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(Washington Times)   Hollywood is totally confused over the success of "The Bible" miniseries, wondering how the rest of country could be so out of touch with Hollywood's vain, shallow lack of values   (washingtontimes.com) divider line 181
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2013-03-17 04:56:58 PM  
The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link
 
2013-03-17 04:59:45 PM  
I'm not a believer and I'm watching it. I'm sure there are many others like myself.
 
2013-03-17 05:00:58 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link


Black Samson and black & Asian angels were nice touches.
 
2013-03-17 05:53:59 PM  
What "values"? Incest?
 
2013-03-17 05:54:16 PM  
You mean a series based on the Bible appeals to a predominantly Christian population???
 
2013-03-17 05:56:16 PM  
I should probably point out that all of the "Hollywood is confused" stuff this article keeps going on about is 100% sarcastic assumptions.

Also, the Washington Times is a rag.
 
2013-03-17 06:00:30 PM  
One thing that is confusing though is why do these people speak with British accents?
 
2013-03-17 06:06:28 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link


He's Portugese.

/take THAT, blue-eyed Messiahs who look like Ted Nugent!
 
2013-03-17 06:08:07 PM  
The only time I'd reach for the Washington Times is if I just dropped a massive, Taco Bell fueled dump and I looked over and saw that the toilet paper roll was empty.
 
2013-03-17 06:12:01 PM  
It's a violent book filled with war and incest. I'd say it's right up their alley!
 
2013-03-17 06:13:03 PM  

NewportBarGuy: It's a violent book filled with war and incest. I'd say it's right up their alley!


Maybe Ted Nugent is right for the part after all.
 
2013-03-17 06:17:24 PM  

Krymson Tyde: One thing that is confusing though is why do these people speak with British accents?


If I had my way, actors portraying people from the ancient near east, Greece and Rome would speak with Brooklyn accents.

I'm not joking.
 
2013-03-17 06:28:25 PM  

eraser8: Krymson Tyde: One thing that is confusing though is why do these people speak with British accents?

If I had my way, actors portraying people from the ancient near east, Greece and Rome would speak with Brooklyn accents.

I'm not joking.


cdn2.blogs.babble.com

"Yondah lies da castle of my faddah."
 
2013-03-17 06:44:21 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link


Stop promoting liberal lies as the truth, you historical revisionist you. Jesus was whiter than the pale lilies on your lawn.

i.qkme.me
 
2013-03-17 06:45:30 PM  

Sgt Otter: eraser8: Krymson Tyde: One thing that is confusing though is why do these people speak with British accents?

If I had my way, actors portraying people from the ancient near east, Greece and Rome would speak with Brooklyn accents.

I'm not joking.



"Yondah lies da castle of my faddah."


I know it's not Brooklyn, but
i658.photobucket.com
Yo, let my people go. Ya know?
 
2013-03-17 06:51:59 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Bob_Laublaw: The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link

Black Samson and black & Asian angels were nice touches.


Okay, best place to ask this as any: Who the fark played Samson? I'm sure I've seen him, think he played a thug in  The World Is Not Enough but I can't even find him there....
 
2013-03-17 06:53:40 PM  

eraser8: Krymson Tyde: One thing that is confusing though is why do these people speak with British accents?

If I had my way, actors portraying people from the ancient near east, Greece and Rome would speak with Brooklyn accents.

I'm not joking.


"I told him, Julie, don't go..."
 
2013-03-17 06:53:56 PM  
Comedy of the year.
 
2013-03-17 06:57:30 PM  
Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.
 
2013-03-17 07:10:00 PM  

maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.


I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it
 
2013-03-17 07:14:43 PM  
*reads article*
*nobody confounded*
 
2013-03-17 07:17:35 PM  

Mentat: You mean a series based on the Bible appeals to a predominantly Christian population???


Hmm, it's a wacky idea, but it just might work.
 
2013-03-17 07:31:29 PM  

sleeps in trees: My son's been watching it.  We aren't religious and every time is try and explain what Christians believe he thought I was messing with him.  I understand why, when you've not been raised with it.  You should have seen his face when Moses parted the Red Sea.   I kind of wish every religion made a movie, so as to better understand them.


Yeah ... from an outside point of view, religious people believe in some whacky shiat.
 
2013-03-17 07:31:49 PM  

eraser8: If I had my way, actors portraying people from the ancient near east, Greece and Rome would speak with Brooklyn accents.
I'm not joking.


I think portraying the Roman Empire like NY Italian mafia thugs would be the most accurate portrayal of ancient history ever devised.
 
2013-03-17 07:32:30 PM  
Whoa subby. Are you telling us that people are are absolutely stuck in their own little fantasy world are attracted to bible movie/shows like flies to your ass as it spews shiat out in to the forest?

/Religion: one of the biggest metal healthcare issues known to humankind.
 
2013-03-17 07:33:16 PM  
Says the paper owned by the Moonies.
 
2013-03-17 07:36:09 PM  

maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.


'God fearing folk' like the ones in flyover America that bought up the majority of tickets to 'Magic Mike'? That's some wholesome entertainment alright. Fun for the whole family.
 
2013-03-17 07:39:00 PM  

maxalt: most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.


In other news, porn is now apparently considered wholesome entertainment.
 
2013-03-17 07:41:06 PM  
This should not be a big surprise, period movies based on ancient epic stories have done well even in recent times, The 300 broke box office records, Gladiator was one of the highest grossing films of 2000.  The stories from the Bible, especially in the Old Testament are interesting stories.  Some people look at them from the religious stand point, others look at them the same way they look at Homer's Odyssey or Aesop's Fables.

The reason Hollywood doesn't make more of these movies is because they are too expensive, people expect a better product on the big screen than basic cable.
 
2013-03-17 07:44:22 PM  

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: 'God fearing folk' like the ones in flyover America that bought up the majority of tickets to 'Magic Mike'? That's some wholesome entertainment alright. Fun for the whole family.


Well, watching Joe Mangiello dancing shirtless on a giant screen is a religious experience.
 
2013-03-17 07:45:02 PM  

NewportBarGuy: It's a violent book filled with war and incest. I'd say it's right up their alley!


That's it. Even for non-religious people, it's something violent and grandiose to put out before Game of Thrones comes back.
 
2013-03-17 07:45:59 PM  

Tom_Slick: This should not be a big surprise, period movies based on ancient epic stories have done well even in recent times, The 300 broke box office records, Gladiator was one of the highest grossing films of 2000.  The stories from the Bible, especially in the Old Testament are interesting stories.  Some people look at them from the religious stand point, others look at them the same way they look at Homer's Odyssey or Aesop's Fables.

The reason Hollywood doesn't make more of these movies is because they are too expensive, people expect a better product on the big screen than basic cable.


What always surprised me was the lack of any movies about when the Mongols nearly wiped out the Islamic Caliphate, given the rather intense anti-Muslim bias in America. Then again, it was brown on brown violence, and the Mongols were nowhere near the homoerotic conservative fapfest that the Spartans were.
 
2013-03-17 07:46:11 PM  
I have to say, I enjoy the nordic porn that comes on after it better.
 
2013-03-17 07:46:57 PM  
i32.servimg.com
 
2013-03-17 07:47:20 PM  
Maybe people are watching it because they hope that the better ratings are for this type of show, less airtime will be devoted to dreck like Pwned Stars and axe-holes.
 
2013-03-17 07:47:32 PM  
Thought about trying it, but it didn't appear to be available to on Hulu. Luckily Vikings is, the one I was really interested in. Thor is way more awesomer than Jesus. Get a haircut, hippy.

Though I will say the fire god in Game of Thrones seem like he might have his shiat together. He's got pretty decent taste in priestesses, and he spawns shadowy assassins instead of sacrificial lambs.
 
2013-03-17 07:48:03 PM  
This just in:

People love history so long as its full of sex and violence.

/Rome
//Tudors
///Spartacus
 
2013-03-17 07:48:07 PM  
Meh.  It's obvious they left the ending open as a teaser for the sequel.
 
2013-03-17 07:48:49 PM  

Sgt Otter: eraser8: Krymson Tyde: One thing that is confusing though is why do these people speak with British accents?

If I had my way, actors portraying people from the ancient near east, Greece and Rome would speak with Brooklyn accents.

I'm not joking.

[cdn2.blogs.babble.com image 320x240]

"Yondah lies da castle of my faddah."


Edward G Robinson in The Ten Commandments is awesome

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-17 07:49:34 PM  

LectertheChef: Then again, it was brown on brown violence, and the Mongols were nowhere near the homoerotic conservative fapfest that the Spartans were.


That's the reason no way to include muscled up white dudes.
 
2013-03-17 07:51:29 PM  

Ishkur: People love history so long as its full of sex and violence.

 
Well, lucky for them history is full of that sort of thing.


\heard the book was better.
 
2013-03-17 07:51:49 PM  

maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.


Look at this post everyone. Look and point and laugh.

By the way, good job back-dating this alt account, max.
 
2013-03-17 07:51:51 PM  
Eh. Vikings is better, and became pretty awesome when they went and slaughtered the entire monastery last week. Made me love those sea-going scamps even more.
 
2013-03-17 08:01:12 PM  
I would love for someone who isn't a fervent believer to film stories from the bible. It has good stories that would be even better with critical thought applied.
 
2013-03-17 08:04:31 PM  

bborchar: I would love for someone who isn't a fervent believer to film stories from the bible. It has good stories that would be even better with critical thought applied.


It's not a movie, but here you go:
The Book of Genesis Illustrated by R. Crumb
 
2013-03-17 08:06:36 PM  

LectertheChef: maxalt: most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

In other news, porn is now apparently considered wholesome entertainment.


Or at least both real and ironic.  Like "Scripture" can be, come to think of it.

Ishkur: This just in:

People love history so long as its full of sex and violence.

/Rome
//Tudors
///Spartacus


////French Revolution
//Nazi Germany
//the Antebellum South - yes, true
//lots of 20th C. 3rd World dictatorships
 
2013-03-17 08:07:13 PM  

bborchar: I would love for someone who isn't a fervent believer to film stories from the bible. It has good stories that would be even better with critical thought applied.


Get ready for Noah, the new Aranofsky movie.
 
2013-03-17 08:10:00 PM  

Krymson Tyde: Bob_Laublaw: The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link

Black Samson and black & Asian angels were nice touches.


And of course the Asian one was basically a ninja.
 
2013-03-17 08:11:26 PM  

kingoomieiii: I should probably point out that all of the "Hollywood is confused" stuff this article keeps going on about is 100% sarcastic assumptions.

Also, the Washington Times is a rag.


This. I heard Mike Huckabee saying the same thing on the radio earlier this week. I haven't heard/seen/read anyone from Hollywood expressing their dumbfounded amazement.

/Huckabee rags a lot, too
 
2013-03-17 08:11:28 PM  
Friends don't let friends reply to obvious alts.
 
2013-03-17 08:17:29 PM  
I don't believe in aliens or bigfoot either, but I still watch the History Channel on occasion, usually when I'm high as fark. Also, one shouldn't underestimate the power of drooling mongoloids; they got Bush elected twice, after all, and that wasn't so long ago.
 
2013-03-17 08:19:04 PM  
A show about the Bible on the "History Channel" is equivalent to having a show about fire-breathing dragons on "Animal Planet".
 
2013-03-17 08:19:52 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: NewportBarGuy: It's a violent book filled with war and incest. I'd say it's right up their alley!

Maybe Ted Nugent is right for the part after all.


I don't remember reading about King David shiatting himself to get out of fighting, but to be fair it has been a while since I read it.
 
2013-03-17 08:20:54 PM  

eraser8: Krymson Tyde: One thing that is confusing though is why do these people speak with British accents?

If I had my way, actors portraying people from the ancient near east, Greece and Rome would speak with Brooklyn accents.

I'm not joking.


A little like Harvey Keitel in the Last Temptation of Christ, then?
 
2013-03-17 08:22:47 PM  

DamnYankees: What "values"? Incest?


Compassion for haters so you're covered.
 
2013-03-17 08:25:04 PM  

Krymson Tyde: I'm not a believer and I'm watching it. I'm sure there are many others like myself.


Yeah, me neither (on the "believer" thing).

If something is very compelling and has a good production value, most people will watch it regardless of the subject matter.

As for the sex and violence bit, that's dramatic flair. These aren't documentaries, they're dramatizations of historical events. While my own preference is to know in what places a show or movie is historically inaccurate, I understand why certain "artistic licenses" are taken. This phenomenon isn't just relegated to the media we consume today. It has been going on ever since Muktuukaluk told his first story around the camp fire.

/"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
 
2013-03-17 08:25:30 PM  

Farking Canuck: sleeps in trees: My son's been watching it.  We aren't religious and every time is try and explain what Christians believe he thought I was messing with him.  I understand why, when you've not been raised with it.  You should have seen his face when Moses parted the Red Sea.   I kind of wish every religion made a movie, so as to better understand them.

Yeah ... from an outside point of view, religious people believe in some whacky shiat.


Yeah... from a religious point of view. atheists believe in some whacy shiat too.
 
2013-03-17 08:27:30 PM  

pion: Well, lucky for them history is full of that sort of thing.


I didn't realize so many people throughout history looked like they just stepped out of a Bowflex commercial.
 
2013-03-17 08:27:49 PM  

douchebag/hater: Yeah... from a religious point of view. atheists believe in some whacy shiat too.


Generally speaking, any fanatic, no matter what their belief set, believes in wacky shiat.
 
2013-03-17 08:30:28 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: Generally speaking, any fanatic, no matter what their belief set, believes in wacky shiat.


Don't have to be a fanatic, my goofball sister thought Life of Pi was a true story.
 
2013-03-17 08:31:28 PM  

maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.


> sex (including seedy shiat like child rape - Virgin Mary sorry Voijen Mewy was 12 - and incest
> violence (oh boy, violence)
> drama (more like mellow-drama)
> supernatural creepiness
> special effects
> slow-moving pageantry

What is there not to like? About the Bible, I mean. Not the mini-series (can't get it in Southeast Asia, thank Baal).
 
2013-03-17 08:32:36 PM  

trotsky: Eh. Vikings is better, and became pretty awesome when they went and slaughtered the entire monastery last week. Made me love those sea-going scamps even more.


So. You're sooooo tolerant of different ideas that you like to see religious people killed.
Christians AND Muslims AND Hindus?
Or just Christians?

You're a religious bigot.
 
2013-03-17 08:33:01 PM  

albert71292: A show about the Bible on the "History Channel" is equivalent to having a show about fire-breathing dragons on "Animal Planet".


Believe in it or not, but the Bible, and Christianity as a whole, has had a major effect on world history. I'd be all for History Channel doing similar productions based on other religions' texts. I'd go so far as to say a comparative religion course should be part of standard high school curriculum.
 
2013-03-17 08:37:25 PM  
Who's confused?

Not one actual quote from anyone expressing confusion.

But we know a lot of people must be because everyone in Hollywood thinks the same way and the Washington Times has them all figured out.
 
2013-03-17 08:39:01 PM  
Old time movie producer Cecil B DeMille made his fortune with Bible epics. He used to say "Give me any two pages of the Bible and I'll give you a picture."
He is also quoted as saying "Every time I make a picture the critics' estimate of American public taste goes down ten percent." and "I make my pictures for people, not for critics."

He had the guy who wrote TFA pegged before he was even born.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again;there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes, 1:9
 
2013-03-17 08:47:49 PM  

douchebag/hater: trotsky: Eh. Vikings is better, and became pretty awesome when they went and slaughtered the entire monastery last week. Made me love those sea-going scamps even more.

So. You're sooooo tolerant of different ideas that you like to see religious people killed.
Christians AND Muslims AND Hindus?
Or just Christians?

You're a religious bigot.


Killing is a little much.  But I'd totally go for not letting delusional, superstitious religio-fascists vote.

And in the US, especially the christo-fascists...the Rape-lubicans.
 
2013-03-17 08:57:40 PM  

FriarReb98: Krymson Tyde: Bob_Laublaw: The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link

Black Samson and black & Asian angels were nice touches.

Okay, best place to ask this as any: Who the fark played Samson? I'm sure I've seen him, think he played a thug in  The World Is Not Enough but I can't even find him there....


I'm pretty sure it's the guy played Michael Oher in "The Blind Side".  IMDB doesn't have a listing for Samson, though.
 
2013-03-17 09:04:37 PM  

maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.


Let-me-laugh-harder.jpg
 
2013-03-17 09:05:39 PM  
HAHA!
 
2013-03-17 09:11:29 PM  

sleeps in trees: douchebag/hater: Farking Canuck: sleeps in trees: My son's been watching it.  We aren't religious and every time is try and explain what Christians believe he thought I was messing with him.  I understand why, when you've not been raised with it.  You should have seen his face when Moses parted the Red Sea.   I kind of wish every religion made a movie, so as to better understand them.

Yeah ... from an outside point of view, religious people believe in some whacky shiat.

Yeah... from a religious point of view. atheists believe in some whacy shiat too.

I'm not atheist, but I don't subscribe to a specific religion. I don't know how that is "whacy".


Whacist.
 
2013-03-17 09:15:25 PM  
Moonies. They're wacky.
 
2013-03-17 09:17:58 PM  

albert71292: A show about the Bible on the "History Channel" is equivalent to having a show about fire-breathing dragons on "Animal Planet".


i1050.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-17 09:25:18 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

The most popular movie of all time is an anti-corporate, anti-war, pro-environmental hippie love fest.
 
2013-03-17 09:26:43 PM  

bborchar: I would love for someone who isn't a fervent believer to film stories from the bible. It has good stories that would be even better with critical thought applied.


It's been done, .viz. Last Temptation of Christ. You don't have to get all defensive about the Bible to realize it was an AWFUL movie.
 
2013-03-17 09:35:10 PM  

FriarReb98: Krymson Tyde: Bob_Laublaw: The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link

Black Samson and black & Asian angels were nice touches.

Okay, best place to ask this as any: Who the fark played Samson? I'm sure I've seen him, think he played a thug in  The World Is Not Enough but I can't even find him there....


It's the guy who played Xaro Xhoan Daxos in GoT. Also from GoT I've seen so far are Yoren as Saul and Amory Lorch as the guy who sentenced Samson to death.
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2013-03-17 09:36:52 PM  
I do not understand this.
WHAT is the problem with hollywood again?
Hollywood makes whatever hollywood wants to make.
If you dont like it, then found your own movie industry and make your own movies.

Bollywood makes movies for a specific audience.
Jesuswood couple make movies for the holyrollers.
It would be successful.

and then??
what was the point again?
Hollywood doesnt make what you want? MAKE YOUR OWN!!

/history channel is running fiction again?? FFS
 
2013-03-17 09:41:01 PM  
douchebag/hater:

Yeah... from a religious point of view. atheists believe in some whacy shiat too.

Really? Please state one thing that all, or even the majority of atheists, claim to be true.

Difficulty: Do not build the typical religious strawman of "Atheists claim gods do not exist"
 
2013-03-17 09:48:15 PM  
Did... Did they give Satan a French accent?
 
2013-03-17 09:53:48 PM  

Farking Canuck: douchebag/hater:

Yeah... from a religious point of view. atheists believe in some whacy shiat too.

Really? Please state one thing that all, or even the majority of atheists, claim to be true.

Difficulty: Do not build the typical religious strawman of "Atheists claim gods do not exist"


See, atheists don't believe in anything therefore everything is OK so atheists like to stomp puppies to death and eat kittens and rape babies because if you don't believe in God and Hell then anything you do is OK because there is no punishment and morality can only exist if you are threatened with eternal torture which is the only reason I don't rape and steal and kill all the time although I really really want to.
 
2013-03-17 10:02:59 PM  

Farking Canuck: Please state one thing that all, or even the majority of atheists, claim to be true.


That would be futile, it would be like herding cats.
 
2013-03-17 10:04:33 PM  
As a Christian, I'm mad at how horribly done this series is.  Cheesy and lame and inaccurate.  For centuries, Cristianity was responsible for the best art in the world.  Now we're responsible for some of the worst.

I was under the impression that this was going to be HBO/Showtime quality and it would focus on some actual history.
 
2013-03-17 10:04:42 PM  

Farking Canuck: douchebag/hater:

Yeah... from a religious point of view. atheists believe in some whacy shiat too.

Really? Please state one thing that all, or even the majority of atheists, claim to be true.

Difficulty: Do not build the typical religious strawman of "Atheists claim gods do not exist"


Atheists don't believe that one can prove the existence of God/gods/deity

/boom, lawyered
 
2013-03-17 10:06:09 PM  
sheesh, the anti-religious crowd gets all sandy vagina over everything.

/nope not christian,
//didn't watch it.
///don't think by beliefs are threatened by its success
 
2013-03-17 10:08:58 PM  
totalobscurity.com
 
2013-03-17 10:18:15 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: As a Christian, I'm mad at how horribly done this series is.  Cheesy and lame and inaccurate.  For centuries, Cristianity was responsible for the best art in the world.  Now we're responsible for some of the worst.

I was under the impression that this was going to be HBO/Showtime quality and it would focus on some actual history.


um
the "history" channel was doing fiction.
the bible is fiction.

the fact that some of the people, places and stories might be based on fact doesnt change that truth.
WHY would you expect anything other from zealots?

I have no problem with xians making "the bible" - the miniseries. but pretending that it would be history and factually biased?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-03-17 10:19:21 PM  
This is a sign that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights should be scrapped, women made subservient to their husbands, and only the Chosen Ones have the right to break any laws they want.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-17 10:28:30 PM  

TV's Vinnie: This is a sign that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights should be scrapped, women made subservient to their husbands, and only the Chosen Ones have the right to break any laws they want.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x305]


duh
and finally bring jebus to the holy land of america !!
 
2013-03-17 10:34:01 PM  

Spanky_McFarksalot: sheesh, the anti-religious crowd gets all sandy vagina over everything.

/nope not christian,
//didn't watch it.
///don't think by beliefs are threatened by its success


Which person specifically mentioned in TFA do you think had the sandiest vagina?
 
2013-03-17 10:37:48 PM  
Of course, the fact that it's about once in every 5-10 years that we're subjected to a new Bible movie is completely ignored here. If there were constant religious shows that consistently drew a huge audience, they might have a point. Otherwise, it's still a risky proposition.

Either way, it's just another excuse to whine and moan about Hollywood these people really need to get a life and quit manufacturing controversy, it's getting old. Hollywood doesn't make enough Jesus movies, it's Hollywood being anti-Jesus, Hollywood makes a Jesus movie, it's Hollywood being anti-Jesus. Lather, rinse, repeat...
 
2013-03-17 10:39:09 PM  

Sensei Can You See: bborchar: I would love for someone who isn't a fervent believer to film stories from the bible. It has good stories that would be even better with critical thought applied.

It's been done, .viz. Last Temptation of Christ. You don't have to get all defensive about the Bible to realize it was an AWFUL movie.


Scorsese's fallback profession was the priesthood. I'd say that puts him in the "fervent believer" category.
And aside from Keitel's terrible choice in accents, it was a really good movie, way better than Mel Gibson's Jesus Chainsaw Massacre.

It's funny that a movie that examines the burden of being a savior is reviled by some "Christians," but they'll shell out $400 million in tickets for a movie that raised no thoughts deeper than "Man, Jesus could really take a punch."
 
2013-03-17 10:47:49 PM  

namatad: I do not understand this.
WHAT is the problem with hollywood again?
Hollywood makes whatever hollywood wants to make.
If you dont like it, then found your own movie industry and make your own movies.

Bollywood makes movies for a specific audience.
Jesuswood couple make movies for the holyrollers.
It would be successful.

and then??
what was the point again?
Hollywood doesnt make what you want? MAKE YOUR OWN!!

/history channel is running fiction again?? FFS


Hollywood makes whatever makes money.  if that's Bible epics, that's what they'll make.  If it's torture porn, that's what they'll make.  If they mix the two together, they get The Passion of the Christ.  Whatever makes money.
 
2013-03-17 10:52:23 PM  

douchebag/hater: trotsky: Eh. Vikings is better, and became pretty awesome when they went and slaughtered the entire monastery last week. Made me love those sea-going scamps even more.

So. You're sooooo tolerant of different ideas that you like to see religious people killed.
Christians AND Muslims AND Hindus?
Or just Christians?

You're a religious bigpollock


Lol! Nah, I like followers of Odin. They're quite oppressed in today's world, don't ya know!
 
2013-03-17 10:54:49 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Who's confused?

Not one actual quote from anyone expressing confusion.

But we know a lot of people must be because everyone in Hollywood thinks the same way and the Washington Times has them all figured out.


This is one of the stories that gets recycled every time something in the entertainment industry that is religious and/or conservative succeeds.   This exact story was written for Kirk Cameron's movie about the plucky but abstinent firefighter and for An American Carol, they just never say the light of day.  A little Find and Replace, and it;s updated for the Bible miniseries.
 
2013-03-17 10:58:12 PM  

hardinparamedic: Bob_Laublaw: The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link

Stop promoting liberal lies as the truth, you historical revisionist you. Jesus was whiter than the pale lilies on your lawn.

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True... Jesus is actually the reason that White people ARE White. Before Jesus came strolling around, there were no White people. Once he died for our sins, then the truly sin-free people in the world were White, and all varying shades just indicate HOW sin-free your ancestors were.

Of course, this means that gingers are the least-sinning people in history. And pre-history.
 
2013-03-17 11:08:12 PM  

Sgt Otter: eraser8: Krymson Tyde: One thing that is confusing though is why do these people speak with British accents?

If I had my way, actors portraying people from the ancient near east, Greece and Rome would speak with Brooklyn accents.

I'm not joking.

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"Yondah lies da castle of my faddah."


...I will never hear "I am Spartacus" again without a good hearty Ryan-Stiles-as-Carol-Channing "I'M SPARTACUS!"
 
2013-03-17 11:19:34 PM  

FriarReb98: Krymson Tyde: Bob_Laublaw: The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link

Black Samson and black & Asian angels were nice touches.

Okay, best place to ask this as any: Who the fark played Samson? I'm sure I've seen him, think he played a thug in  The World Is Not Enough but I can't even find him there....


Al Leong
 
2013-03-17 11:23:56 PM  
Of course the Bible confuses Hollywood. A lot of the major players have spent their lives studying the works of L. Ron Hubbard and trying to move up the Bridge to become better Operating Thetans before David Miscavige randomly loses his shiat and tries to choke them out. From what I've been reading in the Lawrence Wright book, a lot of it is an insane, humorless echo chamber, where people like Paul Haggis get ostracized for making a little joke about Scientology to Stephen Spielberg. If Hollywood has a moral cancer eating at it, is its toleration of Scientology.
 
2013-03-17 11:25:50 PM  
Why, it's an interesting piece of fiction filled with murder, war and sex.  Hollywood should understand that.
 
2013-03-17 11:30:36 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Of course the Bible confuses Hollywood. A lot of the major players have spent their lives studying the works of L. Ron Hubbard and trying to move up the Bridge to become better Operating Thetans before David Miscavige randomly loses his shiat and tries to choke them out. From what I've been reading in the Lawrence Wright book, a lot of it is an insane, humorless echo chamber, where people like Paul Haggis get ostracized for making a little joke about Scientology to Stephen Spielberg. If Hollywood has a moral cancer eating at it, is its toleration of Scientology.


Sounds exactly like what happens to anyone trying to run for public office if they dare poke fun at Christianity.  Thank GOD that's only entertainment, just like Hollywood.

/seriously, all dogma sucks
 
2013-03-17 11:30:44 PM  
Totally unsurprising. It just means that Ted turner isn't running the Passover/Jesus movie sequence in that time slot.
 
2013-03-17 11:37:02 PM  
namatad:

I have no problem with xians making "the bible" - the miniseries. but pretending that it would be history and factually biased?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Ignorance.

Tonight's episode did do something interesting.  They departed from the Biblical narrative to give some context to what happened when Joseph, Mary, and Jesus were in Egypt.  They depicted the Maccabean uprising and how after the rebellion was crushed, countless people were crucified along the roadways.  As they travelled back to Jerusalem, they likely did encounter the blackened corpses of crucified zealots.
 
2013-03-17 11:38:13 PM  

gameshowhost: Sounds exactly like what happens to anyone trying to run for public office if they dare poke fun at Christianity.  Thank GOD that's only entertainment, just like Hollywood.


This was even worse, because Haggis was a Scientologist at the time, and was in good standing with the Church. Spielberg commented that all the Scientologists he had met as part of Cruise's entourage while filming War of the Worlds "seem like the nicest people", and Haggis simply joked that "we keep all the evil ones in the closet", which caused Cruise and Miscavige to lose their shiat. That's the biggest thing that stood out for me reading up on it, is that Scientology is just so incredibly humorless, and the guy in control is utterly off his nut and prone to random physical violence, intimidation, and torture.
 
2013-03-17 11:42:31 PM  
Wha????

Bible based Hollywood stuff sells pretty well in America when it's not beat you over the head with morality based stuff.
 
2013-03-17 11:43:21 PM  

redmid17: Atheists don't believe that one can prove the existence of God/gods/deity

/boom, lawyered


Good try and props for the HIMYM reference.

That said ... this statement is not correct. It may be true for many atheists but definitely not all. I, for one, believe a deity could easily show itself (and would therefor be proven to me).

In fact, as far as I'm concerned, this whole "god chooses to stay hidden" crap is just part of the snake-oil sales pitch.
 
2013-03-17 11:45:48 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Which person specifically mentioned in TFA do you think had the sandiest vagina?


who talks about the article? I was talking about the comments.
 
2013-03-17 11:47:22 PM  

Farking Canuck: redmid17: Atheists don't believe that one can prove the existence of God/gods/deity

/boom, lawyered

Good try and props for the HIMYM reference.

That said ... this statement is not correct. It may be true for many atheists but definitely not all. I, for one, believe a deity could easily show itself (and would therefor be proven to me).

In fact, as far as I'm concerned, this whole "god chooses to stay hidden" crap is just part of the snake-oil sales pitch.


*You* couldn't prove it. The deity could prove it. It's all semantics. I was just teasing you.
 
2013-03-17 11:52:14 PM  

Mentat: You mean a series based on the Bible appeals to a predominantly Christian population???


Well, predominantly claiming to be Christian, anyway.
 
2013-03-17 11:52:42 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: As a Christian, I'm mad at how horribly done this series is.  Cheesy and lame and inaccurate.  For centuries, Cristianity was responsible for the best art in the world.  Now we're responsible for some of the worst.

I was under the impression that this was going to be HBO/Showtime quality and it would focus on some actual history.


The people behind it are Mark Burnett - king of reality show garbage - and his wife Roma Downey, the chick that starred in Touched By An Angel (a show so sugary and corny, it shames HFCS). Quality wasn't touching this with a 10 foot pole.
 
2013-03-18 12:08:36 AM  

FuryOfFirestorm: The people behind it are Mark Burnett - king of reality show garbage - and his wife Roma Downey, the chick that starred in Touched By An Angel (a show so sugary and corny, it shames HFCS). Quality wasn't touching this with a 10 foot pole.


Off topic, but there was one moment back in the 90's where Angel, Dark Angel and Touched by an Angel all aired at the same time.  THE SAME TIME.  I know.
 
2013-03-18 12:24:53 AM  
Caught it. With all the hype it was getting, I was hoping some Passion of the Christ type detail and acting. Instead I got something...cheesy with bad acting and way too many actors of Northern European descent playing people from the fertile crescent. (And looking like cavemen on vacation in the Med.) And as far as the Exodus story goes, nothing has yet to beat Prince of Egypt for the retelling of Moses relationship with the Ramses. I love how it made the story about two brothers on opposite sides rather than making Ramses the automatic villain like every other Exodus retelling. It even made sense if you think about the story. Moses was able to bring about seven plagues before Pharaoh said, "Enough. Go." I've always wondered why Moses was not arrested or executed after the first plague. He was a terrorist, if you thought about it from the Egyptian perspective. Made sense if only Ramses still gave a damn about his long, lost brother.
 
2013-03-18 12:43:54 AM  

cygnusx13: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

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I had a good chuckle. I think you guys are branding a not so good performance artist as a troll. The sand and sandals line gave it away for me. Could be wrong though.

/really miss Stop Arresting Me
//and Meow Said the Dog
 
2013-03-18 12:45:41 AM  
If you want something entertaining, read all the Amazon reviews for the David Duchovny/Mimi Rogers film  The Rapture.  It's funny.  Apparently, many Christians just see a title that refers to something they believe is Biblical, and will purchase it sight unseen, without reading reviews or checking ratings.

What makes it funny is that  The Rapture  is a very R-rated movie full of sex and other scandalous things, and really isn't about the fundamentalist rapture myth as much as it is about a Christian cult and Mimi Rogers' tits.

And hooo boy, are the Christians who were "tricked by the title" into seeing this movie mad that they saw boobs and naked bodies and not one scene of atheists dying or being left to suffer after God collects all the people with enough brownie points.

So what I'm getting at, in a roundabout sort of way, is that fundamentalist Christians-- As a movie-watching group-- Are rather naive, and will go see anything that they think will reinforce their religious ideals, because they think to do so will "stick it to the heathens" or somesuch thing.

To test this theory, I plan to make a movie or book titled "Jesus Loved Everybody" and have it be about Jesus being a bisexual gigolo who whored around Jerusalem until he died of the clap during a gangbang with the apostles, Herod, and Santa Claus.
 
2013-03-18 12:51:59 AM  

ZeroCorpse: If you want something entertaining, read all the Amazon reviews for the David Duchovny/Mimi Rogers film  The Rapture.  It's funny.  Apparently, many Christians just see a title that refers to something they believe is Biblical, and will purchase it sight unseen, without reading reviews or checking ratings.

What makes it funny is that  The Rapture  is a very R-rated movie full of sex and other scandalous things, and really isn't about the fundamentalist rapture myth as much as it is about a Christian cult and Mimi Rogers' tits.

And hooo boy, are the Christians who were "tricked by the title" into seeing this movie mad that they saw boobs and naked bodies and not one scene of atheists dying or being left to suffer after God collects all the people with enough brownie points.

So what I'm getting at, in a roundabout sort of way, is that fundamentalist Christians-- As a movie-watching group-- Are rather naive, and will go see anything that they think will reinforce their religious ideals, because they think to do so will "stick it to the heathens" or somesuch thing.

To test this theory, I plan to make a movie or book titled "Jesus Loved Everybody" and have it be about Jesus being a bisexual gigolo who whored around Jerusalem until he died of the clap during a gangbang with the apostles, Herod, and Santa Claus.


Can I make a suggestion? Love your title but I think you could get to maximum trolling with a slightly different take. Make Jesus the undocumented worker gardener that bangs the whole neighborhood. The teen daughter of one family, the uptight ultra conservative tea bagging dad down the street, the army wife left home alone to simmer. Heads would asplode.
 
2013-03-18 02:09:18 AM  

ZeroCorpse: If you want something entertaining, read all the Amazon reviews for the David Duchovny/Mimi Rogers film  The Rapture.  It's funny.  Apparently, many Christians just see a title that refers to something they believe is Biblical, and will purchase it sight unseen, without reading reviews or checking ratings.

What makes it funny is that  The Rapture  is a very R-rated movie full of sex and other scandalous things, and really isn't about the fundamentalist rapture myth as much as it is about a Christian cult and Mimi Rogers' tits.

And hooo boy, are the Christians who were "tricked by the title" into seeing this movie mad that they saw boobs and naked bodies and not one scene of atheists dying or being left to suffer after God collects all the people with enough brownie points.

So what I'm getting at, in a roundabout sort of way, is that fundamentalist Christians-- As a movie-watching group-- Are rather naive, and will go see anything that they think will reinforce their religious ideals, because they think to do so will "stick it to the heathens" or somesuch thing.

To test this theory, I plan to make a movie or book titled "Jesus Loved Everybody" and have it be about Jesus being a bisexual gigolo who whored around Jerusalem until he died of the clap during a gangbang with the apostles, Herod, and Santa Claus.


If you actually pull that off, Andy Kaufman would come out of hiding and punch you in the mouth out of sheer jealousy.
 
2013-03-18 03:06:43 AM  

Bob_Laublaw: The actor portraying J-to-the-C looks remarkably...... pale compared to most Middle Eastern folks Link


I've never seen anyone that looks like that.
 
2013-03-18 08:00:26 AM  
Have they covered  Ezekiel 23:19-20 yet?
 
2013-03-18 08:26:13 AM  

sleeps in trees: My son's been watching it.  We aren't religious and every time is try and explain what Christians believe he thought I was messing with him.  I understand why, when you've not been raised with it.  You should have seen his face when Moses parted the Red Sea.   I kind of wish every religion made a movie, so as to better understand them.


"So Dad... was the whole Red Sea thing something that happened? Or was that some CGI Michael Bay bullshiat?"
 
2013-03-18 09:17:12 AM  

ZeroCorpse: If you want something entertaining, read all the Amazon reviews for the David Duchovny/Mimi Rogers film  The Rapture.  It's funny.  Apparently, many Christians just see a title that refers to something they believe is Biblical, and will purchase it sight unseen, without reading reviews or checking ratings.

What makes it funny is that  The Rapture  is a very R-rated movie full of sex and other scandalous things, and really isn't about the fundamentalist rapture myth as much as it is about a Christian cult and Mimi Rogers' tits.

And hooo boy, are the Christians who were "tricked by the title" into seeing this movie mad that they saw boobs and naked bodies and not one scene of atheists dying or being left to suffer after God collects all the people with enough brownie points.

So what I'm getting at, in a roundabout sort of way, is that fundamentalist Christians-- As a movie-watching group-- Are rather naive, and will go see anything that they think will reinforce their religious ideals, because they think to do so will "stick it to the heathens" or somesuch thing.

To test this theory, I plan to make a movie or book titled "Jesus Loved Everybody" and have it be about Jesus being a bisexual gigolo who whored around Jerusalem until he died of the clap during a gangbang with the apostles, Herod, and Santa Claus.


I like your style.
 
2013-03-18 09:46:13 AM  
I want to scream that the stuff being churned out in Hollywood is mass produced soulless crap.  Not even religious soulless.... Without heart.

But it might just be that I'm getting old and they need to turn down that rap music.
 
2013-03-18 10:04:12 AM  
 It would be interesting to see a real literal film interpretation of the Bible, rather than the sanitized white-washed versions we always get.    It would make A Serbian Film look like Mary Poppins. (ie Judges 19:22-29)
 
2013-03-18 11:09:52 AM  
You know who else liked the bible?
content.internetvideoarchive.com
 
2013-03-18 11:30:49 AM  

seniorgato: I want to scream that the stuff being churned out in Hollywood is mass produced soulless crap.  Not even religious soulless.... Without heart.

But it might just be that I'm getting old and they need to turn down that rap music.


Just stop listening to Blondie.
 
2013-03-18 12:09:42 PM  
This is the miniseries that, other than a brief few words, thinks the bible started with Noah, Jesus was white, and the Devil was black, so how seriously can you take it.
 
2013-03-18 12:10:25 PM  
i'm an athiest and i would totally watch it.  i don't have television so i can't, but i may be willing to buy it when it eventually hits dvd.  i'm interested in history and the bible is part of history, and i'm curious to see how they handle the more ridiculous religious aspects.  if it's well acted, well written, and well produced, then i see no reason not to check it out.
 
2013-03-18 12:21:38 PM  

stoli n coke: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

Look at this post everyone. Look and point and laugh.

By the way, good job back-dating this alt account, max.


I have been around for a long time, but until recently I got up at 3:00 am to go to work and usually didn't get home until 9:00 pm, then put in volunteer work if I still had any energy left. I worked long hours to support myself and my family. You can laugh if that pleases you but the majority of the people in the USA believe in the Bible either the old or new testament or at least a higher power. If you are a non believer you are in the minority, and by your statements I can also see you are in the lower end of the IQ range and quite possibly a true believer in government control. So point and laugh but insults from someone of your caliber makes me feel warm and fuzzy knowing I touched a nerve somehow.
 
2013-03-18 12:52:25 PM  

Generation_D: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it


I am not of any formal party, just a believer in God.
 
2013-03-18 12:55:56 PM  

maxalt: Generation_D: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it

I am not of any formal party, just a believer in God.


Does she talk to you?
 
2013-03-18 01:03:51 PM  
I don't believe this miniseries exists.
 
2013-03-18 01:10:37 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: Generation_D: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it

I am not of any formal party, just a believer in God.

Does she talk to you?


Why do you think insults are intelligent conversation, not even funny or well thought out insults. If you really desire to insult someone it requires that you make a point showing the other person lack of thought or intelligence, (by the way intelligence means smarts). If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that God is male as he spoke to several people ie Noah with a deep booming voice and the angels referred to God as he, try again Mr. Smarts.
 
2013-03-18 01:22:32 PM  

maxalt: If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that God is male


So God has a penis? ...and what did He do with it in the absence of a Mrs. God?
 
2013-03-18 01:28:52 PM  

Mad_Radhu: gameshowhost: Sounds exactly like what happens to anyone trying to run for public office if they dare poke fun at Christianity.  Thank GOD that's only entertainment, just like Hollywood.

This was even worse, because Haggis was a Scientologist at the time, and was in good standing with the Church. Spielberg commented that all the Scientologists he had met as part of Cruise's entourage while filming War of the Worlds "seem like the nicest people", and Haggis simply joked that "we keep all the evil ones in the closet", which caused Cruise and Miscavige to lose their shiat. That's the biggest thing that stood out for me reading up on it, is that Scientology is just so incredibly humorless, and the guy in control is utterly off his nut and prone to random physical violence, intimidation, and torture.


Sounds like every other religio-cult to me.
 
2013-03-18 02:08:27 PM  

Ishkur: maxalt: If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that God is male

So God has a penis? ...and what did He do with it in the absence of a Mrs. God?


If you are Christian then you know he he is a male because he got Mary pregnant. As to any other times he has used it I really have never given that a thought. When I am in heaven I will understand more than I do now and although I have no fear of death I am enjoying my time here in the physical plain so I am in no hurry to leave. Everyones' time here is limited but you time in heaven is ever lasting.
 
2013-03-18 02:11:42 PM  

jake_lex: The only time I'd reach for the Washington Times is if I just dropped a massive, Taco Bell fueled dump and I looked over and saw that the toilet paper roll was empty.


Well I'm sitting on the toilet.  In a house that I don't know.  Looking all around me for where the toilet paper goes.  Feeling real uneasy, feeling real uncertain.  Looks like I'll have to wipe my ass again with a plastic shower curtain!  It's those little things.  Those itty bitty things, that piss me off!
 
2013-03-18 02:18:52 PM  

Generation_D: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it


Relax Max.  I've had Generation_Derp tagged as, "Libtard/Anti Southern/Pathetic Atheist," for awhile now.

BTW, not all atheists get that tag from me.  Only the ragey, whiney, threadshiatting ones.

/nailed it.
 
2013-03-18 02:34:31 PM  

varmitydog: Old time movie producer Cecil B DeMille made his fortune with Bible epics. He used to say "Give me any two pages of the Bible and I'll give you a picture."
He is also quoted as saying "Every time I make a picture the critics' estimate of American public taste goes down ten percent." and "I make my pictures for people, not for critics."

He had the guy who wrote TFA pegged before he was even born.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again;there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes, 1:9


All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.  BSG-75
 
2013-03-18 02:36:14 PM  

IntertubeUser: douchebag/hater: trotsky: Eh. Vikings is better, and became pretty awesome when they went and slaughtered the entire monastery last week. Made me love those sea-going scamps even more.

So. You're sooooo tolerant of different ideas that you like to see religious people killed.
Christians AND Muslims AND Hindus?
Or just Christians?

You're a religious bigot.

Killing is a little much.  But I'd totally go for not letting delusional, superstitious religio-fascists vote.

And in the US, especially the christo-fascists...the Rape-lubicans.


So your utopia would be the Atheist episode of South Park?

/Science damn you!
 
2013-03-18 02:38:01 PM  

FTDA: varmitydog: Old time movie producer Cecil B DeMille made his fortune with Bible epics. He used to say "Give me any two pages of the Bible and I'll give you a picture."
He is also quoted as saying "Every time I make a picture the critics' estimate of American public taste goes down ten percent." and "I make my pictures for people, not for critics."

He had the guy who wrote TFA pegged before he was even born.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again;there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes, 1:9

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.  BSG-75


Ka is a wheel, it's one purpose is to turn. -Roland of Gilead, DTIV
 
2013-03-18 02:38:35 PM  

Sensual Tyrannosaurus: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

'God fearing folk' like the ones in flyover America that bought up the majority of tickets to 'Magic Mike'? That's some wholesome entertainment alright. Fun for the whole family.


fark you that movie got me laid for a month - helps I have a wife and a big bag of roofies......
 
2013-03-18 02:46:31 PM  

Brainsick: FTDA: varmitydog: Old time movie producer Cecil B DeMille made his fortune with Bible epics. He used to say "Give me any two pages of the Bible and I'll give you a picture."
He is also quoted as saying "Every time I make a picture the critics' estimate of American public taste goes down ten percent." and "I make my pictures for people, not for critics."

He had the guy who wrote TFA pegged before he was even born.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again;there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes, 1:9

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.  BSG-75

Ka is a wheel, it's one purpose is to turn. -Roland of Gilead, DTIV


"This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for fighting, and this is for fun."  - U.S. Marines
 
2013-03-18 02:51:38 PM  

sleeps in trees: douchebag/hater: Farking Canuck: sleeps in trees: My son's been watching it.  We aren't religious and every time is try and explain what Christians believe he thought I was messing with him.  I understand why, when you've not been raised with it.  You should have seen his face when Moses parted the Red Sea.   I kind of wish every religion made a movie, so as to better understand them.

Yeah ... from an outside point of view, religious people believe in some whacky shiat.

Yeah... from a religious point of view. atheists believe in some whacy shiat too.

I'm not atheist, but I don't subscribe to a specific religion. I don't know how that is "whacy".


It isn't.  My first wife was a Pagan.  My new wife is Agnostic.  I'm a Christian.  I've never had an issue with their beliefs not being the same as mine or berated them for it.  Everyone has free will and the right to make their own choices so forcing someone to believe in a narrow dogmatic point of view regardless of the book it comes from is whacky to me.  The preacher at my church encourages out of the box thinking and loves to ruffle Traditionalist Types feathers.  You keep doing what feels right to you.  It's your life, spend your years being happy.
 
2013-03-18 02:54:13 PM  

Sensei Can You See: Brainsick: FTDA: varmitydog: Old time movie producer Cecil B DeMille made his fortune with Bible epics. He used to say "Give me any two pages of the Bible and I'll give you a picture."
He is also quoted as saying "Every time I make a picture the critics' estimate of American public taste goes down ten percent." and "I make my pictures for people, not for critics."

He had the guy who wrote TFA pegged before he was even born.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again;there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes, 1:9

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.  BSG-75

Ka is a wheel, it's one purpose is to turn. -Roland of Gilead, DTIV

"This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for fighting, and this is for fun."  - U.S. Marines


Time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping into the future.  - Some 1970's band whose name escapes me.
 
2013-03-18 02:56:56 PM  

Sgt Otter: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x326]

The most popular movie of all time is an anti-corporate, anti-war, pro-environmental hippie love fest.


Fern Gully?
 
2013-03-18 02:57:06 PM  

FTDA: Sensei Can You See: Brainsick: FTDA: varmitydog: Old time movie producer Cecil B DeMille made his fortune with Bible epics. He used to say "Give me any two pages of the Bible and I'll give you a picture."
He is also quoted as saying "Every time I make a picture the critics' estimate of American public taste goes down ten percent." and "I make my pictures for people, not for critics."

He had the guy who wrote TFA pegged before he was even born.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again;there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes, 1:9

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.  BSG-75

Ka is a wheel, it's one purpose is to turn. -Roland of Gilead, DTIV

"This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for fighting, and this is for fun."  - U.S. Marines

Time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping into the future.  - Some 1970's band whose name escapes me.


Steve Miller.
 
2013-03-18 02:59:08 PM  

usernameguy: Did... Did they give Satan a French accent?


That would be hilarious!  "I'm bad, look at me, I give a cigarette to a baby!"
 
2013-03-18 03:02:49 PM  

FTDA: usernameguy: Did... Did they give Satan a French accent?

That would be hilarious!  "I'm bad, look at me, I give a cigarette to a baby!"


I'm trying to picture the Garden of Eden with Satan played by Pepe Le Pew:

Oh, Eve -- *smooch* mwuah mwuah mwuah -- do not worry about ze apple, mon ami - we shall make beautiful musicks togezzer right here!
 
2013-03-18 03:06:40 PM  

Sensei Can You See: FTDA: usernameguy: Did... Did they give Satan a French accent?

That would be hilarious!  "I'm bad, look at me, I give a cigarette to a baby!"

I'm trying to picture the Garden of Eden with Satan played by Pepe Le Pew:

Oh, Eve -- *smooch* mwuah mwuah mwuah -- do not worry about ze apple, mon ami - we shall make beautiful musicks togezzer right here!


And Eve hauls ass, kicking up clothes pins from who knows where.
 
2013-03-18 03:08:25 PM  

Sensei Can You See: FTDA: Sensei Can You See: Brainsick: FTDA: varmitydog: Old time movie producer Cecil B DeMille made his fortune with Bible epics. He used to say "Give me any two pages of the Bible and I'll give you a picture."
He is also quoted as saying "Every time I make a picture the critics' estimate of American public taste goes down ten percent." and "I make my pictures for people, not for critics."

He had the guy who wrote TFA pegged before he was even born.
What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again;there is nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes, 1:9

All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.  BSG-75

Ka is a wheel, it's one purpose is to turn. -Roland of Gilead, DTIV

"This is my rifle. This is my gun. This is for fighting, and this is for fun."  - U.S. Marines

Time keeps on slipping, slipping, slipping into the future.  - Some 1970's band whose name escapes me.

Steve Miller.


Thanks!
 
2013-03-18 04:10:34 PM  

maxalt: If you are Christian then you know he he is a male because he got Mary pregnant. As to any other times he has used it I really have never given that a thought.


Okay, so if man was created in God's image, then from whose image was woman made? Who provided the template for the human uterus?

maxalt: When I am in heaven I will understand more than I do now and although I have no fear of death I am enjoying my time here in the physical plain so I am in no hurry to leave. Everyones' time here is limited but you time in heaven is ever lasting.


Are all your family and friends going to be in Heaven too? I guess they have to be because you might be unhappy if you find out that your mother didn't make it and since there is no unhappiness in Heaven, it can't be paradise if you miss some people and get depressed, so therefore everyone has to go on account of being related to everyone else.

And can you really be in a state of bliss all the time? Humans have a tendency to acclimatize to their mental and emotional states and there is a law of diminishing returns that accompanies subsequence experience. The first time you ride a rollercoaster is exciting and fun. The hundredth time, not so much. It becomes difficult to maintain the same level of exhilaration so the experience must get more extreme each time, like upping the dosage on a drug. Can Heaven really have the same impact the first day you arrive as it does the thousandth day? The millionth day? The trillionth day (and that's 2,739,726,027 or 2.7 billion years if you don't feel like doing the math, which is still insignificant compared to eternity)?

And why are the qualifications for admittance to Heaven or Hell so black and white? So it doesn't matter whether you sinned by having sex outside of marriage or by disemboweling a dozen people and hanging their bodies from meat hooks in your basement, they're both equitable sins that ban you from the promised afterlife. So you have to be absolutely perfect all your life because there is no nuance, degree or threshold to your sins. All sin has the same price even though some sins are worse than others. How do you really know whether you cut the mustard?

Heaven just confuses me. For instance, I guess we can assume that your entire mind, sans brain and body, goes to Heaven. But what if your mind has neurological deficiencies? Do they stay with you or are you cured of all mental afflictions posthumously? What if those afflictions define who you are, so in Heaven you're a completely different person? What if you're known all your life as that crazy quirky guy but when you go to Heaven that mania has been removed and your family and friends don't recognize you? What if they don't like the new disinfected you and they prefer the crazy quirky guy they enjoyed hanging around with in life? Can you petition God to put that neurosis back?

Maybe God doesn't cure everything in your mind when you go to Heaven. Maybe He just gets rid of the serious stuff. So He'll take care of your multiple personality disorder and schizophrenia but mild things like obsessive-compulsive disorder and attention deficit disorder are given a pass (or maybe their cures are on a by-request basis).

And what about phobias? Are those gone too? I'm sure there won't be any spiders or heights or darkness or enclosed spaces in Heaven, but just in case there are - like say Saint Peter has a small, dark closet on top of a skyscraper with a tarantula inside - you would not feel the slightest bit scared to be locked inside it. Hypothetically speaking.

What part of the mind even qualifies people for Heaven? Is it the part that believes in Jesus? What about people with split-brains? People can have the hemispheres of their brains severed to solve seizure disorders but the end result is literally a dual personality. What if one half becomes a devout believer and the other half becomes a militant atheist? Does half of that person go to Heaven? Which half gets the soul? Is the soul even divisible?

What about temporal lobe epilepsy patients or people suffering from psychosis, in which they experience profound theological connections and believe themselves to be agents of God? This is not technically their fault, it is due to their disorder. So does it mean they're going to Hell or will God let the incurable brain disease slide and let them in? Why doesn't He cure these people like He cures cancer and amputees?

What about people with autism or mental retardation who are simply incapable of understanding, experiencing or acknowledging God on a pertinent theological level? It's not their fault either. Are they going to spend eternity in purgatory because their brain can't comprehend divinity?

What about people with Asperger syndrome who function well enough in society but can't fathom other people and have trouble interacting socially? They may even inadvertently cause harm to others without knowing it, breaking God's commandments. Do they go to Hell because their brains are not allowing them to process the social cues that would allow them to relate to others more? Why is that their fault? Why punish them for something they aren't capable of comprehending? This is the fruit incident all over again.

And what about sociopaths, who are . . . well, of course they're not going to Heaven. Those people are assholes. We can all speculate until the day we die on what Heaven is really going to be like, but I think we can all safely agree that it doesn't contain any assholes.

Please don't ignore these questions. I really really really want to know.
 
2013-03-18 04:34:12 PM  

maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: Generation_D: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it

I am not of any formal party, just a believer in God.

Does she talk to you?

Why do you think insults are intelligent conversation, not even funny or well thought out insults. If you really desire to insult someone it requires that you make a point showing the other person lack of thought or intelligence, (by the way intelligence means smarts). If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that God is male as he spoke to several people ie Noah with a deep booming voice and the angels referred to God as he, try again Mr. Smarts.


Hah! The bible says that we are made in his image. So, does Pat talk to you?
 
2013-03-18 04:36:43 PM  
www.nowtheendbegins.com

lulz
 
2013-03-18 05:10:46 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: Generation_D: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it

I am not of any formal party, just a believer in God.

Does she talk to you?

Why do you think insults are intelligent conversation, not even funny or well thought out insults. If you really desire to insult someone it requires that you make a point showing the other person lack of thought or intelligence, (by the way intelligence means smarts). If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that God is male as he spoke to several people ie Noah with a deep booming voice and the angels referred to God as he, try again Mr. Smarts.

Hah! The bible says that we are made in his image. So, does Pat talk to you?


No I have never heard God talk to me, I have never seen a thought but does that mean thoughts don't exist. As a matter of fact if God ever did talk to me I would probably load up my pants. By the way in the Bible God said his name was Yahweh, not Pat.
 
2013-03-18 05:20:02 PM  

maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: Generation_D: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it

I am not of any formal party, just a believer in God.

Does she talk to you?

Why do you think insults are intelligent conversation, not even funny or well thought out insults. If you really desire to insult someone it requires that you make a point showing the other person lack of thought or intelligence, (by the way intelligence means smarts). If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that God is male as he spoke to several people ie Noah with a deep booming voice and the angels referred to God as he, try again Mr. Smarts.

Hah! The bible says that we are made in his image. So, does Pat talk to you?

No I have never heard God talk to me, I have never seen a thought but does that mean thoughts don't exist. As a matter of fact if God ever did talk to me I would probably load up my pants. By the way in the Bible God said his name was Yahweh, not Pat.


Hebrew doesn't have vowels.
 
2013-03-18 06:19:14 PM  
Wow you really are an interesting person. I am reminded of the natives in the South Pacific who asked a priest if their relatives went to heaven because they had never heard of God. They wondered if not knowing would condemn them to hell. The priest  replied that they were judged as a new born therefore without sin and yes they were in Heaven, at that the natives asked if that were the case why did you ever tell me about God.
Will all of my family and friends go to heaven, probably not but I am not the judge so what little I know says probably not. I once asked a fellow believer if Adolf Hitler could have gone to heaven if he repented and excepted Christ as his savior. He told me if he repented between the time he pulled the trigger and chomped down on the poison yes. I guess that would be the fastest anyone would have ever accepted Jesus. I think you need to view things in the way you might choose to do them, I cannot imagine a loving God bringing mentally challenged or tormented souls to endure everlasting torment. So much of the way God works is hard for me to understand, but it is not hard for me to believe, it is called faith. So lets for the sake of discussion place all of the people you have named in to one big pile. How can a truly loving God allow someone to be born deformed, or as my sister-in-law with the brain of an 8 month old even though she is in her 50's. My mother-in-law had German Measles during her pregnancy, so she was born severely retarded, why would a loving God allow that? I really don't know, but he has, why??? But there are things that are written so long ago that are now being found to be truth. God said in the beginning there was nothing and the universe was void until God said "Let there be light", now we know that there was a big bang that started the universe. Jesus did miracles on Earth and was witnessed by many people, I know I can't do miracles, nor can ANYONE. I think that sometime, many times actually, bible beaters profess to do miracles to enrich themselves and for selfish power. I rarely attend a organized church because I have my own relationship with the Lord. I realize I am not as good at explaining as you are at questioning but in the end it all comes down to faith. Oh and if your quirky friend is here with us he will be just as quirky in heaven, for I believe God does have a sense of humor. Remember he gave his only son to relive us of our sins. I was told by a preacher one time if I thought his sermons were too long what would I do if I got to heaven and had to spend eternity singing the praises of God. I told him if I had to listen to him for eternity then I would know I am in hell. Do you look forward to death are you bored with life in the here and now? Would you like your life to be much longer especially if you were always young? I know I love life here on this planet and would love to live to be 200 years old if I could still be active and pain free. In God house you will live for eternity enjoying what you love, personally I love to fix things so maybe there will be lots of broken clocks for me to mend. If I make little sense just remember this, God loves you and God wants you to be in Heaven enjoying the splendor of his creation and when you arrive there all will be reveled.
 
2013-03-18 06:21:53 PM  

maxalt: If I make little sense just remember this, God loves you and God wants you to be in Heaven enjoying the splendor of his creation and when you arrive there all will be reveled.

Reveling sounds cool.
 
2013-03-18 06:22:05 PM  

Ishkur: maxalt: If you are Christian then you know he he is a male because he got Mary pregnant. As to any other times he has used it I really have never given that a thought.

Okay, so if man was created in God's image, then from whose image was woman made? Who provided the template for the human uterus?

maxalt: When I am in heaven I will understand more than I do now and although I have no fear of death I am enjoying my time here in the physical plain so I am in no hurry to leave. Everyones' time here is limited but you time in heaven is ever lasting.

Are all your family and friends going to be in Heaven too? I guess they have to be because you might be unhappy if you find out that your mother didn't make it and since there is no unhappiness in Heaven, it can't be paradise if you miss some people and get depressed, so therefore everyone has to go on account of being related to everyone else.

And can you really be in a state of bliss all the time? Humans have a tendency to acclimatize to their mental and emotional states and there is a law of diminishing returns that accompanies subsequence experience. The first time you ride a rollercoaster is exciting and fun. The hundredth time, not so much. It becomes difficult to maintain the same level of exhilaration so the experience must get more extreme each time, like upping the dosage on a drug. Can Heaven really have the same impact the first day you arrive as it does the thousandth day? The millionth day? The trillionth day (and that's 2,739,726,027 or 2.7 billion years if you don't feel like doing the math, which is still insignificant compared to eternity)?

And why are the qualifications for admittance to Heaven or Hell so black and white? So it doesn't matter whether you sinned by having sex outside of marriage or by disemboweling a dozen people and hanging their bodies from meat hooks in your basement, they're both equitable sins that ban you from the promised afterlife. So you have to be absolutely perfect all your l ...


I replied but I didn't do it correctly I did not put it in the same message as you sent me it should be visible.
 
2013-03-18 06:32:44 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: Generation_D: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it

I am not of any formal party, just a believer in God.

Does she talk to you?

Why do you think insults are intelligent conversation, not even funny or well thought out insults. If you really desire to insult someone it requires that you make a point showing the other person lack of thought or intelligence, (by the way intelligence means smarts). If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that God is male as he spoke to several people ie Noah with a deep booming voice and the angels referred to God as he, try again Mr. Smarts.

Hah! The bible says that we are made in his image. So, does Pat talk to you?

No I have never heard God talk to me, I have never seen a thought but does that mean thoughts don't exist. As a matter of fact if God ever did talk to me I would probably load up my pants. By the way in the Bible God said his name was Yahweh, not Pat.

Hebrew doesn't have vowels.


I don't know the Hebrew alphabet I don't speak Hebrew it's the translation that causes these kinds of changes. Chinese has 40,000 symbols but somehow we manage to translate with only 26 symbols into English. I think the translation is more phonetic than letter for letter. And thanks I did not know Hebrew has no vowels. I love learning and to-day I learned something I did not know.
 
2013-03-18 06:49:41 PM  

maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: Generation_D: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it

I am not of any formal party, just a believer in God.

Does she talk to you?

Why do you think insults are intelligent conversation, not even funny or well thought out insults. If you really desire to insult someone it requires that you make a point showing the other person lack of thought or intelligence, (by the way intelligence means smarts). If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that God is male as he spoke to several people ie Noah with a deep booming voice and the angels referred to God as he, try again Mr. Smarts.

Hah! The bible says that we are made in his image. So, does Pat talk to you?

No I have never heard God talk to me, I have never seen a thought but does that mean thoughts don't exist. As a matter of fact if God ever did talk to me I would probably load up my pants. By the way in the Bible God said his name was Yahweh, not Pat.

Hebrew doesn't have vowels.

I don't know the Hebrew alphabet I don't speak Hebrew it's the translation that causes these kinds of changes. Chinese has 40,000 symbols but somehow we manage to translate with only 26 symbols into English. I think the translation is more phonetic than letter for letter. And thanks I did not know Hebrew has no vowels. I love learning and to-day I learned something I did not know.



You're welcome.

Language limits our thinking.
 
2013-03-18 07:30:07 PM  

maxalt: Will all of my family and friends go to heaven, probably not but I am not the judge so what little I know says probably not.


If not all of your family and friends go to Heaven, then it's not really Heaven, is it?
 
2013-03-18 07:39:06 PM  

maxalt: I replied but I didn't do it correctly I did not put it in the same message as you sent me it should be visible.


You certainly didn't. You avoided every one of my questions and then rambled in a big block of unreadable text with no discernible point.

Can you just focus for one second and address the direct paradox inherent through Heaven's mere existence?

For instance:

maxalt: How can a truly loving God allow someone to be born deformed, or as my sister-in-law with the brain of an 8 month old even though she is in her 50's. My mother-in-law had German Measles during her pregnancy, so she was born severely retarded, why would a loving God allow that? I really don't know, but he has, why???


That's not the question. The question is: Are these people going to be just as farked up in Heaven as they were in life? Are there mentally retarded people in Heaven or not? If yes, then how is that Heaven? If no, then they aren't really them (Heaven has effectively lobotomized them), so that still isn't Heaven.
 
2013-03-18 07:39:07 PM  

Ishkur: maxalt: Will all of my family and friends go to heaven, probably not but I am not the judge so what little I know says probably not.

If not all of your family and friends go to Heaven, then it's not really Heaven, is it?


For me it is, for them not so much.
 
2013-03-18 07:41:54 PM  

maxalt: For me it is, for them not so much.


No it's not, because you'll miss them, you'll be depressed, and then you'll shatter Heaven's mandate of pure, eternal bliss.

How can you enjoy Heaven if the people you love aren't there to enjoy it with you?
 
2013-03-18 08:03:49 PM  

shiat I almost missed this gem.

maxalt: Will all of my family and friends go to heaven, probably not





Why wouldn't you stop everything and fix the situation if you really believed that?
 
2013-03-18 08:06:16 PM  

Ishkur: maxalt: Will all of my family and friends go to heaven, probably not but I am not the judge so what little I know says probably not.

If not all of your family and friends go to Heaven, then it's not really Heaven, is it?




I like asking people to describe Heaven.
 
2013-03-18 08:32:19 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: StoPPeRmobile: maxalt: Generation_D: maxalt: Almost every movie with low moral standards fails at the box office but is praised by Hollywood elite, while so called wholesome movies succeed. But the movers and shakers in Hollywood consider any movie denouncing God or religion to be avant-garde  and praise the writers producers and such. Used to be when the Jews owed Hollywood they liked sand and sandals movies because they were sure money in the bank. I know times change but people don't, most of the middle of the country and the south are god fearing folk and prefer wholesome entertainment.

I got you tagged as "right wing derp."

nailed it

I am not of any formal party, just a believer in God.

Does she talk to you?

Why do you think insults are intelligent conversation, not even funny or well thought out insults. If you really desire to insult someone it requires that you make a point showing the other person lack of thought or intelligence, (by the way intelligence means smarts). If you had any knowledge of the Bible you would know that God is male as he spoke to several people ie Noah with a deep booming voice and the angels referred to God as he, try again Mr. Smarts.

Hah! The bible says that we are made in his image. So, does Pat talk to you?

No I have never heard God talk to me, I have never seen a thought but does that mean thoughts don't exist. As a matter of fact if God ever did talk to me I would probably load up my pants. By the way in the Bible God said his name was Yahweh, not Pat.

Hebrew doesn't have vowels.


Yeah, the Jewish god is YHVH, pronounced Yahuwahu.
 
2013-03-18 09:56:51 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: [www.nowtheendbegins.com image 600x360]

lulz


I think he looks more like the "You gonna get raped" guy sans facial hair.
 
2013-03-19 03:04:41 PM  

Ishkur: maxalt: For me it is, for them not so much.

No it's not, because you'll miss them, you'll be depressed, and then you'll shatter Heaven's mandate of pure, eternal bliss.

How can you enjoy Heaven if the people you love aren't there to enjoy it with you?


You are making assumptions that you can't know until you are there.
 
2013-03-19 03:06:23 PM  

Ishkur: maxalt: I replied but I didn't do it correctly I did not put it in the same message as you sent me it should be visible.

You certainly didn't. You avoided every one of my questions and then rambled in a big block of unreadable text with no discernible point.

Can you just focus for one second and address the direct paradox inherent through Heaven's mere existence?

For instance:

maxalt: How can a truly loving God allow someone to be born deformed, or as my sister-in-law with the brain of an 8 month old even though she is in her 50's. My mother-in-law had German Measles during her pregnancy, so she was born severely retarded, why would a loving God allow that? I really don't know, but he has, why???

That's not the question. The question is: Are these people going to be just as farked up in Heaven as they were in life? Are there mentally retarded people in Heaven or not? If yes, then how is that Heaven? If no, then they aren't really them (Heaven has effectively lobotomized them), so that still isn't Heaven.


No as I read the Bible in Heaven we are all in God's image and I am sure he didn't make himself messed up.
 
2013-03-19 03:26:38 PM  

Ishkur: maxalt: For me it is, for them not so much.

No it's not, because you'll miss them, you'll be depressed, and then you'll shatter Heaven's mandate of pure, eternal bliss.

How can you enjoy Heaven if the people you love aren't there to enjoy it with you?


Look it is quite obvious that you don't care about how I answer your plan is to place conundrums in order to try to make me look stupid or confused. In the Bible it states all will be revealed when we reach Gods side. Now what I never got into is the battle for your soul that is taking place in the here and now. If you believe the Bible, Satan is constantly trying to get your soul for hell where he resides. The reason being is his battle with God for mans souls. Satan was the most beautiful angel in heaven until he tried to usurp Gods power, at which time he was cast out of heaven and forced to live eternity here on earth or in the domain he created referred to as hell. If you are a  follower of Satan then you will spend eternity with Satan in his realm.  I really don't mind you trying to make me into some 
bo-peep, in fact I would be disappointing if you didn't.  I want you to know we all were non believers at one time. It seems easier to not set any rules and to live for today than it is to abide by rules and donate to your fellow man wishing nothing in return. One day I hope you find you way and see the value in belief.
 
2013-03-19 04:06:46 PM  

maxalt: You are making assumptions that you can't know until you are there.


Look: You can either enjoy Heaven without your friends/family or with them. If without, that means you're a sociopath. If with, then it can't be Heaven.
 
2013-03-19 04:07:55 PM  

maxalt: No as I read the Bible in Heaven we are all in God's image and I am sure he didn't make himself messed up.


Women aren't since God is a male.
 
2013-03-19 04:19:57 PM  

Ishkur: maxalt: No as I read the Bible in Heaven we are all in God's image and I am sure he didn't make himself messed up.

Women aren't since God is a male.


Remember Eve was made from Adam and she was beautiful.
 
2013-03-19 04:20:22 PM  

maxalt: Look it is quite obvious that you don't care about how I answer


If I didn't care, I wouldn't have spent so much time typing that up in the first place. These are very real points of order that I have and I want rational explanations for what appears to be a breadth of paradoxes. I'm hoping you can answer them.

maxalt: your plan is to place conundrums in order to try to make me look stupid or confused.


They are conundrums, but its not my intention to confuse you. What part is confusing and would you like me to clarify.

maxalt: In the Bible it states all will be revealed when we reach Gods side.


Except for the people who are never going to get there. So what's the point of only revealing all to the people who apparently knew all along? That doesn't make any sense.

maxalt: Now what I never got into is the battle for your soul that is taking place in the here and now. If you believe the Bible, Satan is constantly trying to get your soul for hell where he resides. The reason being is his battle with God for mans souls. Satan was the most beautiful angel in heaven until he tried to usurp Gods power, at which time he was cast out of heaven and forced to live eternity here on earth or in the domain he created referred to as hell. If you are a follower of Satan then you will spend eternity with Satan in his realm. I really don't mind you trying to make me into some bo-peep, in fact I would be disappointing if you didn't.


I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. The big question I have with this "battle for your soul" thing is who the hell knows which is the righteous path or not. For all we know Satan could have written the Bible (and if you've ever read it, there's a lot of evidence there that he probably did). He quotes scripture all the time... seriously, if faith is nothing more than accepting something as true irrespective of any evidence, then by what metric can you ascertain that either God or Satan is behind anything? ....they're both playing games and trying to trick us. Free will cannot exist in a Universe with an omniscient entity who can intervene at any time for any reason and leave no trace.

maxalt: I want you to know we all were non believers at one time. It seems easier to not set any rules and to live for today than it is to abide by rules and donate to your fellow man wishing nothing in return. One day I hope you find you way and see the value in belief.


Can I ask you an honest question? ....How does one "believe"? I'm not sure I even know how to do that. Does it require a lot of practice or should I just shut up and stop asking questions?

Please reply honestly. I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm sincerely fascinated in this conversation and I want you to help me out.
 
2013-03-19 04:23:06 PM  

maxalt: Remember Eve was made from Adam and she was beautiful.


Yes, but who supplied the template for the human uterus since neither God nor Adam had one? ....Also, menstruation. Who came up with that and why?
 
2013-03-19 04:26:09 PM  

Ishkur: should I just shut up and stop asking questions?


wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net
 
2013-03-19 06:52:51 PM  

namatad: STRYPERSWINE: As a Christian, I'm mad at how horribly done this series is.  Cheesy and lame and inaccurate.  For centuries, Cristianity was responsible for the best art in the world.  Now we're responsible for some of the worst.

I was under the impression that this was going to be HBO/Showtime quality and it would focus on some actual history.

um
the "history" channel was doing fiction.
the bible is fiction.

the fact that some of the people, places and stories might be based on fact doesnt change that truth.
WHY would you expect anything other from zealots?

I have no problem with xians making "the bible" - the miniseries. but pretending that it would be history and factually biased?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA




One of my favorites. So many things.

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Washington D.C. exists: Fact
The White House exists: Fact
OMG, Alien space ships must exist.
 
2013-03-19 08:10:19 PM  

Ishkur: Can I ask you an honest question? ....How does one "believe"? I'm not sure I even know how to do that. Does it require a lot of practice or should I just shut up and stop asking questions?


I'm not sure I want to wade into this because faith is different for everybody and I don't think that there's one single, solid definition, but I'll take a shot.

I assume you're referring to "faith" as opposed to "believe," because "believe" just means to accept something as true without direct observation.  I don't know that there are planets orbiting other stars because neither I nor anyone else can see them with our eyes.  I do, however, believe that there are planets orbiting other stars because I see the evidence of their existence (or at least I see the reports of the evidence of their existence).

Faith is similar to belief, except that it deals in the unobservable.  To me, faith is an acknowledgement that not everything is knowable.  At its most basic, faith is trust based on hope.  I hope that there is more to life than this; that we are here for a purpose and that there is an afterlife.  But I have no way to prove those things are true and require faith to believe that they are true.

Maybe that's not a good explanation.  I don't know.  Like I said, faith is highly subjective thing that I don't think many can explain it fully.
 
2013-03-19 08:44:11 PM  

rugman11: I assume you're referring to "faith" as opposed to "believe," because "believe" just means to accept something as true without direct observation.


No, for two reasons:

1) Direct observation is a very small segment of factual evidence. The vast majority of "stuff" that is the embodiment of human knowledge readily acceptable as "true" is not directly observed but rather arrived through a process of deductive reasoning and analysis of evidence. The police detective does not need to see the murder in order to ascertain who did it.

2) One can still directly observe something that doesn't exist anyway, such as when afflicted by a mental disorder or under the influence of emotional stress, pain, or drugs.

So direct observation in no way defines anything, either belief or fact. The only thing it affirms is that you have observed something.

I would define belief as accepting something as true irrespective of any factual evidence or objective confirmation (ie: a standard that exists outside of your own reasoning). In that sense -- I do not know how to do that.

rugman11: Faith is similar to belief, except that it deals in the unobservable. To me, faith is an acknowledgement that not everything is knowable.


No it's not. In fact, quite the exact opposite: Faith is the idea that the unknowable can be known, is known, and has been known for thousands of years, to be dealt out in generous quantities by succeeding hierarchies of superceding religions. Faith has no problems filling in knowledge gaps with speculative guesswork. Faith never proclaims that not everything is knowable.

Only science has no problem saying "I don't know." That's why it wants to figure out how it all works.

rugman11:
At its most basic, faith is trust based on hope. I hope that there is more to life than this; that we are here for a purpose and that there is an afterlife. But I have no way to prove those things are true and require faith to believe that they are true.
Maybe that's not a good explanation. I don't know. Like I said, faith is highly subjective thing that I don't think many can explain it fully.


And that, right there, I think is the problem. People deal with the Universe the way they want it to be rather than the way it actually is. I find such a mode of thought to be highly supercilious to be honest.
 
2013-03-20 04:53:17 PM  

Ishkur: maxalt: Remember Eve was made from Adam and she was beautiful.

Yes, but who supplied the template for the human uterus since neither God nor Adam had one? ....Also, menstruation. Who came up with that and why?


Well Eve was not Adams 1st wife, if you read the Hebrew scriptures, but that is something else. Remember God made the Universe so any thing he wants is possible, if he wanted to leave Adam lonely that was his decision. Listen I am an engineer and it is in my nature to try to figure things out. Me and a couple of geysers invented stuff that made the company and us worth a lot more money and also helped clean the atmosphere for everyone. I am naturally inquisitive when it comes to everything. Two things started me down the path I am on now, 1) I had a life changing experience sort of like the main person in "All Quiet on the Western Front", I was expected to die and I recovered. I won't be able to explain what happened as it really is not within my realm of words. 2) When my mother was dying a calm came over her and she said "Oh Mama you are so beautiful" and smiled then was gone. Now as to our appearance, I think we see what we want to see in Heaven. I can not believe that God created the whole Universe so just Earth would be inhabited. I am quite sure that God has created life on many many planets. As far as the dinosaurs are concerned I think God had to let the Earth cook for awhile to make it ready for humans. One last thing, going to God is an individual experience, as far as I have found no one can take you there only you can reach that conclusion.  Many people go to an organized church, I am not one of those. My relationship with God is very personal and private. When I pray for help, it is always for some one else as I believe I am blessed more than I ever thought i would be with peace and happiness. Mostly God is faith, there are many stories of people dying and finding themselves in Heaven or Hell only to be sent back to finish their time here on Earth. I know this is a long winded answer to a short question.
menstruation. Who came up with that and why  That was so Eve and Adam would populate the world, it sort of replicates the chain of life once a month. Remember the Earth is a battle between God and Satan, the out come has been know since the beginning Satan tried to change the inevitable.  If you are really interested read, the only way to begin to learn any thing is to find what other people have learned in the past and consume their knowledge. Let their experience show you their thoughts and experiences, if you know a better way to learn then use that. I could teach you about almost anything but you have to come to God alone, the commitment is one only you can make.
 
2013-03-20 06:01:46 PM  

maxalt: Well Eve was not Adams 1st wife, if you read the Hebrew scriptures,


I have. So why was Lilith not in the Bible and was only retconned through 12th century Aggadic Midrash Jewish fan fiction? What makes ANY extra-biblical literature -- the Talmud to Tosefta, Mishnah, Jubilees, Enoch, Ben-Sira, Habukkuk, Aggadah, Zephaniah, Zechariah, Malachi, Maccabees, Zohar, Sedar Olam, and any of the other 50+ non-canonical Epistles, Gospels, Acts, and Gnostics -- what makes ANY OF THEM MORE OR LESS TRUE than anything anyone else could write on a cocktail napkin? And that's not to count all the countless revisions, additions, deletions, sects, schisms, and different interpretations and rewritings of the Bible over the past two thousand years.... Who is really the arbiter of the absolute truth and knowledge that any single source conveys? How can you make that determination without any certainty and without evidence?

maxalt: Remember God made the Universe so any thing he wants is possible,


And apparently that choice is always benevolent? That's impossible. God can only be Good and God can only do Good. If He were Evil or if He did Evil, He would not be God. That makes Him just as deterministic as the people He controls. He is a slave to his own conceit.

maxalt: I am an engineer and it is in my nature to try to figure things out...I am naturally inquisitive when it comes to everything.


I have been surrounded by engineers my entire life, so I apologize if I sound demeaning, but from my experience engineers are not naturally inquisitive insomuch as they are SKILLED. They have been trained to problem solve a certain way, but not necessarily think critically about the problem. So they are NOT good at figuring things out, they are good at figuring ONE thing out, usually whatever ties to their profession ie: if all they know how to do is hammer, then they tend to solve every problem like its a nail.

If you were TRULY inquisitive and naturally want to understand how things work, you immediately should have stopped yourself when this happened:

maxalt: I had a life changing experience


Because eyewitness accounts are the lowest form of evidence gathering and are usually completely inadmissible in almost every field of scientific and rational inquiry. Except law.

As an engineer, you should understand, acknowledge and accept this.

maxalt: Mostly God is faith, there are many stories of people dying and finding themselves in Heaven or Hell only to be sent back to finish their time here on Earth.


Those aren't stories of people dying, those are stories of people being near-death and seeing hallucinations -- light at the end of the tunnel, angels, heaven, etc. Their brains are going through neurotropic shock and are releasing an extreme level of endorphines, inducing incredible visions and lucid states of alternative consciousness.

The stories of people who have been actually declared clinically brain dead, including one case of a man being dead for over 24 hours, suddenly coming back to life, and all of them assert the same experience: Nothing happens. It's like being asleep. They remember nothing.

As an engineer, you should understand, acknowledge and accept this.

maxalt: That was so Eve and Adam would populate the world


No, what I mean is: Menses is completely absorbed inside the uterine cavity in most other mammals. Why not humans?

maxalt: Remember the Earth is a battle between God and Satan,


Question: What do you suppose a world not being fought over by God and Satan would look like? Do you think it would be any better or worse than this one? Do you think you could tell the difference between the two, and if so, how? Would we still be fighting over religion if God and Satan weren't around? Without a standard of comparison, how can we be sure whether we're really living in the God-controlled world or not?

maxalt: I could teach you about almost anything but you have to come to God alone, the commitment is one only you can make.


You can? ...I have asked you dozens of questions and you have failed to answer a single one. What kind of teaching is that?
 
2013-03-20 06:36:39 PM  

Ishkur: maxalt: Well Eve was not Adams 1st wife, if you read the Hebrew scriptures,

I have. So why was Lilith not in the Bible and was only retconned through 12th century Aggadic Midrash Jewish fan fiction? What makes ANY extra-biblical literature -- the Talmud to Tosefta, Mishnah, Jubilees, Enoch, Ben-Sira, Habukkuk, Aggadah, Zephaniah, Zechariah, Malachi, Maccabees, Zohar, Sedar Olam, and any of the other 50+ non-canonical Epistles, Gospels, Acts, and Gnostics -- what makes ANY OF THEM MORE OR LESS TRUE than anything anyone else could write on a cocktail napkin? And that's not to count all the countless revisions, additions, deletions, sects, schisms, and different interpretations and rewritings of the Bible over the past two thousand years.... Who is really the arbiter of the absolute truth and knowledge that any single source conveys? How can you make that determination without any certainty and without evidence?

maxalt: Remember God made the Universe so any thing he wants is possible,

And apparently that choice is always benevolent? That's impossible. God can only be Good and God can only do Good. If He were Evil or if He did Evil, He would not be God. That makes Him just as deterministic as the people He controls. He is a slave to his own conceit.

maxalt: I am an engineer and it is in my nature to try to figure things out...I am naturally inquisitive when it comes to everything.

I have been surrounded by engineers my entire life, so I apologize if I sound demeaning, but from my experience engineers are not naturally inquisitive insomuch as they are SKILLED. They have been trained to problem solve a certain way, but not necessarily think critically about the problem. So they are NOT good at figuring things out, they are good at figuring ONE thing out, usually whatever ties to their profession ie: if all they know how to do is hammer, then they tend to solve every problem like its a nail.

If you were TRULY inquisitive and naturally want to understand how things wo ...


I am truly questioning, as far as thinking out of the box at first I designed computer hard drives in the mid 70's, then I went on to design pollution monitoring equipment from scratch. Now I am working on a circuit board to recognize something that until now only a human could see, so believe me I do think out of the box. You have used or relied on something I designed or helped design many times in your life, provided you have used a computer, driven a car, drank clean water or breathed clean air. I have tired of this conversation, you see more interested in trying to make me into something I am not than really having a conversation. Bye Bye
 
2013-03-20 07:07:45 PM  

maxalt: I am truly questioning


Then why haven't you asked any of the questions I asked? ...they're not that unusual and pretty standard in any field of investigative inquiry.

maxalt: I have tired of this conversation


Why? I thought you were an inquisitive person. Don't you want to know the answers?

maxalt: you see more interested in trying to make me into something I am not than really having a conversation.


I'm only responding to what you're posting, nothing more. If that's the impression you get, then maybe you should look at the way you communicate with others.

You seem to be more interesting in making yourself out to be the complete opposite of what you actually post, which I find highly unusual. That you now want to quit and run away instead of explore the issue further (after telling me how much of a fantastic free thinker you are) is very telling.

I bid you adieu.
 
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