WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does. Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective? Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?Maybe ship the fuel?If you can land people there, why not land gas can.
TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.
Jon iz teh kewl: xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.neither is Jupitermaybe we should 3D print a planet
xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.
Gawdzila: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, how much nitrogen is on Mar?There's not much of ANYTHING in the Martian atmosphere. If you're talking about making a breathable atmosphere, though, nitrogen isn't strictly necessary. It just acts as a non-reactive "filler" gas that keeps the oxygen concentration from being toxic.
I have often been asked: if we have traveled between the stars, why can we not launch the simplest of orbital probes? These fools fail to understand the difficulty of finding the appropriate materials on this Planet, of developing adequate power supplies, and creating the infrastructure necessary to support such an effort. In short, we have struggled under the limitations of a colonial society on a virgin planet. Until now.- Col. Corazon Santiago, "Planet: A Survivalist's Guide"
StoPPeRmobile: Humanity needs a more realistic "dream." Let's fix some shiat here. You know, starving kids and all. Ridiculous fantasy about some kind of interplanetary Jamestown is fricking retarded.
Gawdzila: studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it./cold as hell, etc.If only we had a way to produce massive amounts of carbon dioxide to promote a greenhouse effect... and then maybe some kind of device that converts CO2 into oxygen? I hope some genius comes up with those things!
grinding_journalist: WeenerGord: What fuel?1. Extract oxygen and hydrogen from water ice through electrolysis2. Condense and liquefy3. Rocket fuel/yes, I know it's not that simple//still, the resources are there, it's just nowhere near cost effective or safe enough
DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from? Is this a movie I should have seen by now?
Parallax: What are the odds that every single person who's with you up there is someone you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life with?Uh uh. No way. There's always an asshole.
way south: Pick: Does Mars have a 2nd Amendment in it's Constituition?What are the tax laws on Mars?Is Mars a democracy or a dictatorship?How much are property taxes on Mars?Is the food good and inexpensive there?These questions and many more need to be answered before I commit.I'd imagine a mars colony would have the rules of whichever nation sent it.If it was put there by a corporation or some private venture, things might get interesting.What if they enact rules that offend people on earth?Would they be respected as a nation?Would earth based governments put pressure on their mother corporations to affect mars policies?If this thing runs by the current rules, I'd imagine something horribly PC.No guns, no sex, no alcohol, no blackjack, no private enterprise or economy to speak of, leaders appointed by earth, rulings from offworld judges and juries, etc...It would be interesting to see what they actually do with independence, if it ever comes to that.
PhDemented: WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does. Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective? Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?Maybe ship the fuel?If you can land people there, why not land gas can.When I worked with NASA a few years back, before the mars mission was canned.. that was one of the foremost plans. You send two rockets to mars: One big one filled with fuel, food, materials, and supplies. No life support needed, you are just launching dead weight. The second is smaller (and safer) containing just the crew, the lander/return vessel, and the life support needed for the trip. You send the supplies ahead of time (to make sure they get there ok), and launch the crew right after... they have all the gear there and waiting for them.../I was in life support research//kinda CSB
The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight: Just don't drink the water.
mat catastrophe: I speak for all sane humans when I say that we should send all the libertarians.Give them a whole planet, I say. Let them have their fantasy land there.
Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does. Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective? Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...
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