhoopAssWayne: gingerjet: FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.

And this is where he lost me.

If you met him, you'd love him. If you stuck around him for too long, you'd really start to dislike him :(

I'm sure he's a nice guy.  But incredibly naive.  Many of the Founding Fathers pushed for tighter regulations and improved building codes.  For simple basic reasons.  Badly built buildings either fall or burn down.


You forgot, "and then sank into the swamp."
 
2013-03-18 06:59:13 AM  

Capt. Sparkles: cambie: This About That: By "properly marked" does TFA mean the grade markings stamped on stacks of lumber by a lumber mill? If that is so, and it is why they are accusing him of being "not to code", then this, indeed, fairly outrageous. OTOH, there is no real telling from TFA.

I too wondered what "properly marked" meant. The rough lumber I buy isn't marked. But it is separated into different racks by A+, A, and B price codes usually.

From reading only the headline I assumed it had something to do with him just cutting down trees that he has no legal right to cut down. Property line disputes of that nature can turn into royal financial shiatsorms for whomever is on the wrong end of one.


He owns 500 acres. Doubtful he is harvesting from his property line.
 
2013-03-18 07:50:19 AM  
Those buildings will last longer than my prefabricated house built with excess center width and the cheapest available materials and labor du'jour from under the awning at Home Depot.

/wife wanted it. It was cute and in the right location
 
2013-03-18 08:02:20 AM  

8Fingers: Get a haircut and take a shower you dirty hippie.
Seriously, who in this day and age is still OK with looking like you haven't moved past the 60's?


Trust me, you'd hate it up here where I'm staying in the Calif high desert area. I see those plenty of those sorts whenever I head into town. It's one of the benefits of being surrounded by severely independent people whose conversation is limited to NASCAR, guns, and politics.
 
2013-03-18 08:37:44 AM  
Ok. So some guy starts building shiatty primitive houses for himself.
Goes to town, and some other dude says, "you should teach primitive building /living and charge people" and slaps him a high five on his back in a drunken stupor. "Guy" walks away and makes it a reality to the surprise of everyone. Because he turned his nutjob buildings into a business, it gets regulated. Welcome to a first world country. Sorry dude. You found a way to make money, now you've got to play by the rules.
 
2013-03-18 08:56:16 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.


THIS

If you get a license and offer to be responsible for the safety of other people's kids then you gotta play by the rules.

/Thanks Obama.
 
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