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(Daily Mail)   Man who has spent 30 years building a small farm in the Appalachian mountains faces having to tear it all down because local officials found the wood he cut and milled himself wasn't properly marked   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 163
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2013-03-17 08:40:48 PM  
This is underwear-on-top-of-head-England retarded
 
2013-03-17 08:42:11 PM  
Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?
 
2013-03-17 08:47:50 PM  
I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.
 
2013-03-17 09:06:27 PM  
Yet again Reality>Fark headline
 
2013-03-17 09:08:58 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.


images.wikia.com
 
2013-03-17 09:17:40 PM  
If this guy wasn't running a commercial enterprise that requires all buildings to be up to code, I might be just as poutraged as subby's headline. Hopefully he can work things out with the state, and make some necessary upgrades.
 
2013-03-17 09:45:36 PM  
By "properly marked" does TFA mean the grade markings stamped on stacks of lumber by a lumber mill? If that is so, and it is why they are accusing him of being "not to code", then this, indeed, fairly outrageous. OTOH, there is no real telling from TFA.
 
2013-03-17 09:46:20 PM  
Stop teaching that America is the Land of the free, home of the brave.  It's nothing but bullshiat.

We are not the greatest nation on earth, we are not free people.  The long and the short of it is, we're farked.

If you are rich, you may have an ok life, otherwise you are basically a slave.
 
2013-03-17 09:49:07 PM  

This About That: By "properly marked" does TFA mean the grade markings stamped on stacks of lumber by a lumber mill? If that is so, and it is why they are accusing him of being "not to code", then this, indeed, fairly outrageous. OTOH, there is no real telling from TFA.


I too wondered what "properly marked" meant. The rough lumber I buy isn't marked. But it is separated into different racks by A+, A, and B price codes usually.
 
2013-03-17 10:15:46 PM  

This About That: By "properly marked" does TFA mean the grade markings stamped on stacks of lumber by a lumber mill? If that is so, and it is why they are accusing him of being "not to code", then this, indeed, fairly outrageous. OTOH, there is no real telling from TFA.


You know how I know you didn't read the article....


....his outhouses, kitchens, and even the wood he's used to build several structures across the properties aren't up to snuff.

They are fixating on the lumber to stoke the fauxrage. The lumber in an eas thing to get a varience on. The five gallon bucket he's shiatting in, not so much.

Anyway after a minute bit of Googling, it looks like this article , though posted to the Dail Fail today, is something that actually happened in October 2012.

Here's a better article that even shows one of the buildings that is failing.
 
2013-03-17 10:23:55 PM  

cc_rider: If this guy wasn't running a commercial enterprise that requires all buildings to be up to code, I might be just as poutraged as subby's headline. Hopefully he can work things out with the state, and make some necessary upgrades.


He did work things out with the state. They are making additions to the code so he shouldn't have to change anything. In reading the article from my previous post, there is a fine line between living primitive and being batshiat crazy, and this guy has fallen towards the batshiat crazy side.
 
2013-03-17 10:30:53 PM  
 
2013-03-17 10:32:03 PM  
notfncute.com
 
2013-03-17 10:38:18 PM  
ww2.hdnux.com
 
2013-03-17 10:38:25 PM  
Even when it's free, real estate sucks. But busybody government lackeys are ten times worse.
 
2013-03-17 10:39:04 PM  
From the Carolina Code Studies and Consulting report: "This is a photo of what appears to be a wooden boat in a tree. Notice the boat is accessed by a wooden ladder attached to the trees and indicates the boat is accessible to children."

Seriously?  It's a farking tree house.  Tree houses are supposed to be accessible by children.  These people have too much time on their hands.
 
2013-03-17 10:43:50 PM  
Wolololololololo
 
2013-03-17 10:43:52 PM  
Society will crumble unless we stop these scofflaws.
 
2013-03-17 10:44:53 PM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


images.zap2it.com

Frowns on your shenanigans
 
2013-03-17 10:45:01 PM  
this reminds me of Carmella's spec-house fiasco.
 
2013-03-17 10:45:14 PM  
This scared the f*ck out of me for a second. But he's a running a summer camp type thing, so I can have an emergency outhouse and some chickens without risk of government pwnage. Whew.
 
2013-03-17 10:46:28 PM  

JerkyMeat: We are not the greatest nation on earth, we are not free people.  The long and the short of it is, we're farked.


Oh bew hew.  People living in other countries are not the "greatest" either, and are no more "free" than us, yet many have a standard of living that puts the average American's to shame.

If we're farked, then EVERYBODY is farked.

/I'm not saying whether that is or isn't the case.
 
2013-03-17 10:47:02 PM  

cc_rider: If this guy wasn't running a commercial enterprise that requires all buildings to be up to code, I might be just as poutraged as subby's headline. Hopefully he can work things out with the state, and make some necessary upgrades.


This. Want to make a deal with the Devil? Then don't biatch about the terms.
 
2013-03-17 10:47:30 PM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


Indeed...
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-17 10:54:56 PM  
www.miserableretailslave.com

I did what, now?
 
2013-03-17 10:55:14 PM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


That's my real name you insensitive clod.
 
2013-03-17 10:55:26 PM  

cambie: This About That: By "properly marked" does TFA mean the grade markings stamped on stacks of lumber by a lumber mill? If that is so, and it is why they are accusing him of being "not to code", then this, indeed, fairly outrageous. OTOH, there is no real telling from TFA.

I too wondered what "properly marked" meant. The rough lumber I buy isn't marked. But it is separated into different racks by A+, A, and B price codes usually.


From reading only the headline I assumed it had something to do with him just cutting down trees that he has no legal right to cut down. Property line disputes of that nature can turn into royal financial shiatsorms for whomever is on the wrong end of one.
 
2013-03-17 10:55:29 PM  
If he wasn't running a children's camp (and according to TFA, making most of his income from that business) I doubt if anyone would ever have noticed or cared.
 
2013-03-17 10:56:37 PM  

Happy Hours: you insensitive clod.


Oh man you just made me have /. flashbacks. I'm crying now. I need a beowulf cluster of natalie portmans, stat!
 
2013-03-17 10:57:16 PM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


The Second-to-Last American Man.
 
2013-03-17 10:57:29 PM  
This is an OUTRAGE!

Thank you, Daily Fail, for the OUTRAGE boner!!1
 
2013-03-17 10:57:35 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Even when it's free, real estate sucks. But busybody government lackeys are ten times worse.


Common law baby.
 
2013-03-17 10:58:47 PM  
From the Wall Street Journal article: (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788732417890457834085054709 3 268.html?mod=e2tw)

Mr. Furman, the county official, says it is simple. The cabin built and slept in by campers last summer needs a bathroom, fire sprinklers and smoke detectors. "Does anyone sleep there? Then it has to meet the residential code," he says.

Mr. Conway can't sell his $10 Turtle Island T-shirts, either, unless the common area where they are on display has a restroom. As for the old trucks used on the property, parked by a maintenance shed? "That could be considered an automobile garage, but let's not go there," Mr. Furman says.

 Watauga County Commissioner Perry Yates said the problem isn't Mr. Conway's primitive methods but rather his less primitive ones, like using an oven range in the outdoor kitchen. "If we are going to teach 1776, let's teach it the way it really was," Mr. Yates says.


The problem isn't the guy's unmarked timber--although they cited him for that too--it's that he's running a summer camp, charging people for it, cooking food, has people camping, using latrines, all the rest of it. Those things have regulations for reasons, and if he wants to do his "wilderness camp" thing, then he has to comply with the regs. He's been lucky so far that his Dan'l Boone-open-air-cookin' fire hasn't burned down the forest or one of his campers hasn't contracted novovirus from an improperly regulated sawdust latrine; regulations are designed to make sure he doesn't have to wait until AFTER he gets his ass sued to fix any problems.

It's nice that everyone here is all gung-ho for no regulations of a gen-u-wine mountain man; for myself, I'd prefer that anyone operating a business had to comply with at least a modicum of standards and practices, thanks.
 
2013-03-17 10:58:59 PM  

MaliFinn: From the Carolina Code Studies and Consulting report: "This is a photo of what appears to be a wooden boat in a tree. Notice the boat is accessed by a wooden ladder attached to the trees and indicates the boat is accessible to children."

Seriously?  It's a farking tree house.  Tree houses are supposed to be accessible by children.  These people have too much time on their hands.


wooden ladders made from untreated wood rot.
The code inspectors are doing their job. They don't make the rules as they go along during the inspection. Since they saw that the existing codes really didn't fit what this guy was doing, they changed the codes so he would be in compliance. They didn't force him to be compliant. You'll get over it.
I'm pretty sure he's still going to have to replace that collapsing building though.
 
2013-03-17 10:59:41 PM  
ZOMG Agenda 21!
 
2013-03-17 11:00:04 PM  

poot_rootbeer: JerkyMeat: We are not the greatest nation on earth, we are not free people.  The long and the short of it is, we're farked.

Oh bew hew.  People living in other countries are not the "greatest" either, and are no more "free" than us, yet many have a standard of living that puts the average American's to shame.

If we're farked, then EVERYBODY is farked.

/I'm not saying whether that is or isn't the case.


you both make valid points. TTBOMK all governments use propaganda & control over the masses. those who benefit from owning Daddy Warbucks factories are wealthy powerful people who want to make damn sure there are plenty of willing hands with delusional patriotic eyes willing to do or die. and there are plenty of policies and procedures of all sorts i other countries that may be superior to those applied in the USA. but you roller skate around the world a little bit you find out we spoiled Americans do have it sweet indeed.
 
2013-03-17 11:01:18 PM  
If you don't like hoa rules, don't live where you have an hoa.

If you don't like the county building codes, move to another county.

Right?
 
2013-03-17 11:02:23 PM  
Why not just make him post some signs at each entrance that the entire property and buildings are not up to code?
 
2013-03-17 11:03:14 PM  

Happy Hours: cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?

That's my real name you insensitive clod.


Stupid Fark, they make you look bad
 
2013-03-17 11:04:29 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Happy Hours: cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?

That's my real name you insensitive clod.

Stupid Fark, they make you look bad


LOL
 
2013-03-17 11:07:00 PM  
I'm here to answer any questions - this is my hometown/county  - ask away.
 
2013-03-17 11:07:20 PM  

pedrop357: Why not just make him post some signs at each entrance that the entire property and buildings are not up to code?


What if the signs fall and hit somebody?
 
2013-03-17 11:07:43 PM  
So when I open up my amusement park filled with rides that have rusty nails and someone gets injured on the "Tetanus Twister" are you all going to rush to my defense?

No, you're not.

If Eustace wants to offer a service then he needs to bring the facilities up to code.  No one is infringing on his rights to be a backwoods hillbilly.  What they are doing is enforcing codes agreed upon by the general public that denote what is believed to make things safe.

If he wants to take money then he will need to play by the rules.  If not he can shut it all down and just be satisfied being a backwoods hillbilly.
 
2013-03-17 11:08:10 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: I'm here to answer any questions - this is my hometown/county  - ask away.


Is his weed that good?
 
2013-03-17 11:08:16 PM  

JerkyMeat: Stop teaching that America is the Land of the free, home of the brave.  It's nothing but bullshiat.

We are not the greatest nation on earth, we are not free people.  The long and the short of it is, we're farked.

If you are rich, you may have an ok life, otherwise you are basically a slave.


We Jews are doing pretty good now that we run US Foreign policy and the "too big to fail" banks.
 
2013-03-17 11:10:11 PM  
Fark you assholes!  In this day and age of 1913, can't a man take care of himself without government interference!?

i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2013-03-17 11:10:36 PM  
A genuine mountain man wouldn't be running a farking summer camp. Hippie-for-profit.
 
2013-03-17 11:11:29 PM  

cretinbob: WhoopAssWayne: I'm here to answer any questions - this is my hometown/county  - ask away.

Is his weed that good?


Imagine the worst homegrown you've ever had filtered through a soccer-moms shorts then shot-gunned by dick cheney.
 
2013-03-17 11:12:35 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.


Yeah, I've heard of this guy before.  It became an issue because of the camp.

cretinbob: Anyway after a minute bit of Googling, it looks like this article , though posted to the Dail Fail today, is something that actually happened in October 2012.

Here's a better article that even shows one of the buildings that is failing.


Yeah, that lists some good reasons, not just unrated lumber.

cretinbob: He did work things out with the state. They are making additions to the code so he shouldn't have to change anything. In reading the article from my previous post, there is a fine line between living primitive and being batshiat crazy, and this guy has fallen towards the batshiat crazy side.


No, he's having to make some improvements.

cretinbob: The code inspectors are doing their job. They don't make the rules as they go along during the inspection. Since they saw that the existing codes really didn't fit what this guy was doing, they changed the codes so he would be in compliance. They didn't force him to be compliant. You'll get over it.


The codes were updated to permit some of the primitive structures, not the safety violations.
 
2013-03-17 11:13:09 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Imagine the worst homegrown you've ever had filtered through a soccer-moms shorts then shot-gunned by dick cheney.


mtv.mtvnimages.com
 
2013-03-17 11:16:31 PM  
Get a haircut and take a shower you dirty hippie.
Seriously, who in this day and age is still OK with looking like you haven't moved past the 60's?
 
2013-03-17 11:16:42 PM  
Umm...I, for one, support government regulation and building codes for rustic summer camps...you know...for the children.

Could you see the outrage...
12 Children dead in building collapse
30 snowflakes hospitalized with cholera
Chinese construction company behind summer cap disaster.
 
2013-03-17 11:16:58 PM  
Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!
 
2013-03-17 11:19:01 PM  
The busy bodies in town are taking some shots at him. Our republican state senator, Soucek, is trying to get Raleigh to create an exception for Conway here based on 'private property / personal freedom' grounds.
 
2013-03-17 11:20:49 PM  
Wow, the house that I own back in Ohio was built in large part by clearing the trees from the plot. They cut down the trees and used the wood to frame it, in addition to the massive oak beams in the basement which act as the structural foundation. That house was built in 1910, and I seriously doubt that anyone stamped the wood before they used it for the home. I guess that means that my 100+ years old house should be demolished because it isn't up to code. Afterall, they didn't pay some inflated price to a lumber mill and/or Home Depot for the wood, so it must be bad. Nevermind that it has stood for over 100 years.

/I am proud of my country, but there are times I am depressed by the people who run it
//I sometimes wonder what Theodore Roosevelt would think if he saw the government and how things run today
///or the Founding Fathers... somewhere we abandoned common sense for the pursuit of money... isn't that what Rome did?
 
2013-03-17 11:21:43 PM  
Oh. look! It's another truth-distorting, "Gummint-BAD!" bullshiat story for the naive, teenage lolbertarians on Fark to jerk off to - and from the Daily Fail. no less!
i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-17 11:23:04 PM  
So he still owns his 500 acre farm? meh
 
2013-03-17 11:23:57 PM  
I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.
 
2013-03-17 11:24:17 PM  
FTA: One of the violations included not having properly-labeled lumbar

What improperly labeled lumbar may look like.

sarcasticsarcasm.com
 
2013-03-17 11:28:38 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!


Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.
 
2013-03-17 11:28:50 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.


i70.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-17 11:31:13 PM  
500 acres for one guy? 100 guys move to upstate NY and see goodbye to any forest.
 
2013-03-17 11:31:16 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.


People believe what they want to believe. Farkers have already had it explained to them that this guy is a money-hustling, attention whoring phony - but they are so desperate to believe his fake narrative of the independent, bootstrappy individualist being trod upon by the mean old government that they just shut their eyes and ears, and turn up the volume.
America needs some new fairy tales. This one is so old it stinks.
 
2013-03-17 11:32:35 PM  

Fista-Phobia: WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.

[i70.photobucket.com image 420x500]


That dude looks -ready- sistah!

(show me your **** later?)
 
2013-03-17 11:33:24 PM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.


The guys who say that shiat are always fat, soft white boys who would have survived about five minutes on the frontier.
 
2013-03-17 11:33:28 PM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


This guy's parents?:

i759.photobucket.com

yes, his name was Eustace.
 
2013-03-17 11:36:15 PM  

jso2897: WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.

People believe what they want to believe. Farkers have already had it explained to them that this guy is a money-hustling, attention whoring phony - but they are so desperate to believe his fake narrative of the independent, bootstrappy individualist being trod upon by the mean old government that they just shut their eyes and ears, and turn up the volume.
America needs some new fairy tales. This one is so old it stinks.


This guy went to college while living in a tent - in a place where the *highs* are like 10 degress in Jan - and walked bare-footed to class.
 
2013-03-17 11:37:39 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Fista-Phobia: WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.

[i70.photobucket.com image 420x500]

That dude looks -ready- sistah!

(show me your **** later?)

dancing feet on my couch

 
2013-03-17 11:37:43 PM  

untaken_name: Happy Hours: you insensitive clod.

Oh man you just made me have /. flashbacks. I'm crying now. I need a beowulf cluster of natalie portmans, stat!


+1 Informative
 
2013-03-17 11:38:24 PM  
Dick Proenneke says this dude is a pussy and a hack.
 
2013-03-17 11:39:47 PM  
So let me get this straight. A guy offers "primitive living classes" and people are complaining because it's farking primitive?

Well that's what he get's for doing business with collage age yuppies from the city.
 
2013-03-17 11:40:03 PM  
 
2013-03-17 11:42:30 PM  
Where's his AR?
 
2013-03-17 11:44:20 PM  

Pointy Tail of Satan: 500 acres for one guy?


You've never seen a farm, have you? 500 acres is SMALL.
 
2013-03-17 11:45:37 PM  

doglover: Pointy Tail of Satan: 500 acres for one guy?

You've never seen a farm, have you? 500 acres is SMALL.


Less than 1x1 mile.
 
2013-03-17 11:48:02 PM  
So let me get this straight. A guy offers "primitive living classes" and people are complaining because it's farking primitive?

The dumbasses that work for Watauga County are complaining, and no one else. These idiots have nothing else to do and must be fired.
 
2013-03-17 11:48:07 PM  
blazing-saddles.trailertheater.com

Who can argue with that?
 
2013-03-17 11:49:57 PM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


"Eu-nice. Eunice. We've almost gotten that stammer cured."

i651.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-17 11:52:29 PM  

Happy Hours: cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?

That's my real name you insensitive clod.


You leave us Clods out of this.
 
2013-03-17 11:52:43 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: So let me get this straight. A guy offers "primitive living classes" and people are complaining because it's farking primitive?


Actually it looks like he needs to get a tramp stamp.

One of the violations included not having properly-labeled lumbar
 
2013-03-17 11:54:04 PM  
jso2897:

Heh. Dude, if you ever want to suffer the realities of living in the woods, contact this dude. Your call. I have a furnace and HBO.
 
2013-03-17 11:56:24 PM  

Pocket Ninja: I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.


Yeah those damn libruls in  North Carolina.  I mean these are the people who kept voting that commie pinko faerie Jesse he.

Forget it.  I can't do it.  Screw you guys, I'm going home.
 
TWX
2013-03-17 11:57:30 PM  

Gyrfalcon: It's nice that everyone here is all gung-ho for no regulations of a gen-u-wine mountain man; for myself, I'd prefer that anyone operating a business had to comply with at least a modicum of standards and practices, thanks.


THIS.

As far as I'm concerned, if it's just him living there I don't care if he attempts to weave his open-air-kitchen walls out of the dry pine needles on the ground. But as soon as he starts having non-family stay there for pay, then there's a reason for there to be rules. And I'm talking minimal rules, like, "the building is structurally sound enough that it won't fall and kill the people sleeping in it", and "the bathroom and cooking facilities won't spread disease". One can still go full rustic, without electricity, without high pressure running water, and still meet these basic requirements. I'm sorry for this guy that he apparently didn't seek out what the rules are, but it's his job to keep his guests/lodgers safe.
 
2013-03-17 11:59:08 PM  

doglover: WhoopAssWayne: So let me get this straight. A guy offers "primitive living classes" and people are complaining because it's farking primitive?


If you could stop loving dogs long enough, you'd recognize Streisand is mega-smoking hot there, and needs our love.
 
2013-03-17 11:59:27 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!


You do realize farkloads of people died from this kind of shiat in the 1700s and 1800s, right?  Just because someone did live through something, doesn't mean we should aspire to re-enacting it for all time.  There were Jewish children who lived through the Shoah, but that doesn't mean all summer camps should be modeled on Dachau.  In a way it is kind of funny though.  Throughout history, people have worked to make their lives better and less inherently dangerous.  We, however, complain mightily that out homes, workplaces, and public spaces are not trying to actively kill us enough
 
2013-03-17 11:59:53 PM  

TWX: I'm sorry for this guy that he apparently didn't seek out what the rules are, but it's his job to keep his guests/lodgers safe.


Like the Carnival Cruise dudes?
 
2013-03-18 12:00:02 AM  

jso2897: squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.

The guys who say that shiat are always fat, soft white boys who would have survived about five minutes on the frontier.


Yes, because you'd have to be a fat, soft, white, male youth to want to make sure someone other than the person who's providing you with the food you're eating is safe, labeled correctly, and not bacteria ridden.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem
 
2013-03-18 12:02:08 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: So let me get this straight. A guy offers "primitive living classes" and people are complaining because it's farking primitive?

The dumbasses that work for Watauga County are complaining, and no one else. These idiots have nothing else to do and must be fired.


People are complaining because a) he's got a lot of people going up there, and b) it's not all that primitive. He's serving food from a kitchen that's got some kind of gas range; he's got people staying for extended periods of time using open latrines. So far as I know, they are not signing waivers saying "If my kids get dysentery from your kitchen or E. coli from your outdoor toilets, I relieve you of all responsibility." And in this day and age, when this eventually happens (and it eventually will), the people who get sick or injured are not going to stop at suing Mr. Dan'l Boone Mountain Man. They're going to sue the County and probably the state for not ensuring his little mountain camp was not up to code.

Then he'll be out of business for good, and the state and county will be out of a lot of money; plus, a lot of other camps will likely preemptively shut down just in case they too get sued before the inspectors hit their doors. Or, we can ask Dan'l there to just bring his camp up to code.
 
2013-03-18 12:02:29 AM  

utharda: Pocket Ninja: I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.


He's not dumbasses. There are no kids in his camp. None.
 
2013-03-18 12:03:49 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: He's not dumbasses. There are no kids in his camp. None.


Did you read the article? No, you didn't.
 
2013-03-18 12:11:17 AM  
Anastacya: Wow, the house that I own back in Ohio was built in large part by clearing the trees from the plot. They cut down the trees and used the wood to frame it, in addition to the massive oak beams in the basement which act as the structural foundation. That house was built in 1910, and I seriously doubt that anyone stamped the wood before they used it for the home. I guess that means that my 100+ years old house should be demolished because it isn't up to code. Afterall, they didn't pay some inflated price to a lumber mill and/or Home Depot for the wood, so it must be bad. Nevermind that it has stood for over 100 years.
/I am proud of my country, but there are times I am depressed by the people who run it
//I sometimes wonder what Theodore Roosevelt would think if he saw the government and how things run today
///or the Founding Fathers... somewhere we abandoned common sense for the pursuit of money... isn't that what Rome did?

Not sure if serious, but I'm guessing you are not running a summer camp or any other business out of your house.

From other articles linked in this thread, it sounds like this situation is a lot closer to being resolved than the Daily Fail made it out to be. In my opinion, the Founding Fathers would have thought "The last Real Man in America" to be a big whiner for trying to game to system and then playing the victim card. Anyway, I'm sure there will be a donations website up soon, so bootstrappy folks can invest in upgrading his latrines.
 
2013-03-18 12:11:47 AM  
Gyrfalcon:

Oh My God - He's teaching people how all of us actually lived 100 year ago - THAT BASTARD!

County hacks like yourself must be personally financially responsible \ for his losses. It must come out of your pocket, not the taxpayer.
 
2013-03-18 12:15:04 AM  

doglover: Did you read the article? No, you didn't.


I read the article and I actually live here - no children live in this camp, you stupid f***ing dumbass.
 
2013-03-18 12:15:11 AM  

utharda: Pocket Ninja: I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.

Yeah those damn libruls in  North Carolina.  I mean these are the people who kept voting that commie pinko faerie Jesse he.

Forget it.  I can't do it.  Screw you guys, I'm going home.


Why did you bold the "North"? Are you implying that South Carolina is less conservative? Because that's what that suggests, and implies that you're high on a variety of drugs.

North Carolina is the more liberal, sane one. It's the one that voted for Obama in 2008. We've had a teabagger infestation recently, but the state as a whole has been pretty moderate for the last few decades. While Jessie Helms got perpetually re-elected, so did Sam Ervin.
 
2013-03-18 12:16:51 AM  
www.frugal-cafe.com
 
2013-03-18 12:19:39 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.


Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.
 
2013-03-18 12:22:26 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.


Oh My F****ing G** NO ........... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

No Hot water?

NOOOOOOOOOOOO
 
2013-03-18 12:25:41 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.


Don't you watch cable. He's got one reality show airing on Tuesdays where he chops wood, cleans up chicken poop and feeds pigs in between commercials. Then on Wednesday he's got another one where he and his wife take in boarders from the county jail and teach them how to live without smoking meth or having sex with relatives while maybe rounding up some bail jumpers in their free time. All between commercials, of course. On Saturday night he makes fake moonshine while a fake state revenue agent chases him around with night vision goggles.

Hillbillies make awesome teevee shows. But he sure don't need no help keeping the government off his ass.
 
2013-03-18 12:26:23 AM  

safetycap: cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?

"Eu-nice. Eunice. We've almost gotten that stammer cured."

[i651.photobucket.com image 804x1024]




Thanks for the reminder of how hot Barbara Streisand was way back when.
 
2013-03-18 12:26:33 AM  

cptjeff: North Carolina is the more liberal, sane one.


You even got the 'Canes.
 
2013-03-18 12:27:51 AM  

jso2897: Oh. look! It's another truth-distorting, "Gummint-BAD!" bullshiat story for the naive, teenage lolbertarians on Fark to jerk off to - and from the Daily Fail. no less!
[i18.photobucket.com image 384x400]


Nice. Are you 12?
 
2013-03-18 12:29:12 AM  
FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.


And this is where he lost me.

/fark him
 
2013-03-18 12:30:10 AM  

jso2897: squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.

The guys who say that shiat are always fat, soft white boys who would have survived about five minutes on the frontier.


The thing is, yeah, they didn't have building and sanitation codes in the old days, but smart settlers were smart enough to notice things like "the water out of the Johnsons' and Biddles' wells tastes like shiat.  They're sick an awful lot... maybe we ought to keep our outhouse well away from our well, just in case."  Or, whether or not they noticed themselves, they had sense to listen to the old-timers who told them the best way to do things.  Same thing with bad meat, rancid butter, etc.  I mean a lot of it is just plain farking common sense -- if it tastes or smells like shiat, or rotten, maybe you shouldn't eat it or wash in it.  But there's often a gap there between what's actually bad for you, microbially speaking, and what you can tell is bad for you.

Later on that kind of thing gets formalized and people figure out why "shiatty-smelling water = sick all the time and die a lot more".  The people who survived either had really good luck, badass immune systems, or brains smart enough to live by the common-sense sanitation code before it was written down and made law.

For the most part if you're just living alone, eating your own shiat and scarfing down maggoty possum every night, the authorities couldn't care less.  But if you're exposing other people unknowingly to that hazardous "lifestyle", they take a keener interest.
 
2013-03-18 12:30:24 AM  

Taylor Mental: Hillbillies make awesome teevee shows.


He is pretty much the real deal. I have nothing to lose or gain by telling you this other than this guy lives in my county and I've been following him on the news. Farker doglover would hump his leg if he could.
 
2013-03-18 12:33:18 AM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


Some Eustachian.
 
2013-03-18 12:33:29 AM  
Brick-House (farkied: Dumb as a brick): [www.frugal-cafe.com image 500x531]

i115.photobucket.com

/As if B. Hussein Osama has anything to do with schitt that the State of North Carolina pulls
 
2013-03-18 12:34:27 AM  

gingerjet: FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.

And this is where he lost me.


If you met him, you'd love him. If you stuck around him for too long, you'd really start to dislike him :(
 
2013-03-18 12:35:07 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.


If your scoutmaster didn't teach you about locating, digging, and maintaining a latrine properly, then he failed.  If he did, then you know why it matters, so what is your point?
 
2013-03-18 12:40:21 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: gingerjet: FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.

And this is where he lost me.

If you met him, you'd love him. If you stuck around him for too long, you'd really start to dislike him :(


I'm sure he's a nice guy.  But incredibly naive.  Many of the Founding Fathers pushed for tighter regulations and improved building codes.  For simple basic reasons.  Badly built buildings either fall or burn down.  This isn't rocket science.

/and I'm all for biatching about government overregulation but anyone who compares 2013 America to 1776 America is a complete idiot.
 
2013-03-18 12:40:30 AM  

Fista-Phobia: doglover: Pointy Tail of Satan: 500 acres for one guy?

You've never seen a farm, have you? 500 acres is SMALL.

Less than 1x1 mile.


You mean a hectare?
 
2013-03-18 12:41:31 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: doglover: Did you read the article? No, you didn't.

I read the article and I actually live here - no children live in this camp, you stupid f***ing dumbass.


Are there multiple camps? The guys website says he has children's summer camps.
 
2013-03-18 12:42:08 AM  

cptjeff: utharda: Pocket Ninja: I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.

Yeah those damn libruls in  North Carolina.  I mean these are the people who kept voting that commie pinko faerie Jesse he.

Forget it.  I can't do it.  Screw you guys, I'm going home.

Why did you bold the "North"? Are you implying that South Carolina is less conservative? Because that's what that suggests, and implies that you're high on a variety of drugs.

North Carolina is the more liberal, sane one. It's the one that voted for Obama in 2008. We've had a teabagger infestation recently, but the state as a whole has been pretty moderate for the last few decades. While Jessie Helms got perpetually re-elected, so did Sam Ervin.


That's the kind of propaganda I expect from Best Carolina.
 
2013-03-18 12:47:02 AM  

gingerjet: WhoopAssWayne: gingerjet: FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.

And this is where he lost me.

If you met him, you'd love him. If you stuck around him for too long, you'd really start to dislike him :(

I'm sure he's a nice guy.  But incredibly naive.  Many of the Founding Fathers pushed for tighter regulations and improved building codes.  For simple basic reasons.  Badly built buildings either fall or burn down.  This isn't rocket science.

/and I'm all for biatching about government overregulation but anyone who compares 2013 America to 1776 America is a complete idiot.


Heh.
 
2013-03-18 12:47:38 AM  
They had buildings in Yosemite that weren't kept up to code.  It really wasn't a problem.  Except for the rodent feces in the walls that lead the hantavirus outbreak it really was a non-issue.  I don't see why this is an issue.

Apparently, the last great American isn't a great carpenter.
 
2013-03-18 12:50:48 AM  
First in New York, the government tells you what you can drink.
Then in the Appalachians, the governmen tells you where you can shiat.
It's a slippery slope, and it's slippery because of all the bullshiat!
 
2013-03-18 12:56:16 AM  
 is fighting the department over their violations.

Perhaps I'm stating the stating the obvious but why not just fix the issues?
Or does that make too much sense?

screw it - you want problems?  You got 'em if you want 'em.
 
2013-03-18 12:59:01 AM  
Just make sure he gets a license for his fish while he's at it.

b.vimeocdn.com
 
2013-03-18 01:01:49 AM  

gingerjet: Many of the Founding Fathers pushed for tighter regulations and improved building codes


I'm an engineer, but not civil/structural type, so I can't speak directly to this, other than to say his building style - and he is not an engineer either - but is based on historical style which he has studied as an anthropologist. He talks about building on a foundation of rock rather than concrete for example. Perhaps you're a civil engineer (w/PE) and can shed some light on this?
 
2013-03-18 01:06:03 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.

Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.


That fails to address if shiatting behind that tree ends up in the communities water supply, and also fails to address the basic role of government, which is too look out for people. If there is a crappy camp in my area  I don't want to have to wait until my "for profit" news station decides it's a big enough problem to start informing people.

I can't reasonably spend 2-3 days at each possible camp I may want to send my children to testing sanitary conditions, quarantine procedures, fire safety, screening the counselors for sex crimes, etc. This is part of what I pay taxes to have the government do.

It's a really great system, since we no longer hunt our own food, care for our own children while we're at work, educate our own children when we aren't around them, etc. We have a government that hires people to do just that very shiat.

That's why it pisses me off so much when a holes who can afford to have a stay at home wife performing these functions insist we don't need stuff like this. We do, the majority of American's rely on the government to do exactly that.

When you suggest that you don't need to pay me enough and/or fund enough time off for me to check out stuff for myself, and insist that my taxes shouldn't go to paying someone else to check it out, that's when I turn against you. I'm not your servant, and I am concerned about my children's health and safety, more than I'm concerned about you and your profits.

Send my job overseas, poison my environment, keep me sick, but when the shiat hits the fan; I care more about my children than I do about your profits, and there are more people who think like me than who think like you.

In the numbers game, we win. So enjoy your wealth until those who defend you are voted out, or removed.
 
2013-03-18 01:06:49 AM  
 
2013-03-18 01:07:42 AM  

rhiannon: Are there multiple camps? The guys website says he has children's summer camps.


Maybe there is just a terminology disconnect or something? Do you consider 18, 19, 20 year olds to be children? Hey, I'm not defending anything here - I just live around here - I believe just young adults and older go there, but that's just my understanding.
 
2013-03-18 01:13:02 AM  

Kensey: jso2897: squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.

The guys who say that shiat are always fat, soft white boys who would have survived about five minutes on the frontier.

The thing is, yeah, they didn't have building and sanitation codes in the old days, but smart settlers were smart enough to notice things like "the water out of the Johnsons' and Biddles' wells tastes like shiat.  They're sick an awful lot... maybe we ought to keep our outhouse well away from our well, just in case."  Or, whether or not they noticed themselves, they had sense to listen to the old-timers who told them the best way to do things.  Same thing with bad meat, rancid butter, etc.  I mean a lot of it is just plain farking common sense -- if it tastes or smells like shiat, or rotten, maybe you shouldn't eat it or wash in it.  But there's often a gap there between what's actually bad for you, microbially speaking, and what you can tell is bad for you.

Later on that kind of thing gets formalized and people figure out why "shiatty-smelling water = sick all the time and die a lot more".  The people who survived either had really good luck, badass immune systems, or brains smart enough to live by the common-sense sanitation code before it was written down and made law.

For the most part if you're just living alone, eati ...


Ya ya ya, but now we have toxins we can't taste, smell, or see. They take years to kill you, and who know's maybe it's all just second hand smoke. Your argument is tired, lacks any sort of modern thinking, and promotes the values of people, who want to take advantage of others by promoting a "gray area" even while they are insisting that marriage should be black and white, man and woman.

So, my response is, whatever, you're not fooling anyone but yourself and the lesser educated among us. You'll probably become wealthy, but not because you're smarter or better than anyone else, just less morally concerned about your fellow man. I wouldn't be surprised if you called yourself a Christian.
 
2013-03-18 01:15:49 AM  
Let's do everything the way YOU want to do them.
 
2013-03-18 01:29:24 AM  
Luckily for me my family is worth in exess of 50 million $.The fortunes foundation was laid by great Grampa Josia who captained a fleet of 6 merchant vessels between South Carolina and North Africa in the years leading up to 1850 when he went out of business.But by then it didnt matter as he allready made a mint.He moved to Canada and weve been high on the hog ever since. God Bless the ol' U.S.A.
 
2013-03-18 01:54:53 AM  

vudukungfu: TWX: I'm sorry for this guy that he apparently didn't seek out what the rules are, but it's his job to keep his guests/lodgers safe.

Like the Carnival Cruise dudes?


I'm going with a classic.
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-03-18 01:55:50 AM  

Brick-House: [www.frugal-cafe.com image 500x531]


We are mimicking the Romans. We are looking for our Caesar.
 
2013-03-18 02:03:23 AM  

Skarekrough: No one is infringing on his rights to be a backwoods hillbilly.


Our country would be much saner if more backwoods hillbillies realized this.
 
2013-03-18 02:13:32 AM  
There are just too many typos and grammatical errors in that article for me to believe that they did any serious background research.  Puts in doubt everything in the article.

If you don't have the time to write a simple sentence, how can I believe that you have put in the time to accurately research and describe the thing that you are writing about?!?

/DailyFail, you have once again wasted my time.
 
2013-03-18 02:22:39 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.


Are the Nazis responsible for my drug consumption or should I stop painting the bees?
 
2013-03-18 02:24:47 AM  

UnspokenVoice: WhoopAssWayne: I can't believe this has made the fark homepage twice in one week. Yet you are the most incurious dumbasses of all time - not one unique question, nothing, just 'wow brau'. heh.

Are the Nazis responsible for my drug consumption or should I stop painting the bees?


Well the Nazis issued amphemtamines and we give amphetamines to children. So yes, they are to blame.
 
2013-03-18 02:45:31 AM  

Hillbilly Jim: Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.


I tried to shiat behind a tree once, but I got confused because I couldn't tell which way the tree was facing
 
2013-03-18 02:52:46 AM  
img194.imageshack.us

/Yeah, eeeeeeeevil nitpicky gummint there.  On one of the other buildings, the wood roof shakes are treated with motor oil.  That should stand up well in a fire.
 
2013-03-18 03:14:12 AM  
For Christ's sake, it's the Daily fricking Mail. Please do better, Fark.
 
2013-03-18 03:26:58 AM  

Happy Hours: Hillbilly Jim: Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.

I tried to shiat behind a tree once, but I got confused because I couldn't tell which way the tree was facing


Duh, it's on the other side from the face:
 
2013-03-18 03:27:51 AM  

untaken_name: Happy Hours: Hillbilly Jim: Easy solution, don't send your kids there or don't go there yourself. Dude isn't running a daycare he's running a primitive style day camp. I'll let ya in on a secret, when I went camping with the boy scouts when i was young there wasn't hot and cold running water and batrhooms, we shiat behind a tree.

I tried to shiat behind a tree once, but I got confused because I couldn't tell which way the tree was facing

Duh, it's on the other side from the face:


I hate you, fark preview. I hate you SO MUCH.
Imagine there's a picture of a tree with a face there. I found it on GIS.
 
2013-03-18 03:28:05 AM  
The US has building codes now?
 
2013-03-18 03:34:12 AM  

deadsanta: A genuine mountain man wouldn't be running a farking summer camp. Hippie-for-profit.


this

Spartan_Manhandler: [img194.imageshack.us image 408x399]

/Yeah, eeeeeeeevil nitpicky gummint there.  On one of the other buildings, the wood roof shakes are treated with motor oil.  That should stand up well in a fire.


Not to mention the roof in that particular picture is way overloaded with shingles that are too heavy, hence the failing canteliever.

//Cholera for some, little American flags for others
 
2013-03-18 03:39:18 AM  

NewWorldDan: Dick Proenneke says this dude is a pussy and a hack.


Now there's a man you can respect.
 
2013-03-18 03:55:36 AM  

cretinbob: Here's a better article that even shows one of the buildings that is failing.



Okay, so it's failing.

Now then...if the county is this Concerned About The ChildrenTM, and not just shaking the guy down for the county's cut of the credentialing fees and whatever other fees they charge local architects and other tradespeople, the then I would expect them to have been looking into the campgoers' living arrangements for the other 51 weeks of the year, and doing so just as thoroughly as they've done with Mr. Conway.

What if their "modern" homes and conveniences haven't been inspected for adherence to safety and sanitary codes since they went up 20, 30 or more years ago? Take just televisions, which have changed considerably in the past 15 years. The number of injuries and fatalities from falling TV sets is increasing, with one child killed every couple of weeks, and yet we do not require parents to mount TV sets properly and have them periodically inspected.

If you oppose mandatory architectural-soundness installation checks for all TV purchases, you're a shill for the electronics and furniture industries and besides it's for the children and it's worth it if it saves just one life...
 
2013-03-18 04:37:03 AM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-18 05:41:34 AM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


"There was a boy called Eustace Clarence Scrubb, and he almost deserved it."
 
2013-03-18 05:51:38 AM  
If I was called to jury duty, and the case involved someone who slowly tortured to death the people who made and enforce these laws, I would vote 'not guilty.'
 
2013-03-18 06:00:10 AM  

cman: Oh, and also, who the hell names their kid "Eustace"?


Jedediah and Hannah.
 
2013-03-18 06:10:07 AM  
NC? Click. Yep.

/only place I know that would both attract and regulate that guy.
 
2013-03-18 06:40:50 AM  

gingerjet: WhoopAssWayne: gingerjet: FTFA While he said he doesn't have 'a perfect record,' he added that America's Founding Fathers did not have to live up to scrupulous building codes.

And this is where he lost me.

If you met him, you'd love him. If you stuck around him for too long, you'd really start to dislike him :(

I'm sure he's a nice guy.  But incredibly naive.  Many of the Founding Fathers pushed for tighter regulations and improved building codes.  For simple basic reasons.  Badly built buildings either fall or burn down.


You forgot, "and then sank into the swamp."
 
2013-03-18 06:59:13 AM  

Capt. Sparkles: cambie: This About That: By "properly marked" does TFA mean the grade markings stamped on stacks of lumber by a lumber mill? If that is so, and it is why they are accusing him of being "not to code", then this, indeed, fairly outrageous. OTOH, there is no real telling from TFA.

I too wondered what "properly marked" meant. The rough lumber I buy isn't marked. But it is separated into different racks by A+, A, and B price codes usually.

From reading only the headline I assumed it had something to do with him just cutting down trees that he has no legal right to cut down. Property line disputes of that nature can turn into royal financial shiatsorms for whomever is on the wrong end of one.


He owns 500 acres. Doubtful he is harvesting from his property line.
 
2013-03-18 07:50:19 AM  
Those buildings will last longer than my prefabricated house built with excess center width and the cheapest available materials and labor du'jour from under the awning at Home Depot.

/wife wanted it. It was cute and in the right location
 
2013-03-18 08:02:20 AM  

8Fingers: Get a haircut and take a shower you dirty hippie.
Seriously, who in this day and age is still OK with looking like you haven't moved past the 60's?


Trust me, you'd hate it up here where I'm staying in the Calif high desert area. I see those plenty of those sorts whenever I head into town. It's one of the benefits of being surrounded by severely independent people whose conversation is limited to NASCAR, guns, and politics.
 
2013-03-18 08:37:44 AM  
Ok. So some guy starts building shiatty primitive houses for himself.
Goes to town, and some other dude says, "you should teach primitive building /living and charge people" and slaps him a high five on his back in a drunken stupor. "Guy" walks away and makes it a reality to the surprise of everyone. Because he turned his nutjob buildings into a business, it gets regulated. Welcome to a first world country. Sorry dude. You found a way to make money, now you've got to play by the rules.
 
2013-03-18 08:56:16 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I think the only reason the government cares at all is that he's apparently operating a day camp for kids. Which requires a license, which requires, oh, I don't know, that you meet the conditions of the license.

Either that, or this has something to do with Barack Obama taking all our freedoms. Could be either one.


THIS

If you get a license and offer to be responsible for the safety of other people's kids then you gotta play by the rules.

/Thanks Obama.
 
2013-03-18 09:33:15 AM  
This is the kind of guy idiot Fakers use the word  "bootstrappy" for.
 
2013-03-18 10:04:58 AM  
 
2013-03-18 10:09:08 AM  

JerkyMeat: Stop teaching that America is the Land of the free, home of the brave.  It's nothing but bullshiat.

We are not the greatest nation on earth, we are not free people.  The long and the short of it is, we're farked.

If you are rich, you may have an ok life, otherwise you are basically a slave.


I think that's being a little over-dramatic. Yes, the tax policies (and pretty-much everything else) in this country are skewed to benefit the rich, but that's not all that uncommon. We certainly have our problems, and there may be a few places on Earth that are slightly better, but there are a hell of a lot of places where people have it a lot worse. I'd rather be lower-middle class in America (which is very achievable) than rich in a third-world hellhole. I guess if working 40 hours a week to get a paycheck makes me a slave, then so be it. It beats the hell out of sustenance farming or assembling iPhones in a Chinese factory.
 
2013-03-18 11:00:43 AM  

WhoopAssWayne: doglover: Did you read the article? No, you didn't.

I read the article and I actually live here - no children live in this camp, you stupid f***ing dumbass.


Hey, I live nearby also.

This is direct from their own website:  Right on the front page.

2013 Summer Camp Dates

Father and Son Camp
June 14-17 , 2013
Young Boys Camp (ages 7-10)
June 23 - 29, 2013
 Adult Camp (ages 18+)
June 25 - June 29, 2013
Older Boys Camp (ages 11-17)
June 30 - July 13, 2013
Older Girls Camp (ages 12-18)
July 14 - 27, 2013
Young Girls Camp (ages 7-11)
July 14 - 20, 2013
 Family Camp (all ages)
August 1 - 7, 2013

Outside of these, he also often hosts Boy Scout retreats, and school camps.  So, yeah, he needs to bring his code up to snuff.  And he's a raging psycho - who chains their neighbors gate and tries to claim part of their property?  He's been cited with trespassing at least once.
 
2013-03-18 11:03:02 AM  
MylesHeartVodak:Outside of these, he also often hosts Boy Scout retreats, and school camps.  So, yeah, he needs to bring his code up to snuff.

I thought being up to snuff was the problem.
 
2013-03-18 11:07:07 AM  

Kensey: The thing is, yeah, they didn't have building and sanitation codes in the old days, but smart settlers were smart enough to notice things like "the water out of the Johnsons' and Biddles' wells tastes like shiat. They're sick an awful lot... maybe we ought to keep our outhouse well away from our well, just in case." Or, whether or not they noticed themselves, they had sense to listen to the old-timers who told them the best way to do things. Same thing with bad meat, rancid butter, etc. I mean a lot of it is just plain farking common sense -- if it tastes or smells like shiat, or rotten, maybe you shouldn't eat it or wash in it. But there's often a gap there between what's actually bad for you, microbially speaking, and what you can tell is bad for you.

Later on that kind of thing gets formalized and people figure out why "shiatty-smelling water = sick all the time and die a lot more". The people who survived either had really good luck, badass immune systems, or brains smart enough to live by the common-sense sanitation code before it was written down and made law.

For the most part if you're just living alone, eating your own shiat and scarfing down maggoty possum every night, the authorities couldn't care less. But if you're exposing other people unknowingly to that hazardous "lifestyle", they take a keener interest.


Yup.  To a large degree building codes are simply the hard-learned lessons of history codified.

They have occasional stupidities when they get too detailed in prescribing one answer to a hazard and precluding other approaches.  (For example, some building codes simply require two escape paths from sleeping quarters.  Others require a window or door escape path.)
 
2013-03-18 12:02:27 PM  
DIAF bureaucrats
 
2013-03-18 03:00:14 PM  
"Man who has spent 30 years building a small farm in the Appalachian mountains faces having to tear it all down because local officials found the wood he cut and milled himself wasn't properly marked taxed."

Fixed. Yer'elcome.
 
2013-03-18 08:44:32 PM  

cc_rider: If this guy wasn't running a commercial enterprise that requires all buildings to be up to code, I might be just as poutraged as subby's headline. Hopefully he can work things out with the state, and make some necessary upgrades.


If you've watched any of the programming on the Discovery channel about him, you'd know that he doesn't have any money. Any. Everything owns is handmade or from the wild, pretty much. I highly doubt he can afford to get anything up to code, and quite frankly, I don't think that "code" should really apply to him. It's not like he's in a suburban setting and he's endangering anyone else. Leave him alone and let him do his crazy woodsman thing.
 
2013-03-18 10:09:30 PM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: If you've watched any of the programming on the Discovery channel about him, you'd know that he doesn't have any money. Any


So there's a tv show about him and he's not getting paid for it? I thought he was just silly - now you're telling me he's pants-on-head stupid?
 
2013-03-18 11:54:26 PM  

untaken_name: Your Average Witty Fark User: If you've watched any of the programming on the Discovery channel about him, you'd know that he doesn't have any money. Any

So there's a tv show about him and he's not getting paid for it? I thought he was just silly - now you're telling me he's pants-on-head stupid?


Pardon me, wrong channel. He was on "Mountain Men" on the History channel. Don't kid yourself, the pay sucks. I know that for some of those "reality" shows, the pay could be like $500 an episode.
 
2013-03-19 01:58:17 AM  

squirrelflavoredyogurt: jso2897: squirrelflavoredyogurt: STRYPERSWINE: Thank goodness these state inspectors were here when the country was being built!  Daniel Boone could have been killed by an out of code log cabin!

Perhaps you're OK with sending your children to a "summer camp" that is a breeding ground for disease, hell you might even be OK with people being able to shiat directly into the water that's going to be coming out of your kitchen faucet, there is no accounting for taste, but I'm frankly sick and tired of idiots who want to whine about "the gubmint" checking shiat out to make sure it meets minimum safety codes.

Go ahead and keep whining, I hope you die from 7 day old road kill burger, because you know Daniel Boon and all that shiat.

The guys who say that shiat are always fat, soft white boys who would have survived about five minutes on the frontier.

Yes, because you'd have to be a fat, soft, white, male youth to want to make sure someone other than the person who's providing you with the food you're eating is safe, labeled correctly, and not bacteria ridden.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ad-hominem


I think they were saying it's always that type that spouts the Daniel Boone "shiat", not the other way?
 
2013-03-19 01:14:14 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Taylor Mental: Hillbillies make awesome teevee shows.

He is pretty much the real deal. I have nothing to lose or gain by telling you this other than this guy lives in my county and I've been following him on the news. Farker doglover would hump his leg if he could.


Nah, don't get me wrong, as reality shows go his is one of the least offensive of the slew of nonsense airing on cable. I'd much rather watch him do menial farm chores than Kim Kardashian and her sister get Brazilian wax jobs while commenting on how gross each other's vaginas are. How anyone can stand to watch that shiat I'll never understand.
 
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