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2013-03-17 05:55:50 PM

IlGreven: ..okay, I approve of the law, and condemn the dumbass cop who's doing this, but this was the most idiotic thing I've seen yet on this thread


What part of that was idiotic? Do the rights of citizens extend to breaking laws judged to be Constitutional or not?
 
2013-03-17 05:55:55 PM
Hey, Subby ...

Upholding the Constitution is Job #1 for a Sheriff. Not standing aside to let the citizens of his County get it up the back hole from Libtards who claim to be writing them some laws.

www.glennbeck.com

It must suck to be a flaming marxist in a free nation, but you can always fix that by moving to North Korea.
 
2013-03-17 05:56:19 PM

cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: The reason is because there's not a damn thing anyone can actually do about it, logistically speaking.

Really? Because New York state actually just did something about it, logistically speaking, in the SAFE act.


New York != Colorado

Due to bears and mountain lions; Coloradans actually need firearms. Giant mountain kitties think people are pretty tasty.
 
2013-03-17 05:56:43 PM

najay1: Gun control is the knee jerk emotional reaction of people that fear their own shadow


The guys in the suburbs who "need" a gun to drive to the 7-11 for a Slurpee are the frightened emotional ones.
 
2013-03-17 05:56:48 PM

GoSurfing: cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: The reason is because there's not a damn thing anyone can actually do about it, logistically speaking.

Really? Because New York state actually just did something about it, logistically speaking, in the SAFE act.

Again dipshiat, all the LAWS in the world, don't solve someone from being mentally ill.


Ooh namecalling really lends strength to your argument. Are you aware that laws can provide funding for the treatment that mentally ill people need? I mean, really, have you thought for more than 3 seconds about the issue and how government works?
 
2013-03-17 05:57:15 PM

Happy Hours: Somewhat related to this was a speech I saw on the Colorado version of CSPAN.

The ban on magazines holding more than 15 rounds also (allegedly) includes wording which says something to the effect of "or could easily be converted to hold more than 15 rounds".

The guy pulls a 10-round clip out of his pocket and then pulls out a plastic extender magazine which slid right into it.

If he's right and that language was included in the final version it sounds like that particular law is a bunch of farking bullshiat.

I'm actually tempted to go buy a gun (along with accessories) while I still can. Then again, I suppose I could always drive down to Texas and get one if/when I ever really want/need one.

Or if such laws are passed nationwide, I could always seek out the black market.


You sound Soft on Crime and a no-good commie hippie!
 
2013-03-17 05:57:51 PM

iheartscotch: cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: The reason is because there's not a damn thing anyone can actually do about it, logistically speaking.

Really? Because New York state actually just did something about it, logistically speaking, in the SAFE act.

New York != Colorado

Due to bears and mountain lions; Coloradans actually need firearms. Giant mountain kitties think people are pretty tasty.


Fun fact: The SAFE act has nothing to do with hunting rifles, unless you somehow think that mountain lions are easier to hunt with an AR-15 with a 30 round mag than a Winchester .303.
 
2013-03-17 05:59:14 PM

Clemkadidlefark: Hey, Subby ...

Upholding the Constitution is Job #1 for a Sheriff. Not standing aside to let the citizens of his County get it up the back hole from Libtards who claim to be writing them some laws.

[www.glennbeck.com image 296x300]

It must suck to be a flaming marxist in a free nation, but you can always fix that by moving to North Korea.


No, upholding state and county law is Job #1 for a sherriff.  Are you retarded?
 
2013-03-17 05:59:42 PM

jaytkay: Azlefty: 1. It is written in such a way as to make 95% of magazines that meet the capacity illegal since they can "easily be converted" this is vague and arbitrary

Say you have 15-round magazine in a 9mm pistol. How do you "easily" convert that to a larger magazine?


depending on the style of magazine and pistol, some black (or your choice of color) electrical tape or duct tape would work, with a second magazine.
 
2013-03-17 06:00:17 PM

Happy Hours: Oh, and about Weld County.

WTF do you expect from them?

I believe they already passed legislation banning recreational marijuana sales -


As each county can under the law. Get over it hippie.
 
2013-03-17 06:00:25 PM

cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: The reason is because there's not a damn thing anyone can actually do about it, logistically speaking.

Really? Because New York state actually just did something about it, logistically speaking, in the SAFE act.

Again dipshiat, all the LAWS in the world, don't solve someone from being mentally ill.

Ooh namecalling really lends strength to your argument. Are you aware that laws can provide funding for the treatment that mentally ill people need? I mean, really, have you thought for more than 3 seconds about the issue and how government works?


My "argument" isn't so much an argument, as it is common sense. Are you aware that some people don't respond to treatment when mentally ill? Are you aware that some people don't SEEK treatment when mentally ill? Are you aware that these people will continue to exist in society, barring some sort of thought crime technology? Are you aware that with the removal of all guns, these mentally ill people can/will act out with other weapons?
 
2013-03-17 06:00:38 PM

cman: I believe lawmen are supposed to swear to uphold the laws and constitution of the state.

How exactly does one negotiate which conflicts with which?


There's this thing called discretion.  An officer doesn't have to pull over everyone that he sees roll through a stop sign, for example.  There are certain exceptions, like family violence, where he must act...but there are many things, including this situation, where discretion is applicable.  Sort of a nullification of the stupidity of the legislature.
 
2013-03-17 06:00:48 PM

iheartscotch: Due to bears and mountain lions; Coloradans actually need firearms. Giant mountain kitties think people are pretty tasty.


Totally just protecting himself against bears and mountain lions:
static.ow.ly

These guys, too. Bears and mountains lions threatened them on a daily basis:
trueslant.com
 
2013-03-17 06:01:19 PM

graeylin: jaytkay: Azlefty: 1. It is written in such a way as to make 95% of magazines that meet the capacity illegal since they can "easily be converted" this is vague and arbitrary

Say you have 15-round magazine in a 9mm pistol. How do you "easily" convert that to a larger magazine?

depending on the style of magazine and pistol, some black (or your choice of color) electrical tape or duct tape would work, with a second magazine.


So about as effective as making sawed off shotguns illegal for the general public.
 
2013-03-17 06:01:43 PM

GoSurfing: My "argument" isn't so much an argument, as it is common sense


Your "common sense" isn't medical science, nor does it take into account that the government can pay for mental health treatments.
 
2013-03-17 06:02:36 PM

GAT_00: I like it when local officials suddenly decide they get to pick and choose what is right and wrong and what they enforce.

Your job as sheriff is to serve the people, not serve your own politics.


You didn't realize that law enforcement has wide discretion?  Do you think that they stop every jay walker or stop sign roller or litterer etc?  They pick and choose what is worth their time on a daily basis.
 
2013-03-17 06:03:24 PM

Silly Jesus: GAT_00: I like it when local officials suddenly decide they get to pick and choose what is right and wrong and what they enforce.

Your job as sheriff is to serve the people, not serve your own politics.

You didn't realize that law enforcement has wide discretion?  Do you think that they stop every jay walker or stop sign roller or litterer etc?  They pick and choose what is worth their time on a daily basis.


That's completely different from "not at all"
 
2013-03-17 06:03:41 PM

namatad: cameroncrazy1984: EvilEgg: Meh, law enforcement has always had wide latitude as to how and when then they enforce. Speeding laws for instance how often are they rigidly enforced?

This isn't the same thing as a speeding law.

How is this NOT exactly the same thing as not enforcing a speeding law?
Are you actually ok with cops deciding which laws to enforce? With cops playing judge and legislator?
I am not.

This same mind set allows cops to decide who to selectively pull over to enforce minor traffic violations.
Unless you are ok with DWB.


You think that cops act on every crime that they see all day long?  They'd never get more than 10 feet from the station.
 
2013-03-17 06:03:52 PM

fusillade762: Watch out, we got a badass constitutional law expert over here.


I'm guessing your con-law experts only come out in the pot threads :-)
 
2013-03-17 06:03:54 PM

cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: My "argument" isn't so much an argument, as it is common sense

Your "common sense" isn't medical science, nor does it take into account that the government can pay for mental health treatments.


Let me revisit my post for you, the one you just edited:

Are you aware that some people don't respond to treatment when mentally ill? Are you aware that some people don't SEEK treatment when mentally ill? Are you aware that these people will continue to exist in society, barring some sort of thought crime technology? Are you aware that with the removal of all guns, these mentally ill people can/will act out with other weapons?
 
2013-03-17 06:04:26 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Fun fact: The SAFE act has nothing to do with hunting rifles,


The second amendment has nothing to do with hunting rifles either.
 
2013-03-17 06:04:41 PM
It won't be long until gun owners will have their very own sanctuary cities!
 
2013-03-17 06:04:46 PM

LarryDan43: LarryDan43: What about being in this country ILLEGALLY is so hard for you to understand! It is against the LAW for them to be here! Look, I don't have a problem with immigrants who follow the law and get here legally. But the law is the law and it should be enforced.

Crap, sorry, thought this was about Mexicans.  Anyway, good for him, stupid laws shouldn't be enforced.


You should be ridiculed for your kneejerk reaction.
 
2013-03-17 06:05:31 PM
Weld County Sheriff John Cooke won't enforce new state gun measures expected to be signed into law by Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper, arguing the proposed firearms restrictions give a "false sense of security."

Lawmakers in Colorado on Friday approved a landmark expansion of background checks on firearm purchases. Earlier in the week, Colorado lawmakers approved a 15-round limit on ammunition magazines.


/Good for him. This is a retarded knee jerk response to a semi auto firing douche bag killing a bunch of kids. This new law is pointless, ineffective, and a huge waste of taxpayers money. If a guy is going to go bugshiat and start killing people, what is the difference between a 15 round mag and a 30? You would just carry more 15 round mags and reload more often. This is another stupid ass law that does nothing to address the real problem, which is not fixable. That being spotting someone with mental health issues that might go full retard at any second. Good luck with that. There is NO way to tell this will happen. Some people are farking full bore crazy, and you can't tell until they open fire. Changing a mag limit is like pissing into the wind to put out a 100 acre wildfire. Your pants will just get wet, and you'll look like an idiot.
 
2013-03-17 06:05:54 PM
Nobody would ever need more than 15 rounds for protection?  Right?  I wonder why law enforcement was given an exemption then...oh, wait, this just in, sometimes more than 15 rounds might be needed.
 
2013-03-17 06:06:12 PM

LarryDan43: LarryDan43: What about being in this country ILLEGALLY is so hard for you to understand! It is against the LAW for them to be here! Look, I don't have a problem with immigrants who follow the law and get here legally. But the law is the law and it should be enforced.

Crap, sorry, thought this was about Mexicans.  Anyway, good for him, stupid laws shouldn't be enforced.


Also hypocrisy.
 
2013-03-17 06:06:18 PM

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: The reason is because there's not a damn thing anyone can actually do about it, logistically speaking.

Really? Because New York state actually just did something about it, logistically speaking, in the SAFE act.

New York != Colorado

Due to bears and mountain lions; Coloradans actually need firearms. Giant mountain kitties think people are pretty tasty.

Fun fact: The SAFE act has nothing to do with hunting rifles, unless you somehow think that mountain lions are easier to hunt with an AR-15 with a 30 round mag than a Winchester .303.


Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine. Are you hunting mountain lions with a Winchester model 1895 .303 made for the Russian army? Better sell that quickly; as it was made for a military!

/ besides, that has too many rounds the maximum for hunting mountain lions is 4 or 5, I forget which
 
2013-03-17 06:06:28 PM

GoSurfing: re you aware that some people don't SEEK treatment when mentally ill? Are you aware that these people will continue to exist in society, barring some sort of thought crime technology? Are you aware that with the removal of all guns, these mentally ill people can/will act out with other weapons?


Are you aware that there are ways to reduce such events? Jesus, it's like if it can't be 100% stopped you don't want to try.
 
2013-03-17 06:07:04 PM

iheartscotch: Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine.


No they're not. Muzzle climb tends to mess with your aim.
 
2013-03-17 06:07:48 PM

Silly Jesus: Nobody would ever need more than 15 rounds for protection?  Right?  I wonder why law enforcement was given an exemption then...oh, wait, this just in, sometimes more than 15 rounds might be needed.


Since when do law-enforcement officers use firearms for protection only?
 
2013-03-17 06:07:52 PM

jaytkay: iheartscotch: Due to bears and mountain lions; Coloradans actually need firearms. Giant mountain kitties think people are pretty tasty.

Totally just protecting himself against bears and mountain lions:
[static.ow.ly image 286x358]

These guys, too. Bears and mountains lions threatened them on a daily basis:
[trueslant.com image 286x275]


So three mass murderers completely outweigh the 99% of law abiding gun owners in Colorado that need guns to defend themselves?

Your world is a weird one.
 
2013-03-17 06:08:34 PM
Cooke said the proposed firearms transfer requirement would not keep guns out of the hands of criminals, according to the GreeleyTribune.com report.
The sheriff told the news outlet that he and other county sheriffs "won't bother enforcing" the laws


Well, that's a self-fulfilling prophecy if I've ever heard one.
 
2013-03-17 06:08:39 PM

WhoopAssWayne: cameroncrazy1984: Yeah, no it's not. The rights of citizens do not extend to breaking a Constitutional law

"Just following orders" because some totalitarian crackpots in the Congress and White House signed off on them is not an excuse for throwing out our basic rights, and that's what the Sheriff here is standing up for. Unlike a lot of other contemporary issues, there's just not a lot of grey area here, and to protest an unconstitutional law, and no doubt paying the price for that disobedience, is a true sign of courage in my view.

And again, separate note, but with a username like that did you attend or graduate Duke or is it something altogether different, just curious.


You sound like a hippie! No respect for law and order! Back in my day we'd whip you whippersnappers and teach you respect!
 
2013-03-17 06:08:58 PM
Unconstitutional laws should not be enforced.

Every single day that the armed forces do not march on D.C. is another day they are ignoring their oaths.
 
2013-03-17 06:09:02 PM

cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine.

No they're not. Muzzle climb tends to mess with your aim.


You obviously know nothing about guns. You don't have to shoot all 30 rounds at <i> once</i>
 
2013-03-17 06:09:38 PM

jaytkay: najay1: Gun control is the knee jerk emotional reaction of people that fear their own shadow

The guys in the suburbs who "need" a gun to drive to the 7-11 for a Slurpee are the frightened emotional ones.


What about the guys who piss their pants in fear that someone headed to 7-Eleven might be exercising his Constitutional rights?
 
2013-03-17 06:10:03 PM

Silly Jesus: Nobody would ever need more than 15 rounds for protection?  Right?  I wonder why law enforcement was given an exemption then...oh, wait, this just in, sometimes more than 15 rounds might be needed.


You must get into a lot of combat situations. That sounds exciting. Tell us all about your experiences.
 
2013-03-17 06:10:09 PM

cman: I believe lawmen are supposed to swear to uphold the laws and constitution of the state.

How exactly does one negotiate which conflicts with which?


Police get to use discretion all the time.  You see this whenever friends and family are let off the hook for whatever they did.
 
2013-03-17 06:10:10 PM

jaytkay: iheartscotch: Due to bears and mountain lions; Coloradans actually need firearms. Giant mountain kitties think people are pretty tasty.

Totally just protecting himself against bears and mountain lions:
[static.ow.ly image 286x358]

These guys, too. Bears and mountains lions threatened them on a daily basis:
[trueslant.com image 286x275]


This guy used fertilizer. Want to ban that too?
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-03-17 06:10:11 PM
Weld County Sheriff John Cooke won't enforce new state gun measures expected to be signed into law by Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper, arguing the proposed firearms restrictions give a "false sense of security."
I think Sheriff John Cook gives a "false sense of security".
 
2013-03-17 06:10:19 PM
I wonder if the people who think these gun restrictions would do anything constructive have ever been to a free country without gun ownership. I have- and many of them aren't safe. Oh, sure, they'll pull out Britain and try to say Britain is safe. No, it fracking isn't.
Sure, you're unlikely to get shot, but you're likely to be mugged and beaten.  And Britain is a gem compared to most places.
 
2013-03-17 06:10:41 PM

GoSurfing: cameroncrazy1984: iheartscotch: Funny thing; charging mountain lions are easier to hit if you have a 30 round magazine.

No they're not. Muzzle climb tends to mess with your aim.

You obviously know nothing about guns. You don't have to shoot all 30 rounds at <i> once</i>


Then why do you need 30 rounds to "defend against" charging mountain lions?
 
2013-03-17 06:11:16 PM

Happy Hours: Darth_Lukecash: The idea of the law is to limit the amount of ammunition. Thus outlawing the extenders makes sense to me.

Why you feel this is unenforcible is beyond me.

First of all, the law - at least as explained by one guy speaking in the Colorado legislature (sorry, I missed his name) - not only outlaws extenders, but it ALSO outlaws clips which could easily be extended.

Thus that 10-round magazine is also illegal under this law. Perhaps I didn't explain it very well.

I'm no expert on guns and he didn't say it explicitly but he hinted that as a result, the gun it fit in would still be legal but you would never be able to fire it because none of the magazines that fit it would be legal.

Secondly, I'm NOT the one who said this was unenforceable. In fact, if you re-read my post you should be able to detect a slight bias on my part against all things related to Weld County.

I do hope you realize though, that it is pretty much unenforceable until someone gets caught with an illegal magazine and by then it's probably going to be too late. Do any of the states bordering Colorado have a similar limit? Are they even considering it? It would take me about an hour to get to Wyoming and last time I crossed the state line into Wyoming I don't remember seeing any border guards.


The shiatty wording in the laguage of the bill includes "readily converted". It was demonstrated how easily the floorplate of a magazine could be removed and an extender added, thereby making just about every magazine illegal. Mags commonly have removable floorplates to facilitate cleaning. During discussion of the bill, co-author Rhonda Fields said that the question of extenders never came up. If their true goal was to limit the amount of ammunition a magazine can hold, they could have specifically called out extenders. This means that the bill authors are either devastatingly incompetent or actually trying to backdoor some extremely strict gun control. When informed that her bill was poorly written and managed to ban just about every magazine on the state, Fields said ""I'm not envisioning changing that because of a little plate that you can pull out," she said. "I'm hoping that people will just comply with the law."

I don't want to sound like a right-wing gun-clinging nutjob, but seriously folks- this is the sort of due diligence and care that lawmakers are giving an enumerated right? New York rushed so fast to ban everything in sight, they forgot to put in exclusion in for their own mounting-EOTech-optics-backwards police force.
 
2013-03-17 06:11:27 PM

Princess Ryans Knickers: You sound like a hippie! No respect for law and order! Back in my day we'd whip you whippersnappers and teach you respect!


All the hippies rolled up their anti-war, anti-gitmo, and anti-illegal-wiretapping banners and went home the day Obama was sworn in.
 
2013-03-17 06:11:36 PM

jaytkay: Silly Jesus: Nobody would ever need more than 15 rounds for protection?  Right?  I wonder why law enforcement was given an exemption then...oh, wait, this just in, sometimes more than 15 rounds might be needed.

You must get into a lot of combat situations. That sounds exciting. Tell us all about your experiences.


So only those who have needed a gun in the past should be allowed to have one?  You must get into a lot of grueling intellectual contests with 3rd graders.  That sounds exciting.  Tell us about your experiences.
 
2013-03-17 06:12:04 PM

Happy Hours: I'm actually tempted to go buy a gun


The NRA applauds your contribution to their masters' record profits.
 
2013-03-17 06:12:14 PM

jaytkay: Say you have 15-round magazine in a 9mm pistol. How do you "easily" convert that to a larger magazine?


You snap on an extender, which is readily available. Takes a few seconds.

See this video. Around 0:54 the news shows a guy who does it.
 
2013-03-17 06:13:17 PM

ChaoticLimbs: I have- and many of them aren't safe. Oh, sure, they'll pull out Britain and try to say Britain is safe. No, it fracking isn't.
Sure, you're unlikely to get shot, but you're likely to be mugged and beaten.  And Britain is a gem compared to most places.


Oh, really? I guess muggings and beatings don't occur in the US? At all?

I spent a year in England and you have zero idea what you're talking about.
 
2013-03-17 06:13:20 PM

cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: re you aware that some people don't SEEK treatment when mentally ill? Are you aware that these people will continue to exist in society, barring some sort of thought crime technology? Are you aware that with the removal of all guns, these mentally ill people can/will act out with other weapons?

Are you aware that there are ways to reduce such events? Jesus, it's like if it can't be 100% stopped you don't want to try.


Point being gun control legislation DOES NOT EQUAL mental health legislation. If it is nutjobs that are committing mass shootings...why don't we try to deal with NUTJOBS FIRST, not legislation that would effect completely sane, law abiding people?

Oh that's right, because it is logistically impossible. It's also impossible to achieve this without violating someone's inalienable rights.
 
2013-03-17 06:13:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: GoSurfing: re you aware that some people don't SEEK treatment when mentally ill? Are you aware that these people will continue to exist in society, barring some sort of thought crime technology? Are you aware that with the removal of all guns, these mentally ill people can/will act out with other weapons?

Are you aware that there are ways to reduce such events? Jesus, it's like if it can't be 100% stopped you don't want to try.


Ummm, you are making a pretty much identical assertion by going after the minority of gun owners that commit crimes.
 
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