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(BBC)   A most excellent documentary about the creation of Napster has premiered at SXSW, directed by Bill S. Preston, Esquire   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 43
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2013-03-17 01:38:27 PM
At the end of the 90s my town saw an explosion in the music scene. I would even venture to say that it's success was paralleled with the access to free music. All of our influences changed as more and different music was available and didn't involve driving into the city to pick up some rad new tape.

/csb
 
2013-03-17 01:44:58 PM
I will say one good thing about Napster. It got the music execs on the ball with legal media distribution centers.
 
2013-03-17 02:14:08 PM
The time I bought the most CDs was when Napster was still around. I'd try something out, enjoy it, and buy an album. Or, I'd hate it, and delete it.

After Napster, I decided the RIAA and the record companies didn't deserve any money from me.

/used CDs FTW... I'm still surprised the industry didn't find a way to make re-selling CDs illegal.
//and if you really want to support an artist signed to one of the RIAA-Supported labels that take all the money from CD sales, go see a concert.
 
2013-03-17 02:14:51 PM
I love how Alex Winter can't do a single interview without people asking about Bill and Ted 3.  He's been biatching about it lately, but I think it's a good thing.  More incentive to actually get the movie made.
 
2013-03-17 02:22:45 PM

FirstNationalBastard: and if you really want to support an artist signed to one of the RIAA-Supported labels that take all the money from CD sales, go see a concert.


I always hated this argument.  A lot of the bands I like aren't from my neck of the woods, and don't tour here that much.  I have to wait around years, and potentially never get a chance to see them in concert.  Nevertheless, if I'm enjoying their product, I owe them money.  If buying their music on iTunes is one way they'll accept payment, fine by me.  My obligation is fulfilled.  If they're unhappy with the deal they signed with the record company, that's between them and the company.
But if I was to steal a band's CD, then patiently wait around for them to swing by town, and they never came to town; I'd be ripping them off.

/ Yeah, of course I pirate music occasionally (less since the advent of iTunes and Spotify, but there's still some stuff unavailable there for some reason).  The difference is I'm not trying to rationalize it.
 
2013-03-17 02:41:12 PM
Not to threadjack, but does anyone know how Last.fm makes money? Is it just advertising, or do people pay money for using their API? Just doesn't seem like ads alone would bring them very much...
 
2013-03-17 03:18:08 PM

DeltaPunch: Not to threadjack, but does anyone know how Last.fm makes money? Is it just advertising, or do people pay money for using their API? Just doesn't seem like ads alone would bring them very much...


Selling email addresses?
 
2013-03-17 03:42:47 PM

serial_crusher: I love how Alex Winter can't do a single interview without people asking about Bill and Ted 3.  He's been biatching about it lately, but I think it's a good thing.  More incentive to actually get the movie made.


Actors hate typecasting?  Color me shocked.

Hell, even Keanu can't shake off people pointing to this movie and claiming that's why he can't act, while in the same breath they claim that he plays the same character all the time.  (Hint: Ted from B&T and Klaatu from tDtESS are two different characters.  Dumbasses.)
 
2013-03-17 04:00:28 PM

blue_2501: serial_crusher: I love how Alex Winter can't do a single interview without people asking about Bill and Ted 3.  He's been biatching about it lately, but I think it's a good thing.  More incentive to actually get the movie made.

Actors hate typecasting?  Color me shocked.

Hell, even Keanu can't shake off people pointing to this movie and claiming that's why he can't act, while in the same breath they claim that he plays the same character all the time.  (Hint: Ted from B&T and Klaatu from tDtESS are two different characters.  Dumbasses.)




www.aviarylounge.com
 
2013-03-17 04:03:59 PM
Napster: For people who found FTP a tad too complicated.
 
2013-03-17 04:08:58 PM

serial_crusher: I love how Alex Winter can't do a single interview without people asking about Bill and Ted 3.  He's been biatching about it lately, but I think it's a good thing.  More incentive to actually get the movie made.


If it were me, i'd be asking him about another 'Freaked' movie. Or something along those lines. How he got Brooke Shields and Morgan Fairchild involved is what makes him a closet genius.
 
2013-03-17 04:19:36 PM
Napster opened my eyes to all manner of things, music-related.

I learned that the RIAA was evil and as money-hungry as the worst gangsters.

I learned that not all good music came from approved radio lists.

I learned that some bands were just as bad as the RIAA.

And I learned that if I wanted a band to succeed, I had to support them with money.  So, I bought CDs of those bands that I enjoyed and I still do that today.

Of course, once I buy an album, I consider it my right to download digital copies from that point forward of that aforementioned CD, even if it should go missing or be destroyed.
 
2013-03-17 04:24:16 PM

Ishkur: Napster: For people who found FTP a tad too complicated.


And couldn't find the shareware bots on IRC, or couldn't find the open directories on every web server out there, or couldn't operate a uudecode command for usenet, or couldn't find the BBS's with content.
 
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2013-03-17 04:27:20 PM
Beer goooooood.
Napster baaaaaaaaad.
 
2013-03-17 04:35:33 PM
San Dimas High A/V Club Rules!
 
2013-03-17 05:01:16 PM

blue_2501: serial_crusher: I love how Alex Winter can't do a single interview without people asking about Bill and Ted 3.  He's been biatching about it lately, but I think it's a good thing.  More incentive to actually get the movie made.

Actors hate typecasting?  Color me shocked.


Well, he's also the director/producer of the thing.  He's not biatching about typecasting.  He's biatching about people asking "are we there yet?" repeatedly instead of just shutting up and waiting.
 
2013-03-17 05:05:30 PM
REAL Napster or "Wrecked by lawyers and then revived in name only to be the RIAA's b*tch" Napster?
 
2013-03-17 05:06:32 PM

serial_crusher: I love how Alex Winter can't do a single interview without people asking about Bill and Ted 3.  He's been biatching about it lately, but I think it's a good thing.  More incentive to actually get the movie made.


Forget B&T3! I wanna know when we can get a new season of The Idiot Box!
 
2013-03-17 05:11:38 PM

serial_crusher: FirstNationalBastard: and if you really want to support an artist signed to one of the RIAA-Supported labels that take all the money from CD sales, go see a concert.

I always hated this argument.  A lot of the bands I like aren't from my neck of the woods, and don't tour here that much.  I have to wait around years, and potentially never get a chance to see them in concert.  Nevertheless, if I'm enjoying their product, I owe them money.  If buying their music on iTunes is one way they'll accept payment, fine by me.  My obligation is fulfilled.  If they're unhappy with the deal they signed with the record company, that's between them and the company.
But if I was to steal a band's CD, then patiently wait around for them to swing by town, and they never came to town; I'd be ripping them off.

/ Yeah, of course I pirate music occasionally (less since the advent of iTunes and Spotify, but there's still some stuff unavailable there for some reason).  The difference is I'm not trying to rationalize it.


Agreed, you like music, you buy music.
 
2013-03-17 05:14:54 PM

TV's Vinnie: serial_crusher: I love how Alex Winter can't do a single interview without people asking about Bill and Ted 3.  He's been biatching about it lately, but I think it's a good thing.  More incentive to actually get the movie made.

Forget B&T3! I wanna know when we can get a new season of The Idiot Box!

Bill And Ted's Excellent Adventures

FTFY.

/ The cartoon or the live action show.  I'd settle for either.
// The same guy played Rufus on both.  I say that gives him enough B&T cred to take on the mantle in the new movie.
 
2013-03-17 05:18:43 PM

serial_crusher: TV's Vinnie: serial_crusher: I love how Alex Winter can't do a single interview without people asking about Bill and Ted 3.  He's been biatching about it lately, but I think it's a good thing.  More incentive to actually get the movie made.

Forget B&T3! I wanna know when we can get a new season of The Idiot Box! Bill And Ted's Excellent Adventures

FTFY.

/ The cartoon or the live action show.  I'd settle for either.
// The same guy played Rufus on both.  I say that gives him enough B&T cred to take on the mantle in the new movie.


Tell me you did not just say that "The same guy played Rufus" and not say George Carlin.
 
2013-03-17 05:18:43 PM
Sweet, I`ll torrent a copy...
 
2013-03-17 05:29:54 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: serial_crusher: TV's Vinnie: serial_crusher: I love how Alex Winter can't do a single interview without people asking about Bill and Ted 3.  He's been biatching about it lately, but I think it's a good thing.  More incentive to actually get the movie made.

Forget B&T3! I wanna know when we can get a new season of The Idiot Box! Bill And Ted's Excellent Adventures

FTFY.

/ The cartoon or the live action show.  I'd settle for either.
// The same guy played Rufus on both.  I say that gives him enough B&T cred to take on the mantle in the new movie.

Tell me you did not just say that "The same guy played Rufus" and not say George Carlin.


Rick Overton (Carlin actually voiced him in the first season of the animated series, but Overton took over in the second).

/ He really didn't do a very good job.
 
2013-03-17 05:34:14 PM

TV's Vinnie: serial_crusher: I love how Alex Winter can't do a single interview without people asking about Bill and Ted 3.  He's been biatching about it lately, but I think it's a good thing.  More incentive to actually get the movie made.

Forget B&T3! I wanna know when we can get a new season of The Idiot Box!


The Burrowing Bishop and Eddie the Flying Gimp From Outerspace had their moments.
 
2013-03-17 05:35:31 PM

blue_2501: Hell, even Keanu can't shake off people pointing to this movie and claiming that's why he can't act, while in the same breath they claim that he plays the same character all the time.  (Hint: Ted from B&T and Klaatu from tDtESS are two different characters.  Dumbasses.)


Hell, I would say we've seen four different acting jobs from Keanu.

1. Neo (where he gets the deadface from; this doubles for most of his dramatic roles, including Jon Harker and Klaatu)
2. Jack Traven (More animated, but still underwhelming; this is where Falco, Constantine, and Johnny Mnemonic fall into)
3. Kevin Lomax (Ridiculously overacting, with possibly a bad attempt at an accent)
4. Theodore Logan (The surfer/stoner, can overlap with #3)

Representative of the unwashed masses: Tell me you did not just say that "The same guy played Rufus" and not say George Carlin.


No, no, no...he's talking about the teevee series. Rick Overton played Rufus in both series.
 
2013-03-17 05:38:15 PM

IlGreven: No, no, no...he's talking about the teevee series. Rick Overton played Rufus in both series.


Speaking of...I just realized he's the "flapjacks" guy in Groundhog Day.

/Too early for flapjacks?
 
2013-03-17 05:40:05 PM

IlGreven: blue_2501: Hell, even Keanu can't shake off people pointing to this movie and claiming that's why he can't act, while in the same breath they claim that he plays the same character all the time.  (Hint: Ted from B&T and Klaatu from tDtESS are two different characters.  Dumbasses.)

Hell, I would say we've seen four different acting jobs from Keanu.

1. Neo (where he gets the deadface from; this doubles for most of his dramatic roles, including Jon Harker and Klaatu)
2. Jack Traven (More animated, but still underwhelming; this is where Falco, Constantine, and Johnny Mnemonic fall into)
3. Kevin Lomax (Ridiculously overacting, with possibly a bad attempt at an accent)
4. Theodore Logan (The surfer/stoner, can overlap with #3)

Representative of the unwashed masses: Tell me you did not just say that "The same guy played Rufus" and not say George Carlin.

No, no, no...he's talking about the teevee series. Rick Overton played Rufus in both series.


I guess they could bring George Carlin back for B&T 3, go ahead and have it double as a Weekend at Bernie's reboot.
 
2013-03-17 05:46:13 PM

Ishkur: Napster: For people who found FTP a tad too complicated.


Those were the days... waiting an hour to DL each song over dialup and then find out that the song you got was a renamed barbie girl so some idiot could do the 1:xx ratio thing.

/rickrolls before rickrolls
 
2013-03-17 06:07:58 PM
As someone who grew up in the 80's and beyond, I never understood how Napster was any different than:

a. recording a song from the radio to a cassette
b. bumming a cassette and dubbing it to a blank cassette
c. bumming a CD and burning it to a blank CD
d. picking and choosing songs that you or your girlfriend liked and making a mix tape/CD
e. buying used CDs from the shop.

I think once dual cassette decks and God forbid CD burners were easily available to the masses, the fear of the free music ship should have sailed.  The companies should have figured out how distribute media while still making money back then.

The only difference I can see about the things I listed above and Napster, were that the things I listed above were deemed legal.  The only difference was the larger accessibility with file sharing.

Also, there is no excuse for the old argument that (I didnt buy the CD because I only liked 1 song and the rest of it sucks) is BS now because of Itunes and the like where you can buy ala carte.

Face it, people didnt want to pay full price (or anything) for music back then or now.

FTP was doing it a few years before.  Napster just made it easy and efficient.
 
2013-03-17 06:12:38 PM

Infernalist: Napster opened my eyes to all manner of things, music-related.

I learned that the RIAA was evil and as money-hungry as the worst gangsters.

I learned that not all good music came from approved radio lists.

I learned that some bands were just as bad as the RIAA.

And I learned that if I wanted a band to succeed, I had to support them with money.  So, I bought CDs of those bands that I enjoyed and I still do that today.

Of course, once I buy an album, I consider it my right to download digital copies from that point forward of that aforementioned CD, even if it should go missing or be destroyed.




I try to learn how to play their music by watching youtube videos. Thanks Napster, for ruining USENET. But you made me get off my ass and learn how to play an instrument, so I'll give a click.
 
2013-03-17 06:15:26 PM

Igor Jakovsky: As someone who grew up in the 80's and beyond, I never understood how Napster was any different than:

b. bumming a cassette and dubbing it to a blank cassette
c. bumming a CD and burning it to a blank CD
d. picking and choosing songs that you or your girlfriend liked and making a mix tape/CD


fundamentally they're not, but the sneakernet made it a lot harder to get hold of stuff than just downloading it from anonymous masses on the Internet.  Somebody in your local circle had to buy it, which was a little better.

Also, there was a definite loss of quality as things moved from cassette to cassette, so it only worked so far.

CD burners weren't generally available until around the same time as Napster, and weren't inexpensive for a few years after that.  I remember in 10th grade I had one of the early generations CD-Rs and made good money copying CDs for $5 a pop.  I think I was paying $2 for each blank.  By 12th grade, Napster had put me out of business.

/ well, it was mostly laziness and apathy that put me out of business, but let's blame Napster.  It worked for Lars.
 
2013-03-17 06:17:18 PM

IlGreven: blue_2501: Hell, even Keanu can't shake off people pointing to this movie and claiming that's why he can't act, while in the same breath they claim that he plays the same character all the time.  (Hint: Ted from B&T and Klaatu from tDtESS are two different characters.  Dumbasses.)

Hell, I would say we've seen four different acting jobs from Keanu.

1. Neo (where he gets the deadface from; this doubles for most of his dramatic roles, including Jon Harker and Klaatu)
2. Jack Traven (More animated, but still underwhelming; this is where Falco, Constantine, and Johnny Mnemonic fall into)
3. Kevin Lomax (Ridiculously overacting, with possibly a bad attempt at an accent)
4. Theodore Logan (The surfer/stoner, can overlap with #3)


Meh, Neo is still different from Klaatu.  Klaatu was Keanu's deadface distilled in its purest form and freebased.  I consider his role in Constantine to be different than the other roles you mentioned.  He seemed to capture the "assholishness" of the character well enough while being a likable anti-hero.

I've always hated how this guy gets treated while people put character actors like Jack Nicolson up on a pedestal.  Hey, here's Jack angry.  Here's Jack angry again.  Here he is in another role being angry.  Jack is just good at playing angry roles.  Like Keanu is great at playing more subtle roles.  People just pay attention to the more emotional actors.
 
2013-03-17 06:39:30 PM

serial_crusher: Igor Jakovsky: As someone who grew up in the 80's and beyond, I never understood how Napster was any different than:

b. bumming a cassette and dubbing it to a blank cassette
c. bumming a CD and burning it to a blank CD
d. picking and choosing songs that you or your girlfriend liked and making a mix tape/CD

fundamentally they're not, but the sneakernet made it a lot harder to get hold of stuff than just downloading it from anonymous masses on the Internet.  Somebody in your local circle had to buy it, which was a little better.

Also, there was a definite loss of quality as things moved from cassette to cassette, so it only worked so far.

CD burners weren't generally available until around the same time as Napster, and weren't inexpensive for a few years after that.  I remember in 10th grade I had one of the early generations CD-Rs and made good money copying CDs for $5 a pop.  I think I was paying $2 for each blank.  By 12th grade, Napster had put me out of business.

/ well, it was mostly laziness and apathy that put me out of business, but let's blame Napster.  It worked for Lars.


I guess the difference is between what we were doing.  I was burning for myself or trading with friends.  I wasnt trying to make money off it.  The folks on the corners selling CDs would have liked your model until Napster.
 
2013-03-17 06:50:51 PM

serial_crusher: Igor Jakovsky: As someone who grew up in the 80's and beyond, I never understood how Napster was any different than:

b. bumming a cassette and dubbing it to a blank cassette
c. bumming a CD and burning it to a blank CD
d. picking and choosing songs that you or your girlfriend liked and making a mix tape/CD

fundamentally they're not, but the sneakernet made it a lot harder to get hold of stuff than just downloading it from anonymous masses on the Internet.  Somebody in your local circle had to buy it, which was a little better.

Also, there was a definite loss of quality as things moved from cassette to cassette, so it only worked so far.

CD burners weren't generally available until around the same time as Napster, and weren't inexpensive for a few years after that.  I remember in 10th grade I had one of the early generations CD-Rs and made good money copying CDs for $5 a pop.  I think I was paying $2 for each blank.  By 12th grade, Napster had put me out of business.

/ well, it was mostly laziness and apathy that put me out of business, but let's blame Napster.  It worked for Lars.




Noob.

Where is your list of C-64 games?
 
2013-03-17 06:52:38 PM

blue_2501: IlGreven: blue_2501: Hell, even Keanu can't shake off people pointing to this movie and claiming that's why he can't act, while in the same breath they claim that he plays the same character all the time.  (Hint: Ted from B&T and Klaatu from tDtESS are two different characters.  Dumbasses.)

Hell, I would say we've seen four different acting jobs from Keanu.

1. Neo (where he gets the deadface from; this doubles for most of his dramatic roles, including Jon Harker and Klaatu)
2. Jack Traven (More animated, but still underwhelming; this is where Falco, Constantine, and Johnny Mnemonic fall into)
3. Kevin Lomax (Ridiculously overacting, with possibly a bad attempt at an accent)
4. Theodore Logan (The surfer/stoner, can overlap with #3)

Meh, Neo is still different from Klaatu.  Klaatu was Keanu's deadface distilled in its purest form and freebased.  I consider his role in Constantine to be different than the other roles you mentioned.  He seemed to capture the "assholishness" of the character well enough while being a likable anti-hero.

I've always hated how this guy gets treated while people put character actors like Jack Nicolson up on a pedestal.  Hey, here's Jack angry.  Here's Jack angry again.  Here he is in another role being angry.  Jack is just good at playing angry roles.  Like Keanu is great at playing more subtle roles.  People just pay attention to the more emotional actors.


Yeah, fark you, William Shakespeare.
 
2013-03-17 07:05:23 PM
 In a previous comment it was mentioned that the radio playlists were not thje last word. How true that is! Something that you could get that you could not buy in the stores was long disco  versions, foreign language versions, and alternate mix versions of the released cuts. Some of those are most interesting and sometimes worlds better. I have not purchased a CD since the Napster server was switched on and that is a permanent condition.
 The RIAA and their bretheren can all go bark at the moon.
 
2013-03-17 07:14:30 PM

EyeForgot: Ishkur: Napster: For people who found FTP a tad too complicated.

Those were the days... waiting an hour to DL each song over dialup and then find out that the song you got was a renamed barbie girl so some idiot could do the 1:xx ratio thing.

/rickrolls before rickrolls


Or worse, the jackasses who uploaded a song that was protected, so about 30 seconds in your eardrums were decimated by that godawful screeching sound.

Infernalist: I learned that some bands were just as bad as the RIAA.


It's funny; the demise of Napster pinpoints the exact second I stopped listening to anything new by Metallica, or as my best friend calls them now, 'Ica.  They are now as metal as Green Day is punk.  Monuments of selling out, they are.
 
2013-03-17 07:18:21 PM

FriarReb98: EyeForgot: Ishkur: Napster: For people who found FTP a tad too complicated.

Those were the days... waiting an hour to DL each song over dialup and then find out that the song you got was a renamed barbie girl so some idiot could do the 1:xx ratio thing.

/rickrolls before rickrolls

Or worse, the jackasses who uploaded a song that was protected, so about 30 seconds in your eardrums were decimated by that godawful screeching sound.

Infernalist: I learned that some bands were just as bad as the RIAA.

It's funny; the demise of Napster pinpoints the exact second I stopped listening to anything new by Metallica, or as my best friend calls them now, 'Ica.  They are now as metal as Green Day is punk.  Monuments of selling out, they are.


My CDs are spread all over so once in a while I run into a Metallica one. Right in the trash.
 
2013-03-17 07:40:27 PM

EyeForgot: Ishkur: Napster: For people who found FTP a tad too complicated.

Those were the days... waiting an hour to DL each song over dialup and then find out that the song you got was a renamed barbie girl so some idiot could do the 1:xx ratio thing.

/rickrolls before rickrolls


I remember when the RIAA lawsuits over Napster first started.  I wondered why those rich record companies never just blanketed Napster with mislabelled songs -- search for Metallica and end up downloading a bunch of jazz songs.  If they had made a concentrated effort to seed Napster with tens of thousands of bad downloads, they could have sabotaged it without the bad press or lawyer fees.
 
2013-03-17 07:56:45 PM

Brokenseas: I remember when the RIAA lawsuits over Napster first started. I wondered why those rich record companies never just blanketed Napster with mislabelled songs -- search for Metallica and end up downloading a bunch of jazz songs. If they had made a concentrated effort to seed Napster with tens of thousands of bad downloads, they could have sabotaged it without the bad press or lawyer fees.


Madonna attempted to do that once. When one of her singles was released there was an mp3 floating around of the exact same length and size and filename only instead of music it was her voice acapella going "WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING?" over and over again. It didn't matter -- the Internet always sees such attempts to control its narrative as undesirable and routes around it (cf. Barbara Steisand Effect).
 
2013-03-17 08:27:05 PM

Ishkur: Brokenseas: I remember when the RIAA lawsuits over Napster first started. I wondered why those rich record companies never just blanketed Napster with mislabelled songs -- search for Metallica and end up downloading a bunch of jazz songs. If they had made a concentrated effort to seed Napster with tens of thousands of bad downloads, they could have sabotaged it without the bad press or lawyer fees.

Madonna attempted to do that once. When one of her singles was released there was an mp3 floating around of the exact same length and size and filename only instead of music it was her voice acapella going "WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING?" over and over again. It didn't matter -- the Internet always sees such attempts to control its narrative as undesirable and routes around it (cf. Barbara Steisand Effect).


That actually happened a lot during that time.  I think the record companies were actively trying to poison the pool.
 
2013-03-17 10:26:18 PM
"It's going to be distributed, and eventually illegally put onto YouTube by kids."

"So, are you going to try and stop them?"

"Who, ME?"

http://youtu.be/kL0aIsOgiIM  (SXSW red carpet interview)


It's a really good documentary
 
2013-03-18 12:56:32 PM

blue_2501: Ishkur: Brokenseas: I remember when the RIAA lawsuits over Napster first started. I wondered why those rich record companies never just blanketed Napster with mislabelled songs -- search for Metallica and end up downloading a bunch of jazz songs. If they had made a concentrated effort to seed Napster with tens of thousands of bad downloads, they could have sabotaged it without the bad press or lawyer fees.

Madonna attempted to do that once. When one of her singles was released there was an mp3 floating around of the exact same length and size and filename only instead of music it was her voice acapella going "WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING?" over and over again. It didn't matter -- the Internet always sees such attempts to control its narrative as undesirable and routes around it (cf. Barbara Steisand Effect).

That actually happened a lot during that time.  I think the record companies were actively trying to poison the pool.


I really want that MP3. I want to remix it and make it famous and then not give madonna any royalties and say it was a voice double copying it.

WARB WARB WARB WARB WARB WARB WARB WARB WARB WARB "WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU`RE DOING?" drop!
 
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