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(Yahoo)   Justice delivered: two members of the high school football team that is the pride of Steubenville were found guilty of raping a drunken 16-year-old girl   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 772
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2013-03-17 11:53:37 AM

InfrasonicTom: ELKAY: Wow, a slap on the wrist. And if they'd been dealing drugs they'd have been charged as adults and gotten 20 years. Pathetic. These monsters are actually being given a chance to rejoin society after only one year.

Let's be serious, they are suburban whites.  If they dealt drugs it would have been probation at worst.  They only ended up with the Juvi sentence because of the national spotlight put on the case.


You might want to examine those pictures of the defendants a LITTLE more closely there, Sparky.
 
2013-03-17 11:53:54 AM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Madbassist1: Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.

 Males are always responsible for their actions, dumbass. Only females get the free pass.

Tell me of your homeworld.


Thats the way it is, lady, just because you pretend it isn't, doesnt mean that its not true.

Oh and for more details about the case, including snippets of the 'victim's' behavior

http://www.daytondailynews.com/ap/ap/top-news/judge-to-issue-verdict -i n-ohio-school-rape-case/nWtbH/
 
2013-03-17 11:55:28 AM

jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too


I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".
 
2013-03-17 11:55:34 AM

bulldg4life: Good lord this thread got off to a wonderful start.

I've got to say, trolling a teenage rape thread on a sunday morning is a new one on Fark, I've got to believe.


Did you catch the 'all black people are criminals' thread from last night?  The very people you expect to show up in that thread didn't even bother being indirect in their racism.
 
2013-03-17 11:55:35 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-03-17 11:56:26 AM

jso2897: Madbassist1: jso2897: Rape is a logical consequence of getting drunk? I could see saying that about a terrible hangover - but I'm not sure about that rape thing.

What are you on about? I'm not following you.

I'm not surprised.


Ha ha. way to (continue) to obfuscate. Let me explain it in small words for ya. What do logical consequences have to do with this...at all? Why bring it up? Is there any use to this supposed angle? Or are you just stringing words together hoping no one will notice you're an idiot?
 
2013-03-17 11:57:00 AM

oukewldave: Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?  If they were, I don't understand how they can be considered rapists, besides the fact they are male and that's how our society is.  Logically, if everyone was equally drunk, they could say she raped both of them...


Shes female...and everyone knows women cant be guilty of rape.
 
2013-03-17 11:57:10 AM

Mors: Idiots.

Football doesn't exempt you from rape laws till college Steelers.

 
2013-03-17 11:58:05 AM

Uncle Tractor: mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x529]

Is it possible that those guys really did not know that they were doing something wrong?


these days it seems kids that do what they want based on whether they think they can get away with it, not on whether it is right or wrong.

they learned from bill clinton, and america's decision that he could be president, even if he abused women and used his power and position to take what he wants.
 
2013-03-17 11:58:35 AM

accelerus: Wow - so you can rape a minor and only have to do a year in jail?

This makes me wonder how those guys on "to catch a predator" can get multiple years worth of hard prison time, along with a lifetime sex offender status for simply showing up to a house containing NO UNDERAGE GIRLS.

I fully realize in both example - the guys are scum, but getting a slap on the wrist for doing the crime, and then getting your life taken away for thinking about doing the crime... wow.

How long till we see these guys in the news again for raping someone after they are out of juvenile? I'd love to see some hard data on the probability of a sexual offender doing a repeat offense X number of years after caught.

Why not just make a rule that says "if you are convicted of rape, you will have your junk cut off, and be put in a hard labor camp for 20 years -- or we hang out, your choice"  Sure it sounds harsh... but anyone who would actually rape someone isn't someone that should be allowed to take up space in what otherwise might be a good society.



First of all, I have no knowledge of the case other than what was presented in this one article so my opinion is based on generalities and not this particular case.

I'm bothered that a couple 16 year old boys get drunk and have sex, then get convicted of rape and go to jail for it. The 16 year old girl they had sex with is the 'victim' and has society fawning over her. If all you people up on your high and mighty horses want the two boys on the sexual predator's list for life, then the girl also needs to be put on the list for life.

Besides, the 'list' is a farce. Sex is a natural animal instinct practiced by every single living organism on earth. There are a few twisted individuals who overstep the bounds of accepted human decency but far too many are wrongly tattooed with the Scarlet Letter on their foreheads for life. 16 year old kids have hormones raging. All three of them got drunk and fell victim to natural human instinct.
 
2013-03-17 11:58:57 AM

Trixie212: jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too

I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".


I imagine it was quite brutal to her. Good god, it is probably the worst thing that will happen to her and will stay with her for life. Just because worse things happen doesn't mean she should have a stiff upper lip and move on.
 
2013-03-17 11:59:45 AM

Uncle Tractor: mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x529]

Is it possible that those guys really did not know that they were doing something wrong?


Unlikely. Even if that were true then they should be placed in a home for the criminally insane and not left to wander around amongst normal peple doing things "their way"
 
2013-03-17 11:59:53 AM

Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.


She was sixteen! Drunk or not. Sixteen.
 
2013-03-17 12:00:12 PM

Polyhazard: ginandbacon: Oh goody. Another Fark rape apologist thread.

I dunno, up until this point I have been pleasantly surprised. Thanks for being sensible people, most of yez!


Your ignore list must be more up-to-date than mine.
 
2013-03-17 12:00:16 PM

ChuDogg: InfrasonicTom: ELKAY: Wow, a slap on the wrist. And if they'd been dealing drugs they'd have been charged as adults and gotten 20 years. Pathetic. These monsters are actually being given a chance to rejoin society after only one year.

Let's be serious, they are suburban whites.


[l.yimg.com image 850x725]

Yup. You're a moron.


Williams?
 
2013-03-17 12:00:47 PM
It's really high time to start doing this North Korea style.

Where would we have to start, and which parts of the Constitution need to be put through the shredder in order to make verdicts such as these more.......publicly violent?
 
2013-03-17 12:00:52 PM

Big Ramifications: Could you have chosen a more pissweak light-on-facts news story if you tried? The comments section alludes to so much more. Very frustrating.


Came to say pretty much this.  The NYT has a nice reprise of the trial.
 
2013-03-17 12:01:26 PM
So who provided the liquor to this young lady at the party anyway?
 
2013-03-17 12:01:27 PM

Bontesla: oukewldave: Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?  If they were, I don't understand how they can be considered rapists, besides the fact they are male and that's how our society is.  Logically, if everyone was equally drunk, they could say she raped both of them...

Apparently everyone knew it was rape. Kids attending the various parties tweeted about how Rape Me by Nirvana was the song of the night.

At one point - the victim was so disoriented that she was carried in and out of the various parties. Reports were that the boys were showing her off - lifting up her skirt and touching her (some of this photographed) while she was unconscious.


Ok nm. They're douchebags.
 
2013-03-17 12:01:28 PM

Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.


I sort of can't stand when people say "nobody here knows... what happened". Did you not pay attention to the trial? The texts the wonderful young Mr. Mays sent? Lock the rapists up! And to think she thought of him as a trusted friend, but he continued to play her even afterward. What an asshole. Poor girl.
 
2013-03-17 12:01:31 PM
What about the dick on the video? Shouldn't he be tried? If for nothing less than his lame jokes. He just sat there and played to the video and did shiat. If ever there was was punchable, that prick is it.
 
2013-03-17 12:01:39 PM

GAT_00: Did you catch the 'all black people are criminals' thread from last night?


I had no idea there was a thread for the NBA basketball games last night.
 
2013-03-17 12:01:43 PM

skwerl: accelerus: Wow - so you can rape a minor and only have to do a year in jail?

This makes me wonder how those guys on "to catch a predator" can get multiple years worth of hard prison time, along with a lifetime sex offender status for simply showing up to a house containing NO UNDERAGE GIRLS.

I fully realize in both example - the guys are scum, but getting a slap on the wrist for doing the crime, and then getting your life taken away for thinking about doing the crime... wow.

How long till we see these guys in the news again for raping someone after they are out of juvenile? I'd love to see some hard data on the probability of a sexual offender doing a repeat offense X number of years after caught.

Why not just make a rule that says "if you are convicted of rape, you will have your junk cut off, and be put in a hard labor camp for 20 years -- or we hang out, your choice"  Sure it sounds harsh... but anyone who would actually rape someone isn't someone that should be allowed to take up space in what otherwise might be a good society.


First of all, I have no knowledge of the case other than what was presented in this one article so my opinion is based on generalities and not this particular case.

I'm bothered that a couple 16 year old boys get drunk and have sex, then get convicted of rape and go to jail for it. The 16 year old girl they had sex with is the 'victim' and has society fawning over her. If all you people up on your high and mighty horses want the two boys on the sexual predator's list for life, then the girl also needs to be put on the list for life.

Besides, the 'list' is a farce. Sex is a natural animal instinct practiced by every single living organism on earth. There are a few twisted individuals who overstep the bounds of accepted human decency but far too many are wrongly tattooed with the Scarlet Letter on their foreheads for life. 16 year old kids have hormones raging. All three of them got drunk and fell victim to natural human instinct.


She was unconscious, and the boys bragged about raping her, using the word "rape" numerous times. Please tell me how she did anything to initiate or consent to the sex.
 
2013-03-17 12:02:03 PM

mikaloyd: [i.imgur.com image 850x725]


Awww, the rapist wants his mummy, poor fella.

I'm betting these guys will have their records automatically wiped when either they turn 18 or get out of juvi. Just a harmless childhood prank gone wrong, after all. Just like my cousin who had his record wiped at that age. He's now in on a 50 year sentence for running a B&E ring. His own parents have written the parole board asking he not be released as they don't want to be held responsible by the community. But yeah, just turn these mischievous little tykes loose on the world in a few years.
 
2013-03-17 12:02:09 PM

InfrasonicTom: ELKAY: Wow, a slap on the wrist. And if they'd been dealing drugs they'd have been charged as adults and gotten 20 years. Pathetic. These monsters are actually being given a chance to rejoin society after only one year.

Let's be serious, they are suburban whites.  If they dealt drugs it would have been probation at worst.  They only ended up with the Juvi sentence because of the national spotlight put on the case.


Then its good there was a spotlight. This kind of shiaat went down when I was in HS a 20 years ago and so highly doubt this situation is some kind of anomaly. I hope this case sends a message to entitled assholes and their apologist parents and coaches.
 
2013-03-17 12:02:41 PM

bulldg4life: Quaker: So are you saying that drunk people aren't responsible for their own drunken decisions? Because I don't see how you could apply that logic to sex but not to other decisions like driving drunk or drunkenly assaulting someone.

I'm sure you have a great argument...but it is pointless in a thread where the victim was shown to be completely unconscious.


I haven't really been following this story, so in this context then you're right it's irrelevant. I was just responding to what seems to be an assertion that people aren't responsible for their drunken decisions.
 
2013-03-17 12:02:44 PM
Popular Opinion:

these days it seems kids that do what they want based on whether they think they can get away with it, not on whether it is right or wrong.

I know the rest of your post is a brilliant concern troll, but we need to face some facts here.  This isn't a 'kids these days' situation.  Everyone tries to get away with everything everywhere they can since the dawn of time.

Of course we should also look into the fact that this same 'get away with anything' included witness intimidation by Anonymous . .  .
 
2013-03-17 12:02:53 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: THIS is the pride of Steubenville:

[media.comicvine.com image 300x456]


Don't forget Dean Martin.
*hic*
 
2013-03-17 12:03:15 PM

captainmaxthedestroyer: Perhaps the underage retarded girl who got black-out drunk in an unsafe environment learned her lesson as well?

Probably not.


She was totally asking for it, right?
 
2013-03-17 12:03:40 PM
this is all about some nerd not allowing the football players the pussy they deserve
 
2013-03-17 12:03:44 PM
Lot of Republicans in this thread, I see.

Too bad CPAC is over, these boys would have been a big hit on stage, they are apparently conservative heroes.
 
2013-03-17 12:04:25 PM
Both Mays and the 16-year-old Richmond have been ordered to avoid contact with the victim until they're 21.

That's good. She should be over it by then.
 
2013-03-17 12:04:26 PM

SundaesChild: The My Little Pony Killer: oukewldave: Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?

It honestly doesn't matter if the guys were drunk too. She was drunk, that's all you need for the act to no longer be consensual.

She wasn't just drunk.  She was unconscious for a lot of it.  Hence them calling her "dead."  Sex with an unconscious person is rape, since they can't consent (not even drunkenly).


Yeah. She was raped.

Then on January 1, KnightSec released an extremely disturbing video featuring members of the self-proclaimed "rape crew" from the night of the attack, making jokes about what had happened.

The star of the video, identified as former Steubenville High School baseball player Michael Nodianos, cracks himself up with lines like "She is so raped," and  "They raped her quicker than Mike Tyson!"
When someone else in the video interrupts and asks Nodianos, "What if that was your daughter?" he replies, "But it isn't."


http://www.policymic.com/articles/21878/big-red-football-anonymous-l ea ks-disturbing-video-in-steubenville-rape-case
 
2013-03-17 12:04:31 PM

Popcorn Johnny: Musikslayer: Popcorn Johnny:  drunken, consensual

Oxymoron, dumbass.

Drunk people never have consensual sex? I guess I'm guilty of raping my girlfriend about 237 times.


If by "girlfriend" you mean your "right hand", then I would imgaine you are. Look, you're a farking half-wit internet troll. You get off on being an asshole and pissing off random strangers on the internet. I can't believe someone whose life is so empty that they derive their life's enjoyment through being coonts to random strangers is going to have much, if anything, positive going on in their life. You don't have a girlfriend. You don't have a car. You don't have a home outside of the 8x5 dungeon that your parents have resentfully allowed you to stake out in exchange for not having the most glaring example of their failure breathing heavily through his mouth at the breakfast table. Of course, you'll try to come up with something clever or contrived but will fail and make a deriviative insult that you've read by someone more clever than yourself. That is what's expected. You're a dumb animal and I understand what happens when you provoke a stupid animal, but I'm just glad that we can get this out there. I'm glad that even as you use those giant sausages to pound out another moronic ode to public education and inbred genetics intellect, you realize that there are a lot of people out there that see you for who you are and will not take a moment beyond a quiet chuckle when this cruel isolative existence leads up to the inevitable conclusior of you chewing down a barrel full of buckshot.
 
2013-03-17 12:05:34 PM

Mistymtnhop: Glendale: Popcorn Johnny: How does subby know that justice was served, was he an eyewitness to the events? Fact is innocent people are found guilty and vice versa all the time. Nobody here knows if they're rapists or just kids who got some drunken, consensual pussy.

I don't think it matters because the drunkenness automatically makes it non-consensual by law, or something.

She was sixteen! Drunk or not. Sixteen.


And they were 16 and 17.

Your point?
 
2013-03-17 12:06:11 PM

Quaker: I haven't really been following this story, so in this context then you're right it's irrelevant. I was just responding to what seems to be an assertion that people aren't responsible for their drunken decisions.


Well, obviously. As you mentioned, we have laws that hold people accountable for their actions while drunk. However, we also have a clearly defined limit, too.

But, as I said, you probably don't want to start making that argument in this thread lest people believe you are discussing this case.
 
2013-03-17 12:06:51 PM

oukewldave: Rape is never OK, but do we know this was actually rape?  They say she was drunk, but where the guys drunk too?  If they were, I don't understand how they can be considered rapists, besides the fact they are male and that's how our society is.  Logically, if everyone was equally drunk, they could say she raped both of them...


Nobody likes double standards, but arguing in any way that those boys didn't rape that girl is absurd. Amusingly, I expect they will be passed around a bit without consenting as well. I bet they will consider such activity to be rape after that.
 
2013-03-17 12:07:09 PM
Of course, when these same sorts of assholes terrorize and assault other boys in high school, we tell the other boys to "man up," because assault isn't a crime unless it's against a girl.
 
2013-03-17 12:07:28 PM

InitialCommentGuy: The My Little Pony Killer: InitialCommentGuy: Of course.  Anonymous strikes and forces the hand on a case of digital manipulation while intoxicated.

Truly justice vengeance whining until things take their course then taking credit for great social justice has been served by the Internet community.

fark off and die.  Violently.  In a fire.

/asshole

Sorry kid.  Your actions have little to nothing to do with how the case was resolved.  This is textbook for the guilty verdict as digital penetration (the absolute only thing that was covered for at least one of them) was the only thing captured and confirmed.

Remember: It is always rape.  Always.  Even if you decide to drink, loosen up and screw around with guys over the span of several parties.

Hypnotiq is not a mind control drug.  It is a shiatty liquor.


^This is what a pro-rape sociopath looks like.

/update your farkies, everyone
 
2013-03-17 12:07:46 PM

jaytkay: Lot of Republicans in this thread, I see.

Too bad CPAC is over, these boys would have been a big hit on stage, they are apparently conservative heroes.


Only if they were white and there was a rape baby conceived.
 
2013-03-17 12:07:49 PM

Quaker: Musikslayer: Popcorn Johnny:  drunken, consensual

Oxymoron, dumbass.

So are you saying that drunk people aren't responsible for their own drunken decisions? Because I don't see how you could apply that logic to sex but not to other decisions like driving drunk or drunkenly assaulting someone.


Did you follow the story? It doesn't sound like it.

I don't make the laws. In Ohio (where I live), wasted and unconscious  16 year old girls are off limits. Is it a double standard? Ask the lawmakers, not me.
 
2013-03-17 12:07:57 PM

Whole Wheat: Never in my most drunken days of high school or college would I have imagined this to be alright. Maybe the parents of S-ville should focus less on sports and more on morality.


USA USA USA!
 
2013-03-17 12:08:06 PM
That shiat hole town is so divided on this, I don't see how that girl and her family can keep living there. And when those creeps get out of "Juvie," it won't be hard to avoid each other.
 
2013-03-17 12:08:26 PM

Musikslayer: Popcorn Johnny:  drunken, consensual

Oxymoron, dumbass.


What??
 
2013-03-17 12:09:00 PM

adamgreeney: Trixie212: jaytkay: Trixie212: She got finger banged. What that poor girl in India went through on that bus was brutal.

Cuz if one thing is bad other things can't be bad, too

I didn't say that. In fact, the other part of my post said that she didn't deserve for them to touch her. I still don't believe it qualified as being "brutal".

I imagine it was quite brutal to her. Good god, it is probably the worst thing that will happen to her and will stay with her for life. Just because worse things happen doesn't mean she should have a stiff upper lip and move on.


I have sons and I gave daughters and I've tried to imagine how I would feel if it was any of my kids who were involved in this. My opinion is not going to be popular but I really don't care. Had that been my daughter, I would have held her just as responsible for what happened to her as I would have the guys. I'm not saying that I wouldn't have understood her being hurt and upset and I know she would have had to deal with the consequences for a long time.

But at the end of the day, the consequences began with the choices she made. If this girls' former friends are to be believed, she was a bit of a train wreck. Ideally, she could be a train wreck and affect no one other than herself but we all know that's not the way society works.

The boys will pay the consequences for this all the rest of their days. Rightly so? Maybe. I just think she shares in the responsibility of what happened to her.
 
2013-03-17 12:09:03 PM

skwerl: First of all, I have no knowledge of the case other than what was presented in this one article so my opinion is based on generalities and not this particular case.

I'm bothered that a couple 16 year old boys get drunk and have sex, then get convicted of rape and go to jail for it. The 16 year old girl they had sex with is the 'victim' and has society fawning over her.


It's not that simple.  Read up on the case, it's flat out disgusting what they did to her.
 
2013-03-17 12:09:22 PM

Altitude5280: That shiat hole town is so divided on this, I don't see how that girl and her family can keep living there. And when those creeps get out of "Juvie," it won't be hard to avoid each other.


She lives across the river in West Virginia.
 
2013-03-17 12:09:31 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: THIS is the pride of Steubenville:

[media.comicvine.com image 300x456]


I beg  to differ with you.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-03-17 12:09:36 PM

InitialCommentGuy: If you fail to conduct yourself properly around individuals who have the potential to do you harm then you have placed yourself at great risk. Indeed alcohol and most other popular narcotics are looseners of social inhibitions.

Keep your head straight.

Of course this also occurred without incident or report over multiple parties where she repeated the behavior again, and again and again... But that is inconvenient to the narrative right?


Assigning partial responsibility is done in civil litigation and on Fark.  Criminal trials don't work that way.
 
2013-03-17 12:10:11 PM
Theaetetus:

^This is what a pro-rape sociopath looks like.

/update your farkies, everyone



Oh no! Not Theaetetus!  I mean, I could have accepted such ridiculous barbs from anyone else but not such a pillar of our community.
 
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