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2013-03-17 04:41:00 PM

DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?


I looks like a scene from the first few minutes of Red Planet...when the character 'Dr Chantilas' dies.
 
2013-03-17 04:42:23 PM
Looks like I was wrong...
 
2013-03-17 04:43:57 PM
I suspect this guy is just a scam artist hunting publicity and I give him about zero chance of actually getting anything done on this.

Musk, on the other hand seems to have some pretty specific goals and time frames in mind and his ideas may actually work ... and he's proven he can do the stuff he talks about -- and damn well.  And there would actually be a POINT to his Martian colony.  With a meaningful role in an expanded interplanetary activity architecture.

And nobody has to or can tell him not to do it or to do it a different way (or scatter his contracts among influential Congressmen's districts)

Call him a space nutter if you want, but he's actually DOING IT.
 
2013-03-17 04:44:21 PM
The rest of my life being what, 30 seconds?
 
2013-03-17 04:44:27 PM

ZeroCorpse: If you'd like a true Mars Experience, just follow me out to the Sahara Desert and let me choke you. I think that will be about the same as what awaits humans on Mars.


May not be best example.  Loads of people live in and pass through the Sahara and have been for thousands of years. Set up oases, or find natural ones, get your pre-adapted animals ready, good to go.
 
2013-03-17 04:47:25 PM

DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?


Space Cowboys.
 
2013-03-17 04:47:45 PM
My name is Paul Ryan and I would like volunteer.
 
2013-03-17 04:48:04 PM

Stone Meadow: when the character 'Dr Chantilas' dies.


After that one scene in The Limey you could almost think that Terence Stamp was unkillable
 
2013-03-17 04:48:23 PM
Why do that when I can climb everest and die there instead? I'll assume the conditions on Mars are  much worse. Colder, no atmosphere, not much scenery.
 
2013-03-17 04:53:39 PM

WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic


Space Cowboys?  That's the movie which said that it's more important to let people die for risks, instead of taking the easy way through risking the lives of lower sentients (or robots) instead, because people can make decisions on the fly that non-sentients can't/wouldn't be allowed to, right?

Oh, and black people are still first casualties.
 
2013-03-17 05:01:47 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic

Space Cowboys?  That's the movie which said that it's more important to let people die for risks, instead of taking the easy way through risking the lives of lower sentients (or robots) instead, because people can make decisions on the fly that non-sentients can't/wouldn't be allowed to, right?

Oh, and black people are still first casualties.


0/10
 
2013-03-17 05:08:54 PM
You gotta die somewhere. The point of inital exploration, though, is the return journey. let's not get ahead of ourselves.
 
2013-03-17 05:10:35 PM

Stone Meadow: BTW, here is a list of  10 Sci-Fi books that need to be made into movies.

/also a good list to flesh out your sci-fi reading if you haven't read them all


Amtrak Wars. They would make awesome movies.

/Also agree with the list!
 
2013-03-17 05:16:33 PM
The real payoff will come when they secure the prothean data archives on mars--imagine the money to be made just selling one technological break-through per year!

/hopefully we get an early start on the crucible project!
 
2013-03-17 05:20:12 PM
grinding_journalist: WeenerGord: What fuel?

1. Extract oxygen and hydrogen from water ice through electrolysis
2. Condense and liquefy
3. Rocket fuel


 "Musk says that his fuel of choice for a Mars mission would be methane; it's cheap, easy to deal with and unlike hydrogen, the other fuel he considered, it's not prone to "invisible high-temperature fires." Moreover, methane can be produced on the surface of Mars as a byproduct of producing breathable oxygen from the planet's frozen carbon dioxide and water ice."
 
2013-03-17 05:23:30 PM

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.


Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.
 
2013-03-17 05:25:08 PM
We Americans can take our guns for the ride, correct?  I mean it is THE RED PLANET.

2ND AMENDMENT IS UNIVERSAL

IN SPACE NO ONE CAN REGULATE MAH GUNS

/amirite?

//MM/DD.  Nevah forget. (Insert WTC burning pic, Eagle crying with US flag tattoo, Osama, Morans pic, etc.)
 
2013-03-17 05:26:56 PM

J. Frank Parnell: Never make it there. And even if you did miraculously manage to somehow, your brain would be so destroyed by radiation you'd just sit there staring at the sun and drooling until you starved to death.


So, hippie paradise?
 
2013-03-17 05:27:05 PM

WeenerGord: ExperianScaresCthulhu: WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic

Space Cowboys?  That's the movie which said that it's more important to let people die for risks, instead of taking the easy way through risking the lives of lower sentients (or robots) instead, because people can make decisions on the fly that non-sentients can't/wouldn't be allowed to, right?

Oh, and black people are still first casualties.

0/10


Courtney B. Vance is there to get hurt, but not in such a way that people make heroic .gifs of him.  SSDD in Hollywood.  And yes, it just isn't about 'old people are still useful'.  The original issue was about 'pussing out' by not sending humans up.

When you're young and dumb, you don't mind dying because you don't believe you'll die.  Now these same dudes are old fks, but the one who ends up kicking the bucket 'heroically' knows he's going to die, so fk it.

They just made him the best pilot so that the choice was  'reasonable' instead of what it really was, fatalistic.
 
2013-03-17 05:28:17 PM

Mad_Radhu: TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.

Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.


Like I said, there ain't shiat on the Moon currently worth exploiting, therefore no Moon colony.
 
2013-03-17 05:40:24 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Courtney B. Vance is there to get hurt, but not in such a way that people make heroic .gifs of him.  SSDD in Hollywood.  And yes, it just isn't about 'old people are still useful'.  The original issue was about 'pussing out' by not sending humans up.

When you're young and dumb, you don't mind dying because you don't believe you'll die.  Now these same dudes are old fks, but the one who ends up kicking the bucket 'heroically' knows he's going to die, so fk it.

They just made him the best pilot so that the choice was  'reasonable' instead of what it really was, fatalistic.



Blah blah blah. Everybody's a critic. It was a good movie. Make your own movie if you are so superior.
 
2013-03-17 05:45:51 PM

WeenerGord: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Courtney B. Vance is there to get hurt, but not in such a way that people make heroic .gifs of him.  SSDD in Hollywood.  And yes, it just isn't about 'old people are still useful'.  The original issue was about 'pussing out' by not sending humans up.

When you're young and dumb, you don't mind dying because you don't believe you'll die.  Now these same dudes are old fks, but the one who ends up kicking the bucket 'heroically' knows he's going to die, so fk it.

They just made him the best pilot so that the choice was  'reasonable' instead of what it really was, fatalistic.


Blah blah blah. Everybody's a critic. It was a good movie. Make your own movie if you are so superior.


Hookers and blackjack is boring subject matter.
 
2013-03-17 05:52:11 PM

miniflea: The case for Mars.  An interesting read, and outlines pretty well why Mars is a better choice for a viable colony than the Moon.

And if they had asked for volunteers when I was fresh out of high school, I would have signed up without a second thought.  Now I don't think my wife would be particularly pleased.


That's not what she told me. Really, she's cool with it.
 
2013-03-17 05:52:33 PM

SomethingToDo: You gotta die somewhere. The point of inital exploration, though, is the return journey. let's not get ahead of ourselves.



If you mean that the point of initial exploration is transferring what you've seen back home, we don't need personal presence for that.
 
2013-03-17 05:56:52 PM

Igor Jakovsky: bim1154: Only way I'd do this would be if there was an over abundance of hot chicks, drugs, booze, and farking good bbq every day.

There is an area like that in my town.  Well, the chicks aren't that hot but you dont have to leave the planet.


Is it exotic?
 
2013-03-17 06:03:17 PM
 
2013-03-17 06:03:56 PM
static02.mediaite.com

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.
 
2013-03-17 06:06:11 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic

Space Cowboys?  That's the movie which said that it's more important to let people die for risks, instead of taking the easy way through risking the lives of lower sentients (or robots) instead, because people can make decisions on the fly that non-sentients can't/wouldn't be allowed to, right?

Oh, and black people are still first casualties.


Not if we don't give them red shirts.
 
2013-03-17 06:07:53 PM

WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic


Robert A. Heinlein's Requiem, written 1940

"In the end, Harriman finally makes it to the Moon, only to die on the surface soon after landing, content at finally having reached his goal."

That same picture (basically) usuallyaccompanies the story.
 
2013-03-17 06:08:33 PM
No. I want you to die on Mars...
 
2013-03-17 06:09:04 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mad_Radhu: TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.

Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.

Like I said, there ain't shiat on the Moon currently worth exploiting, therefore no Moon colony.


Orly?
http://www.space.com/13247-moon-map-lunar-titanium.html
 
2013-03-17 06:10:15 PM
Can I nominate other people? Need to know soon, it would be a long list.
 
2013-03-17 06:13:47 PM

noitsnot: WeenerGord: DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?

YES.

[media.tumblr.com image 500x313]

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic

Robert A. Heinlein's Requiem, written 1940

"In the end, Harriman finally makes it to the Moon, only to die on the surface soon after landing, content at finally having reached his goal."

That same picture (basically) usually accompanies the story.


Can't find it with google - dammit.  Maybe it was all in my mind...
 
2013-03-17 06:19:18 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: ZeroCorpse: If you'd like a true Mars Experience, just follow me out to the Sahara Desert and let me choke you. I think that will be about the same as what awaits humans on Mars.

May not be best example.  Loads of people live in and pass through the Sahara and have been for thousands of years. Set up oases, or find natural ones, get your pre-adapted animals ready, good to go.


Fine. Gobi.

Or whatever. The point is it's an inhospitable place, and you won't be able to breathe on your own.
 
2013-03-17 06:22:45 PM

grinding_journalist: WeenerGord: What fuel?

1. Extract oxygen and hydrogen from water ice through electrolysis
2. Condense and liquefy
3. Rocket fuel

/yes, I know it's not that simple
//still, the resources are there, it's just nowhere near cost effective or safe enough




I've been biatching about this for years.

Humanity needs a more realistic "dream." Let's fix some shiat here. You know, starving kids and all. Ridiculous fantasy about some kind of interplanetary Jamestown is fricking retarded.
 
2013-03-17 06:26:21 PM

studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.


Problem solved. *Insert 3D-printer joke*
www.platformnation.com
 
2013-03-17 06:26:33 PM

Honest Bender: Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...


Well you see, it's very complicated... no, actually it's not.
It's because we have loads of infrastructure and expertise here that allows us to do it.  The technology doesn't get us there on its own, flying to Mars takes a slew of scientists and engineers to make it happen.


grinding_journalist: No, he meant to say it wasn't cost effective. As in, not cost effective to ship building materials, fuel condensers, construction equipment, technical facilities, spare parts, raw materials, etc. to Mars with the intent of shipping a dozen people back here


Even with all that equipment, they're missing all the people we have here on Earth that make that stuff work.
 
2013-03-17 06:28:37 PM

studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.


If only we had a way to produce massive amounts of carbon dioxide to promote a greenhouse effect... and then maybe some kind of device that converts CO2 into oxygen?  I hope some genius comes up with those things!
 
2013-03-17 06:34:11 PM

ReverendJynxed: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mad_Radhu: TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.

Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.

Like I said, there ain't shiat on the Moon currently worth exploiting, therefore no Moon colony.

Orly?
http://www.space.com/13247-moon-map-lunar-titanium.html


Titanium is one of the most common elements on Earth.  Hell, we paint houses with it and put it in toothpaste to make it whiter.

Titanium is only expensive because it takes great giant whopping shiatloads of power to refine it.  I understand that the Russians solved that little problem by just building nuclear power plants on-site.
 
2013-03-17 06:38:52 PM
It doesn't sound like there would be anything useful or gained in this whatsoever. I'd rather stay here where it's warm and die, watching tv or reading Fark.
 
2013-03-17 06:40:32 PM
images.amazon.com
 
2013-03-17 06:44:34 PM

Gawdzila: studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.

If only we had a way to produce massive amounts of carbon dioxide to promote a greenhouse effect... and then maybe some kind of device that converts CO2 into oxygen?  I hope some genius comes up with those things!


God did.
 
2013-03-17 06:50:24 PM
Oh I see what they're doing after reading the Mars-One website:

As successive Mars One Teams arrive, the settlement will grow in its capacity for scientific research, experiments, and exploration of Mars, with a minimum of four high definition video streams providing viewers on Earth with 24/7/365 engagement.

Hopefully not ppv. Maybe it'll be like Big Brother (in Space). Or Survivor. I'd probably watch though.
 
2013-03-17 06:52:45 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Humanity needs a more realistic "dream." Let's fix some shiat here. You know, starving kids and all. Ridiculous fantasy about some kind of interplanetary Jamestown is fricking retarded.


I hate this kind of complaint and I think it is wholly misguided and illogical.  It assumes that, just because there are some people who are dreaming of ways to get to Mars, that they're necessarily decreasing the attention we give to other concerns.  There are PLENTY of people who are trying to fix the starving kids problem, and their inability to fix it has nothing to do with NASA.  The people who are interested in rocket science aren't suddenly going to turn their attention to fixing economic woes just because you de-fund the space program, all it does is waste their talents.  You may not consider space exploration practical or necessary, but the fact of the matter is that it employs a lot of extremely intelligent people and they often invent a lot of extremely useful new technologies as by-products.
 
2013-03-17 06:54:44 PM

Gawdzila: studebaker hoch: [static02.mediaite.com image 550x408]

People don't realize how cold Mars is, because it's also so dry.

If Mars could somehow keep an Earth-like atmosphere and water, it would very closely Earth at the poles.

We can never terraform Mars into being habitable for humans unless we also find a way to heat it.

/cold as hell, etc.

If only we had a way to produce massive amounts of carbon dioxide to promote a greenhouse effect... and then maybe some kind of device that converts CO2 into oxygen?  I hope some genius comes up with those things!




Yeah, how much nitrogen is on Mar?
 
2013-03-17 06:56:17 PM

Gawdzila: StoPPeRmobile: Humanity needs a more realistic "dream." Let's fix some shiat here. You know, starving kids and all. Ridiculous fantasy about some kind of interplanetary Jamestown is fricking retarded.

I hate this kind of complaint and I think it is wholly misguided and illogical.  It assumes that, just because there are some people who are dreaming of ways to get to Mars, that they're necessarily decreasing the attention we give to other concerns.  There are PLENTY of people who are trying to fix the starving kids problem, and their inability to fix it has nothing to do with NASA.  The people who are interested in rocket science aren't suddenly going to turn their attention to fixing economic woes just because you de-fund the space program, all it does is waste their talents.  You may not consider space exploration practical or necessary, but the fact of the matter is that it employs a lot of extremely intelligent people and they often invent a lot of extremely useful new technologies as by-products.




I'm not talking about NASA, knucklehead.

I mean everything else. The PR campaign is what I have a problem with.
 
2013-03-17 06:58:26 PM

Mister Peejay: ReverendJynxed: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mad_Radhu: TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.

Because moon dust is basically made up of microscopic shards of rock and glass that haven't been softened up by erosion like on Earth, so they basically act like asbestos when you breathe them in, and the little jagged bits cause the dust to stick to everything, so it is hard as hell to keep it outside the colony. The cost of building and maintaining a lunar colony pales in comparison of the cost of the resulting mesothelioma settlement payout to the inhabitants.

Like I said, there ain't shiat on the Moon currently worth exploiting, therefore no Moon colony.

Orly?
http://www.space.com/13247-moon-map-lunar-titanium.html

Titanium is one of the most common elements on Earth.  Hell, we paint houses with it and put it in toothpaste to make it whiter.

Titanium is only expensive because it takes great giant whopping shiatloads of power to refine it.  I understand that the Russians solved that little problem by just building nuclear power plants on-site.


Just one example. If you cared to look more, there are other elements. All very desired on the planet.

Point still stands strong.
 
2013-03-17 06:58:55 PM

WippitGuud: God did.


Well to be fair, we're the ones who invented CO2-spewing engines and industrial processes.
 
2013-03-17 07:08:18 PM

Gawdzila: WippitGuud: God did.

Well to be fair, we're the ones who invented CO2-spewing engines and industrial processes.


Wait... that stuff warms the climate?

Why am I the first to hear about this?
 
2013-03-17 07:12:13 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Yeah, how much nitrogen is on Mar?


There's not much of ANYTHING in the Martian atmosphere.  If you're talking about making a breathable atmosphere, though, nitrogen isn't strictly necessary.  It just acts as a non-reactive "filler" gas that keeps the oxygen concentration from being toxic.
 
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