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2013-03-17 06:13:53 PM  

GoSurfing: these mentally ill people can/will act out with other weapons?


Like bath tubs. And video games.
 
2013-03-17 06:14:02 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Princess Ryans Knickers: You sound like a hippie! No respect for law and order! Back in my day we'd whip you whippersnappers and teach you respect!

All the hippies rolled up their anti-war, anti-gitmo, and anti-illegal-wiretapping banners and went home the day Obama was sworn in.


You are aware that Code Pink is still active, right?

Oh no wait, of course you aren't.
 
2013-03-17 06:14:07 PM  

LarryDan43: LarryDan43: What about being in this country ILLEGALLY is so hard for you to understand! It is against the LAW for them to be here! Look, I don't have a problem with immigrants who follow the law and get here legally. But the law is the law and it should be enforced.

Crap, sorry, thought this was about Mexicans.  Anyway, good for him, stupid laws shouldn't be enforced.


You do know that Obama is the most deportating-est president in history, don't you?  And not by a hair either, he's already deported twice as many people as Bush in half the time.
 
2013-03-17 06:15:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine.

No they're not. Muzzle climb tends to mess with your aim.

You obviously know nothing about guns. You don't have to shoot all 30 rounds at <i> once</i>

Then why do you need 30 rounds to "defend against" charging mountain lions?


Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you should ridicule it.
 
2013-03-17 06:15:29 PM  

GoSurfing: Point being gun control legislation DOES NOT EQUAL mental health legislation. If it is nutjobs that are committing mass shootings...why don't we try to deal with NUTJOBS FIRST


Why can't we do both? My ENTIRE POINT is that the SAFE act did both. Jesus, do you even know about the gun legislation you are entirely against?
 
2013-03-17 06:16:16 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: re you aware that some people don't SEEK treatment when mentally ill? Are you aware that these people will continue to exist in society, barring some sort of thought crime technology? Are you aware that with the removal of all guns, these mentally ill people can/will act out with other weapons?

Are you aware that there are ways to reduce such events? Jesus, it's like if it can't be 100% stopped you don't want to try.

Ummm, you are making a pretty much identical assertion by going after the minority of gun owners that commit crimes.


I'm not sure I follow.
 
2013-03-17 06:16:49 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: Clemkadidlefark: Hey, Subby ...

Upholding the Constitution is Job #1 for a Sheriff. Not standing aside to let the citizens of his County get it up the back hole from Libtards who claim to be writing them some laws.

[www.glennbeck.com image 296x300]

It must suck to be a flaming marxist in a free nation, but you can always fix that by moving to North Korea.

No, upholding state and county law is Job #1 for a sherriff.  Are you retarded?


Actually, no. They are an elected police force. Hint: They are often called peace officers. Their job #1 is to keep the peace.
 
2013-03-17 06:17:01 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine.

No they're not. Muzzle climb tends to mess with your aim.

You obviously know nothing about guns. You don't have to shoot all 30 rounds at <i> once</i>

Then why do you need 30 rounds to "defend against" charging mountain lions?

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you should ridicule it.


Oh, I understand completely. You haven't explained where I'm incorrect.
 
2013-03-17 06:17:41 PM  

brerrabbit: Doktor_Zhivago: Clemkadidlefark: Hey, Subby ...

Upholding the Constitution is Job #1 for a Sheriff. Not standing aside to let the citizens of his County get it up the back hole from Libtards who claim to be writing them some laws.

[www.glennbeck.com image 296x300]

It must suck to be a flaming marxist in a free nation, but you can always fix that by moving to North Korea.

No, upholding state and county law is Job #1 for a sherriff.  Are you retarded?

Actually, no. They are an elected police force. Hint: They are often called peace officers. Their job #1 is to keep the peace.


Why do you think Sheriffs are called "law enforcement officers"?
 
2013-03-17 06:18:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: Point being gun control legislation DOES NOT EQUAL mental health legislation. If it is nutjobs that are committing mass shootings...why don't we try to deal with NUTJOBS FIRST

Why can't we do both? My ENTIRE POINT is that the SAFE act did both. Jesus, do you even know about the gun legislation you are entirely against?


Because the former (gun control legislation) effects completely law abiding citizens, with the 2nd amendment of our constitution protecting them, and the latter effects the mentally ill- the group generally blamed for mass shootings and psychotic events.

The problem is, the gun control folks don't have the balls to admit that, because they can't stir up and stigmatize the mentally ill community, and make them out to be scapegoats.
 
2013-03-17 06:18:08 PM  

jaytkay: iheartscotch: Due to bears and mountain lions; Coloradans actually need firearms. Giant mountain kitties think people are pretty tasty.

Totally just protecting himself against bears and mountain lions:


These guys, too. Bears and mountains lions threatened them on a daily basis:


Hey, the second two got their guns during the first assault weapons ban; really worked then, huh?

Remember our orange haired friend's dastardly 100 round magazines? They probably saved lives, as they are notoriously unreliable.

On a less snarky note; I feel that the right to choose for yourself is what makes American great. Everything from cheeseburgers to guns. You can choose what is best for you and your family. I feel that every American should own a gun; not because of some paranoid delusion, but, because we have that freedom.

/ I don't have a police record, not even jaywalking; should my rights be infringed apon because some nut job decided to shoot someone? Kind of sounds like punishing everyone for the crimes of a few to me.
 
2013-03-17 06:18:41 PM  
How is it impossible to enforce a background check requirement.

You arrest a guy, he's got a gun he shouldn't be able to buy.  You ask him where he got it, he gives you a name.  You send in a deputy with a fake ID that can't pass the check and see if the source of the gun will sell another one.

If this is too complicated for the sheriff, he can just ask the local alcohol control board, since it's pretty damn much the exact thing they do to bust people serving liqour to minors.
 
2013-03-17 06:19:01 PM  

GoSurfing: Because the former (gun control legislation) effects completely law abiding citizens,


If there's a constitutional law passed and they violate it, are they law-abiding citizens?
 
2013-03-17 06:19:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine.

No they're not. Muzzle climb tends to mess with your aim.


Yeah but that also assumes you're going hunting when attacked. Colorado has plenty of hunters. It also has a lot of people who are hiking in the wilderness. A pistol is a lot lighter than a rifle when you're hiking 10 miles a mile up.
 
2013-03-17 06:19:40 PM  

Karac: You arrest a guy, he's got a gun he shouldn't be able to buy.  You ask him where he got it, he gives you a name.  You send in a deputy with a fake ID that can't pass the check and see if the source of the gun will sell another one.


As I showed earlier, this has already happened in NYS under the SAFE law.
 
2013-03-17 06:19:52 PM  

vpb: I want to see him try to interfere with the ATF or FBI if they arrest someone.  I'll bet his cell mates will like his purdy mouth.


If the ATF or FBI are enforcing state laws... I hope a lot of people take issue with that.
 
2013-03-17 06:20:24 PM  

redmid17: cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine.

No they're not. Muzzle climb tends to mess with your aim.

Yeah but that also assumes you're going hunting when attacked. Colorado has plenty of hunters. It also has a lot of people who are hiking in the wilderness. A pistol is a lot lighter than a rifle when you're hiking 10 miles a mile up.


If you need a 30 round mag to hit something at pistol range then you have bigger problems.
 
2013-03-17 06:20:29 PM  

heypete: jaytkay: Say you have 15-round magazine in a 9mm pistol. How do you "easily" convert that to a larger magazine?

You snap on an extender, which is readily available. Takes a few seconds.

See this video. Around 0:54 the news shows a guy who does it.


OK, I see, thanks. I did not know about magazine extenders.
 
2013-03-17 06:21:18 PM  
fark him, its the cops' job to enforce laws even if they don't like it.

Unless it's immigration or pot laws that I don't like, then they have an obligation to ignore it.
 
2013-03-17 06:21:55 PM  

Silly Jesus: jaytkay: Silly Jesus: Nobody would ever need more than 15 rounds for protection?  Right?  I wonder why law enforcement was given an exemption then...oh, wait, this just in, sometimes more than 15 rounds might be needed.

You must get into a lot of combat situations. That sounds exciting. Tell us all about your experiences.

So only those who have needed a gun in the past should be allowed to have one?  You must get into a lot of grueling intellectual contests with 3rd graders.  That sounds exciting.  Tell us about your experiences.


So you have not, but you are likely to get into a lot combat situations.

Tell us all about that. It sounds exciting.
 
2013-03-17 06:23:33 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine.

No they're not. Muzzle climb tends to mess with your aim.


Muzzle climb? In an Ar-15? Have you ever fired a Ar-15? Yes it has some; but, it is very easily controlled in a semi-auto application. Full auto, I might agree about; but that's too expensive for most people.

/ 5.56 really isn't that powerful; it's a really big .22; and the rifle is designed to minimize muzzle climb
 
2013-03-17 06:24:26 PM  

iheartscotch: jaytkay: iheartscotch: Due to bears and mountain lions; Coloradans actually need firearms. Giant mountain kitties think people are pretty tasty.

Totally just protecting himself against bears and mountain lions:


These guys, too. Bears and mountains lions threatened them on a daily basis:

Hey, the second two got their guns during the first assault weapons ban; really worked then, huh?

Remember our orange haired friend's dastardly 100 round magazines? They probably saved lives, as they are notoriously unreliable.

On a less snarky note; I feel that the right to choose for yourself is what makes American great. Everything from cheeseburgers to guns. You can choose what is best for you and your family. I feel that every American should own a gun; not because of some paranoid delusion, but, because we have that freedom.

/ I don't have a police record, not even jaywalking; should my rights be infringed apon because some nut job decided to shoot someone? Kind of sounds like punishing everyone for the crimes of a few to me.


As a gun nut, it's your duty to at least ameliorate the damage caused by gun nuts gone (more) crazy. What is your plan? What do you propose? If you guys can't clean up your own mess, others will do it for you.
 
2013-03-17 06:24:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: You are aware that Code Pink is still active, right?

Oh no wait, of course you aren't.


Code Pink? Yeah, but you forgot about Poland! Hahahah. LoL!

On a side note, I fully support these anti-war efforts, even by the Code Pink, but the fact remains, U.S. liberals pulled up stakes, packed up camp, and went home the minute Obama was elected. They put their ideals and principles aside for a party that doesn't even half-ass represent them anymore, and in doing so, they traded their integrity and lost a lot of credibility in the process. I mean, damn.

So again, what's the big deal, were you accepted or did you attend Duke? I don't want to embarrass you, I won't ask again, just curious given that username.
 
2013-03-17 06:24:40 PM  

iheartscotch: Muzzle climb? In an Ar-15? Have you ever fired a Ar-15? Yes it has some;


You know what doesn't have a problem with muzzle climb? A Winchester .303 bolt-action. Accurate out to a longer range, too. And you're more likely to hit what you're shooting at. And drop it on the first shot.
 
2013-03-17 06:25:24 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Code Pink? Yeah, but you forgot about Poland! Hahahah. LoL!


I thought you said "anti-war liberals" packed up and went home. Are you now moving off that point? "Moving the goalposts" as it were?
 
2013-03-17 06:26:28 PM  

iheartscotch: dukwbutter: jake_lex: I bet the gun nuts who applaud this would call for him to go to jail if he said "You know, I think I'm just not going to arrest people for possessing pot anymore."

Pot is legal in Colorado idiot.

In violation of federal law. Federal law > State law. States nullifying laws led to the civil war.


Local law enforcement cannot be forced to enforce federal law. There's case law behind this and everything.
 
2013-03-17 06:26:38 PM  
I applaud the sheriff for standing up for the Bill of Rights particularly the 2ND Amendment.  What part of "Shall NOT not be infringed" can't the demoshiats (with their globalist agendas) not understand?
 
2013-03-17 06:27:19 PM  

GoldenEggs: I applaud the sheriff for standing up for the Bill of Rights particularly the 2ND Amendment.  What part of "Shall NOT not be infringed" can't the demoshiats (with their globalist agendas) not understand?


The part where there are such things as "reasonable restrictions."
 
2013-03-17 06:28:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine.

No they're not. Muzzle climb tends to mess with your aim.

Yeah but that also assumes you're going hunting when attacked. Colorado has plenty of hunters. It also has a lot of people who are hiking in the wilderness. A pistol is a lot lighter than a rifle when you're hiking 10 miles a mile up.

If you need a 30 round mag to hit something at pistol range then you have bigger problems.


I wouldn't use a 30 round mag in a pistol since they aren't really too reliable (for my taste). I would appreciate it if they didn't arbitrarily outlaw plenty of guns with a standard magazine capacity higher than 15 (ie Glock 17). Frankly given the accuracy of police under duress and that we're talking about shooting 400 lb bears or 200 lb mountain lions, I'd like as many bullets as I can carry. The problem with magazine size limits is that they are often arbitrary and outlawed by people who don't know what they are writing laws about, as evidenced by the earlier post where the bill's author wasn't aware that her ban could be enforced against every magazine in the state.
 
2013-03-17 06:30:21 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Muzzle climb? In an Ar-15? Have you ever fired a Ar-15? Yes it has some;

You know what doesn't have a problem with muzzle climb? A Winchester .303 bolt-action. Accurate out to a longer range, too. And you're more likely to hit what you're shooting at. And drop it on the first shot.


You don't really have to worry about long ranges if a bear or mountain is trying to attack you. Just an FYI
 
2013-03-17 06:31:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Muzzle climb? In an Ar-15? Have you ever fired a Ar-15? Yes it has some;

You know what doesn't have a problem with muzzle climb? A Winchester .303 bolt-action. Accurate out to a longer range, too. And you're more likely to hit what you're shooting at. And drop it on the first shot.


This is why cops always carry a large hunting rifles on patrol instead of a pistol that they can grab and shoot immediately.

Having a small, light firearm that is quick on the draw is the most useless thing when you need to react quickly to being physically attacked.

And don't even get me on a higher capacity derp, you have to be an absolute moron if you can't get a killshot on the first squeeze of the trigger. Wild predators move extremely slowly and never hunt in a group larger than one.
 
2013-03-17 06:31:19 PM  
Why can't they decide to not enforce the weed laws
 
2013-03-17 06:31:39 PM  

redmid17: Frankly given the accuracy of police under duress and that we're talking about shooting 400 lb bears or 200 lb mountain lions, I'd like as many bullets as I can carry.


Why can't you have as many bullets as you can carry in multiple magazines? Why are you carrying a pistol when you are in reasonable danger of seeing a 400 lb bear that probably wouldn't stop when hit by multiple .45 ACP rounds at pistol engagement range?
 
2013-03-17 06:32:00 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: machodonkeywrestler: cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine.

No they're not. Muzzle climb tends to mess with your aim.

You obviously know nothing about guns. You don't have to shoot all 30 rounds at <i> once</i>

Then why do you need 30 rounds to "defend against" charging mountain lions?

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean you should ridicule it.

Oh, I understand completely. You haven't explained where I'm incorrect.


You haven't explained what basis you have for assuming you know what goes on in the Colorado Mtns, so I guess we're even.
 
2013-03-17 06:32:21 PM  

super_grass: This is why cops always carry a large hunting rifles on patrol instead of a pistol that they can grab and shoot immediately.


Cops on patrol are usually attacked by bears in the mountains?
 
2013-03-17 06:33:24 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: You haven't explained what basis you have for assuming you know what goes on in the Colorado Mtns, so I guess we're even


I'll take that as you telling me that I'm correct.

I grew up going to Vermont every summer with my grandad. He never took a pistol or an AR-15 out to the mountains with him
 
2013-03-17 06:33:52 PM  
FTHL : sheriff announces that he will no longer enforce laws he doesn't like

Please be sodomy laws... Please be sodomy laws... Please be sodomy laws...

*reads TFA*

/ damn
 
2013-03-17 06:36:20 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: thought you said "anti-war liberals" packed up and went home.


Yep, rolled up the old tie-dyed banners, scooped up the ashes from the burnt Bush effigies (those peaceful souls), lit some patchouli incense and hit the road. That's exactly what I'm saying. How many of them do you think attended Obama's 40K a plate dinners? That's a lot of patchouli you know.
 
2013-03-17 06:36:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: machodonkeywrestler: You haven't explained what basis you have for assuming you know what goes on in the Colorado Mtns, so I guess we're even

I'll take that as you telling me that I'm correct.

I grew up going to Vermont every summer with my grandad. He never took a pistol or an AR-15 out to the mountains with him


No, I'm just pointing out that the sphere of occurrences expands beyond your small realm of your experiences. Try not to take a condescending tone with those around you and actually listen to those who know better than you about certain experiences, don't dismiss them offhand like you did upstream.
 
2013-03-17 06:37:18 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: cameroncrazy1984: thought you said "anti-war liberals" packed up and went home.

Yep, rolled up the old tie-dyed banners, scooped up the ashes from the burnt Bush effigies (those peaceful souls), lit some patchouli incense and hit the road. That's exactly what I'm saying. How many of them do you think attended Obama's 40K a plate dinners? That's a lot of patchouli you know.


So by "packing up and went home" you actually meant "are still actively protesting"?

That's some weird form of English you're writing, there.
 
2013-03-17 06:37:29 PM  
15-round magazine limit and some people are griping about that? Come out to California where people soil themselves with fear at the thought of anything holding more than 10. Or even better, go to New York, where they think you only need 7.
 
2013-03-17 06:37:55 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: No, I'm just pointing out that the sphere of occurrences expands beyond your small realm of your experiences. Try not to take a condescending tone with those around you and actually listen to those who know better than you about certain experiences, don't dismiss them offhand like you did upstream.


Oh so now I'm not "wrong," I'm just condescending. I tend to be that way when people make assumptions about me when I'm correct.
 
2013-03-17 06:38:17 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Muzzle climb? In an Ar-15? Have you ever fired a Ar-15? Yes it has some;

You know what doesn't have a problem with muzzle climb? A Winchester .303 bolt-action. Accurate out to a longer range, too. And you're more likely to hit what you're shooting at. And drop it on the first shot.


It's still a rifle designed for a military; and as such, it's a super baby/puppy killer.

I agree, big bolt action rifles are more accurate and more likely to drop a wild animal on the first shot; but, most (especially .303) were designed for one military or another.

/ My 76 year old mosin could be considered a military assault weapon because it came with a bayonet.
 
2013-03-17 06:38:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: GoldenEggs: I applaud the sheriff for standing up for the Bill of Rights particularly the 2ND Amendment.  What part of "Shall NOT not be infringed" can't the demoshiats (with their globalist agendas) not understand?

The part where there are such things as "reasonable restrictions."


Reasonable infringements, you mean?
 
2013-03-17 06:38:57 PM  

hundreddollarman: 15-round magazine limit and some people are griping about that? Come out to California where people soil themselves with fear at the thought of anything holding more than 10. Or even better, go to New York, where they think you only need 7.


Since the SAFE act, I have not heard 1 store of someone being killed because they only had 7 rounds in the magazine.
 
2013-03-17 06:38:58 PM  

jaytkay: OK, I see, thanks. I did not know about magazine extenders.


Yet you came in and calling people "frightened emotional" as if there isn't a legitimate concern over the wording of that law and its implications.

At this point, I just ignore cameroncrazy1984, because he's made his thoughtlessness apparent. You, however, might have a chance to educate yourself on why many of us think laws like this are both unenforceable or overbroad. The background checks is another case - it turns presumption of innocence on its head, as any firearm you own from a private transfer predating the enactment of this law invites scrutiny where you have to prove your innocence. That is, you can be presumed to have illegally acquired it in a transfer until you can somehow prove that the firearm was acquired prior to the enactment of the bill.
 
2013-03-17 06:39:29 PM  

GoldenEggs: globalist agendas


How are the black helicopters today? Pretty thick?
 
2013-03-17 06:39:46 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: redmid17: Frankly given the accuracy of police under duress and that we're talking about shooting 400 lb bears or 200 lb mountain lions, I'd like as many bullets as I can carry.

Why can't you have as many bullets as you can carry in multiple magazines? Why are you carrying a pistol when you are in reasonable danger of seeing a 400 lb bear that probably wouldn't stop when hit by multiple .45 ACP rounds at pistol engagement range?


If I have to explain this to you, you either have never been hiking, don't own any guns, or are mentally deficient. It's the variability of the situation and, more to the point, there is a very likely possibility that you'd be taken for a poacher if you were carrying around a rifle. Also if humans can survive multiple gun shots wounds and at best you're hoping for a 30% hit rate (like the police), it'd be nice to get more than 3-4 meaningful shots in. Human can cover 21 ft in 1.5 seconds. Pardon me if I find animals with meat hooks for claws and flesh-rending jaws just a bit more dangerous than an unarmed human.
 
2013-03-17 06:40:07 PM  

Happy Hours: Somewhat related to this was a speech I saw on the Colorado version of CSPAN.

The ban on magazines holding more than 15 rounds also (allegedly) includes wording which says something to the effect of "or could easily be converted to hold more than 15 rounds".

The guy pulls a 10-round clip out of his pocket and then pulls out a plastic extender magazine which slid right into it.

If he's right and that language was included in the final version it sounds like that particular law is a bunch of farking bullshiat.

I'm actually tempted to go buy a gun (along with accessories) while I still can. Then again, I suppose I could always drive down to Texas and get one if/when I ever really want/need one.

Or if such laws are passed nationwide, I could always seek out the black market.


Nice of you to go rogue just for the sake of being a dick.
 
2013-03-17 06:40:19 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: machodonkeywrestler: No, I'm just pointing out that the sphere of occurrences expands beyond your small realm of your experiences. Try not to take a condescending tone with those around you and actually listen to those who know better than you about certain experiences, don't dismiss them offhand like you did upstream.

Oh so now I'm not "wrong," I'm just condescending. I tend to be that way when people make assumptions about me when I'm correct.


I never called you wrong, I just pointed out that you were being condescending. Your second sentence, however, tells me you're just a dick and I am wasting my time.
 
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