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2013-03-17 01:04:08 PM
I love all the football hate with this story. Like that has anything whatsoever to do with it. This sort of shiat happens in every town in America, every year.
 
2013-03-17 01:04:15 PM

Trixie212: adamgreeney: Tak the Hideous New Girl: casey17: Trixie212: adamgreeney: Trixie212: jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too

I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".

I imagine it was quite brutal to her. Good god, it is probably the worst thing that will happen to her and will stay with her for life. Just because worse things happen doesn't mean she should have a stiff upper lip and move on.

I have sons and I gave daughters and I've tried to imagine how I would feel if it was any of my kids who were involved in this. My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have understood her being hurt and upset and I know she would have had to deal with the consequences for a long time.

But at the end of the day, the consequences began with the choices she made. If this girls' former friends are to be believed, she was a bit of a train wreck. Ideally, she could be a train wreck and affect no one other than herself but we all know that's not the way society works.

The boys will pay the consequences for this all the rest of their days. Rightly so? Maybe. I just think she shares in the responsibility of what happened to her.

I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link

I don't even know who did the bolded bit but Holy fark. Really?

It's depressing enough to see all the men jumping to defend their rape fantasies, but when a MOTHER is saying the girl is to blame, and that what happened to her wasn't "brutal" and dismissing it as just "getting finger banged," it's even more sickening.

One more time, moron. I said she SHARED respo ...


Things it is reasonable to expect will happen to you if you get black out drunk at 16: You get arrested for underage consumption, you have a really bad hangover, you end up in the ER with alcohol poisoning.

Things you shouldn't expect to happen if you get black out drunk: You get raped or sexual assaulted.
 
2013-03-17 01:04:17 PM
Was Fark always a place for rape apologists and /b/-level trolls or am I just getting old and tired of this site?
 
2013-03-17 01:04:57 PM

elysive: InitialCommentGuy: casey17:


I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link


Anyone who assumes you shouldn't drink to comatose must be a sociopath/rapist/child abuser.

Yep, standard tactics out in force today.

One probably should not drink themselves into a coma in public (or drink at all IMHO), but if you are trying to say she deserved it then you're a giant douche. If you want to suggest some other labels for yourself, go for it.


I don't think I've read a single poster state that she deserved it.  The general sentiment seems to be that (A) people are NOT inherently good and that (B) drinking yourself into a coma leaves you vulnerable to the actions of such people.

But for some reason, this is difficult for a lot to understand here.  And apparently agreeing with the above makes you a rape apologist.
 
2013-03-17 01:05:20 PM

InitialCommentGuy: iaazathot: Ah, I see all the rape apologists are present, good, good.

These kids should be shot.  There I said it.

Remember guys: fingering raping a drunk girl an unconscious girl earns you an execution.


I fixed it for you.
 
2013-03-17 01:06:26 PM
Carth:

Things it is reasonable to expect will happen to you if you get black out drunk at 16: You get arrested for underage consumption, you have a really bad hangover, you end up in the ER with alcohol poisoning.

Things you shouldn't expect to happen if you get black out drunk: You get raped or sexual assaulted.


And yet there are always these stories of blacking out and being raped.  It is as if you refuse to accept the possibilities and protect yourself, and thus expect others to protect you from yourself.
 
2013-03-17 01:06:28 PM

Popcorn Johnny: farkplug: The texts the wonderful young Mr. Mays sent?

If bragging about getting sex from a drunk chick was a crime, most of the men in America would be locked up.


Don't assume most guys are like you.
 
2013-03-17 01:06:39 PM
scrapetv.com
 
2013-03-17 01:07:00 PM

InitialCommentGuy: iaazathot: Ah, I see all the rape apologists are present, good, good.

These kids should be shot.  There I said it.

Remember guys: fingering a drunk girl earns you an execution.


The girl was unconscious. PLEASE tell me you would finger an unconscious 16 year old. Fark needs to hear this.
 
2013-03-17 01:07:04 PM

captainmaxthedestroyer: elysive: InitialCommentGuy: casey17:


I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link


Anyone who assumes you shouldn't drink to comatose must be a sociopath/rapist/child abuser.

Yep, standard tactics out in force today.

One probably should not drink themselves into a coma in public (or drink at all IMHO), but if you are trying to say she deserved it then you're a giant douche. If you want to suggest some other labels for yourself, go for it.

I don't think I've read a single poster state that she deserved it.  The general sentiment seems to be that (A) people are NOT inherently good and that (B) drinking yourself into a coma leaves you vulnerable to the actions of such people.

But for some reason, this is difficult for a lot to understand here.  And apparently agreeing with the above makes you a rape apologist.


This...sigh.
 
2013-03-17 01:07:41 PM
ITT: Rape victims should share blame because they don't know how to act like an adult and hold their liquor at the age of 16.
 
2013-03-17 01:07:50 PM

Bontesla: InitialCommentGuy: iaazathot: Ah, I see all the rape apologists are present, good, good.

These kids should be shot.  There I said it.

Remember guys: fingering raping a drunk girl an unconscious girl earns you an execution.

I fixed it for you.


See... I actually gave the facts of the case... But please, go on about how murder is the solution to rape.
 
2013-03-17 01:08:06 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: adamgreeney: It's depressing enough to see all the men jumping to defend their rape fantasies, but when a MOTHER is saying the girl is to blame, and that what happened to her wasn't "brutal" and dismissing it as just "getting finger banged," it's even more sickening.

Let me guess: You're another one who thinks the "War on Women" is waged by men.


Let me guess, you're another one who thinks men are being oppressed?  Yep, those poor, poor men...
 
2013-03-17 01:08:49 PM

InitialCommentGuy: casey17:


I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link


Anyone who assumes you shouldn't drink to comatose must be a sociopath/rapist/child abuser.

Yep, standard tactics out in force today.


Tak the Hideous New Girl: casey17: Trixie212: adamgreeney: Trixie212: jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too

I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".

I imagine it was quite brutal to her. Good god, it is probably the worst thing that will happen to her and will stay with her for life. Just because worse things happen doesn't mean she should have a stiff upper lip and move on.

I have sons and I gave daughters and I've tried to imagine how I would feel if it was any of my kids who were involved in this. My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have understood her being hurt and upset and I know she would have had to deal with the consequences for a long time.

But at the end of the day, the consequences began with the choices she made. If this girls' former friends are to be believed, she was a bit of a train wreck. Ideally, she could be a train wreck and affect no one other than herself but we all know that's not the way society works.

The boys will pay the consequences for this all the rest of their days. Rightly so? Maybe. I just think she shares in the responsibility of what happened to her.

I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link

I don't even know who did the bolded bit but Holy fark. Really?


Those would be the words of Trixie212.
 
2013-03-17 01:08:59 PM
ITT: We also know for certain that the vicim knew exactly what she was drinking.
 
2013-03-17 01:09:21 PM
the coach comment    --    "youve made me mad, either your going to get hurt or someone close to you...:    helped light the fuse in the beginning
 
2013-03-17 01:10:00 PM

Bontesla: Trixie212: casey17: Trixie212: adamgreeney: Trixie212: jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too

I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".

I imagine it was quite brutal to her. Good god, it is probably the worst thing that will happen to her and will stay with her for life. Just because worse things happen doesn't mean she should have a stiff upper lip and move on.

I have sons and I gave daughters and I've tried to imagine how I would feel if it was any of my kids who were involved in this. My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have understood her being hurt and upset and I know she would have had to deal with the consequences for a long time.

But at the end of the day, the consequences began with the choices she made. If this girls' former friends are to be believed, she was a bit of a train wreck. Ideally, she could be a train wreck and affect no one other than herself but we all know that's not the way society works.

The boys will pay the consequences for this all the rest of their days. Rightly so? Maybe. I just think she shares in the responsibility of what happened to her.

I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link

Both of my daughters are wonderful, responsible, self-reliant women and I'm very proud of both of them. One served in our military and is now in nursing school and the other is raising a wonderful family.

One last time, it's possible to believe the victim shares in some personal responsibility without being a "rape apologist". The whole situation is just sad.

/they both agree with me on this subje ...

Agreement doesn't make you right.

Rape is NEVER partially the victim's fault.


Not just "she has some responsibility, mind you. But EQUAL responsibility to that of the rapists.

This parent claims that if a girl is drunk and raped, she is exactly the moral equivalent of the person who decides to violate her bodily integrity. It's not even "people are responsible for their safety," it's something far worse.

So, parent... We heard what you'd tell your daughters. If your son rapes a girl after she has been drinking, will you be sure to explain to how it's just as much her fault as is? Will you make sure your sons know that women share 50% of the blame for being raped after they have a few beers?
 
2013-03-17 01:10:13 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ITT: We also know for certain that the vicim knew exactly what she was drinking.


Truly we should accept any and all drinks from anyone who gives them to us.

I mean, strangers don't exist where there's booze right?
 
2013-03-17 01:10:25 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Carth:

Things it is reasonable to expect will happen to you if you get black out drunk at 16: You get arrested for underage consumption, you have a really bad hangover, you end up in the ER with alcohol poisoning.

Things you shouldn't expect to happen if you get black out drunk: You get raped or sexual assaulted.

And yet there are always these stories of blacking out and being raped.  It is as if you refuse to accept the possibilities and protect yourself, and thus expect others to protect you from yourself.


It's almost as if rape victims has this insane expectation that they shouldn't be raped. Weird, right?

Also - specifically what qualifies as behaviors in which rape is likely? Unlocking your car door after work? Wearing a sweater? Wearing a skirt? Drinking in public? Being friends with men? Wearing red lipstick? Showing ankles?

No. Rape is never the victim's fault.
 
2013-03-17 01:10:29 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Carth:

Things it is reasonable to expect will happen to you if you get black out drunk at 16: You get arrested for underage consumption, you have a really bad hangover, you end up in the ER with alcohol poisoning.

Things you shouldn't expect to happen if you get black out drunk: You get raped or sexual assaulted.

And yet there are always these stories of blacking out and being raped.  It is as if you refuse to accept the possibilities and protect yourself, and thus expect others to protect you from yourself.


There are all these stories about people being murdered in their house yet I don't feel the need to buy a gun. There are stories about people being framed by police yet I have no problem letting cops search my car if they ask. Why? because victims aren't responsible for other people's illegal actions and I'm not going to live my life in fear of what other people might do to me.
 
2013-03-17 01:10:44 PM

Trixie212: Her responsibility was to not get so farking drunk that she was no longer in control of her actions.


Regardless of how drunk she was... christ, screw trying to reason with you.  I honestly don't believe that you are female.
 
2013-03-17 01:10:49 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Popcorn Johnny: farkplug: The texts the wonderful young Mr. Mays sent?

If bragging about getting sex from a drunk chick was a crime, most of the men in America would be locked up.

Don't assume most guys are like you.


Bingo, I walked away from a lot of drunk girls in my time.  It isn't hard to do, you don't do it, because you don't want to, and you are stupid.
 
2013-03-17 01:10:54 PM

The Great EZE: Was Fark always a place for rape apologists and /b/-level trolls or am I just getting old and tired of this site?


Yes.
 
2013-03-17 01:11:02 PM

iaazathot: Lenny_da_Hog: adamgreeney: It's depressing enough to see all the men jumping to defend their rape fantasies, but when a MOTHER is saying the girl is to blame, and that what happened to her wasn't "brutal" and dismissing it as just "getting finger banged," it's even more sickening.

Let me guess: You're another one who thinks the "War on Women" is waged by men.

Let me guess, you're another one who thinks men are being oppressed?  Yep, those poor, poor men...


That whooshing sound is the point flying over your head.

Authoritarian women are just as responsible for the oppression of women as authoritarian men are. Judgmental morality against women, from women, shouldn't surprise anyone. Go to a Wednesday night Bible study meeting in a small church basement sometime to see how authoritarian women think.
 
2013-03-17 01:11:26 PM

InitialCommentGuy: iaazathot: Ah, I see all the rape apologists are present, good, good.

These kids should be shot.  There I said it.

Remember guys: fingering raping a drunk girl earns you an execution.


Not that I agree with the punishment, but I'm not going to let you attempt to diminish rape, sociopath.
 
2013-03-17 01:11:28 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Truly we should accept any and all drinks from anyone who gives them to us.

I mean, strangers don't exist where there's booze right?


If only all sixteen year olds were as wise and above it all as you.
 
2013-03-17 01:11:30 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Bontesla: InitialCommentGuy: iaazathot: Ah, I see all the rape apologists are present, good, good.

These kids should be shot.  There I said it.

Remember guys: fingering raping a drunk girl an unconscious girl earns you an execution.

I fixed it for you.

See... I actually gave the facts of the case... But please, go on about how murder is the solution to rape.


You didn't give any facts. I corrected your statement with facts.
 
2013-03-17 01:11:41 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ITT: Rape victims should share blame because they don't know how to act like an adult and hold their liquor at the age of 16.


This.

Boohoo I couldn't control myself with alcohol cause I'm an idiot, and two drunk horny guys took advantage of me.

/let me shed a giant emo tear for you
 
2013-03-17 01:12:36 PM
Bontesla:

Also - specifically what qualifies as behaviors in which rape is likely? Unlocking your car door after work? Wearing a sweater? Wearing a skirt? Drinking in public? Being friends with men? Wearing red lipstick? Showing ankles?

No. Rape is never the victim's fault.


Drinking to excess while surrounded by people we don't know and then relying on said unknown quantity of strangers to protect us from any and all harm feels like a pretty farking good start.
 
2013-03-17 01:13:06 PM

gameshowhost: The Great EZE: Was Fark always a place for rape apologists and /b/-level trolls or am I just getting old and tired of this site?

Yes.


Yeah, I realized how poorly I phrased that question after I posted it. It should be is this something new or am I just getting tired of the same old thing?

...fark it. I'm going to get all my news and commentary from Facebook now.
 
2013-03-17 01:13:36 PM
Could have been worse.
Could have happened in Sandusky.
 
2013-03-17 01:13:48 PM

casey17: InitialCommentGuy: casey17:


I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link


Anyone who assumes you shouldn't drink to comatose must be a sociopath/rapist/child abuser.

Yep, standard tactics out in force today.

Tak the Hideous New Girl: casey17: Trixie212: adamgreeney: Trixie212: jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too

I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".

I imagine it was quite brutal to her. Good god, it is probably the worst thing that will happen to her and will stay with her for life. Just because worse things happen doesn't mean she should have a stiff upper lip and move on.

I have sons and I gave daughters and I've tried to imagine how I would feel if it was any of my kids who were involved in this. My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have understood her being hurt and upset and I know she would have had to deal with the consequences for a long time.

But at the end of the day, the consequences began with the choices she made. If this girls' former friends are to be believed, she was a bit of a train wreck. Ideally, she could be a train wreck and affect no one other than herself but we all know that's not the way society works.

The boys will pay the consequences for this all the rest of their days. Rightly so? Maybe. I just think she shares in the responsibility of what happened to her.

I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link

I don't even know who did the bolded bit but Holy fark. Really?

Those would be the words of Trixie212.


Yep. Shame on me. I raised my sons to treat women with respect and I raised my daughters to understand that all boys aren't raised the way their brothers were. I raised all of my kids to understand that if they CHOSE to engage in dangerous behavior, consequences would ensue. Should I have raised them to expect cotton candy and roses from everybody they came in contact with?
 
2013-03-17 01:14:05 PM

Bontesla: Rape is NEVER partially the victim's fault.


while i agree with your intended meaning, this is simply not true.

if you fly to rapeville, the capitol of rapistonia, and jump into a pit full of rapists on rape day, you might be partially responsible for being raped.

and of course, people (including me) laugh at the fact that convicted rapists will be butt-raped and/or mouth-raped in prison, because "it is their fault" for being rapists.
 
2013-03-17 01:14:06 PM
One last one:

ITT: We were all wise and responsible sixteen year olds who never did anything stupid and shrugged off any and all peer pressure we faced.
 
2013-03-17 01:14:06 PM

captainmaxthedestroyer: elysive: InitialCommentGuy: casey17:


I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link


Anyone who assumes you shouldn't drink to comatose must be a sociopath/rapist/child abuser.

Yep, standard tactics out in force today.

One probably should not drink themselves into a coma in public (or drink at all IMHO), but if you are trying to say she deserved it then you're a giant douche. If you want to suggest some other labels for yourself, go for it.

I don't think I've read a single poster state that she deserved it.  The general sentiment seems to be that (A) people are NOT inherently good and that (B) drinking yourself into a coma leaves you vulnerable to the actions of such people.

But for some reason, this is difficult for a lot to understand here.  And apparently agreeing with the above makes you a rape apologist.


Well, all you people are doing is shaming victims. I'm sure that rape victims dont suffer enough. They totally need more finger wagging from all the security experts on Fark. And it doesnt come off at all as if you are telling people it was their fault they got raped...even though their attackers made the important decision to do the crime.

/i would never walk naked in a bad neighborhood but I really should be able to do so safely, because a naked woman does not force a man into violent copulation. That's the most retarded argument men ever tried to put over on women.
 
2013-03-17 01:14:31 PM

ELKAY: Wow, a slap on the wrist. And if they'd been dealing drugs they'd have been charged as adults and gotten 20 years. Pathetic. These monsters are actually being given a chance to rejoin society after only one year.


Do they have to register as sex offenders  being juvies?
 
2013-03-17 01:14:36 PM

Trixie212: One more time, moron. I said she SHARED responsibility. SHARED. They get the blame for taking advantage of her but she SHARES responsibility.


Saying she "shares" responsibility with the people who sexually assaulted her implies that her drinking to the point of a blackout is in of itself a crime or moral failing almost on par with the act of sexual assault on its own.

Her decision to consume as much as alcohol as she did was a bad choice, but she doesn't "share" anything with them. I might make a bad choice to leave a bar by myself through a back alley because it's a shortcut to my car instead of through the front door, and run into a mugger. I don't see why I would have to "share" responsibility with someone who committed robbery against me, when his act was an actual crime and mine was simply a "bad decision".
 
2013-03-17 01:14:39 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: ITT: We also know for certain that the vicim knew exactly what she was drinking.

Truly we should accept any and all drinks from anyone who gives them to us.

I mean, strangers don't exist where there's booze right?


Why are you so sure that these guys were strangers to this girl?
 
2013-03-17 01:14:55 PM

iaazathot: Ah, I see all the rape apologists are present, good, good.

These kids should be shot.  There I said it.


I'm just going to go ahead and assume that at least half of them are trolls. They've  got nothing better to do than yank on your chain just to watch you get pissed. F*ck 'em.
 
2013-03-17 01:15:11 PM

Bontesla: BarkingUnicorn: Bontesla: Except that anyone completely attributing this night to alcohol is engaging in unfounded speculation.

I'm not saying drugs were involved - but certainly police that the possibility existed. It just could not be proven.

Which is exactly what I said.  "We can't tell" and "we don't prove it" put us on the same side of the fence.

The question of drugs didn't matter in the end. It's irrelevant to this case.

Meh. We will just disagree on this.

I think we both agree that rape is rape. But - the use of drugs and the potential for there being multiple victims from that night is something I find particularly striking. Also boys assigning themselves the name "Rape Crew" it being known before the night of the rape is also disturbing.

It's something that brings this . . . truly terrible act into possibly many truly terrible acts that have happened before and likely after this particular case.


It certainly is under criminal law.  Apportionment of responsibility occurs in civil litigation and in the court of public opinion.  Standards of evidence and proof are also lower, and tend to vanish when they become inconvenient.
 
2013-03-17 01:15:39 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Bontesla:

Also - specifically what qualifies as behaviors in which rape is likely? Unlocking your car door after work? Wearing a sweater? Wearing a skirt? Drinking in public? Being friends with men? Wearing red lipstick? Showing ankles?

No. Rape is never the victim's fault.

Drinking to excess while surrounded by people we don't know and then relying on said unknown quantity of strangers to protect us from any and all harm feels like a pretty farking good start.


You're actually assuming facts that the police never established. . . . but please continue to make assumptions in order to justify rape.
 
2013-03-17 01:16:04 PM
The cool thing is that you can now bring up "rape culture" in a conversation and instantly get into a feminist's pants.
 
2013-03-17 01:16:07 PM
The Great EZE: Was Fark always a place for rape apologists and /b/-level trolls or am I just getting old and tired of this site?

You must be new here.
 
2013-03-17 01:16:09 PM

hasty ambush: ELKAY: Wow, a slap on the wrist. And if they'd been dealing drugs they'd have been charged as adults and gotten 20 years. Pathetic. These monsters are actually being given a chance to rejoin society after only one year.

Do they have to register as sex offenders  being juvies?


According to the news reports yes. They'll be on the sex offender registry for life.
 
2013-03-17 01:16:15 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: InitialCommentGuy: Truly we should accept any and all drinks from anyone who gives them to us.

I mean, strangers don't exist where there's booze right?

If only all sixteen year olds were as wise and above it all as you.


These days children are taught from an early age of stranger danger.  Don't eat, drink, etc. anything given to you by a stranger.  Apparently they just mystically lose this understanding at 14-18.  I'm sorry, but taking drinks in that atmosphere is a huge no-no per everything we teach, but apparently it is alright to forget basic lessons as long as booze are involved?
 
2013-03-17 01:16:27 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Bontesla:

Also - specifically what qualifies as behaviors in which rape is likely? Unlocking your car door after work? Wearing a sweater? Wearing a skirt? Drinking in public? Being friends with men? Wearing red lipstick? Showing ankles?

No. Rape is never the victim's fault.

Drinking to excess while surrounded by people we don't know and then relying on said unknown quantity of strangers to protect us from any and all harm feels like a pretty farking good start.


Again, people are not required to look out for themselves.  That's not how the world works.  They shouldn't have to be worried about getting raped if they drink themselves stupid. Don't you get it???
 
2013-03-17 01:16:59 PM

Theaetetus: ^This is what a pro-rape sociopath looks like.

/update your farkies, everyone


I have somewhere under a dozen farkies.

I'll probably double that number thanks to this thread.

/seriously, are you f--king kidding me
//getting the f--k out of here for now because if I see victim written with quotes around it one more f--king time, I'm going to punch out the computer screen
 
2013-03-17 01:17:35 PM
I don't have a lot to add except thank you to the guys here who have piped to say that men can make decisions not to have sex or make a judgement call that there is a certain point where a person is too drunk to have consensual sex.
 
2013-03-17 01:17:43 PM
"She didn't really respond to it," he said.

You have the right to complain only when you are old enough that YOU don't respond to it.
 
2013-03-17 01:18:04 PM

Trixie212: casey17: InitialCommentGuy: casey17:


I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link


Anyone who assumes you shouldn't drink to comatose must be a sociopath/rapist/child abuser.

Yep, standard tactics out in force today.

Tak the Hideous New Girl: casey17: Trixie212: adamgreeney: Trixie212: jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too

I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".

I imagine it was quite brutal to her. Good god, it is probably the worst thing that will happen to her and will stay with her for life. Just because worse things happen doesn't mean she should have a stiff upper lip and move on.

I have sons and I gave daughters and I've tried to imagine how I would feel if it was any of my kids who were involved in this. My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have understood her being hurt and upset and I know she would have had to deal with the consequences for a long time.

But at the end of the day, the consequences began with the choices she made. If this girls' former friends are to be believed, she was a bit of a train wreck. Ideally, she could be a train wreck and affect no one other than herself but we all know that's not the way society works.

The boys will pay the consequences for this all the rest of their days. Rightly so? Maybe. I just think she shares in the responsibility of what happened to her.

I feel so sorry for your daughter. I can see her ending up like this poor girl. Link

I don't even know who did the bolded bit but Holy fark. Really?

Those would be the words of Trixie212.

Yep. Shame on me. I raised my sons to treat women with respect and I raised my daughters to understand that all boys aren't raised the way their brothers were. I raised all of my kids to understand that if they CHOSE to engage in dangerous behavior, consequences would ensue. Should I have raised them to expect cotton candy and roses from everybody they came in contact with?


Did you raise your sons to believe that a drunk woman has "just as much responsibility" for her rape as the rapist, or just your daughters?
 
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