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2013-03-17 12:25:49 PM
Let me guess, King? *clicks link* yup...at least I can say I voted against him
 
2013-03-17 12:26:48 PM
The status of immigrants is hardly an indicator of their political views. Hispanics are generally conservative, not that this guy has ever given it any thought.

Just keep shrinking the tent and then wonder why you're not getting the votes...
 
2013-03-17 12:32:07 PM
...pathway to citizenship is Republican suicide

That would make this guy Jim Jones:

z.about.com
 
2013-03-17 12:42:05 PM
This assumes that undocumented immigrants have the correct number of chromosomes.
 
2013-03-17 01:29:15 PM
The Republicans don't need any help with committing party suicide, they are doing just fine on their own by having people like King, Akin, Ryan, Palin speaking in public.

/Left the party over 10 years ago, haven't looked back
 
2013-03-17 01:29:51 PM
Really strange since undocumented immigrants can't vote. http://immigration.about.com/od/immigrationlawandpolicy/f/Elctns_Elgb l ty.htm
 
MFK
2013-03-17 01:31:12 PM
Why leads you to that conclusion, Steve? Could it be that you and your party has made something of a cottage industry out of shiatting on these people? Go fark yourself, you xenophobic asshole
 
2013-03-17 01:33:18 PM

buzzcut73: The Republicans don't need any help with committing party suicide, they are doing just fine on their own by having people like King, Akin, Ryan, Palin speaking in public.


And yet we still are looking at polls that show them holding the house and possibly re-taking the Senate next year.
 
2013-03-17 01:34:28 PM

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: Really strange since undocumented immigrants can't vote. http://immigration.about.com/od/immigrationlawandpolicy/f/Elctns_Elgb l ty.htm


You get out of here with your facts!
 
2013-03-17 01:35:01 PM
Oh, really? Then by all means, please proceed, Republicans.
 
2013-03-17 01:35:06 PM
edmo: The status of immigrants is hardly an indicator of their political views. Hispanics are generally conservative, not that this guy has ever given it any thought.

That's popular to say, and to whatever degree it's true, it doesn't matter, because they don't vote that way. Probably because immigrants, legal and illegal are generally pretty far down the economic scale and Democrats are a lot more generous at shoveling money in their direction. People will put
 
2013-03-17 01:35:32 PM

AntiNerd: And yet we still are looking at polls that show them holding the house and possibly re-taking the Senate next year.


A few years ago they showed Generic Republican winning the presidency, but we all know what happened.
 
2013-03-17 01:35:42 PM
their views on abortion aside in favor of more money.
 
2013-03-17 01:37:09 PM

jjorsett: Hispanics are generally conservative


I keep hearing this and then they go and vote democrat 3 - 1.  will someone please explain it to me?

jjorsett: Democrats are a lot more generous at shoveling money in their direction.


We have a whole thread below devoted to this derp.. don't make me do this again.
 
2013-03-17 01:37:29 PM

edmo: The status of immigrants is hardly an indicator of their political views. Hispanics are generally conservative, not that this guy has ever given it any thought.

Just keep shrinking the tent and then wonder why you're not getting the votes...


I always hear this "Latinos are conservative" thrown out there but rarely is it substantiated. Sure, on some social issues Latinos in particular parts of the country may lean conservative, but when it comes to fiscal matters, they tend not to be.
 
2013-03-17 01:37:31 PM

AntiNerd: buzzcut73: The Republicans don't need any help with committing party suicide, they are doing just fine on their own by having people like King, Akin, Ryan, Palin speaking in public.

And yet we still are looking at polls that show them holding the house and possibly re-taking the Senate next year.


The GOP was supposed to retake the Senate in 2010 and in 2012.

I am sure that they will find a way to fark up their chances again come 2014.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 01:37:31 PM

edmo: The status of immigrants is hardly an indicator of their political views. Hispanics are generally conservative, not that this guy has ever given it any thought.

Just keep shrinking the tent and then wonder why you're not getting the votes...


I don't think they are real big on the "brown people suck" and the "kill the poor" parts.
 
2013-03-17 01:39:54 PM

themindiswatching: AntiNerd: And yet we still are looking at polls that show them holding the house and possibly re-taking the Senate next year.

A few years ago they showed Generic Republican winning the presidency, but we all know what happened.


Alternate Fantasy Universe: I sure wish our economy would stop being so damn prosperous. I never would have voted for Generic White Republican if I knew it would mean so many solid gold dalmatian statues!
 
2013-03-17 01:40:09 PM
No way, really, and here I thought that Democrats were trying to get them legal status out of the kindness of their hearts. If the situation were reversed and they were likely to vote Republican the vast majority of liberals would suddenly find a reason they needed to be deported yesterday and the conservatives would adopt the 'good hard working people' line.

And I would still be on the GTFO and come back legally side.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 01:41:08 PM
coco ebert:

I always hear this "Latinos are conservative" thrown out there but rarely is it substantiated. Sure, on some social issues Latinos in particular parts of the country may lean conservative, but when it comes to fiscal matters, they tend not to be.

They are mostly Catholic so they tend to be anti abortion and such, but they are also pro-education and for national health-care and not so militaristic.
 
2013-03-17 01:41:26 PM

randomjsa: No way, really, and here I thought that Democrats were trying to get them legal status out of the kindness of their hearts. If the situation were reversed and they were likely to vote Republican the vast majority of liberals would suddenly find a reason they needed to be deported yesterday and the conservatives would adopt the 'good hard working people' line.


When in doubt, project.
 
2013-03-17 01:42:26 PM

vpb: coco ebert:

I always hear this "Latinos are conservative" thrown out there but rarely is it substantiated. Sure, on some social issues Latinos in particular parts of the country may lean conservative, but when it comes to fiscal matters, they tend not to be.

They are mostly Catholic so they tend to be anti abortion and such, but they are also pro-education and for national health-care and not so militaristic.


It was because of that and similar held beliefs by African-Americans, Prop 8 was able to pass in California.
 
2013-03-17 01:43:31 PM

Sir-Marx-A-Lot: Really strange since undocumented immigrants can't vote. http://immigration.about.com/od/immigrationlawandpolicy/f/Elctns_Elgb l ty.htm


But their documented family members and eventually their children will. And do you think their children and friends will vote for Republicans after the way they have treated them? No, so that's why they must continue to treat them poorly. It's like a vicious deadliest catch triangle in the 22 circles of Soros.
 
2013-03-17 01:44:25 PM
People are more likely to vote for the party that doesn't demonize their race/religion/culture?

[youdontsay.jpg]
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 01:48:37 PM

randomjsa: No way, really, and here I thought that Democrats were trying to get them legal status out of the kindness of their hearts. If the situation were reversed and they were likely to vote Republican the vast majority of liberals would suddenly find a reason they needed to be deported yesterday and the conservatives would adopt the 'good hard working people' line.


Except that the fact that Democrats aren't racists who hate them is WHY they they vote for Democrats.

You have the cause and effect reversed.
 
2013-03-17 01:51:32 PM
Haven't the repubs already committed political suicide? At this point it's just the corpse flopping around. I guess if you've written off blacks, Hispanics, young people, women and gays (interestingly, the repubs have not yet specifically insulted Asians and Jews the way they have the others, yet both groups still stay away in droves--kinda tells you something, huh?) , then it really doesn't matter if you tell the Hispanics  to go screw. Repub votes would never get anywhere near the 50% mark anyway, so why not have a little fun with them as your ship of state sinks slowly beneath the waves?  The real danger now is the Republican Suicide Pact with America. Sure, let's force austerity on America, look how great it's working in Europe! The repubs are desperate. When the libertarian and Tea Party wings defect in a few years after the next round of political disasters they will cease to exist, they know it, and their hatred and contempt for an America which has soundly rejected their fake principles leads them to an attitude of "If we can't run the country nobody gets to run the country." Karl Rove and Paul Ryan will fiddle while America burns.
 
2013-03-17 01:52:44 PM

Mrtraveler01: vpb: coco ebert:

I always hear this "Latinos are conservative" thrown out there but rarely is it substantiated. Sure, on some social issues Latinos in particular parts of the country may lean conservative, but when it comes to fiscal matters, they tend not to be.

They are mostly Catholic so they tend to be anti abortion and such, but they are also pro-education and for national health-care and not so militaristic.

It was because of that and similar held beliefs by African-Americans, Prop 8 was able to pass in California.


LOTS of white people voted for Prop 8 and it was funded largely through Mormon funds. I'm not saying all of the Mormon Church is white, but it's fair to say that most of its parishioners are.
 
2013-03-17 01:57:56 PM
You know, this makes so much more sense now -- the Republicans have been working so hard to make America a terrible place to live so that immigrants will pack up and "self-deport".  They're the real heroes here, you see.
 
2013-03-17 02:02:21 PM

jjorsett: edmo: The status of immigrants is hardly an indicator of their political views. Hispanics are generally conservative, not that this guy has ever given it any thought.

That's popular to say, and to whatever degree it's true, it doesn't matter, because they don't vote that way. Probably because immigrants, legal and illegal are generally pretty far down the economic scale and Democrats are a lot more generous at shoveling money in their direction. People will put


Well, I just can't understand why calling people lazy freeloaders doesn't win the GOP any votes.

Maybe they should push the "rich people should be richer" angle.  See how that works.
 
2013-03-17 02:03:49 PM
Hello GOPers.

I'm here to help you deal with this reality that scares you and worries you.

First, there's a couple of things that you're going to need to simply accept:

1) It will not be long before there are enough non-white people in this country to completely negate and invalidate the old, scared and angry white voting block even down to the state level.

2) There's nothing you can do to stop it.

At this point, you're faced with two choices.  You can adapt, or you can die out as a party.

If you intend to adapt, then you have to violently purge your party of the xenophobes, racists, bigots and white supremacists.  You have to do so publicly, loudly, and as repeatedly as necessary until they've drifted to the fringe and gone silent.  While you're at it, you can also expunge the sexist remnants that remain more focused on 'rape rape' than fixing the nation's problems.

If you do not do these things, your party WILL die.  This is not a threat, this is not a prediction, this is the flow of history and the rational, logical end result of relying solely upon the old white scared portion of this country as your foundation.

Either way, the party you know and remember will no longer exists in a decade or two.  It'll either devolve down to the level of a regional party with strongholds at the city/county level, ceding all state/national power to the Democrats...Or it'll have morphed into a party more closely resembling the current Democratic party than anything else.

The choice is yours.
 
2013-03-17 02:06:25 PM
HEY GOP:
dailybail.com
 
2013-03-17 02:06:49 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: People are more likely to vote for the party that doesn't demonize their race/religion/culture?

[youdontsay.jpg]


How is it a problem to address and ameliorate a vast demographic change? I don't see much to worry about in criticizing Latino immigrants for being unskilled individuals with a high propensity to reproduce. They're indoctrinated in Catholic superstition with regard to their religious persuasion. I'm not a Republican and definitely not a Christian, but I somewhat support his position on this; although, his base reasoning is total BS. He is basing this on future elections and potential voters -- not on anything meaningful outside of political sports watching.
 
2013-03-17 02:08:48 PM
If all of this means more Republica Deportiva, then I'm all for it.

i242.photobucket.com
 
2013-03-17 02:08:54 PM
Pathway to citizenship would mean the death of the current Republican Party?

I'm okay with that.

We need a new Republican Party.  One that doesn't pander to bigots, racists, homophobes, and ignoramuses.
 
2013-03-17 02:09:19 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: jjorsett: Hispanics are generally conservative

I keep hearing this and then they go and vote democrat 3 - 1.  will someone please explain it to me?

jjorsett: Democrats are a lot more generous at shoveling money in their direction.

We have a whole thread below devoted to this derp.. don't make me do this again.


McCain and Bush were starting to closing the gap (southwestern Republicans who weren't spewing venom all the time about Hispanics during the campaign) then Romney and the 2012 campaign (mostly east coast and southern Republicans- Build a wall!! More patrols!!!! Taking oour jerbs!!!!) and they all ran away

/Who knew
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-03-17 02:11:33 PM

Tabak: Sock Ruh Tease: People are more likely to vote for the party that doesn't demonize their race/religion/culture?

[youdontsay.jpg]

How is it a problem to address and ameliorate a vast demographic change? I don't see much to worry about in criticizing Latino immigrants for being unskilled individuals with a high propensity to reproduce. They're indoctrinated in Catholic superstition with regard to their religious persuasion. I'm not a Republican and definitely not a Christian, but I somewhat support his position on this; although, his base reasoning is total BS. He is basing this on future elections and potential voters -- not on anything meaningful outside of political sports watching.


So, you don't like the Irish or Italians either?
 
2013-03-17 02:12:15 PM
He right, but that's a stupid and cynical reason to approach the problem, and ultimately a self-fullfilling prophecy since some form of amnesty is inevitable
 
m00
2013-03-17 02:14:01 PM

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: No way, really, and here I thought that Democrats were trying to get them legal status out of the kindness of their hearts. If the situation were reversed and they were likely to vote Republican the vast majority of liberals would suddenly find a reason they needed to be deported yesterday and the conservatives would adopt the 'good hard working people' line.

When in doubt, project.


No, he's right. If most immigrants were expected to vote Republican then the following would happen:

1) MSNBC every day would be talking about how they are invading our country with guns & god.
2) Democratic politicians would be going on these shows as guests and talking up the dangers of illegal immigration, how it stresses welfare systems, how it undercuts the concept of a living wage, etc.
3) Fox news and Republican talking heads would say the opposite
4) Liberals and conservatives in general would internalize the talking points, and form the very strong opinions the media tells them. Not because they are dumb or sheep, but because the media is very, very good at propaganda and brainwashing.
 
2013-03-17 02:14:04 PM

Infernalist: Hello GOPers.

I'm here to help you deal with this reality that scares you and worries you.

First, there's a couple of things that you're going to need to simply accept:

1) It will not be long before there are enough non-white people in this country to completely negate and invalidate the old, scared and angry white voting block even down to the state level.

2) There's nothing you can do to stop it.

At this point, you're faced with two choices.  You can adapt, or you can die out as a party.

If you intend to adapt, then you have to violently purge your party of the xenophobes, racists, bigots and white supremacists.  You have to do so publicly, loudly, and as repeatedly as necessary until they've drifted to the fringe and gone silent.  While you're at it, you can also expunge the sexist remnants that remain more focused on 'rape rape' than fixing the nation's problems.

If you do not do these things, your party WILL die.  This is not a threat, this is not a prediction, this is the flow of history and the rational, logical end result of relying solely upon the old white scared portion of this country as your foundation.

Either way, the party you know and remember will no longer exists in a decade or two.  It'll either devolve down to the level of a regional party with strongholds at the city/county level, ceding all state/national power to the Democrats...Or it'll have morphed into a party more closely resembling the current Democratic party than anything else.

The choice is yours.


The scary thing about this is the author of it considers themselves intelligent and no doubt votes.

I do like the reference to "rape rape" and the GOP though because it was a liberal who coined it to defend the drugging and raping of a child which she described as not "rape rape".
 
m00
2013-03-17 02:17:34 PM

Mrbogey: I do like the reference to "rape rape" and the GOP though because it was a liberal who coined it to defend the drugging and raping of a child which she described as not "rape rape".


It was Whoopi Goldberg defending Roman Polanski. See, this is a great example of the hypocrisy. Republicans are the party of blaming the victim, unless it's a Liberal defending another Liberal. Then it's okay to blame the victim.
 
2013-03-17 02:17:49 PM
Making the options for the GOP:
1) Die of cancer
2) Die of suicide

Hurry up already and choose.
 
2013-03-17 02:18:29 PM

Mrbogey: The scary thing about this is the author of it considers themselves intelligent and no doubt votes.


You're right.  The GOP is doing great.

Keep up the good work, guys.

I do like the reference to "rape rape" and the GOP though because it was a liberal who coined it to defend the drugging and raping of a child which she described as not "rape rape".

I do like that you think that matters.  Akin should have defended himself by pointing that out.  He totally would have won.
 
2013-03-17 02:19:35 PM

Mrbogey: Infernalist: Hello GOPers.

I'm here to help you deal with this reality that scares you and worries you.

First, there's a couple of things that you're going to need to simply accept:

1) It will not be long before there are enough non-white people in this country to completely negate and invalidate the old, scared and angry white voting block even down to the state level.

2) There's nothing you can do to stop it.

At this point, you're faced with two choices.  You can adapt, or you can die out as a party.

If you intend to adapt, then you have to violently purge your party of the xenophobes, racists, bigots and white supremacists.  You have to do so publicly, loudly, and as repeatedly as necessary until they've drifted to the fringe and gone silent.  While you're at it, you can also expunge the sexist remnants that remain more focused on 'rape rape' than fixing the nation's problems.

If you do not do these things, your party WILL die.  This is not a threat, this is not a prediction, this is the flow of history and the rational, logical end result of relying solely upon the old white scared portion of this country as your foundation.

Either way, the party you know and remember will no longer exists in a decade or two.  It'll either devolve down to the level of a regional party with strongholds at the city/county level, ceding all state/national power to the Democrats...Or it'll have morphed into a party more closely resembling the current Democratic party than anything else.

The choice is yours.

The scary thing about this is the author of it considers themselves intelligent and no doubt votes.

I do like the reference to "rape rape" and the GOP though because it was a liberal who coined it to defend the drugging and raping of a child which she described as not "rape rape".


When you have to attack the messenger instead of the message, you're effectively waving the white flag and whimpering 'please stop hurting me, I give up.'
 
2013-03-17 02:20:54 PM

m00: It was Whoopi Goldberg defending Roman Polanski. See, this is a great example of the hypocrisy. Republicans are the party of blaming the victim, unless it's a Liberal defending another Liberal. Then it's okay to blame the victim.


I'm glad Whoopi and Roman both ran for political office...
 
2013-03-17 02:21:41 PM
They're damned if they do, damned if they don't.  The illegals here are still having kids, and those kids, when they reach 18 will remember which party made their parents' lives as difficult as possible.  They will see which party made it difficult for their foreign born siblings to become citizens, even when those foreign born siblings served in the military and came over when they were too young to have any say in the matter.  Such is political life.
 
2013-03-17 02:22:13 PM

clambam: Haven't the repubs already committed political suicide? At this point it's just the corpse flopping around.


Not exactly.  Republicans will be around for many years to come.  If/when it becomes clear that they will never win another presidency (probably more when than if at this point), they can still stick around in the House for a decade or so. That's what the National Republicans did when they never won, and what the Whig party did after Taylor was the last Whig that won.
 
2013-03-17 02:23:21 PM

Doktor_Zhivago: m00: It was Whoopi Goldberg defending Roman Polanski. See, this is a great example of the hypocrisy. Republicans are the party of blaming the victim, unless it's a Liberal defending another Liberal. Then it's okay to blame the victim.

I'm glad Whoopi and Roman both ran for political office...


I'm proud to say I voted against them both! And I'm a Liberal!
 
2013-03-17 02:24:09 PM
That poor chicken!
 
2013-03-17 02:24:27 PM

andrewagill: clambam: Haven't the repubs already committed political suicide? At this point it's just the corpse flopping around.

Not exactly.  Republicans will be around for many years to come.  If/when it becomes clear that they will never win another presidency (probably more when than if at this point), they can still stick around in the House for a decade or so. That's what the National Republicans did when they never won, and what the Whig party did after Taylor was the last Whig that won.


Even so, they'll eventually dwindle in support as people jump to a party that has a real shot at winning the Presidency, as they realize if you don't hold that, you have no chance of seeing policy shaped your way
 
2013-03-17 02:25:41 PM

Mrtraveler01: randomjsa: No way, really, and here I thought that Democrats were trying to get them legal status out of the kindness of their hearts. If the situation were reversed and they were likely to vote Republican the vast majority of liberals would suddenly find a reason they needed to be deported yesterday and the conservatives would adopt the 'good hard working people' line.

When in doubt, project.


Well it is what hes paid to do.
 
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