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(Huffington Post)   Marine veteran with a concealed carry permit draws his weapon... and stops a crime. What? Were you expecting him to shoot himself in the leg instead?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 253
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2013-03-17 03:23:29 PM  
As I've noted before, any marine from my generation could have taken down the perp in an instant w/ a bare-handed attack.
 
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2013-03-17 03:23:39 PM  
I thought permits were the work of ZOG because the Chinese would know who had guns or something like that.
 
2013-03-17 03:43:07 PM  

gameshowhost: As I've noted before, any marine from my generation could have taken down the perp in an instant w/ a bare-handed attack.


So what?

Are you saying that the current crop of marines are a bunch of pussies?

Besides, why go to all that effort when you could much more easily just use a gun.
 
2013-03-17 03:54:11 PM  
Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?
 
2013-03-17 04:12:28 PM  

kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?


This!  I've no problem with trained responsible people carrying guns.  It's the dumbass who watched Die Hard and thought it was a training film that worry me.
 
2013-03-17 04:15:26 PM  
Nope, I was expecting him to be killed by police and Costco to close off that aisle for a bit.
 
2013-03-17 04:17:03 PM  
Were you expecting him to shoot himself in the leg instead?

Well, yes, actually. It is more likely after all.
 
2013-03-17 04:17:28 PM  

Ennuipoet: kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?

This!  I've no problem with trained responsible people carrying guns.  It's the dumbass who watched Die Hard and thought it was a training film that worry me.




You mean I'm not supposed to duct tape a gun to my back?
 
2013-03-17 04:17:59 PM  

kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?


They do keep citing Switzerland as a gun-toting paradise, which has mandatory military service.
 
2013-03-17 04:19:12 PM  
No no no! It was not supposed to happen like this!

I must block out this story and continue to be a zealot.
 
2013-03-17 04:20:21 PM  

kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?



Only military training?  No dice.
 
2013-03-17 04:20:49 PM  
Serve a tour of duty in our nation's service, check out with an honorable discharge and a clean mental bill of health, yeah, sure you can has concealed carry.  I don't know how comfortable I am with the guy thinking that he's naked without a gun in his possession, though.
 
2013-03-17 04:21:19 PM  
So wait a minute... he didn't shoot up a school or a theater or anything? Isn't it amazing what a good guy with a gun can do. Who have thunk!

Now if only there were a lot more of these good guys with guns, maybe -- just maybe the bad guys would pause wonder what they were about to get themselves into.  And one more thing, good guys with guns are much more likely to have some training than the bad guys.
 
2013-03-17 04:22:15 PM  

pueblonative: Serve a tour of duty in our nation's service, check out with an honorable discharge and a clean mental bill of health, yeah, sure you can has concealed carry.  I don't know how comfortable I am with the guy thinking that he's naked without a gun in his possession, though.



And if you are too old to serve in the military?
 
2013-03-17 04:22:17 PM  
pueblonative:  naked without a gun in his possession, though.

Beats the alternative. Especially if he's happy to see you.
 
2013-03-17 04:22:59 PM  
Do I need a CCP to carry an air gun loaded with pepper balls?

/serious question
//realizes laws will vary state to state
 
2013-03-17 04:23:06 PM  
I love the fact that when things actually happen the way that gun nuts say that they should happen naturally, all the time....

...it makes it makes the front page of Fark.
 
2013-03-17 04:23:09 PM  
Good on em. Points to the good guys.

But it could have gone another way. There's always that chance.
 
2013-03-17 04:23:14 PM  
good for him! im sure the lady was glad he was there
 
2013-03-17 04:23:19 PM  

Ennuipoet: kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?

This!  I've no problem with trained responsible people carrying guns.  It's the dumbass who watched Die Hard and thought it was a training film that worry me.



But they  DID hit a helicopter in mid air with a car.  That really did happen.
 
2013-03-17 04:24:16 PM  
Well, this is FARK.
 
2013-03-17 04:24:18 PM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?

They do keep citing Switzerland as a gun-toting paradise, which has mandatory military service.


Czech Republic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic#Carr yi ng_a_concealed_weapon

Widely available but heavily licensed.  You don't have demonstrate a "need" to carry for self defence but you do need to score higher on the theoretical and practical exams.

*sigh* - If only Canada was like that.
 
2013-03-17 04:24:39 PM  

gameshowhost: As I've noted before, any marine from my generation could have taken down the perp in an instant w/ a bare-handed attack.


Uphill, both ways, and in the snow as well, amirite?!
 
2013-03-17 04:25:04 PM  
I know a marine from just a few years ago who is half my size, and he could take me out quickly in a fight. Actually I would just surrender up front.
 
2013-03-17 04:25:28 PM  

halB: But they DID hit a helicopter in mid air with a car. That really did happen.


No it didn't.....not even in the fictional sense.  That movie never happened....just like The Godfather Part III never happened.

/The last one was decent, IMHO.
 
2013-03-17 04:25:31 PM  

kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?


The guy did 2 years, so I'm guessing that at best he was a Lance Corporal.  Odds on the Corps didn't teach him how to shoot a pistol safely.  An M-4 maybe, which most of the pantswetters on this page don't want him to have access to anyway.

Speaking of years of military training,  the M-249 was my primary weapon for years.  So you're saying you'd be good with me hauling it down the street, since I've had "years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline"?
 
2013-03-17 04:26:22 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: You mean I'm not supposed to duct tape a gun to my back?


Only if you don't have a hairy back, otherwise the tears will interfere with your ability to shoot.

halB: But they  DID hit a helicopter in mid air with a car.  That really did happen.


The only way to stop a bad guy with a helicopter is a good guy with a Crown Victoria.
 
2013-03-17 04:26:37 PM  
Blackmore told the Journal Sentinel that the woman said her attacker was an ex-boyfriend. The veteran said that the victim's eye had swollen shut from the beating, and that her nose looked broken.

Sounds like he may have beaten her to death if this guy hadn't stopped it right then. Good for him.
 
2013-03-17 04:26:48 PM  

Infernalist: I love the fact that when things actually happen the way that gun nuts say that they should happen naturally, all the time....

...it makes it makes the front page of Fark.


Meanwhile one of the side links on this story is a woman who shot and killed her husband and two kids this weekend...and it isn't going to make the front page because it happens too often
 
2013-03-17 04:28:49 PM  

ReluctantPaladin: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?

They do keep citing Switzerland as a gun-toting paradise, which has mandatory military service.

Czech Republic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_the_Czech_Republic#Carr yi ng_a_concealed_weapon

Widely available but heavily licensed.  You don't have demonstrate a "need" to carry for self defence but you do need to score higher on the theoretical and practical exams.

*sigh* - If only Canada was like that.


From that same article:

Since the Czech Republic is relatively a safe country, most people agree that they do not feel the need to permanently carry a gun for protection.

and

It is forbidden to carry any type of gun on demonstration. Police often provides searches for guns especially in case of parallel demonstrations of ideological adversaries, such as left-wing and right-wing extremists. The picture depicts police cordon defending in Brno against intrusions by right-wing extremists: only those who undergo search for guns are allowed further
 
2013-03-17 04:29:04 PM  
Isn't it amazing what over 300 million guns can do when they actually do something like this once or twice a YEAR?
 
2013-03-17 04:29:15 PM  

devildog123: kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?

The guy did 2 years, so I'm guessing that at best he was a Lance Corporal.  Odds on the Corps didn't teach him how to shoot a pistol safely.  An M-4 maybe, which most of the pantswetters on this page don't want him to have access to anyway.

Speaking of years of military training,  the M-249 was my primary weapon for years.  So you're saying you'd be good with me hauling it down the street, since I've had "years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline"?


I'd prefer you carry a concealed weapon, and hope you do.
 
2013-03-17 04:29:30 PM  
I've got no issue with this.

/stupid is as stupid does
 
2013-03-17 04:30:25 PM  
No, Subby, we were expecting mass murder. Because all gun owners are closet mass murderers.
 
2013-03-17 04:31:03 PM  

Nick Nostril: No, Subby, we were expecting mass murder. Because all gun owners are closet mass murderers.


Well, not all.
 
2013-03-17 04:33:15 PM  

kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?


Nope, I want the right to carry if I choose. I had a CC for a few years when I felt so inclined. No police were ever involved, and I amazingly I never brought a weapon out of concealment.

This must be shocking to some of you, but a few of us do have self control, even without military training.

/Worked with a 20 year Army Vet. That guy was nutz. He got fired from his first job after the service for punching a coworker.
//Got fired from his job here for throwing stuff and anger issues.
///I judge people on an individual basis, not what group they were a part of...
 
2013-03-17 04:34:56 PM  

BummerDuck: kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?

Nope, I want the right to carry if I choose. I had a CC for a few years when I felt so inclined. No police were ever involved, and I amazingly I never brought a weapon out of concealment.

This must be shocking to some of you, but a few of us do have self control, even without military training.

/Worked with a 20 year Army Vet. That guy was nutz. He got fired from his first job after the service for punching a coworker.
//Got fired from his job here for throwing stuff and anger issues.
///I judge people on an individual basis, not what group they were a part of...


Yes, a few of you.
 
2013-03-17 04:35:20 PM  
Before you feel good about the Huff  Po actually publishing this pro gun story look at the bottom of the page where they put a notorious vigilante photo gallery.  Aholes.
 
2013-03-17 04:35:35 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Isn't it amazing what over 300 million guns can do when they actually do something like this once or twice a YEAR?


Yeah, that's nothing when you compare it to the 300 million murders a year.
 
2013-03-17 04:39:55 PM  

bmihura: devildog123: kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?

The guy did 2 years, so I'm guessing that at best he was a Lance Corporal.  Odds on the Corps didn't teach him how to shoot a pistol safely.  An M-4 maybe, which most of the pantswetters on this page don't want him to have access to anyway.

Speaking of years of military training,  the M-249 was my primary weapon for years.  So you're saying you'd be good with me hauling it down the street, since I've had "years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline"?

I'd prefer you carry a concealed weapon, and hope you do.


I do, and I don't even need a permit for it (Alaska FTW).  I was just pointing out that most E-3s (especially ones who only do 2 years) don't get trained on how to shoot pistols.   Kmmontandon made it sound like this former Marine had some sort of special extra training that made him more capable of carrying a pistol safely.  I was pointing out that not only did he most likely not, but the weapon he WAS extensively trained on was one that he probably wouldn't want this guy carrying down the street.
 
2013-03-17 04:40:32 PM  

Brick-House: Now if only there were a lot more of these good guys with guns, maybe -- just maybe the bad guys would pause wonder what they were about to get themselves into.


Good point.

All they need is a check box on the conceal carry application:

"Are you a (choose only one)
A. Good Guy?
B. Bad Guy?"

Problem solved!!
 
2013-03-17 04:40:45 PM  

pueblonative: Serve a tour of duty in our nation's service, check out with an honorable discharge and a clean mental bill of health, yeah, sure you can has concealed carry.  I don't know how comfortable I am with the guy thinking that he's naked without a gun in his possession, though.


Thank you for that clarification.

I strongly support the 2nd Amendment, own guns, and am a concealed carry holder. But I will never, never, never support just "military service" as the standard for concealed carry. Six months and one day is all you need to qualify for veteran status--and there's nothing saying it has to be honorable or that you can't have been chaptered on a medical for being schizophrenic (which often presents in the early 20's) and could be off your meds. That is precisely why there HAS TO BE background checks and, in my opinion, psych evals for each concealed carry renewal. Because my ex-husband damn sure shouldn't be carrying a gun and while he can pass a background check, he damned sure can't pass a psych eval (it's what kept him out of the Navy and the police academy)
 
2013-03-17 04:41:11 PM  

kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?


Why stop there? Freedom of speech and the right to vote should only belong to those who bought and paid for those freedoms.
 
2013-03-17 04:42:45 PM  
HA !                         HA !
GOOD GUY WITH GUN
 
2013-03-17 04:43:39 PM  
An interesting article. It sounds like he did everything right.
Then, at the bottom, a slide show of notorious vigilantes.
What a twisted perspective by the Huffington Post!
 
2013-03-17 04:45:43 PM  
Stories like this are, like mass shootings, extremely rare. Even mundane violent crime is pretty rare - the statistical chance that any of us will be the victim of a violent crime is tiny, and still going down.
The idea that we have a huge problem here, that can be "solved" is a paranoid delusion - we live in one of the safest societies ever to exist.
Confiscating guns won't make you statistically any safer - neither will arming yourself. People should do what their own personal fears and neuroses prompt them to do - either way, they'll be dead in a few years.
Safety is, and always has been an illusion.
I own a gun because it is a tool for which I have rare and occasional uses. If I didn't have it, I would shrug my shoulders and use some other tool to do the same thing - I would feel no less "safe".
Neither it, nor anything else will make me "safe" - and if I was afraid of life, the world, and other people - I'd use it to blow my own head off. I just don't see how people can live in the kind of existential terror I see around me today.
 
2013-03-17 04:46:27 PM  

devildog123: bmihura: devildog123: kmmontandon: Right, so the standard for being allowed to conceal carry is ... years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline.

I'm all right with that.  How about you, NRA and other gun-nuts?

The guy did 2 years, so I'm guessing that at best he was a Lance Corporal.  Odds on the Corps didn't teach him how to shoot a pistol safely.  An M-4 maybe, which most of the pantswetters on this page don't want him to have access to anyway.

Speaking of years of military training,  the M-249 was my primary weapon for years.  So you're saying you'd be good with me hauling it down the street, since I've had "years of military training and experience to prove competency and discipline"?

I'd prefer you carry a concealed weapon, and hope you do.

I do, and I don't even need a permit for it (Alaska FTW).  I was just pointing out that most E-3s (especially ones who only do 2 years) don't get trained on how to shoot pistols.   Kmmontandon made it sound like this former Marine had some sort of special extra training that made him more capable of carrying a pistol safely.  I was pointing out that not only did he most likely not, but the weapon he WAS extensively trained on was one that he probably wouldn't want this guy carrying down the street.


True, but the logic is that BRM covers general weapons safety--which it does. Safe handling of a rifle/carbine doesn't change much for a pistol: don't point it at anything you do not actually intend to shoot/kill, index until you intend to squeeze the trigger, you point a rifle's business end "up and downrange" but point a pistol's business end at the ground (assuming you are in a single story structure), ensure that your shooting area is clear... basic gun safety is basic gun safety. That's why some states will issue a concealed carry license within a certain period of time after ETS without demanding you attend their state-ceertified gun safety course.
 
2013-03-17 04:48:33 PM  

jso2897: Confiscating guns won't make you statistically any safer - neither will arming yourself.


Gun owners and their families are the people most likely to die from gunshots.
 
2013-03-17 04:48:55 PM  

The_Sponge: pueblonative: Serve a tour of duty in our nation's service, check out with an honorable discharge and a clean mental bill of health, yeah, sure you can has concealed carry.  I don't know how comfortable I am with the guy thinking that he's naked without a gun in his possession, though.


And if you are too old to serve in the military?


Then you missed your chance.  Stuff like that happens when you get old.
 
2013-03-17 04:49:10 PM  
Incidents like this, where a legally-carrying person intervenes and saves someone is incredibly rare. Seriously, this is simply not a common event. It happens ALMOST as rarely as a bystander interrupting a shooter in the process of swapping mags.
 
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