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2013-03-17 11:00:32 AM
"The technology to bring humans from Mars back to Earth simply does not exist yet."

...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Also, I'd like to volunteer!  I hate this planet and everyone on it.
 
2013-03-17 11:04:03 AM
I'd rather die on my feetMars than live on my knees Earth.
 
2013-03-17 11:14:25 AM
I am so applying to this.  I probably will still be too fat when they get to the actual selection process, but I'll apply.
 
2013-03-17 12:45:44 PM

Honest Bender: Also, I'd like to volunteer! I hate this planet and everyone on it.


Lansdorp said he's looking for people who are utterly dependable, good in groups and "at their best when things are at their worst."

You may have some problems in the screening process.
 
2013-03-17 01:22:22 PM
Die on top of (Veronica) Mars after crazy, ball-slapping sex? Sign me up.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 01:23:09 PM
The story of my ideal Mars mission was told by Fredric Brown in his short story "Expedition."
 
2013-03-17 01:24:19 PM
that's a lot of time to change your mind.
 
2013-03-17 01:40:18 PM
They leave in 2022.  It takes x years to get to mars, then let's say they guarantee they will keep these people alive for ten years on Mars.  What are the odds we figure out a way to get them back by then?
 
2013-03-17 01:41:51 PM
www.openlettersmonthly.com
Dowwwarghhhhhh! HA AAAAGHHH! Glarrrrrght! BLAGGGGHHHH! DOWAGHR!!
 
2013-03-17 01:50:17 PM
Mars is no place to raise your kids.
 
2013-03-17 01:58:51 PM

xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.


neither is Jupiter
maybe we should 3D print a planet
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 02:28:45 PM
If youre gonna die, die with your suit on...
 
2013-03-17 02:34:04 PM
Me Me Me Me! Oh Pick MEEEEE!

It's my farking destiny.
 
2013-03-17 02:34:11 PM
But Fu Manchu already promised me a trip.

Hi-Ho!
 
2013-03-17 02:34:18 PM
chuckjones.com
 
2013-03-17 02:37:09 PM

xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.


Cold as hell. Then there's all the giant glam rock spiders.
 
2013-03-17 02:37:12 PM

Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...


Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 02:38:37 PM
jack21221:

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

No silly.  You have to issue a contract to a martian aerospace firm to build that.
 
2013-03-17 02:39:42 PM
Just don't drink the water.
 
2013-03-17 02:40:18 PM
Never make it there. And even if you did miraculously manage to somehow, your brain would be so destroyed by radiation you'd just sit there staring at the sun and drooling until you starved to death.
 
2013-03-17 02:40:29 PM

Honest Bender: "The technology to bring humans from Mars back to Earth simply does not exist yet."

...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Also, I'd like to volunteer!  I hate this planet and everyone on it.


Maybe you could be the doorway.

Or we could send some anti-space nutter.
 
2013-03-17 02:41:16 PM

jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?


No, he meant to say it wasn't cost effective. As in, not cost effective to ship building materials, fuel condensers, construction equipment, technical facilities, spare parts, raw materials, etc. to Mars with the intent of shipping a dozen people back here, in a mission that has a very high chance of failure, given the lack of earth-side support, and the huge number of "unknown unknowns" involved in launching an interplanetary mission from another planet.

/and yes, Mars has fuel for us
 
2013-03-17 02:41:28 PM
I actually want to do this. Fark this planet.
 
2013-03-17 02:41:39 PM
Only way I'd do this would be if there was an over abundance of hot chicks, drugs, booze, and farking good bbq every day.
 
2013-03-17 02:41:42 PM
why are people so keen to go to mars?  its a huge leap in technology and understanding not just in getting there but in building a sustainable habitat.  couldnt more things be learned by building something on the moon first?  that experience would be invaluable in a subsequent mars colony.
 
2013-03-17 02:43:32 PM

jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?


Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.
 
2013-03-17 02:43:50 PM
One way trips to Mars,   Carnival Cruise looks interested though repeat business might be a problem, again.
 
2013-03-17 02:45:00 PM
Death by chocolate bar overdose?  Difficult, but I can give it a go.
 
2013-03-17 02:45:48 PM

bim1154: Only way I'd do this would be if there was an over abundance of hot chicks, drugs, booze, and farking good bbq every day.


Just so long as no one on board is trying to get 72 virgins....
 
2013-03-17 02:46:13 PM
clothesonfilm.com

Yeah, this movie needs a sequel.
 
2013-03-17 02:47:12 PM
Well I better get a lot of hot ass before I go then.  Should be the best pickup line ever!

/Then back out at the last minute and move to the south pacific.
 
2013-03-17 02:49:08 PM
Can I bring my dogs?
 
2013-03-17 02:49:38 PM

theguyyousaw: bim1154: Only way I'd do this would be if there was an over abundance of hot chicks, drugs, booze, and farking good bbq every day.

Just so long as no one on board is trying to get 72 virgins....


Virgins are over rated.  Too much crying and whining.  I want experience.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 02:51:22 PM
You go for life and I'll go there too
We'll grow vegitables in our own poo
Distil our urine in a plastic shack
We're all dudes so don't turn your back
 
2013-03-17 02:51:47 PM

SurelyShirley: Can I bring my dogs?


Only if they can blend in with the natives.

www.rankopedia.com
 
2013-03-17 02:53:33 PM
I might do it, just one question. does it include internet?


//We have to wait to 2022?
 
2013-03-17 02:53:54 PM
See you at the party, Richter!
 
2013-03-17 02:55:04 PM

thisiszombocom: its a huge leap in technology and understanding not just in getting there but in building a sustainable habitat.


Yeah, what are they going to eat on Mars? Is the air breathable? Is there really drinkable water?

grinding_journalist: Mars has fuel for us


What fuel?
 
2013-03-17 02:55:08 PM
Paging Elon Musk to the thread.
 
2013-03-17 02:56:21 PM
Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.
 
2013-03-17 02:56:40 PM
I speak for all sane humans when I say that we should send all the libertarians.

Give them a whole planet, I say. Let them have their fantasy land there.
 
2013-03-17 02:57:53 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.

neither is Jupiter
maybe we should 3D print a planet


Why settle for a planet?

progoth.com
 
2013-03-17 02:58:36 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-17 02:59:16 PM

mat catastrophe: I speak for all sane humans when I say that we should send all the libertarians.

Give them a whole planet, I say. Let them have their fantasy land there.


I say the same about the Space Nutters. I just want to make sure there's a reliable video link so I can watch them scream and cry and beg to come back to this "mud ball". I say we don't let them.
 
2013-03-17 02:59:48 PM
Thank you, MagSeven!

Kuato lives!
 
2013-03-17 03:00:01 PM
I'd apply.
 
2013-03-17 03:00:37 PM
I'll do it.
 
m00
2013-03-17 03:02:14 PM
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
m00
2013-03-17 03:03:25 PM
seriously though, I'd go.
 
2013-03-17 03:06:31 PM
Does Mars have a 2nd Amendment in it's Constituition?

What are the tax laws on Mars?

Is Mars a democracy or a dictatorship?

How much are property taxes on Mars?

Is the food good and inexpensive there?

These questions and many more need to be answered before I commit.
 
2013-03-17 03:07:20 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.



Because the huge alien base on the far side of the moon will not let us land there again, duh
 
2013-03-17 03:07:45 PM
Get your ashes to Mars.
 
2013-03-17 03:07:57 PM
Sign me up!
reviews.in.88db.com
 
2013-03-17 03:09:31 PM
What are the odds that every single person who's with you up there is someone you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life with?

Uh uh.  No way.  There's always an asshole.
 
2013-03-17 03:10:04 PM
Im going to sign up, go, then murder everyone else as soon as I get there. I'll write a tale of how I am the one true god and savior of mars and leave my picture and some silly laws. yeah, thats the ticket.
 
2013-03-17 03:15:43 PM

Parallax: What are the odds that every single person who's with you up there is someone you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life with?

Uh uh.  No way.  There's always an asshole.


doesn't matter if it's a subway or a camping trip - there's always one

When things are going smoothly, I'm always concerned that it's me.

Too bad sucka's hahahaha
 
2013-03-17 03:16:51 PM
You're probably going to die long before you even get there.
 
2013-03-17 03:17:54 PM
I call dibs on the sunny side of the planet.
 
2013-03-17 03:20:01 PM

WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.

When I worked with NASA a few years back, before the mars mission was canned.. that was one of the foremost plans.  You send two rockets to mars: One big one filled with fuel, food, materials, and supplies.  No life support needed, you are just launching dead weight.  The second is smaller (and safer) containing just the crew, the lander/return vessel, and the life support needed for the trip.  You send the supplies ahead of time (to make sure they get there ok), and launch the crew right after... they have all the gear there and waiting for them...

/I was in life support research
//kinda CSB
 
2013-03-17 03:20:27 PM
The never-to-return explorers will require eight years of training

They'll get a bunch of volunteers who decide to unvolunteer on day #3649.  But it's a noble Rush Limbaugh cause: The Interplanetary Media Group is a for-profit company which can secure investments, and manages the broadcasting rights of the training and launch of the astronauts, and their residence on Mars.
 
2013-03-17 03:22:50 PM
I hope this works. Not only setting foot on, but actually setting up a permenant settlement on another planet would be the greatest human achievement of all time.
 
2013-03-17 03:22:58 PM
I can only imagine what the TSA checkpoint will be like for an interplanetary flight...
 
2013-03-17 03:26:12 PM

PhDemented: WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.
When I worked with NASA a few years back, before the mars mission was canned.. that was one of the foremost plans.  You send two rockets to mars: One big one filled with fuel, food, materials, and supplies.  No life support needed, you are just launching dead weight.  The second is smaller (and safer) containing just the crew, the lander/return vessel, and the life support needed for the trip.  You send the supplies ahead of time (to make sure they get there ok), and launch the crew right after... they have all the gear there and waiting for them...

/I was in life support research
//kinda CSB


I read the Red Mars series. Basically the same in concept, although the tech was slightly more advanced... don't know if we can do "air miners" yet.
 
2013-03-17 03:26:22 PM
Ship all the supplies first.

Then the people.

The Earth orbit to Mars orbit to Earth orbit ship can be refuel led and reused.
You only(!!!) have to soft land a Mars surface to Mars orbit ship to allow
The crew to return.
Lower gravity, thinner atmosphere... You're already at 120,000 feet at takeoff!

At least on Mars an air compressor and a greenhouse gets you a breathable atmosphere!
 
2013-03-17 03:26:53 PM
'Don't cry baby. Knew this was one way ticket, but you know I had to come.'
 
2013-03-17 03:27:18 PM

The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight: Just don't drink the water.


What red Martian people might look like
www.cksfilmes.com /Suck, Virginia
 
2013-03-17 03:28:09 PM

WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.


Fuel could be shipped or manufactured locally, what we lack is the socioeconomic WILL.  We went to the moon to beat the Russians, we'd probably go to Mars and back if we hadn't found a new enemy in ourselves.  Ever since Laffer the new cold war has been the Aristocracy against the middle class.  We can't afford to build a rocket ship and start a lunar colony because the noise might upset the local nobility and because the taxes involved are *far* to onerous and the idea of government jobs that might not go to your state are something to be fought tooth-and-nail.
 
2013-03-17 03:28:45 PM

Stone Meadow: Jon iz teh kewl: xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.

neither is Jupiter
maybe we should 3D print a planet

Why settle for a planet?


I am reading the Ringworld series so I am getting a kick. Good books, liked Niven since I read Lucifer's Hammer.
 
2013-03-17 03:31:08 PM

PhDemented: WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.
When I worked with NASA a few years back, before the mars mission was canned.. that was one of the foremost plans.  You send two rockets to mars: One big one filled with fuel, food, materials, and supplies.  No life support needed, you are just launching dead weight.  The second is smaller (and safer) containing just the crew, the lander/return vessel, and the life support needed for the trip.  You send the supplies ahead of time (to make sure they get there ok), and launch the crew right after... they have all the gear there and waiting for them...

/I was in life support research
//kinda CSB


Cool, and sad.

The "canceled" part especially sad.
 
2013-03-17 03:31:51 PM
I don't get it. Why is he doing this? Is this some kind of a research thing?
If so, he needs a large enough sample size. He should try to recruit at least 13.1% of the US population for meaningful data.
 
2013-03-17 03:38:11 PM
The case for Mars.  An interesting read, and outlines pretty well why Mars is a better choice for a viable colony than the Moon.

And if they had asked for volunteers when I was fresh out of high school, I would have signed up without a second thought.  Now I don't think my wife would be particularly pleased.
 
2013-03-17 03:38:17 PM

bim1154: Only way I'd do this would be if there was an over abundance of hot chicks, drugs, booze, and farking good bbq every day.


There is an area like that in my town.  Well, the chicks aren't that hot but you dont have to leave the planet.
 
2013-03-17 03:41:14 PM
I'd love to go to Mars. Or even a colony on the moon. There is one problem with it being a one way trip.

BEER!!!!!!
 
2013-03-17 03:44:18 PM

mat catastrophe: I speak for all sane humans when I say that we should send all the libertarians.


And anarchists.  And really anyone who wants to reinvent the societal wheel.
 
2013-03-17 03:45:42 PM

Parallax: Uh uh.  No way.  There's always an asshole.


oyster.ignimgs.com
 
2013-03-17 03:50:45 PM
I saw a ww2 movie once where allied soldiers had to blow up a wire barricade on a beach while under heavy fire.One soldier would drag a tube shaped explosive toward the obstacle until they got shot then another soldier would run up and continue carrying the device toward the obstacle until THEY got killed.On this went untill the goal was accomplished.

 Prepare the steps,materials,technology et al for constructing a sustainable habitation module on Mars THEN seek out volunteers willing to go on suicide missions ,one after another to accomplish the goal. In two hundred years when Mars has a few dozen dome cities and a pop. around 500 million there will be a national park built around the original module with an oblisk carved of native stone with the names of the sacrificial astronaut/settlers.
I could accept such a fate.
 
2013-03-17 03:51:58 PM
"The town's empty, but we found native life in the hills, sir. Dark people. Yellow eyes. Martians. Very friendly. We talked a bit, not much. They learn English fast. I'm sure our relations will be most friendly with them, sir."
 
2013-03-17 03:53:14 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Never make it there. And even if you did miraculously manage to somehow, your brain would be so destroyed by radiation you'd just sit there staring at the sun and drooling until you starved to death.


Half-baked, goggle-box do-gooders go around telling everybody it's bad for you.  Pernicious nonsense!

/Enjoying the view up there on your petard?
 
2013-03-17 03:53:31 PM

SuddenlySamhain: I saw a ww2 movie once where allied soldiers had to blow up a wire barricade on a beach while under heavy fire.One soldier would drag a tube shaped explosive toward the obstacle until they got shot then another soldier would run up and continue carrying the device toward the obstacle until THEY got killed.On this went untill the goal was accomplished.

 Prepare the steps,materials,technology et al for constructing a sustainable habitation module on Mars THEN seek out volunteers willing to go on suicide missions ,one after another to accomplish the goal. In two hundred years when Mars has a few dozen dome cities and a pop. around 500 million there will be a national park built around the original module with an oblisk carved of native stone with the names of the sacrificial astronaut/settlers.
I could accept such a fate.


Be a hell of a lot better than sitting in an old folks home wishing the damn grandkids would visit.
 
2013-03-17 03:55:15 PM

Pick: Does Mars have a 2nd Amendment in it's Constituition?

What are the tax laws on Mars?

Is Mars a democracy or a dictatorship?

How much are property taxes on Mars?

Is the food good and inexpensive there?

These questions and many more need to be answered before I commit.




I'd imagine a mars colony would have the rules of whichever nation sent it.
If it was put there by a corporation or some private venture, things might get interesting.
What if they enact rules that offend people on earth?
Would they be respected as a nation?
Would earth based governments put pressure on their mother corporations to affect mars policies?

If this thing runs by the current rules, I'd imagine something horribly PC.
No guns, no sex, no alcohol, no blackjack, no private enterprise or economy to speak of, leaders appointed by earth, rulings from offworld judges and juries, etc...
It would be interesting to see what they actually do with independence, if it ever comes to that.
 
2013-03-17 03:55:45 PM
Where do I sign up to be sent into a black hole? I want to watch the universe die before my very eyes.
 
2013-03-17 03:57:37 PM
If you'd like a true Mars Experience, just follow me out to the Sahara Desert and let me choke you. I think that will be about the same as what awaits humans on Mars.
 
2013-03-17 03:57:57 PM
Reminded me of:

kinoprostir.com

"How'd you like to be the first person to die on Mars?"
 
2013-03-17 04:00:50 PM
hipatia.no.sapo.pt
 
2013-03-17 04:08:48 PM

way south: Pick: Does Mars have a 2nd Amendment in it's Constituition?

What are the tax laws on Mars?

Is Mars a democracy or a dictatorship?

How much are property taxes on Mars?

Is the food good and inexpensive there?

These questions and many more need to be answered before I commit.

I'd imagine a mars colony would have the rules of whichever nation sent it.
If it was put there by a corporation or some private venture, things might get interesting.
What if they enact rules that offend people on earth?
Would they be respected as a nation?
Would earth based governments put pressure on their mother corporations to affect mars policies?

If this thing runs by the current rules, I'd imagine something horribly PC.
No guns, no sex, no alcohol, no blackjack, no private enterprise or economy to speak of, leaders appointed by earth, rulings from offworld judges and juries, etc...
It would be interesting to see what they actually do with independence, if it ever comes to that.


And if mars folks "misbehave", who exactly from earth is going to come after them?  It seems to me that what happens on mars stays on mars.  On one way voyages such as this, quite literally.
 
2013-03-17 04:09:26 PM

ultraholland: See you at the party, Richter!


That's the plan.
 
2013-03-17 04:11:37 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.


You'd have to evict a bunch of ww2 era Germans first...
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-17 04:14:07 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: mat catastrophe: I speak for all sane humans when I say that we should send all the libertarians.

Give them a whole planet, I say. Let them have their fantasy land there.

I say the same about the Space Nutters. I just want to make sure there's a reliable video link so I can watch them scream and cry and beg to come back to this "mud ball". I say we don't let them.


Let's send the "faithful" and continue with the rest of your plan.
 
2013-03-17 04:15:26 PM

sporkme: Stone Meadow: Jon iz teh kewl: xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.

neither is Jupiter
maybe we should 3D print a planet

Why settle for a planet?

I am reading the Ringworld series so I am getting a kick. Good books, liked Niven since I read Lucifer's Hammer.


I had never heard of Niven until I returned from Peace Corps service in 1980, when I purchased a paperback copy of Ringworld (which I still have and have read many times). Since then I've purchased and read nearly everything he's written. Not a convention-going fanboy, mind you, tho I do support by favorite artists by buying copies of their words.

/when you need a break from RW read Destiny's Road for a complete change of Niven pace...
 
2013-03-17 04:15:37 PM

Parallax: What are the odds that every single person who's with you up there is someone you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life with?

Uh uh.  No way.  There's always an asshole.


Sometime you need a mirror to see them.
 
2013-03-17 04:20:32 PM

WeenerGord: What fuel?


1. Extract oxygen and hydrogen from water ice through electrolysis
2. Condense and liquefy
3. Rocket fuel

/yes, I know it's not that simple
//still, the resources are there, it's just nowhere near cost effective or safe enough
 
2013-03-17 04:20:38 PM
BTW, here is a list of  10 Sci-Fi books that need to be made into movies.

/also a good list to flesh out your sci-fi reading if you haven't read them all
 
2013-03-17 04:24:16 PM
hey my job as a telephone sanitizer is pretty boring I'd be willing to get on a one-way spaceship.
 
2013-03-17 04:29:33 PM

SuddenlySamhain: I saw a ww2 movie once where allied soldiers had to blow up a wire barricade on a beach while under heavy fire.One soldier would drag a tube shaped explosive toward the obstacle until they got shot then another soldier would run up and continue carrying the device toward the obstacle until THEY got killed.On this went untill the goal was accomplished.

 Prepare the steps,materials,technology et al for constructing a sustainable habitation module on Mars THEN seek out volunteers willing to go on suicide missions ,one after another to accomplish the goal. In two hundred years when Mars has a few dozen dome cities and a pop. around 500 million there will be a national park built around the original module with an oblisk carved of native stone with the names of the sacrificial astronaut/settlers.
I could accept such a fate.


In my head I have developed a machine that could build those domes.

If only people would listen...
...and by listen, I mean fund a prototype.
 
2013-03-17 04:33:49 PM

WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]


Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?
 
2013-03-17 04:36:11 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.



Maybe they have.  The pure scientists types.  If there was anything on the Moon to exploit efficiently, we'd already be up there and the moon would be a quarter to half of its size now.  No one went to the moon for the science, they went for the money.
 
2013-03-17 04:37:12 PM

trapped-in-CH: hey my job as a telephone sanitizer is pretty boring I'd be willing to get on a one-way spaceship.



So that I don't have to look for a job.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

/Well, hey, I didn't spend all those years playing Dungeons and Dragons and not learn a little something about courage.
 
2013-03-17 04:37:39 PM

Stone Meadow: BTW, here is a list of  10 Sci-Fi books that need to be made into movies.

/also a good list to flesh out your sci-fi reading if you haven't read them all


Thanks. Check out Peter F Hamilton's Void series as well.
 
2013-03-17 04:40:09 PM

miniflea: The case for Mars.  An interesting read, and outlines pretty well why Mars is a better choice for a viable colony than the Moon.

And if they had asked for volunteers when I was fresh out of high school, I would have signed up without a second thought.  Now I don't think my wife would be particularly pleased.


Not even for the payout from the life insurance policy?
 
2013-03-17 04:40:53 PM

DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?


YES.

media.tumblr.com

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic
 
2013-03-17 04:41:00 PM

DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?


I looks like a scene from the first few minutes of Red Planet...when the character 'Dr Chantilas' dies.
 
2013-03-17 04:42:23 PM
Looks like I was wrong...
 
2013-03-17 04:43:57 PM
I suspect this guy is just a scam artist hunting publicity and I give him about zero chance of actually getting anything done on this.

Musk, on the other hand seems to have some pretty specific goals and time frames in mind and his ideas may actually work ... and he's proven he can do the stuff he talks about -- and damn well.  And there would actually be a POINT to his Martian colony.  With a meaningful role in an expanded interplanetary activity architecture.

And nobody has to or can tell him not to do it or to do it a different way (or scatter his contracts among influential Congressmen's districts)

Call him a space nutter if you want, but he's actually DOING IT.
 
2013-03-17 04:44:21 PM
The rest of my life being what, 30 seconds?
 
2013-03-17 04:44:27 PM

ZeroCorpse: If you'd like a true Mars Experience, just follow me out to the Sahara Desert and let me choke you. I think that will be about the same as what awaits humans on Mars.


May not be best example.  Loads of people live in and pass through the Sahara and have been for thousands of years. Set up oases, or find natural ones, get your pre-adapted animals ready, good to go.
 
2013-03-17 04:47:25 PM

DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?


Space Cowboys.
 
2013-03-17 04:47:45 PM
My name is Paul Ryan and I would like volunteer.
 
2013-03-17 04:48:04 PM

Stone Meadow: when the character 'Dr Chantilas' dies.


After that one scene in The Limey you could almost think that Terence Stamp was unkillable
 
2013-03-17 04:48:23 PM
Why do that when I can climb everest and die there instead? I'll assume the conditions on Mars are  much worse. Colder, no atmosphere, not much scenery.
 
2013-03-17 04:53:39 PM

WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic


Space Cowboys?  That's the movie which said that it's more important to let people die for risks, instead of taking the easy way through risking the lives of lower sentients (or robots) instead, because people can make decisions on the fly that non-sentients can't/wouldn't be allowed to, right?

Oh, and black people are still first casualties.
 
2013-03-17 05:01:47 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic

Space Cowboys?  That's the movie which said that it's more important to let people die for risks, instead of taking the easy way through risking the lives of lower sentients (or robots) instead, because people can make decisions on the fly that non-sentients can't/wouldn't be allowed to, right?

Oh, and black people are still first casualties.


0/10
 
2013-03-17 05:08:54 PM
You gotta die somewhere. The point of inital exploration, though, is the return journey. let's not get ahead of ourselves.
 
2013-03-17 05:10:35 PM

Stone Meadow: BTW, here is a list of  10 Sci-Fi books that need to be made into movies.

/also a good list to flesh out your sci-fi reading if you haven't read them all


Amtrak Wars. They would make awesome movies.

/Also agree with the list!
 
2013-03-17 05:16:33 PM
The real payoff will come when they secure the prothean data archives on mars--imagine the money to be made just selling one technological break-through per year!

/hopefully we get an early start on the crucible project!
 
2013-03-17 05:20:12 PM
grinding_journalist: WeenerGord: What fuel?

1. Extract oxygen and hydrogen from water ice through electrolysis
2. Condense and liquefy
3. Rocket fuel


 "Musk says that his fuel of choice for a Mars mission would be methane; it's cheap, easy to deal with and unlike hydrogen, the other fuel he considered, it's not prone to "invisible high-temperature fires." Moreover, methane can be produced on the surface of Mars as a byproduct of producing breathable oxygen from the planet's frozen carbon dioxide and water ice."
 
2013-03-17 05:23:30 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.


Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.
 
2013-03-17 05:25:08 PM
We Americans can take our guns for the ride, correct?  I mean it is THE RED PLANET.

2ND AMENDMENT IS UNIVERSAL

IN SPACE NO ONE CAN REGULATE MAH GUNS

/amirite?

//MM/DD.  Nevah forget. (Insert WTC burning pic, Eagle crying with US flag tattoo, Osama, Morans pic, etc.)
 
2013-03-17 05:26:56 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Never make it there. And even if you did miraculously manage to somehow, your brain would be so destroyed by radiation you'd just sit there staring at the sun and drooling until you starved to death.


So, hippie paradise?
 
2013-03-17 05:27:05 PM

WeenerGord: ExperianScaresCthulhu: WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic

Space Cowboys?  That's the movie which said that it's more important to let people die for risks, instead of taking the easy way through risking the lives of lower sentients (or robots) instead, because people can make decisions on the fly that non-sentients can't/wouldn't be allowed to, right?

Oh, and black people are still first casualties.

0/10


Courtney B. Vance is there to get hurt, but not in such a way that people make heroic .gifs of him.  SSDD in Hollywood.  And yes, it just isn't about 'old people are still useful'.  The original issue was about 'pussing out' by not sending humans up.

When you're young and dumb, you don't mind dying because you don't believe you'll die.  Now these same dudes are old fks, but the one who ends up kicking the bucket 'heroically' knows he's going to die, so fk it.

They just made him the best pilot so that the choice was  'reasonable' instead of what it really was, fatalistic.
 
2013-03-17 05:28:17 PM

Mad_Radhu: TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.

Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.


Like I said, there ain't shiat on the Moon currently worth exploiting, therefore no Moon colony.
 
2013-03-17 05:40:24 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Courtney B. Vance is there to get hurt, but not in such a way that people make heroic .gifs of him.  SSDD in Hollywood.  And yes, it just isn't about 'old people are still useful'.  The original issue was about 'pussing out' by not sending humans up.

When you're young and dumb, you don't mind dying because you don't believe you'll die.  Now these same dudes are old fks, but the one who ends up kicking the bucket 'heroically' knows he's going to die, so fk it.

They just made him the best pilot so that the choice was  'reasonable' instead of what it really was, fatalistic.



Blah blah blah. Everybody's a critic. It was a good movie. Make your own movie if you are so superior.
 
2013-03-17 05:45:51 PM

WeenerGord: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Courtney B. Vance is there to get hurt, but not in such a way that people make heroic .gifs of him.  SSDD in Hollywood.  And yes, it just isn't about 'old people are still useful'.  The original issue was about 'pussing out' by not sending humans up.

When you're young and dumb, you don't mind dying because you don't believe you'll die.  Now these same dudes are old fks, but the one who ends up kicking the bucket 'heroically' knows he's going to die, so fk it.

They just made him the best pilot so that the choice was  'reasonable' instead of what it really was, fatalistic.


Blah blah blah. Everybody's a critic. It was a good movie. Make your own movie if you are so superior.


Hookers and blackjack is boring subject matter.
 
2013-03-17 05:52:11 PM

miniflea: The case for Mars.  An interesting read, and outlines pretty well why Mars is a better choice for a viable colony than the Moon.

And if they had asked for volunteers when I was fresh out of high school, I would have signed up without a second thought.  Now I don't think my wife would be particularly pleased.


That's not what she told me. Really, she's cool with it.
 
2013-03-17 05:52:33 PM

SomethingToDo: You gotta die somewhere. The point of inital exploration, though, is the return journey. let's not get ahead of ourselves.



If you mean that the point of initial exploration is transferring what you've seen back home, we don't need personal presence for that.
 
2013-03-17 05:56:52 PM

Igor Jakovsky: bim1154: Only way I'd do this would be if there was an over abundance of hot chicks, drugs, booze, and farking good bbq every day.

There is an area like that in my town.  Well, the chicks aren't that hot but you dont have to leave the planet.


Is it exotic?
 
2013-03-17 06:03:17 PM
 
2013-03-17 06:03:56 PM
static02.mediaite.com

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.
 
2013-03-17 06:06:11 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic

Space Cowboys?  That's the movie which said that it's more important to let people die for risks, instead of taking the easy way through risking the lives of lower sentients (or robots) instead, because people can make decisions on the fly that non-sentients can't/wouldn't be allowed to, right?

Oh, and black people are still first casualties.


Not if we don't give them red shirts.
 
2013-03-17 06:07:53 PM

WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic


Robert A. Heinlein's Requiem, written 1940

"In the end, Harriman finally makes it to the Moon, only to die on the surface soon after landing, content at finally having reached his goal."

That same picture (basically) usuallyaccompanies the story.
 
2013-03-17 06:08:33 PM
No. I want you to die on Mars...
 
2013-03-17 06:09:04 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mad_Radhu: TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.

Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.

Like I said, there ain't shiat on the Moon currently worth exploiting, therefore no Moon colony.


Orly?
http://www.space.com/13247-moon-map-lunar-titanium.html
 
2013-03-17 06:10:15 PM
Can I nominate other people? Need to know soon, it would be a long list.
 
2013-03-17 06:13:47 PM

noitsnot: WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic

Robert A. Heinlein's Requiem, written 1940

"In the end, Harriman finally makes it to the Moon, only to die on the surface soon after landing, content at finally having reached his goal."

That same picture (basically) usually accompanies the story.


Can't find it with google - dammit.  Maybe it was all in my mind...
 
2013-03-17 06:19:18 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: ZeroCorpse: If you'd like a true Mars Experience, just follow me out to the Sahara Desert and let me choke you. I think that will be about the same as what awaits humans on Mars.

May not be best example.  Loads of people live in and pass through the Sahara and have been for thousands of years. Set up oases, or find natural ones, get your pre-adapted animals ready, good to go.


Fine. Gobi.

Or whatever. The point is it's an inhospitable place, and you won't be able to breathe on your own.
 
2013-03-17 06:22:45 PM

grinding_journalist: WeenerGord: What fuel?

1. Extract oxygen and hydrogen from water ice through electrolysis
2. Condense and liquefy
3. Rocket fuel

/yes, I know it's not that simple
//still, the resources are there, it's just nowhere near cost effective or safe enough




I've been biatching about this for years.

Humanity needs a more realistic "dream." Let's fix some shiat here. You know, starving kids and all. Ridiculous fantasy about some kind of interplanetary Jamestown is fricking retarded.
 
2013-03-17 06:26:21 PM

studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.


Problem solved. *Insert 3D-printer joke*
www.platformnation.com
 
2013-03-17 06:26:33 PM

Honest Bender: Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...


Well you see, it's very complicated... no, actually it's not.
It's because we have loads of infrastructure and expertise here that allows us to do it.  The technology doesn't get us there on its own, flying to Mars takes a slew of scientists and engineers to make it happen.


grinding_journalist: No, he meant to say it wasn't cost effective. As in, not cost effective to ship building materials, fuel condensers, construction equipment, technical facilities, spare parts, raw materials, etc. to Mars with the intent of shipping a dozen people back here


Even with all that equipment, they're missing all the people we have here on Earth that make that stuff work.
 
2013-03-17 06:28:37 PM

studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.


If only we had a way to produce massive amounts of carbon dioxide to promote a greenhouse effect... and then maybe some kind of device that converts CO2 into oxygen?  I hope some genius comes up with those things!
 
2013-03-17 06:34:11 PM

ReverendJynxed: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mad_Radhu: TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.

Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.

Like I said, there ain't shiat on the Moon currently worth exploiting, therefore no Moon colony.

Orly?
http://www.space.com/13247-moon-map-lunar-titanium.html


Titanium is one of the most common elements on Earth.  Hell, we paint houses with it and put it in toothpaste to make it whiter.

Titanium is only expensive because it takes great giant whopping shiatloads of power to refine it.  I understand that the Russians solved that little problem by just building nuclear power plants on-site.
 
2013-03-17 06:38:52 PM
It doesn't sound like there would be anything useful or gained in this whatsoever. I'd rather stay here where it's warm and die, watching tv or reading Fark.
 
2013-03-17 06:40:32 PM
images.amazon.com
 
2013-03-17 06:44:34 PM

Gawdzila: studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.

If only we had a way to produce massive amounts of carbon dioxide to promote a greenhouse effect... and then maybe some kind of device that converts CO2 into oxygen?  I hope some genius comes up with those things!


God did.
 
2013-03-17 06:50:24 PM
Oh I see what they're doing after reading the Mars-One website:

As successive Mars One Teams arrive, the settlement will grow in its capacity for scientific research, experiments, and exploration of Mars, with a minimum of four high definition video streams providing viewers on Earth with 24/7/365 engagement.

Hopefully not ppv. Maybe it'll be like Big Brother (in Space). Or Survivor. I'd probably watch though.
 
2013-03-17 06:52:45 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Humanity needs a more realistic "dream." Let's fix some shiat here. You know, starving kids and all. Ridiculous fantasy about some kind of interplanetary Jamestown is fricking retarded.


I hate this kind of complaint and I think it is wholly misguided and illogical.  It assumes that, just because there are some people who are dreaming of ways to get to Mars, that they're necessarily decreasing the attention we give to other concerns.  There are PLENTY of people who are trying to fix the starving kids problem, and their inability to fix it has nothing to do with NASA.  The people who are interested in rocket science aren't suddenly going to turn their attention to fixing economic woes just because you de-fund the space program, all it does is waste their talents.  You may not consider space exploration practical or necessary, but the fact of the matter is that it employs a lot of extremely intelligent people and they often invent a lot of extremely useful new technologies as by-products.
 
2013-03-17 06:54:44 PM

Gawdzila: studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.

If only we had a way to produce massive amounts of carbon dioxide to promote a greenhouse effect... and then maybe some kind of device that converts CO2 into oxygen?  I hope some genius comes up with those things!




Yeah, how much nitrogen is on Mar?
 
2013-03-17 06:56:17 PM

Gawdzila: StoPPeRmobile: Humanity needs a more realistic "dream." Let's fix some shiat here. You know, starving kids and all. Ridiculous fantasy about some kind of interplanetary Jamestown is fricking retarded.

I hate this kind of complaint and I think it is wholly misguided and illogical.  It assumes that, just because there are some people who are dreaming of ways to get to Mars, that they're necessarily decreasing the attention we give to other concerns.  There are PLENTY of people who are trying to fix the starving kids problem, and their inability to fix it has nothing to do with NASA.  The people who are interested in rocket science aren't suddenly going to turn their attention to fixing economic woes just because you de-fund the space program, all it does is waste their talents.  You may not consider space exploration practical or necessary, but the fact of the matter is that it employs a lot of extremely intelligent people and they often invent a lot of extremely useful new technologies as by-products.




I'm not talking about NASA, knucklehead.

I mean everything else. The PR campaign is what I have a problem with.
 
2013-03-17 06:58:26 PM

Mister Peejay: ReverendJynxed: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mad_Radhu: TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.

Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.

Like I said, there ain't shiat on the Moon currently worth exploiting, therefore no Moon colony.

Orly?
http://www.space.com/13247-moon-map-lunar-titanium.html

Titanium is one of the most common elements on Earth.  Hell, we paint houses with it and put it in toothpaste to make it whiter.

Titanium is only expensive because it takes great giant whopping shiatloads of power to refine it.  I understand that the Russians solved that little problem by just building nuclear power plants on-site.


Just one example. If you cared to look more, there are other elements. All very desired on the planet.

Point still stands strong.
 
2013-03-17 06:58:55 PM

WippitGuud: God did.


Well to be fair, we're the ones who invented CO2-spewing engines and industrial processes.
 
2013-03-17 07:08:18 PM

Gawdzila: WippitGuud: God did.

Well to be fair, we're the ones who invented CO2-spewing engines and industrial processes.


Wait... that stuff warms the climate?

Why am I the first to hear about this?
 
2013-03-17 07:12:13 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, how much nitrogen is on Mar?


There's not much of ANYTHING in the Martian atmosphere.  If you're talking about making a breathable atmosphere, though, nitrogen isn't strictly necessary.  It just acts as a non-reactive "filler" gas that keeps the oxygen concentration from being toxic.
 
2013-03-17 07:12:26 PM
People routinely go far away, never expecting to come back.
Why is Mars any different?
 
2013-03-17 07:18:22 PM

WippitGuud: Gawdzila: WippitGuud: God did.

Well to be fair, we're the ones who invented CO2-spewing engines and industrial processes.

Wait... that stuff warms the climate?

Why am I the first to hear about this?


Yes, but the bigger point in this instance would be to create a thicker atmosphere that can be consumed by plants to make oxygen.
A thicker atmosphere would hold more heat no matter WHAT it was made of simply because there is more atmosphere there to be warmed.
 
2013-03-17 07:19:58 PM
I don't think there will be a shortage of applicants. It's a sure way to fame and glory, and for all the right reasons.
 
2013-03-17 07:21:18 PM

Gawdzila: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, how much nitrogen is on Mar?

There's not much of ANYTHING in the Martian atmosphere.  If you're talking about making a breathable atmosphere, though, nitrogen isn't strictly necessary.  It just acts as a non-reactive "filler" gas that keeps the oxygen concentration from being toxic.


Well, it was the suggestion of Trees being CO2 producers as a solution that made the question appear.
 
2013-03-17 07:21:38 PM
Setup a reality show about it.  Beam it back to Earth. Survivors Mars.  Rating should be good.
 
2013-03-17 07:21:49 PM

twfeline: People routinely go far away, never expecting to come back.
Why is Mars any different?


Umm.. well...
For one, the fact that there isn't a way back even if they WANTED to.
For two, the fact that the very environment is extremely inhospitable to life and will almost assuredly kill them before long.
This isn't really comparable to packing up and moving to China or something.
 
2013-03-17 07:24:07 PM
Honest Bender Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

I'm reminded of a quote from Alpha Centauri:
I have often been asked: if we have traveled between the stars, why can we not launch the simplest of orbital probes? These fools fail to understand the difficulty of finding the appropriate materials on this Planet, of developing adequate power supplies, and creating the infrastructure necessary to support such an effort. In short, we have struggled under the limitations of a colonial society on a virgin planet. Until now.
- Col. Corazon Santiago, "Planet: A Survivalist's Guide"
 
2013-03-17 07:25:49 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Gawdzila: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, how much nitrogen is on Mar?

There's not much of ANYTHING in the Martian atmosphere.  If you're talking about making a breathable atmosphere, though, nitrogen isn't strictly necessary.  It just acts as a non-reactive "filler" gas that keeps the oxygen concentration from being toxic.

Well, it was the suggestion of Trees being CO2 producers as a solution that made the question appear.


I didn't suggest that because they're not; they're oxygen producers.  Industrial processes and burning hydrocarbons produces CO2, though.
 
2013-03-17 07:46:51 PM

Zemog: Half-baked, goggle-box do-gooders go around telling everybody it's bad for you. Pernicious nonsense!


You ever feel as if your mind had started to erode? Well, you will if you try to go to Mars.

Probably the only person here who gets called out often for being ooc from their handle. But i couldn't in good conscience tell people radiation is good for them. I still talk about radiation a lot, though. Also talk about aliens a fair bit, which is more in character. The two have more in common than you might think.
 
2013-03-17 07:53:11 PM

Gawdzila: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, how much nitrogen is on Mar?

There's not much of ANYTHING in the Martian atmosphere.  If you're talking about making a breathable atmosphere, though, nitrogen isn't strictly necessary.  It just acts as a non-reactive "filler" gas that keeps the oxygen concentration from being toxic.



Maybe people don't need nitrogen, but plants do
 
2013-03-17 08:13:12 PM

Stone Meadow: sporkme: Stone Meadow: Jon iz teh kewl: xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.

neither is Jupiter
maybe we should 3D print a planet

Why settle for a planet?

I am reading the Ringworld series so I am getting a kick. Good books, liked Niven since I read Lucifer's Hammer.

I had never heard of Niven until I returned from Peace Corps service in 1980, when I purchased a paperback copy of Ringworld (which I still have and have read many times). Since then I've purchased and read nearly everything he's written. Not a convention-going fanboy, mind you, tho I do support by favorite artists by buying copies of their words.

/when you need a break from RW read Destiny's Road and cringe at the errors missed by the editor for a complete change of Niven pace...


There, fixed that for you.  Also if you haven't already, pick up copies of The Integral Trees and The Smoke Ring, which are set in the same story universe (but no overlap in characters or even planets with Destiny's Road).  I believe it's the same story universe as the Beowulf's Children pair of novels but am not certain.

Be very certain to not read the inside-cover blurb of Integral Trees.  Niven sets you up to believe a particular false thing without ever coming out and saying it, but if you're paying attention you can figure out the truth yourself.  The truth is revealed in Smoke Ring as part of the plot -- but the blurb from some idiot publisher monkey printed inside Integral Trees flat out tells you the wrong things.

/over_and_done for the State
//over_and_done for the State
///over_and_done for the State
 
2013-03-17 08:15:58 PM
J. Frank Parnell:

Probably the only person here who gets called out often for being ooc from their handle. But i couldn't in good conscience tell people radiation is good for them.

...and now I realize, after all this time, why your name sounded familiar.

Tell me, what opinion do you have on the nutrition factor of vending machine sandwiches?
 
2013-03-17 08:29:53 PM

slimfast:


Is that the one where they all get scurvy but for some reason don't figure it out until it is almost too late?
 
2013-03-17 08:32:28 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-17 09:22:34 PM

Munchkin City Coroner: way south: Pick: Does Mars have a 2nd Amendment in it's Constituition?

What are the tax laws on Mars?

Is Mars a democracy or a dictatorship?

How much are property taxes on Mars?

Is the food good and inexpensive there?

These questions and many more need to be answered before I commit.

I'd imagine a mars colony would have the rules of whichever nation sent it.
If it was put there by a corporation or some private venture, things might get interesting.
What if they enact rules that offend people on earth?
Would they be respected as a nation?
Would earth based governments put pressure on their mother corporations to affect mars policies?

If this thing runs by the current rules, I'd imagine something horribly PC.
No guns, no sex, no alcohol, no blackjack, no private enterprise or economy to speak of, leaders appointed by earth, rulings from offworld judges and juries, etc...
It would be interesting to see what they actually do with independence, if it ever comes to that.

And if mars folks "misbehave", who exactly from earth is going to come after them?  It seems to me that what happens on mars stays on mars.  On one way voyages such as this, quite literally.




A planet sized embargo isn't difficult to enforce.
You might be right in that it boils down to how would we know the full extent of what's going on there.

We might have dozens of rules regarding astronaut behavior, but they'll do whatever they want off camera.
 
2013-03-17 09:43:55 PM

studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.



Candidates should first see if they can bear living in a dry county before moving to a dry planet.
 
2013-03-17 09:53:40 PM

over_and_done: Stone Meadow: sporkme: Stone Meadow: Jon iz teh kewl: xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.

neither is Jupiter
maybe we should 3D print a planet

Why settle for a planet?

I am reading the Ringworld series so I am getting a kick. Good books, liked Niven since I read Lucifer's Hammer.

I had never heard of Niven until I returned from Peace Corps service in 1980, when I purchased a paperback copy of Ringworld (which I still have and have read many times). Since then I've purchased and read nearly everything he's written. Not a convention-going fanboy, mind you, tho I do support by favorite artists by buying copies of their words.

/when you need a break from RW read Destiny's Road and cringe at the errors missed by the editor for a complete change of Niven pace...

There, fixed that for you.  Also if you haven't already, pick up copies of The Integral Trees and The Smoke Ring, which are set in the same story universe (but no overlap in characters or even planets with Destiny's Road).  I believe it's the same story universe as the Beowulf's Children pair of novels but am not certain.

Be very certain to not read the inside-cover blurb of Integral Trees.  Niven sets you up to believe a particular false thing without ever coming out and saying it, but if you're paying attention you can figure out the truth yourself.  The truth is revealed in Smoke Ring as part of the plot -- but the blurb from some idiot publisher monkey printed inside Integral Trees flat out tells you the wrong things.

/over_and_done for the State
//over_and_done for the State
///over_and_done for the State


Protector and the rest of the Known Space canon are best - stuff from before the 80's.  And the most recent Ringworld novel (Ringworld's Children) is great - mostly because he got a ton of fan input.  Ringworld Throne is meh (80's) but you need to read it for continuity.

World Out of Time is great too (Corbell for the State...)
 
2013-03-17 10:15:26 PM
 
2013-03-17 10:29:14 PM
Meh, I'd go.  We all die somewhere.
 
2013-03-17 10:35:46 PM

WeenerGord: Gawdzila: StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, how much nitrogen is on Mar?

There's not much of ANYTHING in the Martian atmosphere.  If you're talking about making a breathable atmosphere, though, nitrogen isn't strictly necessary.  It just acts as a non-reactive "filler" gas that keeps the oxygen concentration from being toxic.


Maybe people don't need nitrogen, but plants do


Grrr, I didn't know I needed to spell it out. 3D PRINTERS!!!!!
 
2013-03-17 10:48:19 PM
It kind of surprised me how many Farkers want to spend the rest of their lives without any human contact or sex.

But then I realized its not that much different than living in your mom's basement.

I guess you guys have always been in training for deep space voyages.  Who would have thunk it?
 
2013-03-17 11:09:53 PM
www.anbg.gov.au

Ya know what else was a one-way trip?
 
2013-03-17 11:11:47 PM

Gawdzila: WippitGuud: God did.

Well to be fair, we're the ones who invented CO2-spewing engines and industrial processes.


By the grace of god we "invented" those things!
 
2013-03-17 11:13:31 PM

miniflea: slimfast:

Is that the one where they all get scurvy but for some reason don't figure it out until it is almost too late?


Yes.
 
2013-03-17 11:37:09 PM

SirEattonHogg: I guess you guys have always been in training for deep space voyages.  Who would have thunk it?


i651.photobucket.com

BONUS: Emergency rations are included!
 
2013-03-17 11:42:38 PM

SuddenlySamhain: I saw a ww2 movie once where allied soldiers had to blow up a wire barricade on a beach while under heavy fire.One soldier would drag a tube shaped explosive toward the obstacle until they got shot then another soldier would run up and continue carrying the device toward the obstacle until THEY got killed.On this went untill the goal was accomplished.

 Prepare the steps,materials,technology et al for constructing a sustainable habitation module on Mars THEN seek out volunteers willing to go on suicide missions ,one after another to accomplish the goal. In two hundred years when Mars has a few dozen dome cities and a pop. around 500 million there will be a national park built around the original module with an oblisk carved of native stone with the names of the sacrificial astronaut/settlers.
I could accept such a fate.


Perhaps a D-Day documentary on the Military Channel and a device known as a Bangalore Torpedo?

Anyhow, I want to be able to take a lot of stuff with me and have internet access (I know there will be a huge delay, I don't play FPS games or the likes but I want to read the news, visit /., and chill at Fark). I also want a six month re-supply of opiates and weed, 5 to 10kg should be enough for me personally. I want to be able to order anything, regardless of legality here on Earth, to be included in my allotted weight.

I'm aging, I'd be 68 in 2022, so I'm pretty sure I'd not be included on the mission anyhow. I think that's too bad because the younger folk are likely to back out where as I can follow instructions well enough to help scientists and the likes, I'm fairly well educated, and I simply don't care enough about life to be likely to change my mind after the investment in training. Oh well.

On the other hand, I'm quite willing to bet (assuming we use some reputable escrow company) that this project doesn't get off the ground. I'm even willing to put up a sizable amount of cash in this bet. It simply seems unlikely to succeed and that is unfortunate because the human race has an absolute expiration date unless we get off this rock. (Well, I suppose it still has one due to entropy but we can postpone it significantly by investing the resources to escape the planet. I'm afraid that, by the time the majority is aware of this, the resources will have been consumed on less important things.)
 
2013-03-17 11:43:01 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Never make it there. And even if you did miraculously manage to somehow, your brain would be so destroyed by radiation you'd just sit there staring at the sun and drooling until you starved to death.


He-HEY~ Stop being a buzzkill. Let people have their dreams. There's a lot of time to perfect the technology to lessen the effect of cosmic rays.
 
2013-03-17 11:51:01 PM

SirEattonHogg: It kind of surprised me how many Farkers want to spend the rest of their lives without any human contact or sex.

But then I realized its not that much different than living in your mom's basement.

I guess you guys have always been in training for deep space voyages.  Who would have thunk it?


Speaking of mothers, yours has been an excellent trainer for those deep space missions.
 
2013-03-18 12:08:40 AM

jakepowers: Im going to sign up, go, then murder everyone else as soon as I get there. I'll write a tale of how I am the one true god and savior of mars and leave my picture and some silly laws. yeah, thats the ticket.


that would honestly be worth the trip. and I'd wager quite a bit that it could actually work.

SlothB77: They leave in 2022.  It takes x years to get to mars, then let's say they guarantee they will keep these people alive for ten years on Mars.  What are the odds we figure out a way to get them back by then?


I've seen enough "alien microorganism infection" space movies to know that will never happen regardless of the technological or financial feasibility.
 
2013-03-18 12:49:51 AM

Mister Peejay: Tell me, what opinion do you have on the nutrition factor of vending machine sandwiches?


Vended food contains all the necessary nutrients for survival. Well, just one, really: sugar. If you're starving from say, radiation sickness, sugar alone can keep you going for awhile.

ParagonComplex: He-HEY~ Stop being a buzzkill. Let people have their dreams. There's a lot of time to perfect the technology to lessen the effect of cosmic rays.


I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, that's just the reality of it. We'd need either a new method of propulsion capable of getting a craft with a couple feet of lead shielding on its exterior into orbit, or a new metal which weighs less that can protects us. Or maybe a way to generate a field of some type to act as a shield. It's certainly not remotely possible with current public technology, is all i'm really saying. The people you should be mad at are those pretending it's possible.

I'll throw out a little optimism, although it's still pretty dark. Ben Rich, who worked at the Lockheed Skunkworks most of his life, and was even head of it for awhile, had this to say:

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

/your tax dollars at work
 
2013-03-18 12:52:10 AM

ParagonComplex: J. Frank Parnell: Never make it there. And even if you did miraculously manage to somehow, your brain would be so destroyed by radiation you'd just sit there staring at the sun and drooling until you starved to death.

He-HEY~ Stop being a buzzkill. Let people have their dreams. There's a lot of time to perfect the technology to lessen the effect of cosmic rays.


Wait until they find out they will be drinking other peoples pee.
 
2013-03-18 02:13:26 AM
Living on Mars, I'd be able to dodge my student loans that have been in forbearance since 1996.  And here I thought I'd have to DIE my way out of them.
 
2013-03-18 02:17:58 AM

FARK rebel soldier: The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight: Just don't drink the water.

What red Martian people might look like
[www.cksfilmes.com image 820x634] /Suck, Virginia


I finally got around to watching John Carter on Starz this weekend. It wasn't quite as bad as its reputation led me to believe.  I don't think Taylor Kitsch was quite right as the lead, and they really should have at least tweaked the colors a bit to make the sky and terrain look the right colors for Mars so it just didn't feel like the action was happening in Utah, but the story was not awful for a summer action flick (it was way better than Battleship), and I rather liked Lynn Collins as Dejah.
 
2013-03-18 02:40:11 AM

SlothB77: that's a lot of time to change your mind.


I was told it was only two weeks.
 
2013-03-18 02:42:14 AM

m00: seriously though, I'd go.


Mars is fine.  All of these worlds are ours, except Europa.  We should attempt no landing there.
 
2013-03-18 02:45:00 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Quantum Apostrophe: mat catastrophe: I speak for all sane humans when I say that we should send all the libertarians.

Give them a whole planet, I say. Let them have their fantasy land there.

I say the same about the Space Nutters. I just want to make sure there's a reliable video link so I can watch them scream and cry and beg to come back to this "mud ball". I say we don't let them.

Let's send the "faithful" and continue with the rest of your plan.


No, no, we should send the telephone sanitizers first.  After all, when the other arks arrive, we wouldn't want them to have to deal with dirty telephones.
 
2013-03-18 03:29:55 AM

NephilimNexus: [www.anbg.gov.au image 540x270]

Ya know what else was a one-way trip?


Never ordered a coffee in Shepherd's Bush, I see.
 
2013-03-18 05:26:06 AM
i651.photobucket.com
You can just see his toilet trembling in the background.
 
2013-03-18 05:32:11 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Never make it there. And even if you did miraculously manage to somehow, your brain would be so destroyed by radiation you'd just sit there staring at the sun and drooling until you starved to death.


So....you're saying it's better than most IT jobs I've had. Sign me up!
 
2013-03-18 05:48:09 AM

studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.


It ain't no place to raise the kids.
 
2013-03-18 02:17:38 PM

weirdneighbour: [i651.photobucket.com image 510x381]
You can just see his toilet trembling in the background.


You can see his lotion but can he see where his lotion is supposed to go?Can he even REACH it?

BTW if there is ANY SINGLE image that can inspire a person to diet its this one
 
2013-03-18 02:50:57 PM

SuddenlySamhain: weirdneighbour: [i651.photobucket.com image 510x381]
You can just see his toilet trembling in the background.

You can see his lotion but can he see where his lotion is supposed to go?Can he even REACH it?

BTW if there is ANY SINGLE image that can inspire a person to diet its this one



Dunno, man, he looks happy enough. Fat people are jolly.
 
2013-03-18 05:05:22 PM

J. Frank Parnell: I'm not trying to be a buzzkill, that's just the reality of it. We'd need either a new method of propulsion capable of getting a craft with a couple feet of lead shielding on its exterior into orbit, or a new metal which weighs less that can protects us. Or maybe a way to generate a field of some type to act as a shield. It's certainly not remotely possible with current public technology, is all i'm really saying. The people you should be mad at are those pretending it's possible.

I'll throw out a little optimism, although it's still pretty dark. Ben Rich, who worked at the Lockheed Skunkworks most of his life, and was even head of it for awhile, had this to say:

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."

/your tax dollars at work


I was being facetious, yo. You're exactly right with everything you said. I do believe that by go-time there will be something to protect the people from cosmic rays, radiation, etc. I'm hoping the eccentric buddy who conjured this up thinks so as well. Otherwise he's sending people to their certain painful death instead of a possible uncertain death. There's no telling what all we can already do, but people's love of money keep it away from the gen-pop.
 
2013-03-18 09:53:35 PM

Gawdzila: StoPPeRmobile: Humanity needs a more realistic "dream." Let's fix some shiat here. You know, starving kids and all. Ridiculous fantasy about some kind of interplanetary Jamestown is fricking retarded.

I hate this kind of complaint and I think it is wholly misguided and illogical.  It assumes that, just because there are some people who are dreaming of ways to get to Mars, that they're necessarily decreasing the attention we give to other concerns.  There are PLENTY of people who are trying to fix the starving kids problem, and their inability to fix it has nothing to do with NASA.  The people who are interested in rocket science aren't suddenly going to turn their attention to fixing economic woes just because you de-fund the space program, all it does is waste their talents.


My favorite thing about Elon Musk, he's not asking you to fund his Mars colony.  He's saving you a bundle of money by building a better space launch infrastructure that you need for other stuff and doing the rest with his profits.
 
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