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2013-03-17 11:00:32 AM  
4 votes:
"The technology to bring humans from Mars back to Earth simply does not exist yet."

...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Also, I'd like to volunteer!  I hate this planet and everyone on it.
2013-03-17 04:43:57 PM  
3 votes:
I suspect this guy is just a scam artist hunting publicity and I give him about zero chance of actually getting anything done on this.

Musk, on the other hand seems to have some pretty specific goals and time frames in mind and his ideas may actually work ... and he's proven he can do the stuff he talks about -- and damn well.  And there would actually be a POINT to his Martian colony.  With a meaningful role in an expanded interplanetary activity architecture.

And nobody has to or can tell him not to do it or to do it a different way (or scatter his contracts among influential Congressmen's districts)

Call him a space nutter if you want, but he's actually DOING IT.
2013-03-17 03:28:09 PM  
3 votes:

WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.


Fuel could be shipped or manufactured locally, what we lack is the socioeconomic WILL.  We went to the moon to beat the Russians, we'd probably go to Mars and back if we hadn't found a new enemy in ourselves.  Ever since Laffer the new cold war has been the Aristocracy against the middle class.  We can't afford to build a rocket ship and start a lunar colony because the noise might upset the local nobility and because the taxes involved are *far* to onerous and the idea of government jobs that might not go to your state are something to be fought tooth-and-nail.
2013-03-17 08:32:28 PM  
2 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-03-17 05:23:30 PM  
2 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.


Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.
2013-03-17 03:20:01 PM  
2 votes:

WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.

When I worked with NASA a few years back, before the mars mission was canned.. that was one of the foremost plans.  You send two rockets to mars: One big one filled with fuel, food, materials, and supplies.  No life support needed, you are just launching dead weight.  The second is smaller (and safer) containing just the crew, the lander/return vessel, and the life support needed for the trip.  You send the supplies ahead of time (to make sure they get there ok), and launch the crew right after... they have all the gear there and waiting for them...

/I was in life support research
//kinda CSB
2013-03-17 02:57:53 PM  
2 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.

neither is Jupiter
maybe we should 3D print a planet


Why settle for a planet?

progoth.com
2013-03-17 02:46:13 PM  
2 votes:
clothesonfilm.com

Yeah, this movie needs a sequel.
2013-03-17 02:37:09 PM  
2 votes:

xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.


Cold as hell. Then there's all the giant glam rock spiders.
2013-03-17 01:41:51 PM  
2 votes:
www.openlettersmonthly.com
Dowwwarghhhhhh! HA AAAAGHHH! Glarrrrrght! BLAGGGGHHHH! DOWAGHR!!
2013-03-17 07:53:11 PM  
1 votes:

Gawdzila: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, how much nitrogen is on Mar?

There's not much of ANYTHING in the Martian atmosphere.  If you're talking about making a breathable atmosphere, though, nitrogen isn't strictly necessary.  It just acts as a non-reactive "filler" gas that keeps the oxygen concentration from being toxic.



Maybe people don't need nitrogen, but plants do
2013-03-17 07:24:07 PM  
1 votes:
Honest Bender Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

I'm reminded of a quote from Alpha Centauri:
I have often been asked: if we have traveled between the stars, why can we not launch the simplest of orbital probes? These fools fail to understand the difficulty of finding the appropriate materials on this Planet, of developing adequate power supplies, and creating the infrastructure necessary to support such an effort. In short, we have struggled under the limitations of a colonial society on a virgin planet. Until now.
- Col. Corazon Santiago, "Planet: A Survivalist's Guide"
2013-03-17 07:19:58 PM  
1 votes:
I don't think there will be a shortage of applicants. It's a sure way to fame and glory, and for all the right reasons.
2013-03-17 06:52:45 PM  
1 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: Humanity needs a more realistic "dream." Let's fix some shiat here. You know, starving kids and all. Ridiculous fantasy about some kind of interplanetary Jamestown is fricking retarded.


I hate this kind of complaint and I think it is wholly misguided and illogical.  It assumes that, just because there are some people who are dreaming of ways to get to Mars, that they're necessarily decreasing the attention we give to other concerns.  There are PLENTY of people who are trying to fix the starving kids problem, and their inability to fix it has nothing to do with NASA.  The people who are interested in rocket science aren't suddenly going to turn their attention to fixing economic woes just because you de-fund the space program, all it does is waste their talents.  You may not consider space exploration practical or necessary, but the fact of the matter is that it employs a lot of extremely intelligent people and they often invent a lot of extremely useful new technologies as by-products.
2013-03-17 06:44:34 PM  
1 votes:

Gawdzila: studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.

If only we had a way to produce massive amounts of carbon dioxide to promote a greenhouse effect... and then maybe some kind of device that converts CO2 into oxygen?  I hope some genius comes up with those things!


God did.
2013-03-17 06:22:45 PM  
1 votes:

grinding_journalist: WeenerGord: What fuel?

1. Extract oxygen and hydrogen from water ice through electrolysis
2. Condense and liquefy
3. Rocket fuel

/yes, I know it's not that simple
//still, the resources are there, it's just nowhere near cost effective or safe enough




I've been biatching about this for years.

Humanity needs a more realistic "dream." Let's fix some shiat here. You know, starving kids and all. Ridiculous fantasy about some kind of interplanetary Jamestown is fricking retarded.
2013-03-17 06:03:56 PM  
1 votes:
static02.mediaite.com

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.
2013-03-17 05:20:12 PM  
1 votes:
grinding_journalist: WeenerGord: What fuel?

1. Extract oxygen and hydrogen from water ice through electrolysis
2. Condense and liquefy
3. Rocket fuel


 "Musk says that his fuel of choice for a Mars mission would be methane; it's cheap, easy to deal with and unlike hydrogen, the other fuel he considered, it's not prone to "invisible high-temperature fires." Moreover, methane can be produced on the surface of Mars as a byproduct of producing breathable oxygen from the planet's frozen carbon dioxide and water ice."
2013-03-17 05:16:33 PM  
1 votes:
The real payoff will come when they secure the prothean data archives on mars--imagine the money to be made just selling one technological break-through per year!

/hopefully we get an early start on the crucible project!
2013-03-17 04:41:00 PM  
1 votes:

DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?


I looks like a scene from the first few minutes of Red Planet...when the character 'Dr Chantilas' dies.
2013-03-17 04:40:53 PM  
1 votes:

DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?


YES.

media.tumblr.com

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic
2013-03-17 04:36:11 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.



Maybe they have.  The pure scientists types.  If there was anything on the Moon to exploit efficiently, we'd already be up there and the moon would be a quarter to half of its size now.  No one went to the moon for the science, they went for the money.
2013-03-17 04:15:37 PM  
1 votes:

Parallax: What are the odds that every single person who's with you up there is someone you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life with?

Uh uh.  No way.  There's always an asshole.


Sometime you need a mirror to see them.
2013-03-17 04:08:48 PM  
1 votes:

way south: Pick: Does Mars have a 2nd Amendment in it's Constituition?

What are the tax laws on Mars?

Is Mars a democracy or a dictatorship?

How much are property taxes on Mars?

Is the food good and inexpensive there?

These questions and many more need to be answered before I commit.

I'd imagine a mars colony would have the rules of whichever nation sent it.
If it was put there by a corporation or some private venture, things might get interesting.
What if they enact rules that offend people on earth?
Would they be respected as a nation?
Would earth based governments put pressure on their mother corporations to affect mars policies?

If this thing runs by the current rules, I'd imagine something horribly PC.
No guns, no sex, no alcohol, no blackjack, no private enterprise or economy to speak of, leaders appointed by earth, rulings from offworld judges and juries, etc...
It would be interesting to see what they actually do with independence, if it ever comes to that.


And if mars folks "misbehave", who exactly from earth is going to come after them?  It seems to me that what happens on mars stays on mars.  On one way voyages such as this, quite literally.
2013-03-17 03:57:57 PM  
1 votes:
Reminded me of:

kinoprostir.com

"How'd you like to be the first person to die on Mars?"
2013-03-17 03:51:58 PM  
1 votes:
"The town's empty, but we found native life in the hills, sir. Dark people. Yellow eyes. Martians. Very friendly. We talked a bit, not much. They learn English fast. I'm sure our relations will be most friendly with them, sir."
2013-03-17 03:50:45 PM  
1 votes:
I saw a ww2 movie once where allied soldiers had to blow up a wire barricade on a beach while under heavy fire.One soldier would drag a tube shaped explosive toward the obstacle until they got shot then another soldier would run up and continue carrying the device toward the obstacle until THEY got killed.On this went untill the goal was accomplished.

 Prepare the steps,materials,technology et al for constructing a sustainable habitation module on Mars THEN seek out volunteers willing to go on suicide missions ,one after another to accomplish the goal. In two hundred years when Mars has a few dozen dome cities and a pop. around 500 million there will be a national park built around the original module with an oblisk carved of native stone with the names of the sacrificial astronaut/settlers.
I could accept such a fate.
2013-03-17 03:38:11 PM  
1 votes:
The case for Mars.  An interesting read, and outlines pretty well why Mars is a better choice for a viable colony than the Moon.

And if they had asked for volunteers when I was fresh out of high school, I would have signed up without a second thought.  Now I don't think my wife would be particularly pleased.
2013-03-17 03:31:08 PM  
1 votes:

PhDemented: WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.
When I worked with NASA a few years back, before the mars mission was canned.. that was one of the foremost plans.  You send two rockets to mars: One big one filled with fuel, food, materials, and supplies.  No life support needed, you are just launching dead weight.  The second is smaller (and safer) containing just the crew, the lander/return vessel, and the life support needed for the trip.  You send the supplies ahead of time (to make sure they get there ok), and launch the crew right after... they have all the gear there and waiting for them...

/I was in life support research
//kinda CSB


Cool, and sad.

The "canceled" part especially sad.
2013-03-17 03:27:18 PM  
1 votes:

The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight: Just don't drink the water.


What red Martian people might look like
www.cksfilmes.com /Suck, Virginia
2013-03-17 03:26:22 PM  
1 votes:
Ship all the supplies first.

Then the people.

The Earth orbit to Mars orbit to Earth orbit ship can be refuel led and reused.
You only(!!!) have to soft land a Mars surface to Mars orbit ship to allow
The crew to return.
Lower gravity, thinner atmosphere... You're already at 120,000 feet at takeoff!

At least on Mars an air compressor and a greenhouse gets you a breathable atmosphere!
2013-03-17 03:20:27 PM  
1 votes:
The never-to-return explorers will require eight years of training

They'll get a bunch of volunteers who decide to unvolunteer on day #3649.  But it's a noble Rush Limbaugh cause: The Interplanetary Media Group is a for-profit company which can secure investments, and manages the broadcasting rights of the training and launch of the astronauts, and their residence on Mars.
2013-03-17 03:16:51 PM  
1 votes:
You're probably going to die long before you even get there.
2013-03-17 03:15:43 PM  
1 votes:

Parallax: What are the odds that every single person who's with you up there is someone you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life with?

Uh uh.  No way.  There's always an asshole.


doesn't matter if it's a subway or a camping trip - there's always one

When things are going smoothly, I'm always concerned that it's me.

Too bad sucka's hahahaha
2013-03-17 03:10:04 PM  
1 votes:
Im going to sign up, go, then murder everyone else as soon as I get there. I'll write a tale of how I am the one true god and savior of mars and leave my picture and some silly laws. yeah, thats the ticket.
2013-03-17 03:07:45 PM  
1 votes:
Get your ashes to Mars.
2013-03-17 03:07:20 PM  
1 votes:

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.



Because the huge alien base on the far side of the moon will not let us land there again, duh
2013-03-17 02:59:16 PM  
1 votes:

mat catastrophe: I speak for all sane humans when I say that we should send all the libertarians.

Give them a whole planet, I say. Let them have their fantasy land there.


I say the same about the Space Nutters. I just want to make sure there's a reliable video link so I can watch them scream and cry and beg to come back to this "mud ball". I say we don't let them.
2013-03-17 02:56:40 PM  
1 votes:
I speak for all sane humans when I say that we should send all the libertarians.

Give them a whole planet, I say. Let them have their fantasy land there.
2013-03-17 02:56:21 PM  
1 votes:
Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.
2013-03-17 02:55:08 PM  
1 votes:
Paging Elon Musk to the thread.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 02:51:22 PM  
1 votes:
You go for life and I'll go there too
We'll grow vegitables in our own poo
Distil our urine in a plastic shack
We're all dudes so don't turn your back
2013-03-17 02:47:12 PM  
1 votes:
Well I better get a lot of hot ass before I go then.  Should be the best pickup line ever!

/Then back out at the last minute and move to the south pacific.
2013-03-17 02:41:42 PM  
1 votes:
why are people so keen to go to mars?  its a huge leap in technology and understanding not just in getting there but in building a sustainable habitat.  couldnt more things be learned by building something on the moon first?  that experience would be invaluable in a subsequent mars colony.
2013-03-17 02:37:12 PM  
1 votes:

Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...


Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?
 
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