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2013-03-17 03:51:52 PM
Well, my ignore list sure got long. Lot of really nasty crap in this thread.
 
2013-03-17 03:54:55 PM

Aigoo: It's passive-aggressive blaming


Nope.
 
2013-03-17 04:02:50 PM

ChimbleySweep: InitialCommentGuy: ChimbleySweep: I hope you (and the others who share your sentiment) aren't among the Farkers who, in other threads, biatch about the damn feminazis thinking everything with a penis is a rapist. Ditto the Farkers mocking fundie Islamists who believe women should all be in burkas lest they ignite the passions of the menfolk with a sexy ankle and force those men to rape them.

All things are always the same. Always.

You seem limited.

The other guy was saying men are raging hornballs led around by their dicks, and wimminfolk best stay inside if they don't want to be getting raped. Islamists say women need to be covered up head to toe so that their hornball men don't feel incited to rape them. So-called feminazis are said to consider all men are hornballs who only listen to their dicks and therefore should all be considered rapists. All such radically different things!


I do believe I was saying that women folk best not get comatose drunk to help protect themselves against being raped at parties with horny drunk juveniles.  But I could be wrong, maybe I was saying what you were implying instead.
 
2013-03-17 04:03:58 PM
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2013-03-17 04:05:37 PM

Madbassist1: I should be in the kitchen: Madbassist1: Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.

 Males are always responsible for their actions, dumbass. Only females get the free pass.

If a group of females gang raped a teen boy, I'd expect there to be consequences as well.

There is never any excuse to rape, EVER. I don't care how someone is dressed or what they've consumed, don't farking rape. Is that so goddamn hard to understand?

Except I dont think that's what happened. I think she was a willing participant and passed out after the fact. Just my opinion based on what I know. I havent followed it on Nancy Grace or anything.


If you're correct, it's certainly too bad for the two offenders that the defense could not scrape up a single witness who would have testified that the complainant consented, isn't it?
 
2013-03-17 04:06:19 PM

Aigoo: No offense, but if I was your cousin, I would tell whoever was saying that shiat to shut the fark up. It is victim blaming. It's passive-aggressive blaming of your cousin for driving on a road she had every right to drive on, perfectly sober when some other jackass broke the law and injured her through no fault of her own.


It's risk assessment.

You don't want to go walking through urban neighborhoods with cash hanging out of your pocket at night, either. That doesn't mean you're not a victim when you get robbed by gangsters, it means that you should consider your environment and its risks.

It reminds me of a few weeks ago, when all the Portlandia chicks I know started biatching because a college was offering rape prevention seminars to freshmen. They biatched because, they said, we should just be telling men not to rape women and leave it at that.

These seminars tell girls not to walk alone at night, where to run to get help, make them aware of the campus escort services, tell them not to be trusting of strangers on campus, etc., to lower the risk defensively -- all very helpful, non-blaming information -- yet the feministas biatched and thought telling inherently violent lawbreakers to be nice would be more effective.
 
2013-03-17 04:07:33 PM
The case roiled the small city and stirred reaction from activists online.

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Dusty the Cat.

4chan forgot.  4chan forgave.

It was sent back to the kid, who went unpunished.

It's dead now.  "Old age".

It was 6 years old.
 
2013-03-17 04:19:55 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Drunk people never have consensual sex? I guess I'm guilty of raping my girlfriend about 237 times.


Yeah but you and your girlfriend have a reasonable expectation.
 
2013-03-17 04:22:05 PM

Oldiron_79: Wow there is a good flame war here. I didn't keep up with this one so I haven't a clue whether there was rape or whether it was "girl pissed that there was pics and changed her mind about being consentual after the fact"


You do realize that there are still stories available online about this, including some from way back in the beginning, right?
 
2013-03-17 04:24:28 PM

Trixie212: Both of my daughters are wonderful, responsible, self-reliant women and I'm very proud of both of them. One served in our military and is now in nursing school and the other is raising a wonderful family.


They are this way in spite of their mother, not because of their mother.
 
2013-03-17 04:25:56 PM

tirob: If you're correct, it's certainly too bad for the two offenders that the defense could not scrape up a single witness who would have testified that the complainant consented, isn't it?


Id certainly say so, yes.
 
2013-03-17 04:26:44 PM

Tak the Hideous New Girl: Trixie212: Tak the Hideous New Girl: I have sons and I gave daughters and I've tried to imagine how I would feel if it was any of my kids who were involved in this. My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have understood her being hurt and upset and I know she would have had to deal with the consequences for a long time.

See Trixie, this is why people think you are a horrible person (for the record I think you are a horrible person too).

You have a crying, traumatized girl (your daughter!) who's worried that she got a disease or is pregnant, is terrified that there pictures of her shame are all over Twitter or Facebook (something I did not have to worry about back in the dinosaur age, thank goodness), and your reaction is to tell your daughter, "Too bad, so sad, you should have made better choices."

I already understood what people thought. You're entitled to feel the way you do. I've been on Fark for a number of years and have taken exception to a lot of things people have said but I've never told anyone they were a horrible person.

I am being unfair to you. There are a whole lot of horrible people on this thread. You're being singled out because you'd heap shame on your own daughter.

Let's call out some other horrible people:

Popcorn Johnny - biatch probably wanted it.
hasy ambush - biatchez be lyin'
captainmaxthedestroyer - We can't help it! Men are slaves to their genitalia! If my dick wants it, biatchez better watch out!
Madbassist1 - Hey biatchez, take some responsibility when some guy(s) rapes your drunk, passed out ass and posts it all over the internet!
Initial Comment Guy - Rape, schmape, Anonymous convicted these guys and biatch probably wanted her unconscious fingerbang posted all over the internet anyway. biatchez are like that, amiright?
skwerl - I don't know nothin' but biat ...


Oldiron_79 - I know nothing about this, but I am very concerned that the real victims here are dudes just trying to get some trim.
 
2013-03-17 04:32:43 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Aigoo: No offense, but if I was your cousin, I would tell whoever was saying that shiat to shut the fark up. It is victim blaming. It's passive-aggressive blaming of your cousin for driving on a road she had every right to drive on, perfectly sober when some other jackass broke the law and injured her through no fault of her own.

It's risk assessment.


Not only that, but in the case of drunk driving accidents, there aren't very many other choices for the victim. We can talk about how we'd like there to be less drunk drivers and all the things we can do as a society to eliminate drunk driving, but that only goes so far, and changes don't occur instantly. Until it is eliminated, if someone is worried about being hit by a drunk driver, thinking "I have every right to be on the road at night" doesn't actually make him or her safer. Staying off the road does, especially at night.

It is up to the victims to determine what they think is necessary to maintain their safety on the road until changes occur such that it's not an issue (or to determine that the chance is too small to care about), and people offering advice - try to avoid driving at night, try to stay on better lit, straighter roads, drive in the right hand lane, etc. - out of concern for future safety or at the request of the victim is not victim blaming.

Sure, they're perfectly within their right to stand up and puff their chests out saying "I shouldn't have to think about my own safety on the road with regard to drunk drivers," and that's true. They shouldn't. People should not drive drunk. Saying that probably makes them feel better, and that's fine. However, the fact that people shouldn't drive drunk obviously doesn't mean they don't, and recognizing that fact has nothing to do with "blame."
 
2013-03-17 04:34:42 PM

BSABSVR: Trixie212: Both of my daughters are wonderful, responsible, self-reliant women and I'm very proud of both of them. One served in our military and is now in nursing school and the other is raising a wonderful family.

They are this way in spite of their mother, not because of their mother.


What a horrible thing to say to someone. *plonk*
 
2013-03-17 04:36:15 PM
Defective animals.
 
2013-03-17 04:39:02 PM

SubBass49: a small team of "justice-bringers"


i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-17 04:39:59 PM

Bontesla: What could possibly be more demeaning and disabling to women than, "There's nothing you could have done?"

Why would that be demeaning or disabling to know that you're not to blame for your rape? That sounds freeing.


Yeah, free to put yourself at risk again.  What would you think if you learned that this girl is still getting drunk with football players every weekend?

The message being sent to women is not, "There's nothing more you could have done," which certainly frees one from blame.  It's "It doesn't matter what you do."  I can easily imagine the latter words coming out of a rapist's mouth as he unbuckles his belt.
 
2013-03-17 04:44:38 PM

Madbassist1: I should be in the kitchen: Madbassist1: Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.

 Males are always responsible for their actions, dumbass. Only females get the free pass.

If a group of females gang raped a teen boy, I'd expect there to be consequences as well.

There is never any excuse to rape, EVER. I don't care how someone is dressed or what they've consumed, don't farking rape. Is that so goddamn hard to understand?

Except I dont think that's what happened. I think she was a willing participant and passed out after the fact. Just my opinion based on what I know. I havent followed it on Nancy Grace or anything.


Ohhhh... You're saying the only possible reason I think this is a rape case is because I get all my news from Nancy Grace. Clever. Everyone's entitled to their opinions, as wrong as they may be.
 
2013-03-17 04:48:35 PM

Trixie212: Lorelle: Trixie212: Not that it matters considering what WAS done to her but I understood the news to say that no one urinated on her.

This article states that one asshole claimed that he was joking when he offered $3 to anyone who peed on the unconscious victim, but that no one took him up on it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/highschool--steubenville-high-school-fo ot ball-players-found-guilty-of-raping-16-year-old-girl-164129528.html

The asshole who made the video that appears in the previous link I posted stated otherwise, and other reports note that other witnesses sent text messages stating that the victim WAS urinated on.

Again, what they did to her was brutal and disgusting.

Just curious...if one of your daughters became a victim of date rape, would you consider her 50% responsible because she dared to go out on a date in the first place?

It will not matter how I answer that question. I will be absolutely wrong...and vilified. People will pick out a portion of what I said and overlook the rest because after all, I am horrible.

/welcome to Fark, blah, blah, blah


Maybe you don't see the way you come across. It seems you are saying that girls/women have a societal responsibility over whether they are raped. I can't speak for everyone else but I'm frustrated with this point of view because I believe a woman's responsibility to protect herself is a personal one only. If she gets raped, whatever the circumstances, the societal blame should 100% be on the rapist.
 
2013-03-17 04:54:00 PM
Did she ever get her underage drinking charges? Because it would be a shame if she used this to keep herself out of trouble for the law breaking she was a part of.
 
2013-03-17 04:54:09 PM

telaran: BSABSVR: Trixie212: Both of my daughters are wonderful, responsible, self-reliant women and I'm very proud of both of them. One served in our military and is now in nursing school and the other is raising a wonderful family.

They are this way in spite of their mother, not because of their mother.

What a horrible thing to say to someone. *plonk*


Way to white knight for a rape apologist.  You should be proud.  Yes it was horrible to say. By choice.  She is a horrible person.  Rape apologists are horrible.  Sorry that offends your delicate sensibilities.
 
2013-03-17 04:56:24 PM

Johnny Bananapeel: SubBass49: a small team of "justice-bringers"

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consumedbywanderlust.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-03-17 04:56:35 PM

verbal_jizm: Trixie212: Lorelle: Trixie212: Not that it matters considering what WAS done to her but I understood the news to say that no one urinated on her.

This article states that one asshole claimed that he was joking when he offered $3 to anyone who peed on the unconscious victim, but that no one took him up on it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/highschool--steubenville-high-school-fo ot ball-players-found-guilty-of-raping-16-year-old-girl-164129528.html

The asshole who made the video that appears in the previous link I posted stated otherwise, and other reports note that other witnesses sent text messages stating that the victim WAS urinated on.

Again, what they did to her was brutal and disgusting.

Just curious...if one of your daughters became a victim of date rape, would you consider her 50% responsible because she dared to go out on a date in the first place?

It will not matter how I answer that question. I will be absolutely wrong...and vilified. People will pick out a portion of what I said and overlook the rest because after all, I am horrible.

/welcome to Fark, blah, blah, blah

Maybe you don't see the way you come across. It seems you are saying that girls/women have a societal responsibility over whether they are raped. I can't speak for everyone else but I'm frustrated with this point of view because I believe a woman's responsibility to protect herself is a personal one only. If she gets raped, whatever the circumstances, the societal blame should 100% be on the rapist.


She's the vegetarian in the room clucking her tongue about the horrors of eating meat when someone gets cancer. Sure, maybe it's more likely for a meat eater to get certain types of cancer, but it's not apropos to the immediate issue, and it's downright shiatty. And when called out on it, saying 'Well I would say this even about someone I love' is even shiattier. And then someone raising the strawman that it's like a three pack a day smoker...same thing right?!

Trix, tell you what I do. I've had opinions I felt strongly about...and looked at who was agreeing with me and who wasn't. When people I have no respect for in any manner are the ones I share an opinion with...and people I respect are telling me my head is up my ass...I keep looking at the issue. I don't form my opinion based on who's with me and who's not...but the odds of me being the lone voice of wisdom in the wilderness is pretty low.
 
2013-03-17 04:57:45 PM

verbal_jizm: Trixie212: Lorelle: Trixie212: Not that it matters considering what WAS done to her but I understood the news to say that no one urinated on her.

This article states that one asshole claimed that he was joking when he offered $3 to anyone who peed on the unconscious victim, but that no one took him up on it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/highschool--steubenville-high-school-fo ot ball-players-found-guilty-of-raping-16-year-old-girl-164129528.html

The asshole who made the video that appears in the previous link I posted stated otherwise, and other reports note that other witnesses sent text messages stating that the victim WAS urinated on.

Again, what they did to her was brutal and disgusting.

Just curious...if one of your daughters became a victim of date rape, would you consider her 50% responsible because she dared to go out on a date in the first place?

It will not matter how I answer that question. I will be absolutely wrong...and vilified. People will pick out a portion of what I said and overlook the rest because after all, I am horrible.

/welcome to Fark, blah, blah, blah

Maybe you don't see the way you come across. It seems you are saying that girls/women have a societal responsibility over whether they are raped. I can't speak for everyone else but I'm frustrated with this point of view because I believe a woman's responsibility to protect herself is a personal one only. If she gets raped, whatever the circumstances, the societal blame should 100% be on the rapist.


Maybe. I think part of the problem is that I've been trying to tap out every response one letter at a time on a mobile phone and haven't taken the time to elaborate or explain as much as I could have.

In a nutshell, the boys were wrong, criminally liable and deserved to be convicted. They had no excuse for raping her. There are others who are partially responsible for encouraging them and attempting to cover it up and should be held accountable as well. Whoever provided the alcohol to minors is also partially responsible although nothing excuses what the boys did. I also believe that if she had chosen to remain sober, she would have not been as likely to have been raped.

I never said I would not have done my best to comfort and take care of one of my daughters had this happened to them. But I did drill into their heads from an early age that alcohol weakens inhibitions and leads to bad decisions many times so it's best to avoid getting caught up in drinking in a crowd. If that makes me a bad mother that I tried to warn them about some people's less than honorable intentions then so be it.
 
2013-03-17 04:58:30 PM
THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE, FOR THE RAPE APOLOGIST ASSHOLES AND OTHERS TO DISCUSS:

KnightSec details pieced together:

"After being convinced, with some amount of coaxing -- to attend the parties that night with the "Rape Crew" by [X]'s girlfriend [X], Jane Doe was picked up at a volley ball team party she was attending in the early evening of August 11th and transported in a vehicle with Richmond, Mays and [X] in it. Jane Doe was administered a "date rape" drug snuck into her drink almost immediately, possibly while still in the vehicle en route to the nights "festivities". In any case, she has no memories after being picked up. The first party of the night was at the home of Assistant Coach [X], where [X], [X], [X], and [X] were already engaged in heavy drinking and drug use. At this location Jane Doe was raped multiple times by Richmond and Mays and at least two other assailants from the "Rape Crew". At that point the "party" went on the move. They first stopped at another Assistant Coach's home, [X]. [X] didn't like what he saw, and asked them to leave. Once again, they hit the road with an unconscious Jane Doe in tow. While en route to [X]'s house, Jane was again raped and sodomized in the back seat of a vehicle - and this was video recorded by [X] who was in the front seat. Her attackers in the car were again Mays and Richmond. Once they arrived at [X]s house Jane Doe was carried to the basement where she was again raped multiple times by multiple attackers, one of which was [X]. Finally, having sated themselves and exhausted any further entertainment that Jane Doe could provide, she was unceremoniously dumped (still unconscious) onto the front lawn of the [X] residence - where at least one member of the "Rape Crew" proceeded to urinate on her."


Other details:

James "Jim" Parks: Webmaster and owner of a private fan site for the team who they point to as a close contact of the players. Localleaks also posts photos of seemingly young girls from his email, girls they claim are "conquests" of the team.
Sheriff Fred Abdalla: The post claims that Sheriff Abdalla and Head Football Coach Reno A. Saccoccia have regular breakfasts together and are conspiring to remove electronic evidence from students at the party.
Prosecuting Attorney Jane Hanlin: Hanlin is the prosecuting attorney for Jefferson County, but she is also the mother of Charlie Keenan, a suspected member of Steubenville High's "Rape Crew".
Head Football Coach Reno A. Saccoccia: Localleaks points to Saccoccia as the ringleader of the conspiracy, attempting to "hold off sheriff deputies when they seized the telephones and other electronic items belonging to the perpetrators, meanwhile encouraging his "boys" to delete everything." The post goes further, claiming the coach rewards players by allowing them to view porn on his computer and providing drugs and alcohol to those who are "extra" deserving.


The entire town is heavily invested in the football team, and everyone from the coaches to the police to the prosecutor did everything they could to cover up this case.

s3-ec.buzzfed.com
This is the victim-- UNCONSCIOUS-- Being dragged by her rapists to another location. This is from a video these assholes made where they call her "the dead girl" and say "she is so raped".


And these are comments made by the rapists themselves online:
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s3-ec.buzzfed.com
i3.photobucket.com


Yes. They actually tweeted about pissing on her, raping her, and made it very clear that they were aware what they were doing was rape, but just didn't care.

The above tweets have since been deleted. The collects social media updates from Twitter, including a screenshot of a student who tweeted: "You don't sleep through a wang in the butthole" and "There is a dead body [referring to the victim] and people don't care #livethelife."

There's video of admissions of rape:  http://vimeo.com/56640382


THIS IS A MISCARRIAGE OF JUSTICE. Not only should the two teens who drugged, raped and kidnapped this girl be tried as adults and receive much harsher sentences, but the adults who covered it up should also face felony charges.

Anyone saying she "deserved it" is a grade-A sociopath.
 
2013-03-17 05:00:50 PM

telaran: BSABSVR: Trixie212: Both of my daughters are wonderful, responsible, self-reliant women and I'm very proud of both of them. One served in our military and is now in nursing school and the other is raising a wonderful family.

They are this way in spite of their mother, not because of their mother.

What a horrible thing to say to someone. *plonk*


Did you start reading this thread on page 12??
 
2013-03-17 05:00:50 PM

BSABSVR: telaran: BSABSVR: Trixie212: Both of my daughters are wonderful, responsible, self-reliant women and I'm very proud of both of them. One served in our military and is now in nursing school and the other is raising a wonderful family.

They are this way in spite of their mother, not because of their mother.

What a horrible thing to say to someone. *plonk*

Way to white knight for a rape apologist.  You should be proud.  Yes it was horrible to say. By choice.  She is a horrible person.  Rape apologists are horrible.  Sorry that offends your delicate sensibilities.


I am not a rape apologist. And I am not a horrible person. But think what you want.
 
2013-03-17 05:01:35 PM
It's not Fark, it's Rapeenthusiast.com
 
2013-03-17 05:04:21 PM

Trixie212: verbal_jizm: Trixie212: Lorelle: Trixie212: Not that it matters considering what WAS done to her but I understood the news to say that no one urinated on her.

This article states that one asshole claimed that he was joking when he offered $3 to anyone who peed on the unconscious victim, but that no one took him up on it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/highschool--steubenville-high-school-fo ot ball-players-found-guilty-of-raping-16-year-old-girl-164129528.html

The asshole who made the video that appears in the previous link I posted stated otherwise, and other reports note that other witnesses sent text messages stating that the victim WAS urinated on.

Again, what they did to her was brutal and disgusting.

Just curious...if one of your daughters became a victim of date rape, would you consider her 50% responsible because she dared to go out on a date in the first place?

It will not matter how I answer that question. I will be absolutely wrong...and vilified. People will pick out a portion of what I said and overlook the rest because after all, I am horrible.

/welcome to Fark, blah, blah, blah

Maybe you don't see the way you come across. It seems you are saying that girls/women have a societal responsibility over whether they are raped. I can't speak for everyone else but I'm frustrated with this point of view because I believe a woman's responsibility to protect herself is a personal one only. If she gets raped, whatever the circumstances, the societal blame should 100% be on the rapist.

Maybe. I think part of the problem is that I've been trying to tap out every response one letter at a time on a mobile phone and haven't taken the time to elaborate or explain as much as I could have.

In a nutshell, the boys were wrong, criminally liable and deserved to be convicted. They had no excuse for raping her. There are others who are partially responsible for encouraging them and attempting to cover it up and should be held accountable as well. Whoever provided ...


Okay, sub in 'going out with others' for drinking alcohol. There are some religious people who believe it's immoral for girls to even socialize with boys, etc. Imagine this was a middle eastern case and they were blaming the girl for being unchaperoned with boys. From an early age mothers tell their children this! Etc. Or super Christian and she was dressing "like a slut" because she was showing some ankle. Whatever.

Do you think that type of argument is any way valid other than 'technically'? I mean we could say if only her vagina had been sewn shut, and that would be technically valid.

Do you see where that gets into ridiculous victim blaming? NO ONE (sane and reasonable mind you) is saying that getting drunk is a good idea for teenage boys or girls. Not a one. But it's as much a nonissue in her rape as what she was wearing.

Everyone gets that you don't think it's smart for a teen to get drunk. No one is disagreeing with that. It's the 'And that's how you end up raped' portion that people are finding absolutely horrific. And if that's NOT what you're trying to convey...you might want to reread your posts and see where everyone is getting that impression.
 
2013-03-17 05:04:37 PM

Trixie212: But think what you want.


I don't need your farking permission, and yes.  "Both sides are badding" rape is rape apology.   That makes you a bad person.
 
2013-03-17 05:06:51 PM

ZeroCorpse: THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE, FOR THE RAPE APOLOGIST ASSHOLES AND OTHERS TO DISCUSS:


It shouldn't take this level of detail.
 
2013-03-17 05:07:56 PM

BSABSVR: It's not Fark, it's Rapeenthusiast.com


Unfortunately. Can we combine that with Stormfront? Maybe Rapefront.com?
 
2013-03-17 05:08:32 PM

Madbassist1: tirob: If you're correct, it's certainly too bad for the two offenders that the defense could not scrape up a single witness who would have testified that the complainant consented, isn't it?

Id certainly say so, yes.


And this notwithstanding the fact that several other people appear to have witnessed the offenders' acts.  I'm going to go with the theory that no such witness was available because there was no evidence that the complainant consented, and a good bit of evidence that she was legally incapable of consenting.  Darn those perjury statutes.
 
2013-03-17 05:09:00 PM

vygramul: ZeroCorpse: THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE, FOR THE RAPE APOLOGIST ASSHOLES AND OTHERS TO DISCUSS:

It shouldn't take this level of detail.


Nope, it shouldn't. And yet watch who'll still spin around to defend 'em.
 
2013-03-17 05:13:01 PM
Note that those details are what was collected by Anonymous/KnightSec. I cannot claim they are 100% accurate, but they are pretty heavily supported by video, Twitter, and photographic evidence.

/And a thank you for the TF,  verbal_jizm.
 
2013-03-17 05:14:22 PM

SubBass49: Johnny Bananapeel: SubBass49: a small team of "justice-bringers"

[i.imgur.com image 605x294]

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Okay. My example was a bit extreme. But the vigilante thing has been known to get out of hand on occasion.
 
2013-03-17 05:14:54 PM

Lady Indica: Trixie212: verbal_jizm: Trixie212: Lorelle: Trixie212: Not that it matters considering what WAS done to her but I understood the news to say that no one urinated on her.

This article states that one asshole claimed that he was joking when he offered $3 to anyone who peed on the unconscious victim, but that no one took him up on it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/highschool--steubenville-high-school-fo ot ball-players-found-guilty-of-raping-16-year-old-girl-164129528.html

The asshole who made the video that appears in the previous link I posted stated otherwise, and other reports note that other witnesses sent text messages stating that the victim WAS urinated on.

Again, what they did to her was brutal and disgusting.

Just curious...if one of your daughters became a victim of date rape, would you consider her 50% responsible because she dared to go out on a date in the first place?

It will not matter how I answer that question. I will be absolutely wrong...and vilified. People will pick out a portion of what I said and overlook the rest because after all, I am horrible.

/welcome to Fark, blah, blah, blah

Maybe you don't see the way you come across. It seems you are saying that girls/women have a societal responsibility over whether they are raped. I can't speak for everyone else but I'm frustrated with this point of view because I believe a woman's responsibility to protect herself is a personal one only. If she gets raped, whatever the circumstances, the societal blame should 100% be on the rapist.

Maybe. I think part of the problem is that I've been trying to tap out every response one letter at a time on a mobile phone and haven't taken the time to elaborate or explain as much as I could have.

In a nutshell, the boys were wrong, criminally liable and deserved to be convicted. They had no excuse for raping her. There are others who are partially responsible for encouraging them and attempting to cover it up and should be held accountable as well. Whoever provided ...

Okay, sub in 'going out with others' for drinking alcohol. There are some religious people who believe it's immoral for girls to even socialize with boys, etc. Imagine this was a middle eastern case and they were blaming the girl for being unchaperoned with boys. From an early age mothers tell their children this! Etc. Or super Christian and she was dressing "like a slut" because she was showing some ankle. Whatever.

Do you think that type of argument is any way valid other than 'technically'? I mean we could say if only her vagina had been sewn shut, and that would be technically valid.

Do you see where that gets into ridiculous victim blaming? NO ONE (sane and reasonable mind you) is saying that getting drunk is a good idea for teenage boys or girls. Not a one. But it's as much a nonissue in her rape as what she was wearing.

Everyone gets that you don't think it's smart for a teen to get drunk. No one is disagreeing with that. It's the 'And that's how you end up raped' portion that people are finding absolutely horrific. And if that's NOT what you're trying to convey...you might want to reread your posts and see where everyone is getting that impression.


Okay. I understand why that point of view pisses people off. I really do. And maybe I've dug my heels in because instead of talking to me about it the way you have, others have made personal attacks and acted like I've said these boys were unfairly prosecuted when I said nothing of the sort. Maybe Ive tried too hard to explain and just made it worse. There have been many times when I've disagreed with others on here in the worst way but I've never been vicious or put anyone on ignore.

I've been on Fark for almost nine years and now I remember why I rarely do anything other than lurk.
 
2013-03-17 05:17:36 PM

ZeroCorpse: THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE, FOR THE RAPE APOLOGIST ASSHOLES AND OTHERS TO DISCUSS:

KnightSec details pieced together:

...


All of this may be true, but the two offenders were not convicted of any of the acts alleged in your post, nor has anyone else been charged in connection with this crime.  Yet.
 
2013-03-17 05:17:47 PM

BSABSVR: Trixie212: But think what you want.

I don't need your farking permission, and yes.  "Both sides are badding" rape is rape apology.   That makes you a bad person.


Fark you. You also don't need my permission to fry in the twelfth level of hell.
 
2013-03-17 05:22:19 PM

Lady Indica: Okay, sub in 'going out with others' for drinking alcohol.


No, don't.

Alcohol is a horrific drug. That drug is highly associated with crime and other behaviors that people say they would not have done if they had not used the drug. In fact, "lowering inhibitions" -- allowing behaviors you would not otherwise exhibit -- is part of the celebrated allure of the drug, according to its most avid users.

Studies show that crime and personal accidents both increase in areas where alcohol is more readily available. The more bars and liquor stores in your neighborhood, the more crime there will be in your neighborhood, statistically. Over 80% of homicides involve alcohol. It's a known factor in domestic and other violence.

It's not that alcohol is immoral, like "showing an ankle" or going out. It's that its effects have been studied and proven, and yet society turns a blind eye to those studies and says, "When you use a drug that removes the part of your brain that invokes responsibility, make sure you use it responsibly," and "teens drinking is just a rite of passage to adulthood."

After all, those ads with big tits telling us all how popular we'll be by drinking Brand X can't be wrong, right?
 
2013-03-17 05:22:46 PM

Trixie212: Okay. I understand why that point of view pisses people off. I really do. And maybe I've dug my heels in because instead of talking to me about it the way you have, others have made personal attacks and acted like I've said these boys were unfairly prosecuted when I said nothing of the sort. Maybe Ive tried too hard to explain and just made it worse. There have been many times when I've disagreed with others on here in the worst way but I've never been vicious or put anyone on ignore.

I've been on Fark for almost nine years and now I remember why I rarely do anything other than lurk.


It's an emotionally charged subject for many people, on many levels. It makes it difficult to have rational discussions and arguments and can make it end up feeling and/or being personal as well. Plus, the internet ;)

FWIW I didn't plonk you because while I don't agree with your position (or perhaps more accurately how you stated your position as well as most of it ;)) I 'get' where you're coming from and I don't believe you're trolling or being disingenous. Honest disagreements among people will happen. Just as an additional aside, many rape victims engage in a whole lot of self blame, it's one of the more traumatic aspects of recovering from sexual assault. This isn't a 'lets use the lavender pen to spare the snowflakes' issue, it's really a fundamental issue of 'the victim of rape is never ever at fault, by definition'. People talking about 'oh the girl just regrets it the next day', well that's not rape. And she would be making a false allegation. Rape, period, is wrong, period. As to the rest, I spoke to it previously in an uber long post about why we focus so much on feeling safe, feeling like we can prevent.

And FWIW I don't think you're a horrible human being, but how you approached it was. Just as I don't think some of those kids were monsters, but what they did was monsterous. (NOT comparing you to that in any way, realized it could sound bad in text. But I'm subtle as godzilla, no subtext. :))
 
2013-03-17 05:23:23 PM
There's something about rapist psychology of which people should be aware: rapists think EVERYONE is a rapist like they are. They think YOU'RE a rapist. Either you've not been caught, or you're too chickenshiat beta to actually take what is yours to take.

So whenever you make any kind of excuse, or try to mitigate the rapeists' actions, their ears perk up and they say, "Ah! A fellow rapist! Good to see a few of us alphas still around!"

That's the way rapists think.
 
2013-03-17 05:26:52 PM

vygramul: It shouldn't take this level of detail.


It shouldn't? I guess in your world, we should believe a woman whenever she claims she was raped, right? After all, there's never been a case of a woman making up fake rape allegations, right?
 
2013-03-17 05:30:42 PM

tirob: ZeroCorpse: THE DETAILS OF THIS CASE, FOR THE RAPE APOLOGIST ASSHOLES AND OTHERS TO DISCUSS:

KnightSec details pieced together:

...

All of this may be true, but the two offenders were not convicted of any of the acts alleged in your post, nor has anyone else been charged in connection with this crime.  Yet.



That's because the town's prosecutor was the parent of one of the "rape crew", the town police (including the sheriff) were business partners and pals with the coaches, and the coaches have been aware of this behavior and have supported it in the past.

There is no real justice here because the system in that town is totally corrupt.
 
2013-03-17 05:33:37 PM
I still don't understand why rape is so much more severe than, say, a beating.  I think that society likes to add in the "OMG YOUR LIFE IS OVER YOU NEED YEARS OF THERAPY HANG THEM" part for some strange reason.  I don't think that it would be the inherent reaction if not for the contribution of zealots.  Why isn't everyone's life over if they are mugged?  Why aren't there mugging support groups?
 
2013-03-17 05:33:53 PM

Lady Indica: Trixie212: Okay. I understand why that point of view pisses people off. I really do. And maybe I've dug my heels in because instead of talking to me about it the way you have, others have made personal attacks and acted like I've said these boys were unfairly prosecuted when I said nothing of the sort. Maybe Ive tried too hard to explain and just made it worse. There have been many times when I've disagreed with others on here in the worst way but I've never been vicious or put anyone on ignore.

I've been on Fark for almost nine years and now I remember why I rarely do anything other than lurk.

It's an emotionally charged subject for many people, on many levels. It makes it difficult to have rational discussions and arguments and can make it end up feeling and/or being personal as well. Plus, the internet ;)

FWIW I didn't plonk you because while I don't agree with your position (or perhaps more accurately how you stated your position as well as most of it ;)) I 'get' where you're coming from and I don't believe you're trolling or being disingenous. Honest disagreements among people will happen. Just as an additional aside, many rape victims engage in a whole lot of self blame, it's one of the more traumatic aspects of recovering from sexual assault. This isn't a 'lets use the lavender pen to spare the snowflakes' issue, it's really a fundamental issue of 'the victim of rape is never ever at fault, by definition'. People talking about 'oh the girl just regrets it the next day', well that's not rape. And she would be making a false allegation. Rape, period, is wrong, period. As to the rest, I spoke to it previously in an uber long post about why we focus so much on feeling safe, feeling like we can prevent.

And FWIW I don't think you're a horrible human being, but how you approached it was. Just as I don't think some of those kids were monsters, but what they did was monsterous. (NOT comparing you to that in any way, realized it could sound bad in text. But I'm subtle as godzilla, no subtext. :))


Thank you.
 
2013-03-17 05:34:05 PM

Dragonflew: telaran: BSABSVR: Trixie212: Both of my daughters are wonderful, responsible, self-reliant women and I'm very proud of both of them. One served in our military and is now in nursing school and the other is raising a wonderful family.

They are this way in spite of their mother, not because of their mother.

What a horrible thing to say to someone. *plonk*

Did you start reading this thread on page 12??


I'm not sure what you think makes a comment like BSABSVR's okay under any circumstance short of "I kept my children out of school and didn't feed them whenever they displeased me.  I tried to teach them to be horrible, monstrous women that would have horrible lives" on the condition that it is not meant as mockery. It's just not something one says based on a few internet comments, and I'm saying that haven been taken aback by Trixie212's comment that she would have held her daughters "just as responsible."

Trixie212 articulated a position that I disagree with (though I don't think she meant it exactly as it came out. But, you know, giving people the benefit of the doubt isn't something that happens on the internet, I guess). BSABSVR, on the other hand, decided to throw what I consider to be a pretty horrible insult at someone and is routinely a Morality Troll. I know it's all the rage to slag people with personal insults while pretending to be righteous, but really? Fark that. It's a stupid game that isn't worth reading.
 
2013-03-17 05:34:40 PM

vygramul: There's something about rapist psychology of which people should be aware: rapists think EVERYONE is a rapist like they are. They think YOU'RE a rapist. Either you've not been caught, or you're too chickenshiat beta to actually take what is yours to take.

So whenever you make any kind of excuse, or try to mitigate the rapeists' actions, their ears perk up and they say, "Ah! A fellow rapist! Good to see a few of us alphas still around!"

That's the way rapists think.


And you know this how?  It sounds plausible, much like the argument that the availability of child porn validates pedophiles' values.  OTOH, I'm not convinced that refusing to speak or spell the "n-word" discourages racism.
 
2013-03-17 05:36:29 PM

Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.


Everyone knows they're rapists except people who are sick, twisted farks or members of their family.  Which are you?

Seriously, if you can't figure our what rape is, you would be well-served to never, ever have sex with anybody.
 
2013-03-17 05:37:23 PM

Popcorn Johnny: vygramul: It shouldn't take this level of detail.

It shouldn't? I guess in your world, we should believe a woman whenever she claims she was raped, right? After all, there's never been a case of a woman making up fake rape allegations, right?


Ugh, so many straw men in this thread.  You show me a case of a woman lying about being raped, and ill show you 9999 cases where women did NOT lie about being raped.  You miss the point entirely.  The problem is the sociopathic tendencies in males that leads to rape, and the fact that in some cultural bubbles, rape itself is tolerated.  I'd certainly agree that women lying about being raped is sociopathic in its own right, and should not be tolerated either, but it is orders of magnitude less important than the atrocities being committed by males in this case.
 
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