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2013-03-17 03:07:20 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.



Because the huge alien base on the far side of the moon will not let us land there again, duh
 
2013-03-17 03:07:45 PM  
Get your ashes to Mars.
 
2013-03-17 03:07:57 PM  
Sign me up!
reviews.in.88db.com
 
2013-03-17 03:09:31 PM  
What are the odds that every single person who's with you up there is someone you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life with?

Uh uh.  No way.  There's always an asshole.
 
2013-03-17 03:10:04 PM  
Im going to sign up, go, then murder everyone else as soon as I get there. I'll write a tale of how I am the one true god and savior of mars and leave my picture and some silly laws. yeah, thats the ticket.
 
2013-03-17 03:15:43 PM  

Parallax: What are the odds that every single person who's with you up there is someone you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life with?

Uh uh.  No way.  There's always an asshole.


doesn't matter if it's a subway or a camping trip - there's always one

When things are going smoothly, I'm always concerned that it's me.

Too bad sucka's hahahaha
 
2013-03-17 03:16:51 PM  
You're probably going to die long before you even get there.
 
2013-03-17 03:17:54 PM  
I call dibs on the sunny side of the planet.
 
2013-03-17 03:20:01 PM  

WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.

When I worked with NASA a few years back, before the mars mission was canned.. that was one of the foremost plans.  You send two rockets to mars: One big one filled with fuel, food, materials, and supplies.  No life support needed, you are just launching dead weight.  The second is smaller (and safer) containing just the crew, the lander/return vessel, and the life support needed for the trip.  You send the supplies ahead of time (to make sure they get there ok), and launch the crew right after... they have all the gear there and waiting for them...

/I was in life support research
//kinda CSB
 
2013-03-17 03:20:27 PM  
The never-to-return explorers will require eight years of training

They'll get a bunch of volunteers who decide to unvolunteer on day #3649.  But it's a noble Rush Limbaugh cause: The Interplanetary Media Group is a for-profit company which can secure investments, and manages the broadcasting rights of the training and launch of the astronauts, and their residence on Mars.
 
2013-03-17 03:22:50 PM  
I hope this works. Not only setting foot on, but actually setting up a permenant settlement on another planet would be the greatest human achievement of all time.
 
2013-03-17 03:22:58 PM  
I can only imagine what the TSA checkpoint will be like for an interplanetary flight...
 
2013-03-17 03:26:12 PM  

PhDemented: WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.
When I worked with NASA a few years back, before the mars mission was canned.. that was one of the foremost plans.  You send two rockets to mars: One big one filled with fuel, food, materials, and supplies.  No life support needed, you are just launching dead weight.  The second is smaller (and safer) containing just the crew, the lander/return vessel, and the life support needed for the trip.  You send the supplies ahead of time (to make sure they get there ok), and launch the crew right after... they have all the gear there and waiting for them...

/I was in life support research
//kinda CSB


I read the Red Mars series. Basically the same in concept, although the tech was slightly more advanced... don't know if we can do "air miners" yet.
 
2013-03-17 03:26:22 PM  
Ship all the supplies first.

Then the people.

The Earth orbit to Mars orbit to Earth orbit ship can be refuel led and reused.
You only(!!!) have to soft land a Mars surface to Mars orbit ship to allow
The crew to return.
Lower gravity, thinner atmosphere... You're already at 120,000 feet at takeoff!

At least on Mars an air compressor and a greenhouse gets you a breathable atmosphere!
 
2013-03-17 03:26:53 PM  
'Don't cry baby. Knew this was one way ticket, but you know I had to come.'
 
2013-03-17 03:27:18 PM  

The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight: Just don't drink the water.


What red Martian people might look like
www.cksfilmes.com /Suck, Virginia
 
2013-03-17 03:28:09 PM  

WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.


Fuel could be shipped or manufactured locally, what we lack is the socioeconomic WILL.  We went to the moon to beat the Russians, we'd probably go to Mars and back if we hadn't found a new enemy in ourselves.  Ever since Laffer the new cold war has been the Aristocracy against the middle class.  We can't afford to build a rocket ship and start a lunar colony because the noise might upset the local nobility and because the taxes involved are *far* to onerous and the idea of government jobs that might not go to your state are something to be fought tooth-and-nail.
 
2013-03-17 03:28:45 PM  

Stone Meadow: Jon iz teh kewl: xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.

neither is Jupiter
maybe we should 3D print a planet

Why settle for a planet?


I am reading the Ringworld series so I am getting a kick. Good books, liked Niven since I read Lucifer's Hammer.
 
2013-03-17 03:31:08 PM  

PhDemented: WippitGuud: jack21221: Honest Bender: ...Yeah it does.  Maybe you meant to say it isn't cost effective?  Or maybe you'd like to explain how we can leave Earth and land on another planet, yet can't seem to leave Mars and land on another planet...

Are you saying that Mars has a launching pad and more fuel for us?

Maybe ship the fuel?

If you can land people there, why not land gas can.
When I worked with NASA a few years back, before the mars mission was canned.. that was one of the foremost plans.  You send two rockets to mars: One big one filled with fuel, food, materials, and supplies.  No life support needed, you are just launching dead weight.  The second is smaller (and safer) containing just the crew, the lander/return vessel, and the life support needed for the trip.  You send the supplies ahead of time (to make sure they get there ok), and launch the crew right after... they have all the gear there and waiting for them...

/I was in life support research
//kinda CSB


Cool, and sad.

The "canceled" part especially sad.
 
2013-03-17 03:31:51 PM  
I don't get it. Why is he doing this? Is this some kind of a research thing?
If so, he needs a large enough sample size. He should try to recruit at least 13.1% of the US population for meaningful data.
 
2013-03-17 03:38:11 PM  
The case for Mars.  An interesting read, and outlines pretty well why Mars is a better choice for a viable colony than the Moon.

And if they had asked for volunteers when I was fresh out of high school, I would have signed up without a second thought.  Now I don't think my wife would be particularly pleased.
 
2013-03-17 03:38:17 PM  

bim1154: Only way I'd do this would be if there was an over abundance of hot chicks, drugs, booze, and farking good bbq every day.


There is an area like that in my town.  Well, the chicks aren't that hot but you dont have to leave the planet.
 
2013-03-17 03:41:14 PM  
I'd love to go to Mars. Or even a colony on the moon. There is one problem with it being a one way trip.

BEER!!!!!!
 
2013-03-17 03:44:18 PM  

mat catastrophe: I speak for all sane humans when I say that we should send all the libertarians.


And anarchists.  And really anyone who wants to reinvent the societal wheel.
 
2013-03-17 03:45:42 PM  

Parallax: Uh uh.  No way.  There's always an asshole.


oyster.ignimgs.com
 
2013-03-17 03:50:45 PM  
I saw a ww2 movie once where allied soldiers had to blow up a wire barricade on a beach while under heavy fire.One soldier would drag a tube shaped explosive toward the obstacle until they got shot then another soldier would run up and continue carrying the device toward the obstacle until THEY got killed.On this went untill the goal was accomplished.

 Prepare the steps,materials,technology et al for constructing a sustainable habitation module on Mars THEN seek out volunteers willing to go on suicide missions ,one after another to accomplish the goal. In two hundred years when Mars has a few dozen dome cities and a pop. around 500 million there will be a national park built around the original module with an oblisk carved of native stone with the names of the sacrificial astronaut/settlers.
I could accept such a fate.
 
2013-03-17 03:51:58 PM  
"The town's empty, but we found native life in the hills, sir. Dark people. Yellow eyes. Martians. Very friendly. We talked a bit, not much. They learn English fast. I'm sure our relations will be most friendly with them, sir."
 
2013-03-17 03:53:14 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Never make it there. And even if you did miraculously manage to somehow, your brain would be so destroyed by radiation you'd just sit there staring at the sun and drooling until you starved to death.


Half-baked, goggle-box do-gooders go around telling everybody it's bad for you.  Pernicious nonsense!

/Enjoying the view up there on your petard?
 
2013-03-17 03:53:31 PM  

SuddenlySamhain: I saw a ww2 movie once where allied soldiers had to blow up a wire barricade on a beach while under heavy fire.One soldier would drag a tube shaped explosive toward the obstacle until they got shot then another soldier would run up and continue carrying the device toward the obstacle until THEY got killed.On this went untill the goal was accomplished.

 Prepare the steps,materials,technology et al for constructing a sustainable habitation module on Mars THEN seek out volunteers willing to go on suicide missions ,one after another to accomplish the goal. In two hundred years when Mars has a few dozen dome cities and a pop. around 500 million there will be a national park built around the original module with an oblisk carved of native stone with the names of the sacrificial astronaut/settlers.
I could accept such a fate.


Be a hell of a lot better than sitting in an old folks home wishing the damn grandkids would visit.
 
2013-03-17 03:55:15 PM  

Pick: Does Mars have a 2nd Amendment in it's Constituition?

What are the tax laws on Mars?

Is Mars a democracy or a dictatorship?

How much are property taxes on Mars?

Is the food good and inexpensive there?

These questions and many more need to be answered before I commit.




I'd imagine a mars colony would have the rules of whichever nation sent it.
If it was put there by a corporation or some private venture, things might get interesting.
What if they enact rules that offend people on earth?
Would they be respected as a nation?
Would earth based governments put pressure on their mother corporations to affect mars policies?

If this thing runs by the current rules, I'd imagine something horribly PC.
No guns, no sex, no alcohol, no blackjack, no private enterprise or economy to speak of, leaders appointed by earth, rulings from offworld judges and juries, etc...
It would be interesting to see what they actually do with independence, if it ever comes to that.
 
2013-03-17 03:55:45 PM  
Where do I sign up to be sent into a black hole? I want to watch the universe die before my very eyes.
 
2013-03-17 03:57:37 PM  
If you'd like a true Mars Experience, just follow me out to the Sahara Desert and let me choke you. I think that will be about the same as what awaits humans on Mars.
 
2013-03-17 03:57:57 PM  
Reminded me of:

kinoprostir.com

"How'd you like to be the first person to die on Mars?"
 
2013-03-17 04:00:50 PM  
hipatia.no.sapo.pt
 
2013-03-17 04:08:48 PM  

way south: Pick: Does Mars have a 2nd Amendment in it's Constituition?

What are the tax laws on Mars?

Is Mars a democracy or a dictatorship?

How much are property taxes on Mars?

Is the food good and inexpensive there?

These questions and many more need to be answered before I commit.

I'd imagine a mars colony would have the rules of whichever nation sent it.
If it was put there by a corporation or some private venture, things might get interesting.
What if they enact rules that offend people on earth?
Would they be respected as a nation?
Would earth based governments put pressure on their mother corporations to affect mars policies?

If this thing runs by the current rules, I'd imagine something horribly PC.
No guns, no sex, no alcohol, no blackjack, no private enterprise or economy to speak of, leaders appointed by earth, rulings from offworld judges and juries, etc...
It would be interesting to see what they actually do with independence, if it ever comes to that.


And if mars folks "misbehave", who exactly from earth is going to come after them?  It seems to me that what happens on mars stays on mars.  On one way voyages such as this, quite literally.
 
2013-03-17 04:09:26 PM  

ultraholland: See you at the party, Richter!


That's the plan.
 
2013-03-17 04:11:37 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.


You'd have to evict a bunch of ww2 era Germans first...
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-03-17 04:14:07 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: mat catastrophe: I speak for all sane humans when I say that we should send all the libertarians.

Give them a whole planet, I say. Let them have their fantasy land there.

I say the same about the Space Nutters. I just want to make sure there's a reliable video link so I can watch them scream and cry and beg to come back to this "mud ball". I say we don't let them.


Let's send the "faithful" and continue with the rest of your plan.
 
2013-03-17 04:15:26 PM  

sporkme: Stone Meadow: Jon iz teh kewl: xanadian: Mars is no place to raise your kids.

neither is Jupiter
maybe we should 3D print a planet

Why settle for a planet?

I am reading the Ringworld series so I am getting a kick. Good books, liked Niven since I read Lucifer's Hammer.


I had never heard of Niven until I returned from Peace Corps service in 1980, when I purchased a paperback copy of Ringworld (which I still have and have read many times). Since then I've purchased and read nearly everything he's written. Not a convention-going fanboy, mind you, tho I do support by favorite artists by buying copies of their words.

/when you need a break from RW read Destiny's Road for a complete change of Niven pace...
 
2013-03-17 04:15:37 PM  

Parallax: What are the odds that every single person who's with you up there is someone you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your life with?

Uh uh.  No way.  There's always an asshole.


Sometime you need a mirror to see them.
 
2013-03-17 04:20:32 PM  

WeenerGord: What fuel?


1. Extract oxygen and hydrogen from water ice through electrolysis
2. Condense and liquefy
3. Rocket fuel

/yes, I know it's not that simple
//still, the resources are there, it's just nowhere near cost effective or safe enough
 
2013-03-17 04:20:38 PM  
BTW, here is a list of  10 Sci-Fi books that need to be made into movies.

/also a good list to flesh out your sci-fi reading if you haven't read them all
 
2013-03-17 04:24:16 PM  
hey my job as a telephone sanitizer is pretty boring I'd be willing to get on a one-way spaceship.
 
2013-03-17 04:29:33 PM  

SuddenlySamhain: I saw a ww2 movie once where allied soldiers had to blow up a wire barricade on a beach while under heavy fire.One soldier would drag a tube shaped explosive toward the obstacle until they got shot then another soldier would run up and continue carrying the device toward the obstacle until THEY got killed.On this went untill the goal was accomplished.

 Prepare the steps,materials,technology et al for constructing a sustainable habitation module on Mars THEN seek out volunteers willing to go on suicide missions ,one after another to accomplish the goal. In two hundred years when Mars has a few dozen dome cities and a pop. around 500 million there will be a national park built around the original module with an oblisk carved of native stone with the names of the sacrificial astronaut/settlers.
I could accept such a fate.


In my head I have developed a machine that could build those domes.

If only people would listen...
...and by listen, I mean fund a prototype.
 
2013-03-17 04:33:49 PM  

WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]


Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?
 
2013-03-17 04:36:11 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Why haven't we tried to build a permenantly habitated base on the moon yet? It seems.like we could learn a lot about the potential struggles of a settlement on Mars, but for a lot less money, and with the potential to being people back is there is major problem at the base.



Maybe they have.  The pure scientists types.  If there was anything on the Moon to exploit efficiently, we'd already be up there and the moon would be a quarter to half of its size now.  No one went to the moon for the science, they went for the money.
 
2013-03-17 04:37:12 PM  

trapped-in-CH: hey my job as a telephone sanitizer is pretty boring I'd be willing to get on a one-way spaceship.



So that I don't have to look for a job.

images1.wikia.nocookie.net

/Well, hey, I didn't spend all those years playing Dungeons and Dragons and not learn a little something about courage.
 
2013-03-17 04:37:39 PM  

Stone Meadow: BTW, here is a list of  10 Sci-Fi books that need to be made into movies.

/also a good list to flesh out your sci-fi reading if you haven't read them all


Thanks. Check out Peter F Hamilton's Void series as well.
 
2013-03-17 04:40:09 PM  

miniflea: The case for Mars.  An interesting read, and outlines pretty well why Mars is a better choice for a viable colony than the Moon.

And if they had asked for volunteers when I was fresh out of high school, I would have signed up without a second thought.  Now I don't think my wife would be particularly pleased.


Not even for the payout from the life insurance policy?
 
2013-03-17 04:40:53 PM  

DanInKansas: WeenerGord: [hipatia.no.sapo.pt image 750x324]

Okay, I'll bite: where does this sad, lonely, compelling picture come from?  Is this a movie I should have seen by now?


YES.

media.tumblr.com

an even sadder, lonelier pic but too obvious with the title in the pic
 
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