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2013-03-17 12:10:33 PM

ChuDogg: InfrasonicTom: ELKAY: Wow, a slap on the wrist. And if they'd been dealing drugs they'd have been charged as adults and gotten 20 years. Pathetic. These monsters are actually being given a chance to rejoin society after only one year.

Let's be serious, they are suburban whites.


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Yup. You're a moron.


And the white kid got a longer sentence.

Reverse racism!!1!
 
2013-03-17 12:10:53 PM

Theaetetus: InitialCommentGuy: The My Little Pony Killer: InitialCommentGuy: Of course.  Anonymous strikes and forces the hand on a case of digital manipulation while intoxicated.

Truly justice vengeance whining until things take their course then taking credit for great social justice has been served by the Internet community.

fark off and die.  Violently.  In a fire.

/asshole

Sorry kid.  Your actions have little to nothing to do with how the case was resolved.  This is textbook for the guilty verdict as digital penetration (the absolute only thing that was covered for at least one of them) was the only thing captured and confirmed.

Remember: It is always rape.  Always.  Even if you decide to drink, loosen up and screw around with guys over the span of several parties.

Hypnotiq is not a mind control drug.  It is a shiatty liquor.

^This is what a pro-rape sociopath looks like.

/update your farkies, everyone


There are a lot of them in here today. Apparently, getting raped while unconscious isn't brutal and she needs to get over it. And it's just nature/evolution that made them all have sex so we can't blame them for giving in to their natural urges.

/excuse me while i vomit in disgust.
 
2013-03-17 12:11:00 PM

Uncle Tractor: mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x529]

Is it possible that those guys really did not know that they were doing something wrong?


Doubtful.


At that third party, the girl could not walk on her own and vomited several times before toppling onto her side, several witnesses testified. Mays then tried to coerce the girl into giving him oral sex, but the girl was unresponsive, according to the player who videotaped Mays and the girl.

Richmond was behind her, with his hands between her legs, penetrating her with his fingers, a witness said.


"I tried to tell Trent to stop it," another athlete, who was Mays's best friend, testified. "You know, I told him, 'Just wait - wait till she wakes up if you're going to do any of this stuff. Don't do anything you're going to regret.' "

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sports/high-school-football-rape-c as e-unfolds-online-and-divides-steubenville-ohio.html?pagewanted=all&_r= 0
 
2013-03-17 12:11:19 PM

yelmrog: captainmaxthedestroyer: Perhaps the underage retarded girl who got black-out drunk in an unsafe environment learned her lesson as well?

Probably not.

She was totally asking for it, right?


Not saying that.  And I'm not saying that rape isn't wrong or even that it wasn't rape in this case.  It appears it was.

I'm saying that if you get shiat-faced and pass out face down, ass up, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced and get behind the wheel, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced at a bar and start talking shiat to somebody, there is a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.
 
2013-03-17 12:11:36 PM
Finally, the messages showed Mr. Mays pleading with the girl not to press charges because it would damage his football career

Holy shiat, this guy isn't even 18 and he's already a huge sociopath. Lock him up and throw away the key, he'll only get worse as he gets older.
 
2013-03-17 12:11:59 PM

SundaesChild: Altitude5280: That shiat hole town is so divided on this, I don't see how that girl and her family can keep living there. And when those creeps get out of "Juvie," it won't be hard to avoid each other.

She lives across the river in West Virginia.


In a van?
 
2013-03-17 12:12:27 PM

Madbassist1: Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Madbassist1: Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.

 Males are always responsible for their actions, dumbass. Only females get the free pass.

Tell me of your homeworld.

Thats the way it is, lady, just because you pretend it isn't, doesnt mean that its not true.

Oh and for more details about the case, including snippets of the 'victim's' behavior

http://www.daytondailynews.com/ap/ap/top-news/judge-to-issue-verdict -i n-ohio-school-rape-case/nWtbH/


Said snippets:
The teenage girl testified Saturday that she could not recall what happened the night of the attack but remembered waking up naked in a strange house after drinking at a party. The girl said she recalled drinking, leaving the party holding hands with Mays and throwing up later. When she woke up, she said she discovered her phone, earrings, shoes, and underwear were missing, she testified.

"It was really scary," she said. "I honestly did not know what to think because I could not remember anything."

The girl said she believed she was assaulted when she later read text messages among friends and saw a photo of herself taken that night, along with a video that made fun of her and the alleged attack. She said she suspected she had been drugged because she couldn't explain being as intoxicated as defense witnesses have said she was.

...  The two girls testified they were angry at the accuser because she was drinking heavily at the party and rolling around on the floor. They said they tried unsuccessfully to get her to stop drinking.


Yeah, clearly your quotes around "victim" are warranted, and you're not a pro-rape sociopath.

/oh, wait... yes, you are.
 
2013-03-17 12:12:30 PM

bulldg4life: Quaker: I haven't really been following this story, so in this context then you're right it's irrelevant. I was just responding to what seems to be an assertion that people aren't responsible for their drunken decisions.

Well, obviously. As you mentioned, we have laws that hold people accountable for their actions while drunk. However, we also have a clearly defined limit, too.

But, as I said, you probably don't want to start making that argument in this thread lest people believe you are discussing this case.


There's a clearly defined limit of intoxication beyond which we don't hold people accountable for their actions?

And people won't get the wrong idea about what I said if they bother to read the quote to which it was in response. If they don't then it's their error, so I'm ok with that.
 
2013-03-17 12:12:33 PM

Trixie212: My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys.


Go read some details about the case.  Seriously.
 
2013-03-17 12:12:49 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Popular Opinion:

these days it seems kids that do what they want based on whether they think they can get away with it, not on whether it is right or wrong.

I know the rest of your post is a brilliant concern troll, but we need to face some facts here.  This isn't a 'kids these days' situation.  Everyone tries to get away with everything everywhere they can since the dawn of time.

Of course we should also look into the fact that this same 'get away with anything' included witness intimidation by Anonymous . .  .


i can't speak for everyone, but i wasn't raised like that.
i either thought santa claus or some higher power would know everything i did, and that i would be punished for all sins eventually.
 
2013-03-17 12:13:11 PM

captainmaxthedestroyer: yelmrog: captainmaxthedestroyer: Perhaps the underage retarded girl who got black-out drunk in an unsafe environment learned her lesson as well?

Probably not.

She was totally asking for it, right?

Not saying that.  And I'm not saying that rape isn't wrong or even that it wasn't rape in this case.  It appears it was.

I'm saying that if you get shiat-faced and pass out face down, ass up, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced and get behind the wheel, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced at a bar and start talking shiat to somebody, there is a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.


You can never, ever, ever blame the victim.  What kind of person are you to suggest that an individual should rely on their own self awareness and not repeatedly put themselves into situations where they are likely to suffer harm over a period of days/weeks?
 
2013-03-17 12:13:22 PM
skwerl:
First of all, I have no knowledge of the case other than what was presented in this one article so my opinion is based on generalities and not this particular case.

That much is clear. You could have just stopped here. But you didn't...

I'm bothered that a couple 16 year old boys get drunk and have sex, then get convicted of rape and go to jail for it. The 16 year old girl they had sex with is the 'victim' and has society fawning over her. If all you people up on your high and mighty horses want the two boys on the sexual predator's list for life, then the girl also needs to be put on the list for life.

The girl was unconscious. They took videos of her, dragging her around
by her toneless arms and legs and even calling her a "dead body" throughout. Why in the hell should she get put on a sexual predators' list for life? What the fark is your problem? Oh yeah, you have no knowledge of this case. Your opinion which is "based on generalities" is pretty moronic and scary, nonetheless.
 
2013-03-17 12:13:41 PM
We're gonna need a table of putting-what-into-who's-where is and is not rape.
 
2013-03-17 12:14:14 PM

Bender The Offender: Popcorn Johnny: Musikslayer: Popcorn Johnny:  drunken, consensual

Oxymoron, dumbass.

Drunk people never have consensual sex? I guess I'm guilty of raping my girlfriend about 237 times.

If by "girlfriend" you mean your "right hand", then I would imgaine you are. Look, you're a farking half-wit internet troll. You get off on being an asshole and pissing off random strangers on the internet. I can't believe someone whose life is so empty that they derive their life's enjoyment through being coonts to random strangers is going to have much, if anything, positive going on in their life. You don't have a girlfriend. You don't have a car. You don't have a home outside of the 8x5 dungeon that your parents have resentfully allowed you to stake out in exchange for not having the most glaring example of their failure breathing heavily through his mouth at the breakfast table. Of course, you'll try to come up with something clever or contrived but will fail and make a deriviative insult that you've read by someone more clever than yourself. That is what's expected. You're a dumb animal and I understand what happens when you provoke a stupid animal, but I'm just glad that we can get this out there. I'm glad that even as you use those giant sausages to pound out another moronic ode to public education and inbred genetics intellect, you realize that there are a lot of people out there that see you for who you are and will not take a moment beyond a quiet chuckle when this cruel isolative existence leads up to the inevitable conclusior of you chewing down a barrel full of buckshot.


What the fark did you just farking say about me, you little biatch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fark out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my farking words. You think you can get away with saying that shiat to me over the Internet? Think again, farker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're farking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shiat. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your farking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shiat fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're farking dead, kiddo.
 
2013-03-17 12:14:14 PM

arbitterm: It would only be justice if they were forced to register as sex offenders. Goodbye good college or career.


Even though they're minors, their names and faces have been plastered all over the news. This will follow them for a loooong time.
 
2013-03-17 12:14:44 PM

captainmaxthedestroyer: yelmrog: captainmaxthedestroyer: Perhaps the underage retarded girl who got black-out drunk in an unsafe environment learned her lesson as well?

Probably not.

She was totally asking for it, right?

Not saying that.  And I'm not saying that rape isn't wrong or even that it wasn't rape in this case.  It appears it was.

I'm saying that if you get shiat-faced and pass out face down, ass up, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced and get behind the wheel, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced at a bar and start talking shiat to somebody, there is a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.


Why the passive voice? "Something bad is going to happen to you"? With drunk driving, there's a chance you could fall asleep and veer off the road and hit a tree, sure. There's no other actor involved, but what about the other two? Why try to hide the fact that there's an affirmative actor, a rapist, behind this vague "something bad is going to happen" as if it's a force of nature or a statistical likelihood, rather than a criminal?  Isn't your very language attempting to remove blame from the rapist?
 
2013-03-17 12:14:49 PM
Popular Opinion:

i can't speak for everyone, but i wasn't raised like that.
i either thought santa claus or some higher power would know everything i did, and that i would be punished for all sins eventually.


Weirdo.
 
2013-03-17 12:15:10 PM

Trixie212: adamgreeney: Trixie212: jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too

I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".

I imagine it was quite brutal to her. Good god, it is probably the worst thing that will happen to her and will stay with her for life. Just because worse things happen doesn't mean she should have a stiff upper lip and move on.

I have sons and I gave daughters and I've tried to imagine how I would feel if it was any of my kids who were involved in this. My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have understood her being hurt and upset and I know she would have had to deal with the consequences for a long time.

But at the end of the day, the consequences began with the choices she made. If this girls' former friends are to be believed, she was a bit of a train wreck. Ideally, she could be a train wreck and affect no one other than herself but we all know that's not the way society works.

The boys will pay the consequences for this all the rest of their days. Rightly so? Maybe. I just think she shares in the responsibility of what happened to her.


I don't say this lightly, but you in no way should be a parent or be allowed to have any say in the ethical upbringing of children. Jesus christ, you're the reason women are afraid to come forward about being raped and are afraid to say no.

In no way is she responsible for what they forcibly did to her. She didn't consent, she didn't ask for it, she just got drunk. People get drunk all the time. By your reasoning, any woman out drinking should expect and accept that they might get raped, and it's their fault if it happens for making bad choices.

Even if the girl was a "train wreck," that doesn't justify anything. Many girls are seen as "sluts" and "train wrecks," but that doesn't mean they have a welcome mat over their vagina when they are passed out. I'm honestly disgusted that you find any fault with her at all.
 
2013-03-17 12:15:11 PM

yelmrog: Trixie212: My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys.

Go read some details about the case.  Seriously.


I've been reading the details for several days. I never said the boys weren't guilty. They are, without a doubt.
 
2013-03-17 12:15:17 PM

adamgreeney: The prosecutor, in my opinion, dropped the ball because they were afraid pushing for a harsher sentence would be tossed out due to the culture of the town and the ridiculous bias towards the kids and the football team. They deserve more, but they didn't get it. At least they got put away for a while.


I'm not a lawyer, but the legal analysts were saying that to get juveniles convicted as an adult with any kind of success rate you either need to show them as career criminals (repeat offenders) or really cold blooded farkers.  The entire assault was 6 hours, but not really something you could break into multiple occurrences so repeat offender was out.  For the cold blooded thing, the kids were drunk and being cheered on by the crowd.  While that doesn't excuse the rape, it makes it hard to paint them as cold blooded scum.  The defense will just come back with young, dumb, and drunk morons whose handle should be handled by a juvenile court (and you only have to convince part of a jury to hang it).

I was thinking about it as a juror and trying them as an adult would be a bit of an uphill battle.  The prosecutors were bringing in other witnesses who performed acts but were given immunity and all that.  So it would be a bit of a hard sell to say "Well these guys get to walk, these guys in the video we're not even going after, but these two, we want to try them as adults."  If you're going to cherry pick out two people from the entire group of juvenile scum and argue these two alone deserve to go up the river as adults, you better have something good on them.  Supposedly the prosecutors were having trouble getting people to testify, so I can see why they might want to play it a bit safe.

/really justice would be making the kids pay massive restitution to cover the girl's therapy bills
 
2013-03-17 12:15:44 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Theaetetus:

^This is what a pro-rape sociopath looks like.

/update your farkies, everyone

Oh no! Not Theaetetus!  I mean, I could have accepted such ridiculous barbs from anyone else but not such a pillar of our community.


No, you're a sociopath. You don't care what I call you, by definition. The point is to identify you so that others aren't misled into believing you.
 
2013-03-17 12:15:46 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Of course, when these same sorts of assholes terrorize and assault other boys in high school, we tell the other boys to "man up," because assault isn't a crime unless it's against a girl.


Good point. Why aren't we talking about the REAL victims in this story, some hypothetical male victims?

Any attention given to this real, actual, female victim does a grave injustice to those hypothetical boys. I am glad you are here to set our priorities straight.
 
2013-03-17 12:15:59 PM
Putting your fingers inside the school whore who is drunk is considered rape now?

an insult to true victims out there.
 
2013-03-17 12:16:09 PM

farkplug: The texts the wonderful young Mr. Mays sent?


If bragging about getting sex from a drunk chick was a crime, most of the men in America would be locked up.
 
2013-03-17 12:16:30 PM

Quaker: There's a clearly defined limit of intoxication beyond which we don't hold people accountable for their actions?


Well, yes. That's why drunk girls can have sex, but unconscious blacked out girls can be raped. See, there's a limit to where "being drunk" isn't enough of an excuse. We just discussed this two posts ago.

Quaker: And people won't get the wrong idea about what I said if they bother to read the quote to which it was in response. If they don't then it's their error, so I'm ok with that.


Hey, boss, just trying to help.
 
2013-03-17 12:16:46 PM

Theaetetus: InitialCommentGuy: Theaetetus:

^This is what a pro-rape sociopath looks like.

/update your farkies, everyone

Oh no! Not Theaetetus!  I mean, I could have accepted such ridiculous barbs from anyone else but not such a pillar of our community.

No, you're a sociopath. You don't care what I call you, by definition. The point is to identify you so that others aren't misled into believing you.


Yes, please do prattle on about your brilliant identification.  Anyone who does not fit within your ideology must be a sociopath right?
 
2013-03-17 12:16:56 PM

Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.


So are people responsible for their actions when they're drunk, or are they not?
 
2013-03-17 12:17:50 PM

Mistymtnhop: She was sixteen! Drunk or not. Sixteen.


This is going to come as a shock to you, but the age of consent in a majority of states, including Ohio, is 16.
 
2013-03-17 12:18:25 PM

Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.


What are you, Indian?
 
2013-03-17 12:18:31 PM

Theaetetus: captainmaxthedestroyer: yelmrog: captainmaxthedestroyer: Perhaps the underage retarded girl who got black-out drunk in an unsafe environment learned her lesson as well?

Probably not.

She was totally asking for it, right?

Not saying that.  And I'm not saying that rape isn't wrong or even that it wasn't rape in this case.  It appears it was.

I'm saying that if you get shiat-faced and pass out face down, ass up, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced and get behind the wheel, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced at a bar and start talking shiat to somebody, there is a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

Why the passive voice? "Something bad is going to happen to you"? With drunk driving, there's a chance you could fall asleep and veer off the road and hit a tree, sure. There's no other actor involved, but what about the other two? Why try to hide the fact that there's an affirmative actor, a rapist, behind this vague "something bad is going to happen" as if it's a force of nature or a statistical likelihood, rather than a criminal?  Isn't your very language attempting to remove blame from the rapist?


Nope, men just biologically can't help themselves. Their dicks are magnetically attracted to drunk, unconscious girls. They can't be blamed! It's HER fault! Sheesh.

I love how every example the actor is the drunk making choices that affect them, except for the rape one which is simply slut shaming. Awesome.
 
2013-03-17 12:19:07 PM

WhippingBoy: Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.

So are people responsible for their actions when they're drunk, or are they not?


Depends on genitalia.

If you're an innie?  No.

Outie?  You're responsible for your own behavior and the behavior of any and all drunk innies you come into contact with.  They don't know any better, so you must protect them.
 
2013-03-17 12:19:30 PM

adamgreeney: Trixie212: adamgreeney: Trixie212: jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too

I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".

I imagine it was quite brutal to her. Good god, it is probably the worst thing that will happen to her and will stay with her for life. Just because worse things happen doesn't mean she should have a stiff upper lip and move on.

I have sons and I gave daughters and I've tried to imagine how I would feel if it was any of my kids who were involved in this. My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have understood her being hurt and upset and I know she would have had to deal with the consequences for a long time.

But at the end of the day, the consequences began with the choices she made. If this girls' former friends are to be believed, she was a bit of a train wreck. Ideally, she could be a train wreck and affect no one other than herself but we all know that's not the way society works.

The boys will pay the consequences for this all the rest of their days. Rightly so? Maybe. I just think she shares in the responsibility of what happened to her.

I don't say this lightly, but you in no way should be a parent or be allowed to have any say in the ethical upbringing of children. Jesus christ, you're the reason women are afraid to come forward about being raped and are afraid to say no.

In no way is she responsible for what they forcibly did to her. She didn't consent, she didn't ask for it, she just got drunk. People get drunk all the time. By your reasoning, any woman out drinking should expect and accept that they might get raped, and it's their fault if it happens for making bad choices.

Even if the girl was a "train wreck," that doesn't justify anything. Many girls are seen as "sluts" and "train wrecks," but that doesn't mean they have a welcome mat over their vagina when they are passed out. I'm honestly disgusted that you find any fault with her at all.


You're allowed to be disgusted. Why do you ignore the fact that I've said they had no right to touch her and are guilty. That doesn't negate the fact that she shares some responsibility.

/don't care if you agree or understand
 
2013-03-17 12:20:14 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Theaetetus: InitialCommentGuy: Theaetetus:

^This is what a pro-rape sociopath looks like.

/update your farkies, everyone

Oh no! Not Theaetetus!  I mean, I could have accepted such ridiculous barbs from anyone else but not such a pillar of our community.

No, you're a sociopath. You don't care what I call you, by definition. The point is to identify you so that others aren't misled into believing you.

Yes, please do prattle on about your brilliant identification.  Anyone who does not fit within your ideology must be a sociopath right?


Keep digging. The more you talk, the more people see you for what you are.
 
2013-03-17 12:20:21 PM

adamgreeney: Theaetetus: InitialCommentGuy: The My Little Pony Killer: InitialCommentGuy: Of course.  Anonymous strikes and forces the hand on a case of digital manipulation while intoxicated.

Truly justice vengeance whining until things take their course then taking credit for great social justice has been served by the Internet community.

fark off and die.  Violently.  In a fire.

/asshole

Sorry kid.  Your actions have little to nothing to do with how the case was resolved.  This is textbook for the guilty verdict as digital penetration (the absolute only thing that was covered for at least one of them) was the only thing captured and confirmed.

Remember: It is always rape.  Always.  Even if you decide to drink, loosen up and screw around with guys over the span of several parties.

Hypnotiq is not a mind control drug.  It is a shiatty liquor.

^This is what a pro-rape sociopath looks like.

/update your farkies, everyone

There are a lot of them in here today. Apparently, getting raped while unconscious isn't brutal and she needs to get over it. And it's just nature/evolution that made them all have sex so we can't blame them for giving in to their natural urges.

/excuse me while i vomit in disgust.


There's some (very limited) evidence that suggests she was drugged. She had no memory of the nights before and wasn't even aware of what happened until she started hearing about how she was raped. Her mother then collected all of the evidence she could find (on the internet) and they went to the police. By that time - so much time had elapsed that there was no physical evidence of penetration and there were no chemical evidence of what the victim had ingested.

However - given eye witness testimony, the subsequent memory loss, and being unconscious - it's certainly plausible that she was drugged. Medical experts said that her behavior, loss of control, and unresponsiveness was consistent with many popular date rape drugs and the memory loss was very telling - but there's no chemical evidence collected to suggest that it happened.

It also appears that this girl isn't the only one with memory loss. There were some anonymous accounts in which a few other girls awoke to find themselves partially disrobed - with no memory. The victim and her family started to receive death threats and were bullied online. No one else came forward to say they were victims despite there being pictures of other girls passed out partially disrobed. Either the other girls wanted to lie about potentially being raped and then thought better of it or they were actually potentially raped and decided not to come forward.

This is all very . . . tragic.
 
2013-03-17 12:20:45 PM

adamgreeney: I love how every example the actor is the drunk making choices that affect them, except for the rape one which is simply slut shaming. Awesome.


Hey, at least she didn't ask to use free condoms!
 
2013-03-17 12:20:46 PM

captainmaxthedestroyer: I'm saying that if you get shiat-faced and pass out face down, ass up, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced and get behind the wheel, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced at a bar and start talking shiat to somebody, there is a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.


Only in the latter two instances, the person you describe actually has the ability to make decisions.  You can choose not to get behind the wheel.  You can choose not to talk shiat to the roid-head.  This girl didn't have those choices.
 
2013-03-17 12:20:48 PM

Quaker: Musikslayer: Popcorn Johnny:  drunken, consensual

Oxymoron, dumbass.

So are you saying that drunk people aren't responsible for their own drunken decisions? Because I don't see how you could apply that logic to sex but not to other decisions like driving drunk or drunkenly assaulting someone.


Drunk is bad.  But unconscious is unacceptable.  I prefer my women awake when we start.  Maybe in a near coma, drooling, babbling incoherently and having lost all motor control when we finish.  The first prime requisite for consensual sex should always be that she KNOWS she's having sex.  Not just suspects it the next day.
 
2013-03-17 12:21:00 PM

Theaetetus: captainmaxthedestroyer: yelmrog: captainmaxthedestroyer: Perhaps the underage retarded girl who got black-out drunk in an unsafe environment learned her lesson as well?

Probably not.

She was totally asking for it, right?

Not saying that.  And I'm not saying that rape isn't wrong or even that it wasn't rape in this case.  It appears it was.

I'm saying that if you get shiat-faced and pass out face down, ass up, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced and get behind the wheel, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced at a bar and start talking shiat to somebody, there is a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

Why the passive voice? "Something bad is going to happen to you"? With drunk driving, there's a chance you could fall asleep and veer off the road and hit a tree, sure. There's no other actor involved, but what about the other two? Why try to hide the fact that there's an affirmative actor, a rapist, behind this vague "something bad is going to happen" as if it's a force of nature or a statistical likelihood, rather than a criminal?  Isn't your very language attempting to remove blame from the rapist?


You're way off base here.

What the fark is an affirmative actor?  In no way did I denounce the guilty for giving in to their temptation.

I just believe that people are foolish and naive in mindset to believe that it's society's obligation to take care of them when they put themselves into bad situations.  The world is not a nice and gentle place.  There are predators out there and if you choose to intoxicate yourself because you believe otherwise you shouldn't be surprised when you get attacked.
 
2013-03-17 12:21:31 PM

Trixie212: You're allowed to be disgusted. Why do you ignore the fact that I've said they had no right to touch her and are guilty. That doesn't negate the fact that she shares some responsibility.

/don't care if you agree or understand


Because when you are the one being penetrated you are never to blame
 
2013-03-17 12:21:38 PM

arbitterm: It would only be justice if they were forced to register as sex offenders. Goodbye good college or career.


I see you're not alone here with your misbelief, but sex offenders registries were never created to be punative measures.
 
2013-03-17 12:21:47 PM

InitialCommentGuy: Theaetetus: InitialCommentGuy: Theaetetus:

^This is what a pro-rape sociopath looks like.

/update your farkies, everyone

Oh no! Not Theaetetus!  I mean, I could have accepted such ridiculous barbs from anyone else but not such a pillar of our community.

No, you're a sociopath. You don't care what I call you, by definition. The point is to identify you so that others aren't misled into believing you.

Yes, please do prattle on about your brilliant identification.  Anyone who does not fit within your ideology must be a sociopath right?


No, but anyone defending rapists and justifying their actions is a sociopath. We don't hear anyone defend Jeffery Dahmer because of his different "ideology," we just accept he's a sociopath, and anyone that thinks what he did is ok is probably one too. You're defending the brutal violation of a teenage girl that videotaped and distributed for bragging rights. That isn't ideology, it's you showing us that you're a sociopath.
 
2013-03-17 12:22:39 PM

oukewldave: Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?  If they were, I don't understand how they can be considered rapists, besides the fact they are male and that's how our society is.  Logically, if everyone was equally drunk, they could say she raped both of them...


She was passed out. Passed out people can't rape.
 
2013-03-17 12:22:46 PM

Theaetetus: InitialCommentGuy: Theaetetus: InitialCommentGuy: Theaetetus:

^This is what a pro-rape sociopath looks like.

/update your farkies, everyone

Oh no! Not Theaetetus!  I mean, I could have accepted such ridiculous barbs from anyone else but not such a pillar of our community.

No, you're a sociopath. You don't care what I call you, by definition. The point is to identify you so that others aren't misled into believing you.

Yes, please do prattle on about your brilliant identification.  Anyone who does not fit within your ideology must be a sociopath right?

Keep digging. The more you talk, the more people see you for what you are.


How could I survive losing face to the kind of people follow you?
 
2013-03-17 12:22:58 PM
Awkward High School Reunion Is the name of the band that should play at this class's 5 year high school reunion.
 
2013-03-17 12:23:24 PM

Trixie212: adamgreeney: Trixie212: jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too

I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".

I imagine it was quite brutal to her. Good god, it is probably the worst thing that will happen to her and will stay with her for life. Just because worse things happen doesn't mean she should have a stiff upper lip and move on.

I have sons and I gave daughters and I've tried to imagine how I would feel if it was any of my kids who were involved in this. My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have understood her being hurt and upset and I know she would have had to deal with the consequences for a long time.

But at the end of the day, the consequences began with the choices she made. If this girls' former friends are to be believed, she was a bit of a train wreck. Ideally, she could be a train wreck and affect no one other than herself but we all know that's not the way society works.

The boys will pay the consequences for this all the rest of their days. Rightly so? Maybe. I just think she shares in the responsibility of what happened to her.


she got drunk and passed out. True this was irresponsible. But I hardly think being ganged raped is a natural consequence of passing out. She was irresponsible for getting that drunk, but she hardly deserved for this to happen to her.

I really feel sorry for any daughters being raised by a rapist apologist.
 
2013-03-17 12:23:29 PM
There is no justice until there is a bullet in each of their heads.
 
2013-03-17 12:23:38 PM

Dheiner: Hoarseman: Mors: Idiots.

Football doesn't exempt you from rape laws till college.

These outcomes suggests that it at least partially insulates you from them.

I don't know about that.  If there wasn't the football player aspect, would anonymous have even noticed?  Tell me you don't think that this was the only rape to occur last year, please.  I still,sadly, think far too many rapes go unreported, and very much plea bargained away.


Well, Anonymous is not the law so they aren't really relevant. Lots of rapes are ignored, but the point remains that the punishment does not fit the crime. Could there be other reasons? Sure, but given the area and the history of the football program in the region, especially given the way the rapists defenders sought to protect them, strongly suggests that football played an important role.
 
2013-03-17 12:23:42 PM
At least they've been outed on the Internet, so no suppression of juvenile records is going to keep future schools/employers/girlfriends from knowing exactly who they are dealing with.  That may be a bigger punishment than the year or so in juvie.
 
2013-03-17 12:23:52 PM

yelmrog: captainmaxthedestroyer: I'm saying that if you get shiat-faced and pass out face down, ass up, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced and get behind the wheel, there's a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

If you get shiat-faced at a bar and start talking shiat to somebody, there is a solid chance that something bad is going to happen to you.

Only in the latter two instances, the person you describe actually has the ability to make decisions.  You can choose not to get behind the wheel.  You can choose not to talk shiat to the roid-head.  This girl didn't have those choices.


The only choice made in any of the above examples was the choice to get blitzed.  Everything that happens after the fact is proprietary.
 
2013-03-17 12:25:10 PM

Bontesla: There's some (very limited) evidence that suggests she was drugged. She had no memory of the nights before and wasn't even aware of what happened until she started hearing about how she was raped. Her mother then collected all of the evidence she could find (on the internet) and they went to the police. By that time - so much time had elapsed that there was no physical evidence of penetration and there were no chemical evidence of what the victim had ingested.


Not to mention the moniker of "rape crew" that these guys were known by prior to the event.
 
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